CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[HenryJames 65852]

 

[Biff Tannen 45439]

15 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

the problem is that is exactly what many of them want

Hey, something I finally have in common with evangelicals!

[kopp0e 1135]

10 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

well we thought he was going to use the shutdown to actually do something.

we bought him a lot of time, and then he stuffed it all in his pocket with a hole in the bottom.  but yes, let's blame the people who supported not dying.

Basically, it feels as if this current administration looked out for big industry gave $1,200 to the citizens & called it a day... [similar to]:

Now that the economy is hampered, some may need a 2nd $1,200 for fact of lost jobs (during a time with no real plans)... [see above]...

[Bozo_Casanova 26188]

10 hours ago, F250 said:

I saw Rebekah Jones on the news tonight discussing her refusal to cover up data. I've worked with a ton of data scientists and never seen one that looks like she does.

Truth

[Captainant 27250]

Looks like HCQ quackery is leading to shortages for people who take it for lupus and other chronic conditions

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/05/23/hydroxychloroquine-short-supply-lupus-patients-who-need/5245542002/

[Player 4575]

Stockpiles should return to normal once the arrhythmias start kicking in,no?

[HenryJames 65852]

11 hours ago, F250 said:

I saw Rebekah Jones on the news tonight discussing her refusal to cover up data. I've worked with a ton of data scientists and never seen one that looks like she does.

Have you ever worked with any disaster scientists?

[Bozo_Casanova 26188]

12 hours ago, GRHorn said:

I need to say I agreed with the initial shutdown, but I have to admit this is an interesting breakdown of the economic effect of past pandemics compared to what we’re experiencing today. 
 

LIbertarians crack me up.  Take a a self evident factual proposition, divorce from reality, reinsert into idealized hypothetical alternative and voila! A better world. 

No fucking shit the lockdown causes a GDP decline. That's not what a lockdown "does" that's what a lockdown "is". And I discussed that topic extensively in real life terms here. And clearly I was overly optimistic about the 2Q which almost certainly will reflect a GDP decline of greater than 30%, primarily due to the issues around getting stimulus to small business. 

You can't take the lockdown out of the pandemic. The lockdown is a strategy for velocity control that was implemented in the absence of other strategies and a failure of planning and preparedness. Also, the way you consistently use the word "initial" is curious. Other countries had better results with shorter lockdowns and more success. The differences:
1) They locked down earlier

2) They had a consistent, data driven, apolitical message from their leaders

3) They had better buy-in and compliance (see #2 above)

Because here's the thing - you can use the word "initial" to weasel in or out of your point, but the fact is that the GDP decline is not a function of the inception of the lockdown but the scale and length of the lockdown. The better we manage it and the sooner we start, the shorter the lockdown would be and the smaller the decline. 

 

10 hours ago, GRHorn said:

This is such a stupid comment it takes my breath away.* 

Trump was dumb when he called it a hoax. He was also a xenophobe when he halted travel from China.** 

How many people were saying in January that this was an impending disaster? Spoiler: not many. ***

I’ve linked talks here from epidemiologists that said basically given the R0, and time it took to realize it was droplet spread, and Chinese New Year travel, that it was essentially uncontainable. ****

* And yet you continued to type. Impressive. 

** Because criticism is somehow an excuse for inaction? It comes with the job. When did we normalize this idea that it was OK for leaders to whine their way our of accountability?
*** It was in the President's daily briefings over a dozen times in January and February, among many other things. I particularly enjoy this gem:
 

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January 30, 2020: (1) A research paper published by the New England Journal of Medicine confirms the existence of asymptomatic transmission of the coronavirus. (2) Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross says the virus will be good for the U.S. economy in a Fox News interview. (3) Secretary Azar directly warns President Trump that the virus could morph into a pandemic, a warning the president discounts as alarmist. 

**** Again, It was likely uncontainable. But the scale of both suffering and economic damage is a man-made disaster that is a direct result of mismanagement by the federal government. 

[jimmyjazz 45430]

2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

**** Again, It was likely uncontainable. But the scale of both suffering and economic damage is a man-made disaster that is a direct result of mismanagement by the federal government. 

