CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Hiphopopotamos 20889]

Anybody posted this beaut of a tweet yet?

The founding fathers were bled with leeches and had no fucking clue what a ‘pre-existing condition’ was. 

Edited June 25, 2020 by Hiphopopotamos

[skeeter 454]

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

19 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

No words.  People are fucking stupid.

https://www.ftbagency.com

 

 

 

 

And they have a PDF you can print out so you can have your very own card exempting you from ever wearing a mask.  They also have state by state PDF's so you can shove it in the face of a jackbooted government official, or the barista at Starbucks when you are asked to wear a mask:

 

 

 

 

 

 

That looks Russian.

[JimmyJames 12271]

5 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

@Onboard 2.0 and others need a safe space so they aren't being constantly reminded that this is partly their fault.

That dude went in his bunker like his bunker bitch hero.

[elfenix 34339]

Catalina was mind-boggling last weekend.  75% weren't wearing masks.  And they had been Gestapo up until recently.  In fact completely shut down to non-residents.  But I couldn't believe the lack of mask wearing.
We rented the top floor and top deck of The London a couple of years ago for our company Christmas party.  That top deck is legit.

Tapa

[Macanudo 13018]

Question on spreaders.  Just found out that a friend of a family member's threw a party.  The party thrower KNEW they had Covid (positive test) and were still within the window for spreading. 

Is that a criminal act?  Knowing you can pass on a potentially lethal virus?  Is there any recourse?

Family member was not at the party but lives with someone who was.  Family member then spent time around 8-10 other members of my family before we knew about the spreader.  Family member did not know about the spreader until after the event.  I dont blame the family member, I blame the person who knew they were positive and partied.

Can I fuck this person's world up? Because I feel like i should be able to.

[Sbbruin 21899]

5 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

The party thrower KNEW they had Covid (positive test) and were still within the window for spreading. 

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26580]

45 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Anybody posted this beaut of a tweet yet?

The founding fathers were bled with leeches and had no fucking clue what a ‘pre-existing condition’ was. 

Ratio’d so hard

[softlynow 1840]

11 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Question on spreaders.  Just found out that a friend of a family member's threw a party.  The party thrower KNEW they had Covid (positive test) and were still within the window for spreading. 

Is that a criminal act?  Knowing you can pass on a potentially lethal virus?  Is there any recourse?

Family member was not at the party but lives with someone who was.  Family member then spent time around 8-10 other members of my family before we knew about the spreader.  Family member did not know about the spreader until after the event.  I dont blame the family member, I blame the person who knew they were positive and partied.

Can I fuck this person's world up? Because I feel like i should be able to.

If I’m on your jury, you got no worries. 

[BradInATX 9208]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

I agree with what everyone here is saying about states opening too early, and probably it’s been politics driven. However there could have been a bigger motivator for the “early openers” that isn’t being discussed.

 

There are likely carefully guarded studies down in the bowels of our government showing economic projections of a Great Depression worse than the 1930’s unless we quickly get the economy re-started again. How quick? Hard to say. No one’s talking.

 

No one in Federal or State government can come right out and say that was the driver for opening too early because it would then become a self-fulfilling prophecy. So instead they have to look stupid in front of their constituents.

 

If this logic is true, and good lord I hope it’s not, then a bad second wave could mean we are headed into a very bad place economically but no one has been given visibility into that yet for obvious reasons.

 

Merry Xmas!

 

All true. Here's what's really disheartening to me:

 

See that from day about 20 to about day 90 where we bent the curve downward quite a bit? That cost us a sacrifice of trillions and trillions of dollars in the economy. 10 days later, all of that progress that cost us trillions?

 

 

 

 

[conVINCEd 21470]

30 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Question on spreaders.  Just found out that a friend of a family member's threw a party.  The party thrower KNEW they had Covid (positive test) and were still within the window for spreading. 

Is that a criminal act?  Knowing you can pass on a potentially lethal virus?  Is there any recourse?

Family member was not at the party but lives with someone who was.  Family member then spent time around 8-10 other members of my family before we knew about the spreader.  Family member did not know about the spreader until after the event.  I dont blame the family member, I blame the person who knew they were positive and partied.

Can I fuck this person's world up? Because I feel like i should be able to.

You can sue someone for knowingly passing on a sexually transmitted disease.  I believe there is also some criminal liability as well.  Not a lawyer.  I don’t see why this would be all that different.

[washparkhorn 9939]

31 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Question on spreaders.  Just found out that a friend of a family member's threw a party.  The party thrower KNEW they had Covid (positive test) and were still within the window for spreading. 

Is that a criminal act?  Knowing you can pass on a potentially lethal virus?  Is there any recourse?

