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  On 6/27/2020 at 1:30 AM, Sawbonz said:

The studies I saw on the original SARS virus on a quick pubmed search showed protective levels of antibodies out to 3 years in SARS recovered patients. I didn’t see any that looked out further. 

One thing I saw about the common cold coronaviruses is that the first thing they do when they establish a beachhead in the lungs is knock out all the T cells. The T cells are the immune system’s long term memory, so if none are around when the battle with the virus is on, you can’t build long term immunity. I did read about a study on covid 19 that did find T cells activated against it, so that’s somewhat encouraging.  

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People who know way more about this than I do thought it would be around 12-18 months immunity on an educated guess.  They didn't see over 2 years as very realistic - so by the time enough people get it after a couple years you'd have a hell of a time getting  herd immunity.  We really need the vaccine.  Not to say it's the only way out but it's, no doubt, the easiest...barring the virus burning itself out with mutations etc.  

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  On 6/27/2020 at 12:12 AM, Wanker Bob said:

You can't wear a mask while working out on anything that gives a heart rate increase. That's why opening gyms was so damn stupid. I'm in relatively good shape and can fly up 4-5 flights of stairs like nothing without breathing any harder at all. When this first started I tried to go up 3 flights of stairs but kept the mask on and I thought I was going to pass out. Felt like I just ran a mile at 10000 ft and couldn't get my wind back for a bit

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get tested.  You likely have it dude.

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  On 6/27/2020 at 12:58 AM, NAVY said:

Folks fancy themselves badasses whilst arguing on the intertrons. They get an addicting endorphin rush regardless of the stupidity of their position. The fight matters more than the the substance. 

Shaming the idiots hasn’t worked but to drive them together. Consequence is Amplified echo chambers for every imaginable type of hate. 

We have Technology driven modern day Tower of Babel. No real communication between factions... just grunting, clicks and whistles 

not sure the answer but free speech isn’t working in the current form 

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yeah man, i don't know what to do.

Maybe some kind of regulation on how debates and political adds are distributed? UK has some regs with this in mind to some extent. Time based, which makes sense. Its absurd that we create a POTUS hate machine election fuckall for 2 whole years within a 4 year term. On the other end I guess just listening to people outside of your experience is one place to start. In person, with a mask on of course. 

In the positive side of the pandemic - I think everyone is getting a crash course in turning our empathy up. I can see it in my family that is "the other side". So thats good. Something has to give. It can't march on. We need a society that tries to understand we are not as divided as it seems. We are just people who eat sleep and shit and want to be safe, have opportunity, and are all afraid of the great unknown. Everything else is just a construct that doesn't mean much.

PUFF PUFF GIVE 

Ya'll be good. No nuke Friday is on the menu tonight 

 

 

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  On 6/27/2020 at 12:44 AM, ChiTownDoc said:

I love this shit.  They're going national to advertise and get dollars.  And it makes very happy to throw a nice $20 towards those efforts.  Fuck MoscowBitch.  I wish the LincolnProject went after Trump's band of shitheads too.  Get Lindsey the fuck out too. 

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Mad dog PAC was doing work against Moscow Mitch and others but seems that they have pivoted a bit. 

I donated a few hundred during primary season to them.

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  On 6/27/2020 at 2:02 AM, ChiTownDoc said:

People who know way more about this than I do thought it would be around 12-18 months immunity on an educated guess.  They didn't see over 2 years as very realistic - so by the time enough people get it after a couple years you'd have a hell of a time getting  herd immunity.  We really need the vaccine.  Not to say it's the only way out but it's, no doubt, the easiest...barring the virus burning itself out with mutations etc.  

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If it’s activating a T cell response you should get more than 2 years. What are they basing the 12-18 months on?

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  On 6/27/2020 at 2:25 AM, Wanker Bob said:

That was back in March/April when I first started wearing these masks. I learned the hard way to take it off before hitting the stairs. 

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Last Friday I climbed well over a vertical mile and a quarter.  Probably would have passed out and rolled down backwards wearing a mask.  At the barest minimum, do not want to get my lungs fucked up by this bug.  

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  On 6/27/2020 at 2:50 AM, Sawbonz said:

If it’s activating a T cell response you should get more than 2 years. What are they basing the 12-18 months on?

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This was not a sit down convo and nothing was shared as far as studies.  The 2 were from U of C but they know their stuff and this was well over a month ago.  At the time the conversation was like a 'flu' in that it would change and come around each season.  So you'd get immunity and then there would be enough of a change that the antibodies wouldn't necessarily protect you from that next season's iteration (not a definite no). 

This is what I found since my post and it definitely looks promising and shows what you're saying: 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity

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  On 6/27/2020 at 2:53 AM, Aqua Buddha said:

That means that Tulsa rally is about to blow the fuck up.