Recent models indicate that the US death toll would have been cut in half had we taken action just two weeks earlier.  Now, I understand that MODELS ARE ALL WRONG but the reality is that scientists do have a reasonable grasp of how this virus spreads, and while a given model might be off to some degree, in general they tend to converge on similar answers and it would be unwise not to consider them.

I mean, the NWS and NOAA may not know if a hurricane crossing the Caribbean is gonna make landfall in Jacksonville or Charleston, but they're pretty good at predicting it should hit somewhere on the southeastern coast.

[RomaVicta 29704]

13 hours ago, Lobo said:

Pos rep on that, and also because it also made me think of Gary Gulman's bit about the documentary film about how we settled on the 2-letter abbreviations for all 50 states decades ago that added uniformity to our postal system.  Which of course is now under attack.  My god, every sick fucking joke in my life is now coming to political fruition.  Does God not realize most of the time, we were just kidding?  

God is a comedien playing to an audience afraid to laugh.

Voltaire

My favorite quote.

[texas08 1599]

2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

despicable fucks

[elfenix 34161]

How is it misleading?

You describe an institute that was founded by people who want to restore the monarchy and is packed full of neo-confederates and dominionists as "libertarian," for one.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RomaVicta 29704]

13 hours ago, GRHorn said:

You can blame Trump for a lot, but the economic disaster in its current state is almost totally due to the initial shutdown that 99% of people supported. 
 

I have a feeling the libertarians at Mises Institute were in the 1% against the initial lockdown but whatever. I question why this article is so upsetting to you. 

The article (the part you hold up) is written from the solitary perspective of economic impact. How could it or you not weigh death and suffering in the appraisal? 

Perhaps the argument can be made that the deaths and suffering are inevitable and are overplayed, but neither you nor the article have the courage to do that.

All I see is an incomplete, oddball argument of no real relevance.

[RDCanecutter 26198]

11 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Holy shit! This is what you guys in Texas are up against.  This is a Bexar County GOP official. Note that she weighs probably 250 .lbs. Note how fat all of the people applauding her are. Doesn't this beg so many questions, like why, if the Coronavirus is a hoax perpetrated by the Democrats,  the Republican governor of Texas shut down the state.

To be fair, in Bexar County everybody is on track to weigh 250+ pounds. The Republicans, Democrats, Monarchists, Libertarians, Muttering PRI Refugees, Relocated Panistas, Sportsos, the Motorheads, Geeks, Sluts, Bloods, Wastoids, Dweebies, Dickheads--- they all weigh 250.

Unless they weigh 450.

[Guest Lobo]

2 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

To be fair, in Bexar County everybody is on track to weigh 250+ pounds. The Republicans, Democrats, Monarchists, Libertarians, Muttering PRI Refugees, Relocated Panistas, Sportsos, the Motorheads, Geeks, Sluts, Bloods, Wastoids, Dweebies, Dickheads--- they all weigh 250.

Unless they weigh 450.

and they think the GOP chair is a righteous dude.  

[Born to Run 6420]

The vast majority of the economic damage thus far is from the initial mandated shutdown. That’s obvious. 

You are dumb or a liar. Shit was shutting itself down before the official shutdown even happened. Festivals, sporting events, schools, SXSW, ski resorts, parks, churches, resturants. People stopped going out.

I remember well as I went from flying for a spring break trip to driving to I won't eat in a restaurant when I go to _welp there is no where to go- in a few weeks time.

That in of itself fucked the economy.
I'm in construction and people stopped wanting workers in thier home before any lockdown. Reasonable fear and halt in luxury spending fucked us especially since we so rely on travel and discretionary spending for so much of the economy.
I knew Texas was fucked back in February absent any lockdown.

[elfenix 34161]

13 hours ago, GRHorn said:

He was also a xenophobe when he halted travel from China. 

fake news made up by trump on both counts.

 

[elfenix 34161]

2 hours ago, kopp0e said:

Basically, it feels as if this current administration looked out for big industry gave $1,200 to the citizens & called it a day

there's no feels as if about it.  that's all they've done. 

 

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

LIbertarians crack me up.  Take a a self evident factual proposition, divorce from reality, reinsert into idealized hypothetical alternative and voila! A better world. 