Family member was not at the party but lives with someone who was.  Family member then spent time around 8-10 other members of my family before we knew about the spreader.  Family member did not know about the spreader until after the event.  I dont blame the family member, I blame the person who knew they were positive and partied.

Can I fuck this person's world up? Because I feel like i should be able to.

According to the March 24, 2020 DOJ memo on crimes under Covid-19, YES under terrorism laws for use of biological agents. From https://www.justice.gov/file/1262771:

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Second, you may encounter criminal activity ranging from malicious hoaxes, to threats targeting specific individuals or the general public, to the purposeful exposure and infection of others with COVID-19. Because coronavirus appears to meet the statutory definition of a "biological agent" under 18 U.S.C. § 178(1), such acts potentially could implicate the Nation's terrorism-related statutes. See, e.g., id. § 175 (development/possession of a biological agent for use as a weapon); id. § 875 (threats by wire); id. § 876 (threats by mail); id. § 1038 (false information and hoaxes regarding biological weapons); id. § 2332a (use o f a weapon involving a biological agent). Threats or attempts to use COVID-19 as a weapon against Americans will not be tolerated.

 

[staboner 4988]

extreme shortsightedness is at the core. not to be confused with extreme watchfulness

 

[DanTheHorn 4968]

5 hours ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

 

What about people that fuck sheep. Are they always aggies?

[Dnaguy 12106]

11 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:

What about people that fuck sheep. Are they always aggies aggys?

fify

 

And yes. The answer is yes.

Edited June 26, 2020 by Dnaguy

[LABEVO 928]

 

[TXSG8R 3362]

1 minute ago, LABEVO said:

 

That might make sense for deaths, I don't really see how it correlates to # of cases.  Spread (especially at this point) is more about culture and lack of discipline than a health care system.  

[DDD Dad 14355]

[4th&Five 41602]

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Bout damn time. By banishing the Task Force, the QAnon conspiracy theorists have filled the vacuum and the South ran amok. This evening while I was cooking, I heard on NPR that Georgia isn't planning on restricting much of anything.

#ScarfPatrol

#Dr.FauciGonnaBeGrouchy

Considering that most of the medical staff were at the hearing, this could be interesting in the Q & A.

[Skyline 325]

From Pro Publica: 

The percent testing will dip in Texas once these sites close though. 

[4th&Five 41602]

Interesting thread on how deaths may be lagging because it’s younger people getting it. 

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

9 minutes ago, Skyline said:

From Pro Publica: 

The percent testing will dip in Texas once these sites close though. 

And some people say "and just like that, the virus will disappear."

Edited June 26, 2020 by Mrs Whiggins
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[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

2 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Interesting thread on how deaths may be lagging because it’s younger people getting it. 

 

Thanks for posting that. He was suggesting with the Iran example that it stretched the deaths to 3-4 weeks and that makes some sense as the young people don't exist in a vacuum. I've switched to one particular grocery store because a closer one has a younger customer base and I have noticed the mask usage was poor. Shopping in groups, no masks, no distancing, and so on my end: none of my money. I didn't want to 'Karen' and talk to the manager, but realistically it's why I won't shop there. If they won't require masks and the customers aren't going to wear them voluntarily, then why would I want to go? I'm not interested in getting sick.

[Bama Chick 28596]

Good thread from a former insurance executive explaining the lies the insurance companies tell about the Canadian health care system and how it relates to CV-19.

[cactusflinthead 27607]

 

[hookem2010 2625]

Member how Washington state was hit hard at the beginning and had that really shitty nursing home situation? And how Trump has attacked Inslee for being incompetent? And how, despite being basically ground zero for Covid in he US, Washington state is solidly in the bottom half of cases and deaths per capita, despite them being the canary in the coal mine for the rest of the god damn country? Jesus christ, it feels like Trump has been president my entire adulthood and I'm 32 fucking years old.

[Bozo_Casanova 26580]

@ChiTownDoc and @Anastasis 

My older daughter and I need to get an antibody test. Is there a way to tell that I’m getting the test for this specific Coronavirus?

[NameAlreadyInUse 5131]

4 hours ago, Macanudo said:

Question on spreaders.  Just found out that a friend of a family member's threw a party.  The party thrower KNEW they had Covid (positive test) and were still within the window for spreading. 

Is that a criminal act?  Knowing you can pass on a potentially lethal virus?  Is there any recourse?

Family member was not at the party but lives with someone who was.  Family member then spent time around 8-10 other members of my family before we knew about the spreader.  Family member did not know about the spreader until after the event.  I dont blame the family member, I blame the person who knew they were positive and partied.

Can I fuck this person's world up? Because I feel like i should be able to.

You should blame the family member as well though. No one should be going to parties right now for this very reason. 