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Apparently some Arizona  sheriff who was at the Arizona rally and is big time anti mask got invited to the WH afterward, got there, and tested positive before he got to meet Trump. Fucking morons

 

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  On 6/27/2020 at 2:50 AM, Sawbonz said:

If it’s activating a T cell response you should get more than 2 years. What are they basing the 12-18 months on?

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More along the lines of immune response...

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/06/22/thoughts-on-antibody-persistence-and-the-pandemic

 

Thoughts on Antibody Persistence and the Pandemic

By Derek Lowe 22 June, 2020

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  On 6/27/2020 at 2:53 AM, Aqua Buddha said:

That means that Tulsa rally is about to blow the fuck up.

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When it spreads to a larger population than those in the arena the Dotard Campaign is going to use the infection figures as the attendance number.

See, we had 80,000 people at the rally!!!!!

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  On 6/27/2020 at 2:41 PM, Anastasis said:

 

More along the lines of immune response...

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/06/22/thoughts-on-antibody-persistence-and-the-pandemic

 

Thoughts on Antibody Persistence and the Pandemic

By Derek Lowe 22 June, 2020

 

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I'm just a dumb bone doctor, but memory T-cell lineages can live for decades. If the body mounts a T-cell response to the virus it should confer lasting (not necessarily lifelong, but more than 2 years) protection.   

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  On 6/27/2020 at 2:50 PM, Fudge Nuggets said:

When it spreads to a larger population than those in the arena the Dotard Campaign is going to use the infection figures as the attendance number.

See, we had 80,000 people at the rally!!!!!

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Actually that brings up a question. Those that went had to sign a waiver. But if I got sick because I was around one of those numbskulls and they got it at the rally, would I be able to sue the campaign?

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  On 6/27/2020 at 2:59 AM, triplehorn said:

 

Last Friday I climbed well over a vertical mile and a quarter.  Probably would have passed out and rolled down backwards wearing a mask.  At the barest minimum, do not want to get my lungs fucked up by this bug.  

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Shasta? Rainier? I've climbed the former, not the latter. 

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in my more philosophical moments* i wonder if this isn't all work of mother nature's immune system, to rid herself of harmful agents...🤔

 

 

 

*philosophical moments might mean i'm high 

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Some interesting history about Jonas Salk and the development of the polio vaccine that I was not familiar with.  And as the author explained, I can easily see this happening:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-new-virus-plan-is-to-quit-even-trying-pray-for-a-vaccine-before-november?ref=home

 

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Republicans have now put themselves in the position of palpably hoping and praying that a vaccine arrives by Election Day. 

The virus is now worse in this country than it’s ever been, and it’s likely to get worse still. Meanwhile the vice president is bragging that sure, infections may be up, but death rates are not, as if that’s reassuring. Donald Trump pulls back federal funding for tests, in Texas, where it’s raging, prompting a mild letter of protest even from sycophantic senators who will go down in historical shame for their complicity in Trump’s madness. Larry “Crazy Eddie” Kudlow keeps just saying shit, arrogant enough to think that if he says it, then surely it has to come true.

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They’ve given up. They’ve run up the white flag. The position is: The hell with it, people are going to get sick, some are going to die, with any luck not enough to cause a scandal, but we’re not shutting anything down again, and if people want to go to the movies and football games this fall, well, they’ll just have to roll the dice and man up, it’s on them, not us, cuz this is America, and we didn’t steal all that Indian land and conquer the world by being a bunch of stay-at-home ninnies, and in the meantime we’ll just hope that the scientists—you know, the people we constantly denounce because they talk about, you know, science—discover a vaccine. Ideally on about October 8 or so, in which case Republicans and Fox News will be carrying on as if Trump had donned a lab coat and developed it himself (“I know more than the scientists”).

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It’s a moral scandal of immense proportion, and so surreal that Buñuel couldn’t even make a film about these people, since the reality of what they say and do on a weekly basis is so much more bizarre than any fiction. But it can get worse. With these people, it can always get worse.

Here, I have a little historical story I ran across a few weeks ago that I’d like to share with you. It’s quite illuminating as to our current predicament, and it has the advantage of carrying with it not one but two morals.

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I appreciate the medical professionals and intelligent lay persons sorting the information looking for correct conclusions. I read some of it, but abandon much of it because I'm not a scientist.

Then I get angry again that we're being left to sort through this for ourselves due to horrifically bad and malign government.

We should all be planting victory gardens instead of wondering which seeds are safe. Or loading the seeds into shotguns and firing them at each other.

 

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Oh, motherfucker.....this is getting funny.  Your local GOP leadership at work (image below shared with me by a friend).