"praxxers"

[Lurch 5918]

despicable fucks

Some might even say deplorable.

[mdmost 42697]

Every time I think, yeah I'll go get a haircut, something pops up that reminds me just to wait. For instance, the wonderful story that a Great Clips stylist went to work with symptoms and may have spread Covid to 84 people who went through the shop. 

[elfenix 34161]

more travel ban incompetence, explained:

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“To keep new cases from entering our shores,” Trump said in an Oval Office address on March 11, “we will be suspending all travel from Europe to the United States for the next 30 days.”

Across the Atlantic, Jack Siebert, an American college student spending a semester in Spain, was battling raging headaches, shortness of breath and fevers that touched 104 degrees. Concerned about his condition for travel but alarmed by the president’s announcement, his parents scrambled to book a flight home for their son — an impulse shared by thousands of Americans who rushed to get flights out of Europe.

 

Siebert arrived at O’Hare International Airport in Chicago three days later as the new U.S. restrictions — including mandatory medical screenings — went into effect. He encountered crowds of people packed in tight corridors, stood in lines in which he snaked past other travelers for nearly five hours and tried to direct any cough or sneeze into his sleeve.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/one-final-viral-infusion-trumps-move-to-block-travel-from-europe-triggered-chaos-and-a-surge-of-passengers-from-the-outbreaks-center/2020/05/23/64836a00-962b-11ea-82b4-c8db161ff6e5_story.html

[GRHorn 105]

1 hour ago, elfenix said:

You describe an institute that was founded by people who want to restore the monarchy and is packed full of neo-confederates and dominionists as "libertarian," for one.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only place i see mention of Mises Institute and “neo-confederate” is that label being applied to it by the SPLC.  So it must be true. 🙄

 

As far as being founded by Monarchists, not sure how that’s relevant. It’s a mostly libertarian outlet currently. These things change over time. 
 

Planned Parenthood was founded by a eugenicist. Should that cloud people’s perception of that organization now?

[Wanker Bob 379]

15 hours ago, GRHorn said:

I need to say I agreed with the initial shutdown, but I have to admit this is an interesting breakdown of the economic effect of past pandemics compared to what we’re experiencing today. 
 

A couple interesting paragraphs here  

 

The 1918–19 pandemic, which caused an astounding ten times as many deaths per million as the 1957–58 pandemic, also failed to produce economic disaster. Although the US entered the 1918–19 pandemic in poor economic shape thanks to the Great War, according to economists Efraim Benmelech and Carola Frydman,

 

 

In reality, the experience of the 1957–58 pandemic—or even the 1918–19 pandemic—gives us no reason to believe that joblessness should be increasing at unprecedented rates and that GDP would collapse by catastrophic levels. In a modern industrialized economy, that sort of economic damage is only achievable through government intervention, such as socialist coups, wars, and forced economic shutdowns in the name of combating disease.

Stop posting propaganda bullshit by right-wing garbage sites. This one being based out of Alabama and funded by Ron Paul. There's 0 scientific method protocol being followed by these garbage websites trying to pass themselves off as legit research.

Pretty please with a fucking cherry on top. Stop posting that shit you scumbag cunt. 

Seriously, whoever is moderating this shit... How is posting obvious propaganda from politically funded "research" sites not get a month ban?

Edited May 23, 2020 by Wanker Bob

[elfenix 34161]

52 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

The only place i see mention of Mises Institute and “neo-confederate” is that label being applied to it by the SPLC.  So it must be true. 🙄

 

thomas dilorenzo and lew rockwell say hi

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As far as being founded by Monarchists, not sure how that’s relevant. It’s a mostly libertarian outlet currently. These things change over time.

hans herman hoppe and leland yeagar say hi

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Planned Parenthood was founded by a eugenicist. Should that cloud people’s perception of that organization now?

then she can hang out with hans

 

the purpose of the mises institute is to provide shoddy intellectual cover for the re-establishment of the confederacy as an apartheid state (walter block and murray rothbard say hi) within the US through weakening of the institutions of the US government.  there's a reason they stuck it in alabama right next to auburn u. the reestablishment of the confederacy shows that democracy sucks so we need monarchy so assholes like mises and hayek and hapsburg can get their noble titles back (FDR told them to fuck right off when they wanted to re-establish the austrian empire as part of the peace following WWII). 

