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  On 7/22/2020 at 6:19 PM, Pimphand said:

Weird considering the rules and practices enforced in NY actually did cause fatalities.

Material proof of crimes:

Can anyone tell me what the difference in CFR between NY and TX is?  I'll hang up and listen.

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Easily, months.

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So some observations from my current sojourn into New England.

New Hampshire is redneck Trump country. They are fortunate that their case numbers are low but it’s not due to any sort of social distancing or personal responsibility (in general). Golf courses are basically like normal (rakes in bunkers, etc.). Mask wear age maybe 50 percent.

Contrast with Cape Cod. People taking things much more seriously. Masks everywhere indoors. Kids all wearing masks.

I’m grateful to have been able to get away for a little while, and it has been interesting to see how things are different up here.

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  On 7/22/2020 at 8:47 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Louisiana reporting over 4,000 new cases in the last 24 hours.  Has to be an all time high. 

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My oldest son lives in New Orleans and he and his girlfriend (live in) both have it.  Chest pain, difficulty breathing, very tired.  Testing is pretty hard to come by according to him. 

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  On 7/22/2020 at 8:34 PM, DDD Dad said:

New Hampshire is redneck Trump country. They are fortunate that their case numbers are low but it’s not due to any sort of social distancing or personal responsibility (in general). Golf courses are basically like normal (rakes in bunkers, etc.). Mask wear age maybe 50 percent.

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Seems a bit odd to throw this in there. 

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How so?

 

Most courses have COVID specific changes. (No rakes in bunkers, shallow cups to prevent reaching in to retrieve balls, etc. NH courses people are removing pins, etc.

 

No alterations from pre-COVID.

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  On 7/22/2020 at 8:57 PM, DDD Dad said:
How so?
 
Most courses have COVID specific changes. (No rakes in bunkers, shallow cups to prevent reaching in to retrieve balls, etc. NH courses people are removing pins, etc.
 
No alterations from pre-COVID.
I think it's fair to say we know that your odds of getting COVID from touching the odd outdoor surface that's been sitting in the sun all day are pretty low. Particularly if you work in some hand sanitizer.

I've actually seen courses lift the on- course restrictions you mentioned. More concerned with masks and capacity in clubhouse.
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  On 7/22/2020 at 7:41 PM, Bigpoppapump said:

Easily, months.

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Also. While New York (March 1reported) and Texas (March 4 reported) are not that far apart on their first COVID cases, a couple of differences: Texas' first case was from someone direct from Wuhan while the NY case was a traveler returning from Iran. So much travel was funneled through NY and combined with the more potent strain that began pouring through their terminals and their learning curve lagged behind the rapidity of the spread. Texas didn't have the same issue, IMO. If we did not learn from NY, then we are absolute idiots.

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I was simply observing differences. I played today on the cape and the club had no tales, pins set in holes, and flanges built into holes so ball would not fall all the way down.

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  On 7/22/2020 at 11:12 PM, Jive Turkey said:

 

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Wow, one of the comments the person was saying that the employees should refuse entrance. Another pointed out that if one does that then the police could take it out on your business.

That the discussion above even considered the second response is ghastly.

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  On 7/22/2020 at 11:17 PM, Mrs Whiggins said:

Wow, one of the comments the person was saying that the employees should refuse entrance. Another pointed out that if one does that then the police could take it out on your business.

That the discussion above even considered the second response is ghastly.

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People only need to see what they did to Shake Shack, seemingly without repercussions.

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@Bama Chick   this is close to home.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/coronavirus-hell-took-over-this-alabama-doctors-weekend?ref=home

 

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The death of a patient at the hands of the novel coronavirus is a tragedy for any doctor. But it was especially jarring in an otherwise healthy man in his fifties who contracted the infection at a recently reopened restaurant in Montgomery, Alabama—a place he likely felt safer venturing after testing positive for antibodies, local pulmonologist and critical care doctor David Thrasher recalled in an interview.

The man first got sick while traveling in Europe six months earlier with COVID-19, before it hit North America with a vengeance, Thrasher explained. Federal law prohibited him from providing details about the case, but he said the disturbing death confirmed for him and his colleagues in Alabama, where infections have surged in recent weeks, what they’d already feared: No one is safe.

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“There’s some limited immunity, but we don’t know how long it lasts,” Thrasher told The Daily Beast. “Don’t get fat and happy thinking you can’t get it.”

Over the course of last Thursday to Monday, Thrasher treated 78 patients, the “grand majority” of whom were suffering from severe cases of COVID-19. Of that group, many were on ventilators. Between himself, another doctor, and a nurse practitioner, the team treated 140 patients at four hospitals, he said. That’s more than double their normal summer caseload, and the patients are getting younger and younger, ranging from their twenties to their seventies.