[ChiTownDoc 21175]

8 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

@ChiTownDoc and @Anastasis 

My older daughter and I need to get an antibody test. Is there a way to tell that I’m getting the test for this specific Coronavirus?

They all ‘should’.  But to be safe go to a major academic place or Quest/LabCorp.  

[Anastasis 23490]

6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

@ChiTownDoc and @Anastasis 

My older daughter and I need to get an antibody test. Is there a way to tell that I’m getting the test for this specific Coronavirus?

I assume that the antibody tests being used discriminate well between the novel corona virus versus the shit that causes the common cold and other corona viruses.  Has anyone see information that suggests otherwise? 

[triplehorn 2664]

Just read this lay article on covid19 Ab tests.  It's vexing.

Gold-standard review does 'not support the roll out of coronavirus antibody tests'

 

 

[ChiTownDoc 21175]

1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

Good thread from a former insurance executive explaining the lies the insurance companies tell about the Canadian health care system and how it relates to CV-19.

 

So many people in healthcare shit on Medicare.  I don’t get it.  Well I do...the propaganda works.  M4A would be fine.  

Even many doctors think it’s some bogeyman.  I think AMA finally supported M4A...well they left a lobbyist group against it.  That’s a big step.  

I’m only worried about the administration and abuse but there’s both of those things with the assholes in private insurance too, so that can’t be the roadblock if we are being honest.  

[ChiTownDoc 21175]

6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I assume that the antibody tests being used discriminate well between the novel corona virus versus the shit that causes the common cold and other corona viruses.  Has anyone see information that suggests otherwise? 

They’re all supposed to, yes.  But many are too sensitive to many coronaviruses and just as many seem to be lacking any sensitivity.  That’s why we are hardly relying on those - very disappointing.  

[ChiTownDoc 21175]

7 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

Just read this lay article on covid19 Ab tests.  It's vexing.

Gold-standard review does 'not support the roll out of coronavirus antibody tests'

 

 

Overall I don’t have an issue with this article but this type of shit drives me insane:  

‘Experts have warned, however, the coronavirus is novel. It is therefore unclear how long immunity lasts or even if it exists at all.’

Just STFU, to act like NO immunity might exist is dumber than buttchugging bleach to cure the virus.  At least that will potentially kill you AND the virus.  

[Macanudo 13018]

14 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

You should blame the family member as well though. No one should be going to parties right now for this very reason. 

Ok, let's spell this out...

College age family member.  Their apartment mate went to a party.  Apartment Mate finds out Party Thrower was tested positive for Covid but still had the party.  College age family member was NOT at the party but is now exposed because Party Thrower had the party even though they knew they were positive.  College age family member did not attend.  Only found out AFTER the fact. 

[triplehorn 2664]

6 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Overall I don’t have an issue with this article but this type of shit drives me insane:  

‘Experts have warned, however, the coronavirus is novel. It is therefore unclear how long immunity lasts or even if it exists at all.’

Just STFU, to act like NO immunity might exist is dumber than buttchugging bleach to cure the virus.  At least that will potentially kill you AND the virus.  

It's more relatable when read with a Geordie Brit accent.

[Anastasis 23490]

14 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Just STFU, to act like NO immunity might exist is dumber than buttchugging bleach to cure the virus.

Yeah, I don't get this either. We have nearly 10 million cases of infection, and people making lots of scare porn based on n of one anecdotal reports and cases, whether that relates to re-infection or lung transplants or whatever. 

Edited June 26, 2020 by Anastasis

[StruggleBus 3922]

15 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Ok, let's spell this out...

College age family member.  Their apartment mate went to a party.  Apartment Mate finds out Party Thrower was tested positive for Covid but still had the party.  College age family member was NOT at the party but is now exposed because Party Thrower had the party even though they knew they were positive.  College age family member did not attend.  Only found out AFTER the fact. 

Sue now and let the lawyers figure it out 

[Bozo_Casanova 26580]

21 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Overall I don’t have an issue with this article but this type of shit drives me insane:  

‘Experts have warned, however, the coronavirus is novel. It is therefore unclear how long immunity lasts or even if it exists at all.’

Just STFU, to act like NO immunity might exist is dumber than buttchugging bleach to cure the virus.  At least that will potentially kill you AND the virus.  

But I can still buttchug wine, right? Or hang out with people who do, provided that masks are worn and social distance is observed?

36 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

They all ‘should’.  But to be safe go to a major academic place or Quest/LabCorp.  

Good advice 

34 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I assume that the antibody tests being used discriminate well between the novel corona virus versus the shit that causes the common cold and other corona viruses.  Has anyone see information that suggests otherwise? 

I had heard that a bunch of the tests on offer did not.

[Anastasis 23490]

5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I had heard that a bunch of the tests on offer did not.