 

Edited May 23, 2020 by elfenix

[GRHorn 105]

36 minutes ago, Wanker Bob said:

Stop posting propaganda bullshit by right-wing garbage sites. This one being based out of Alabama and funded by Ron Paul. There's 0 scientific method protocol being followed by these garbage websites trying to pass themselves off as legit research.

Pretty please with a fucking cherry on top. Stop posting that shit you scumbag cunt. 

Seriously, whoever is moderating this shit... How is posting obvious propaganda from politically funded "research" sites not get a month ban?

Who the hell do you think you are, Wanker?  A non poster for years, now hyperactive, calling for moderation of posters you don’t like? GTFOH. 
 

I found the facts around GDP declines and death rates in past pandemics interesting. You can disagree with the conclusions they form from looking at the data. I’m not sure I agree with them totally myself. But calling it propaganda that is worthy of moderation and banning is just so pathetic.  
 

There were some thoughtful critiques that I will come back to later this weekend if i can. It’s Memorial Day Weekend and a friend is coming over with his kids to swim and hang out.

Hope everyone here has a great weekend. 
 

1 hour ago, elfenix said:

thomas dilorenzo and lew rockwell say hi

hans herman hoppe and leland yeagar say hi

then she can hang out with hans

 

the purpose of the mises institute is to provide shoddy intellectual cover for the re-establishment of the confederacy as an apartheid state (walter block and murray rothbard say hi) within the US through weakening of the institutions of the US government.  there's a reason they stuck it in alabama right next to auburn u.

 

 

[henrygandorf 29169]

6 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

It’s a good thing states are on their own without a federal plan or resources. I’m sure we can trust the tracing efforts in Mississippi and Alabama to handle events like this 

contact tracing for some of these towns must be...interesting.  i would say entertaining, but i'm not quite there yet. 

i just envision a bunch of tracers and doctors doing the math, working the wipe board, and being like, "ok, here's another positive, and she went to...yep, great clips, god dammit, this stylist is like the monkey from fucking outbreak.  put it on the board, susan."

[elfenix 34161]

 

I can lead you to water but I can't make you think.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

 

[safe sex 11628]

Just had my first test done at a City of Austin drive-through site a couple of hours. I've performed the test plenty of times on people and had an idea of how shitty it felt, but even that didn't prepare me for just how shitty it feels. Would not recommend for recreation. Waiting to receive a call from my hospital's Occupational Health department to schedule my second test. Just to note: it was 100x easier to get a test through the City than it was through my hospital. The second test will have to be no earlier than tomorrow at 11:30am. I'm less fatigued than I have been, but I also zonked myself out last night. Still breathing okay and fever is down to 99.6F which, while technically not a fever, is about two degrees higher than I usually run.

In a cruel twist of irony, the 3M half-face respirator with N100 filters that I was finally able to order for myself arrived this morning. Not that I would be ~allowed to wear it outside of AGPs.

[elfenix 34161]

it'd be like finding out yamamoto's battle plan in early summer of 1941, watching it happen, claiming it would all die down, claiming that further strikes on guam, wake, the phillipines, the aleutians, etc., were fake news and that it would all die down like a miracle, watching indonesia and australia get overrun, complaining that that's a hoax, and then demanding of the governors of california, oregon, and washington that west coast ports open as japanese gunboats steam just offshore, all while denying their requests for guns, shells, and men for shore batteries. 

Edited May 23, 2020 by elfenix

[HenryJames 65852]

5 minutes ago, trauma babe said:

Just had my first test done at a City of Austin drive-through site a couple of hours. I've performed the test plenty of times on people and had an idea of how shitty it felt, but even that didn't prepare me for just how shitty it feels. Would not recommend for recreation. Waiting to receive a call from my hospital's Occupational Health department to schedule my second test. Just to note: it was 100x easier to get a test through the City than it was through my hospital. The second test will have to be no earlier than tomorrow at 11:30am. I'm less fatigued than I have been, but I also zonked myself out last night. Still breathing okay and fever is down to 99.6F which, while technically not a fever, is about two degrees higher than I usually run.