 

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This.....is fucking funny.  I guess we need to BUILD THE WALL a coupla miles high now?  Is there fucking anything the GOP WON'T blame on dirty brown people?  The mental gymnastics to justify their fucking xenophobia, paired perfectly with their steadfast refusal to take ANY responsibility (seriously, GOP xenophobia and responsibility avoidance go together like peas and carrots)......it's awe-inspiring to watch.  I mean..."he saw something" -- pretty solid sourcing, there.  And apparently, the GOP has now determined that not only is the virus airborne....it's WIND-borne.....over hundreds of fucking miles [Brisket checks map for distance between Mexico and Dallas, for example]....yep.  Hundreds of miles.  How fucking stupid can you be?  Try "all the stupid."

These are the dumbest, most irresponsible, hateful bunch of oozing fuckholes in American history, and they are fucking PROUD of it.

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  On 6/27/2020 at 9:31 PM, Brisketexan said:

Oh, motherfucker.....this is getting funny.  Your local GOP leadership at work (image below shared with me by a friend).

 

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This.....is fucking funny.  I guess we need to BUILD THE WALL a coupla miles high now?  Is there fucking anything the GOP WON'T blame on dirty brown people?  The mental gymnastics to justify their fucking xenophobia, paired perfectly with their steadfast refusal to take ANY responsibility (seriously, GOP xenophobia and responsibility avoidance go together like peas and carrots)......it's awe-inspiring to watch.  I mean..."he saw something" -- pretty solid sourcing, there.  And apparently, the GOP has now determined that not only is the virus airborne....it's WIND-borne.....over hundreds of fucking miles [Brisket checks map for distance between Mexico and Dallas, for example]....yep.  Hundreds of miles.  How fucking stupid can you be?  Try "all the stupid."

These are the dumbest, most irresponsible, hateful bunch of oozing fuckholes in American history, and they are fucking PROUD of it.

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Matt used to be a pretty likable guy.

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  On 6/27/2020 at 9:31 PM, Brisketexan said:

Oh, motherfucker.....this is getting funny.  Your local GOP leadership at work (image below shared with me by a friend).

 

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This.....is fucking funny.  I guess we need to BUILD THE WALL a coupla miles high now?  Is there fucking anything the GOP WON'T blame on dirty brown people?  The mental gymnastics to justify their fucking xenophobia, paired perfectly with their steadfast refusal to take ANY responsibility (seriously, GOP xenophobia and responsibility avoidance go together like peas and carrots)......it's awe-inspiring to watch.  I mean..."he saw something" -- pretty solid sourcing, there.  And apparently, the GOP has now determined that not only is the virus airborne....it's WIND-borne.....over hundreds of fucking miles [Brisket checks map for distance between Mexico and Dallas, for example]....yep.  Hundreds of miles.  How fucking stupid can you be?  Try "all the stupid."

These are the dumbest, most irresponsible, hateful bunch of oozing fuckholes in American history, and they are fucking PROUD of it.

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Holy fuck...

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Let's try a little logic here:  breezy day, 10+ thousand protesters in close proximity, admittedly with plenty wearing masks, but whatever virus exists in the air is certainly concentrated, and doesn't even spread locally.

Pan to:  cities 100s of miles from Mexico are probably getting doused with high viral load from dirty Messicans.

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  On 6/27/2020 at 9:42 PM, conVINCEd said:
Matt used to be a pretty likable guy.

It’s actually one of the saddest descents I’ve ever seen. I mean, setting aside addicts who’ve destroyed their lives, the relative ease with which he has slipped into flat-out wickedness and relentless lies is eye-opening.
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  On 6/27/2020 at 10:14 PM, Brisketexan said:


It’s actually one of the saddest descents I’ve ever seen. I mean, setting aside addicts who’ve destroyed their lives, the relative ease with which he has slipped into flat-out wickedness and relentless lies is eye-opening.

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I wish I saved the last text exchange we had when I asked him quit sending me his little email newsletter thing he was doing for a while, which I signed up for pre-2016 solely to help out a friend who was trying to get his numbers up.

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  On 6/27/2020 at 6:45 PM, Francisco 2.0 said:

Some interesting history about Jonas Salk and the development of the polio vaccine that I was not familiar with.  And as the author explained, I can easily see this happening:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-new-virus-plan-is-to-quit-even-trying-pray-for-a-vaccine-before-november?ref=home

 

 

 

 

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When Biden becomes president the first order of business should be to shut down Fox News and arrest every single person who works for them. From the heads on down to the interns. And if Australia refuses to extradite Rupert we should threaten to nuke them if they don’t. 

I am not joking. Profiting off of killing people is still an accessory to murder. 

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