Go to quest or labcorp as suggested, and don't trust the result one way or the other. Any fever or strongly suggestive symptom should be treated as covid and isolated until ruled out imo.

[Anastasis 23490]

8 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

But I can still buttchug wine, right?

[WBT 20675]

44 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Overall I don’t have an issue with this article but this type of shit drives me insane:  

‘Experts have warned, however, the coronavirus is novel. It is therefore unclear how long immunity lasts or even if it exists at all.’

Just STFU, to act like NO immunity might exist is dumber than buttchugging bleach to cure the virus.  At least that will potentially kill you AND the virus.  

 

29 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Yeah, I don't get this either. We have nearly 10 million cases of infection, and people making lots of scare porn based on n of one anecdotal reports and cases, whether that relates to re-infection or lung transplants or whatever. 

Fucking this.  Once a week there's an article about how this one guy caught it twice and OMG it's the apocalypse!11!1

[Bama Chick 28596]

Here’s my concern about “immunity” -

Common cold coronaviruses don’t offer lifetime immunity. Getting the common cold once doesn’t make one immune to common colds for the rest of their lives.

Same with the flu.

Some viruses do confer lifetime immunity as it were - chicken pox, measles etc.

Why are we sure that coronavirus falls into the “lifetime immunity” bucket and not the cold and flu bucket?

[NameAlreadyInUse 5131]

1 hour ago, Macanudo said:

Ok, let's spell this out...

College age family member.  Their apartment mate went to a party.  Apartment Mate finds out Party Thrower was tested positive for Covid but still had the party.  College age family member was NOT at the party but is now exposed because Party Thrower had the party even though they knew they were positive.  College age family member did not attend.  Only found out AFTER the fact. 

Ok yes you shouldn’t blame the family member. Sorry, long day and I fucked up the storyline in my head. 

[!!!HOTDOGS!!! 31]

It seems we're finding out that immunity is fairly short lived. It's been suggested before and I read a couple articles this weekend that suggest immunity for asymptomatic cases is 2-3 weeks, and 2-3 months for symptomatic cases.

[gmr548 16617]

Here’s my concern about “immunity” -

Common cold coronaviruses don’t offer lifetime immunity. Getting the common cold once doesn’t make one immune to common colds for the rest of their lives.

Same with the flu.

Some viruses do confer lifetime immunity as it were - chicken pox, measles etc.

Why are we sure that coronavirus falls into the “lifetime immunity” bucket and not the cold and flu bucket?

We don't. My bet is this becomes endemic unless a vaccine that makes that happen is actually developed. We could just be looking at flu and covid season, get your flu and covid shots, hide your olds,
etc.

[StruggleBus 3922]

42 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Here’s my concern about “immunity” -

Common cold coronaviruses don’t offer lifetime immunity. Getting the common cold once doesn’t make one immune to common colds for the rest of their lives.

Same with the flu.

Some viruses do confer lifetime immunity as it were - chicken pox, measles etc.

Why are we sure that coronavirus falls into the “lifetime immunity” bucket and not the cold and flu bucket?

Who in the hell has said there will be lifetime immunity? In fact, pretty much everyone has said the opposite... that immunity will be short term. How long remains to be seen.

[NWBuck 8588]

3 hours ago, hookem2010 said:

Member how Washington state was hit hard at the beginning and had that really shitty nursing home situation? And how Trump has attacked Inslee for being incompetent? And how, despite being basically ground zero for Covid in he US, Washington state is solidly in the bottom half of cases and deaths per capita, despite them being the canary in the coal mine for the rest of the god damn country? Jesus christ, it feels like Trump has been president my entire adulthood and I'm 32 fucking years old.

Well, we still have had a few shitty nursing home situations in the Seattle area... one of which is run by a (you're never going to believe this) conservative evangelical organization.

Otherwise, we are doing pretty well as a state... well, except for that area on the eastern side of the state, where the voters are conservative and there are lots of agricultural workers who didn't have great health care and who were all deemed "essential" (read as "come to work or lose your job- and did we mention we have INS on speed dial?").

Edited June 26, 2020 by NWBuck

[Bama Chick 28596]

Who in the hell has said there will be lifetime immunity? In fact, pretty much everyone has said the opposite... that immunity will be short term. How long remains to be seen.

I’ve seen lots of people brush it off with a “Everyone should just go ahead and get infected so they can be immune and we can achieve herd immunity and then we can be done with it”.

I may be reading between the lines but that attitude implies they think once that happens then society will be done with it .

I just think a lot of low informed people or people in deliberate denial hear “immunity” and “herd immunity” and assume it’s a one and done.

And I think that misconception is driving a lot of these dumb behaviors we’re all bitching about.