In a cruel twist of irony, the 3M half-face respirator with N100 filters that I was finally able to order for myself arrived this morning. Not that I would be ~allowed to wear it outside of AGPs.

Do you have a pulse oximeter?

[henrygandorf 29169]

4 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

*** It was in the President's daily briefings over a dozen times in January and February, among many other things. I particularly enjoy this gem:

there's a lot to like in this long, and extraordinarily accurate post.  but i'm gonna pull this quote, because it drives me the most insane.

if you get into an argument with your friend or your wife or your sibling or parent, you can absolutely use the "well i didn't know about it either", to varying levels of success, even if it's not true.  it's a handy and effective excuse, and i've used it a number of times.  i would expect it a little less from local government.  almost never from state government, and zero times from the president.

for a guy who acts like a king or a dictator, and proclaims he has total authority, he can't even pretend to be all-knowing, even when he actually claims to be "all-knowing".  anybody in his position should have the harry truman "the buck stops here" as a motivational poster behind the resolute desk, even if it's just decoration.  even when your intel fails, and your soldiers miss important information, you still lie and take responsibility.  that's the job.  being the boss means when it's your fault, you take responsibility, and when it's not your fault, you take responsibility.  yes, i'm quite certain that i've read that somewhere once.

gun to my head, i think he didn't really know or realize the seriousness of the threat, and here's why.  first off, yes, i realize to a certain extent, i'm "letting him off the hook" but it's not that simple.  i think he didn't know about it because (a) he doesn't read important daily briefings, (b) he replaced the people in charge of bringing that shit to his attention, and (c) he replaced the people that grab him, shake him, and say "hey dude, we need to move on this". 

he's the president.  he's only one man.  watching a couple west wing reruns tells me that even working an 18-20 hour day doesn't give you enough time to be properly briefed and educated on everything you need to know about.  so you hire good people, and you pay attention.  he has failed spectacularly with both tasks.  instead he spends his day learning as much as possible about his favorite subject - himself.  he watches tv and he tweets.  i do believe he never sleeps.  i do believe he's always "working".  but "working" to him is tuning in to all the cable news shows and bitching about them to his advisers, his cabinet, and his twitter followers.

so in short (too late), i don't believe he's acted this way out of some sort of bond-villain mustache-twirling menacing laughter need to be evil.  i don't think he knew, and then decided not to act, in order to save the economy or send people to their death.  i think he did what he does best - he ignored all warning signs and intel, and hoped for the best, because for citizens like donald trump, "things usually just work out". 

unfortunately for us, for presidents like donald trump, sometimes they have to actually be the president.  and he fucking sucks at doing that, because he never bothered to learn how. 

[jimmyjazz 45430]

38 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

contact tracing for some of these towns must be...interesting.  i would say entertaining, but i'm not quite there yet. 

i just envision a bunch of tracers and doctors doing the math, working the wipe board, and being like, "ok, here's another positive, and she went to...yep, great clips, god dammit, this stylist is like the monkey from fucking outbreak.  put it on the board, susan."

I grew up a little northeast of there, right up I-44.  It's Trump country.  Ignorance and fear rule the day.  I cannot begin to tell you just how utterly infuriating it is to deal with that demographic.

"Winter's Bone" is accurate, but it focuses on the poor rural trash.  A city like Springfield, which is like a larger Waco, is equally trashy, but with all the modern conveniences like Panera and Home Depot.

I will never go back.  Stupid is contagious and that part of the country is almost fully infected.

[safe sex 11628]

11 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Do you have a pulse oximeter?

On its way

[TheRealRonWeaver? 1258]

Holy shit! This is what you guys in Texas are up against.  This is a Bexar County GOP official. Note that she weighs probably 250 .lbs. Note how fat all of the people applauding her are. Doesn't this beg so many questions, like why, if the Coronavirus is a hoax perpetrated by the Democrats,  the Republican governor of Texas shut down the state. 

 

 

 

 

Beto won nearly 60% of Bexar County in 2018. 

 

 

Edgar Baez sighting!

 

[Anastasis 23329]

3 hours ago, Wanker Bob said:

Seriously, whoever is moderating this shit... How is posting obvious propaganda from politically funded "research" sites not get a month ban?

If you are going to start banning people who post political propaganda on this subforum, there will be blood in the streets.  

 

But if we are going down that path, please start with Hugo. 

[wildcat09 29146]

2 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

contact tracing for some of these towns must be...interesting.  i would say entertaining, but i'm not quite there yet. 

i just envision a bunch of tracers and doctors doing the math, working the wipe board, and being like, "ok, here's another positive, and she went to...yep, great clips, god dammit, this stylist is like the monkey from fucking outbreak.  put it on the board, susan."

The bitch of it has got to be calling up the people who saw the stylist, asking them who’ve they’ve been in contact with since, and having them scream at you that they’re not gonna let the jew world order march them off to death camps and hang up on you.

[lemonlime 5503]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

 

so in short (too late), i don't believe he's acted this way out of some sort of bond-villain mustache-twirling menacing laughter need to be evil.  i don't think he knew, and then decided not to act, in order to save the economy or send people to their death.  i think he did what he does best - he ignored all warning signs and intel, and hoped for the best, because for citizens like donald trump, "things usually just work out". 

 

He can't comprehend of anything being a threat, unless it's a threat to him personally.  The death of 100,000 people, even 100 million people, is meaningless to him.  Unless he can somehow understand that his own life is at risk.

[pyrohornIII 4783]

13 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

He can't comprehend of anything being a threat, unless it's a threat to him personally.  The death of 100,000 people, even 100 million people, is meaningless to him.  Unless he can somehow understand that his own life, ratings or money is at risk.

fify, and i am not sure they are in order of importance to him.   I actually think ratings is number one, the money he uses to get the ratings.  Ratings are his life. 

[Message Board User 12388]

 

[washparkhorn 9931]

41 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The bitch of it has got to be calling up the people who saw the stylist, asking them who’ve they’ve been in contact with since, and having them scream at you . . .  

Those recent phone updates rolling out do away or greatly mitigate the problem you describe. When they find out, they will be pissed but no real need for phone calls other than to tell someone they are to quarantine. 

[4th&Five 41444]

[Longhorn_Fan68 33779]

1/100th of a democratic hoax

[Message Board User 12388]

 

[Message Board User 12388]

 

[Foosters 17688]

3 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

  i would say entertaining, but i'm not quite there yet. 

Come on in, the water's fine.

[Bullneck 18959]

5 hours ago, elfenix said:

thomas dilorenzo and lew rockwell say hi

hans herman hoppe and leland yeagar say hi

then she can hang out with hans

 

the purpose of the mises institute is to provide shoddy intellectual cover for the re-establishment of the confederacy as an apartheid state (walter block and murray rothbard say hi) within the US through weakening of the institutions of the US government.  there's a reason they stuck it in alabama right next to auburn u. the reestablishment of the confederacy shows that democracy sucks so we need monarchy so assholes like mises and hayek and hapsburg can get their noble titles back (FDR told them to fuck right off when they wanted to re-establish the austrian empire as part of the peace following WWII). 

 

Those people belong in Douchebag Central: A Place To Say "Hi."

[Bullneck 18959]

4 hours ago, GRHorn said:

Who the hell do you think you are, Wanker?  A non poster for years, now hyperactive, calling for moderation of posters you don’t like? GTFOH. 
 

I found the facts around GDP declines and death rates in past pandemics interesting. You can disagree with the conclusions they form from looking at the data. I’m not sure I agree with them totally myself. But calling it propaganda that is worthy of moderation and banning is just so pathetic.  
 

There were some thoughtful critiques that I will come back to later this weekend if i can. It’s Memorial Day Weekend and a friend is coming over with his kids to swim and hang out.

Hope everyone here has a great weekend. 
 

 

Well, you don't post anything of value, so you're welcome to leave and not come back.  

[Chuckie Finster 22571]

Reading the replies to this... we’re so fucked.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33779]

9 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

 

Reading the replies to this... we’re so fucked.

if those put you off you must not spend much time on twitter