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As of Wednesday, Alabama had 70,358 confirmed cases and 1,303 deaths from the virus. Across the state, 8,538 people had been hospitalized, with 1,547 currently in beds. The last available federal data for use of the state’s ICU capacity put Alabama at 82.6 percent on July 7. State data for test positivity rates put Alabama at 16.8 percent on July 11—double the national rate as of Wednesday.

Earlier this month, Alabama hit a peak of more than 2,000 new infections, and like many other states, the trend has been headed in the wrong direction.

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One death every 8 minutes in Florida:

 

And with the Florida GOP Governor insisting schools need to open in-person, a 9-year old girl with no underlying medical conditions just died in Florida.

 

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  On 7/23/2020 at 3:16 PM, JFKFC said:

And with the Florida GOP Governor insisting schools need to open in-person, a 9-year old girl with no underlying medical conditions just died in Florida.

 

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No previously known underlying medical conditions. It's quite likely that there are previously undiagnosed medical complexities involved, e.g. some form of reactive airway disease. Or maybe not. There are nearly 4MM cases, there are going to be all sorts of things observed. But these N of 1 cases are being used as scare porn. This is not to minimize the potential impact on children, nor the wrongheaded approach to school reopening being pushed, just to say that these are the thinnest of anecdotal case reports and it is counterproductive to amplify these cases in isolation without a more rigorous approach to understanding the real impacts and risks in children.   

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  On 7/23/2020 at 3:34 PM, NameAlreadyInUse said:

If Republicans want to have any hope at all of ever seeing my vote again, they're going to have to change some things right now, and they are going to have to hope my dad survives.  He seemed to be getting better a couple days ago after a week with Covid, but this morning he's heading to the hospital with what looks like pneumonia related to COVID.  If he dies from this, I will work for the rest of my life to make sure Republicans lose power where they have it, and stay out of power where they don't.  He caught it at work, which he does 3 days a week because he's retired and bored, but he is an essential worker so his work didn't change when this hit.  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on that to keep you safe.  

Let me repeat that:  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on those two safety measures to keep you safe.  

Stay safe everyone.  

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Well, damn.  I'm sorry to hear about your Dad.  My best thoughts are with him and your family.

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  On 7/23/2020 at 3:34 PM, NameAlreadyInUse said:

If Republicans want to have any hope at all of ever seeing my vote again, they're going to have to change some things right now, and they are going to have to hope my dad survives.  He seemed to be getting better a couple days ago after a week with Covid, but this morning he's heading to the hospital with what looks like pneumonia related to COVID.  If he dies from this, I will work for the rest of my life to make sure Republicans lose power where they have it, and stay out of power where they don't.  He caught it at work, which he does 3 days a week because he's retired and bored, but he is an essential worker so his work didn't change when this hit.  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on that to keep you safe.  

Let me repeat that:  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on those two safety measures to keep you safe.  

Stay safe everyone.  

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Best wishes to your dad.

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  On 7/23/2020 at 3:16 PM, JFKFC said:

One death every 8 minutes in Florida:

 

And with the Florida GOP Governor insisting schools need to open in-person, a 9-year old girl with no underlying medical conditions just died in Florida.

 

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It's fucking pathetic that we have to make sure to note that the nine year old girl didn't have underlying conditions as if that makes it worse. Yeah other kids have died but they had diabetes so fuck em, this girl though....

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  On 7/23/2020 at 3:34 PM, NameAlreadyInUse said:

If Republicans want to have any hope at all of ever seeing my vote again, they're going to have to change some things right now, and they are going to have to hope my dad survives.  He seemed to be getting better a couple days ago after a week with Covid, but this morning he's heading to the hospital with what looks like pneumonia related to COVID.  If he dies from this, I will work for the rest of my life to make sure Republicans lose power where they have it, and stay out of power where they don't.  He caught it at work, which he does 3 days a week because he's retired and bored, but he is an essential worker so his work didn't change when this hit.  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on that to keep you safe.  

Let me repeat that:  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on those two safety measures to keep you safe.  

Stay safe everyone.  

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NAIU, I can't tell you how much I hope that your dad makes it through this.

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  On 7/23/2020 at 3:46 PM, Anastasis said:

 

No previously known underlying medical conditions. It's quite likely that there are previously undiagnosed medical complexities involved, e.g. some form of reactive airway disease. Or maybe not. There are nearly 4MM cases, there are going to be all sorts of things observed. But these N of 1 cases are being used as scare porn. This is not to minimize the potential impact on children, nor the wrongheaded approach to school reopening being pushed, just to say that these are the thinnest of anecdotal case reports and it is counterproductive to amplify these cases in isolation without a more rigorous approach to understanding the real impacts and risks in children.   

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Shit, I’m agreeing with Anastasis.

Scaremongering by the media is counterproductive, but it’s what the media does. 

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  On 7/23/2020 at 3:34 PM, NameAlreadyInUse said:

If Republicans want to have any hope at all of ever seeing my vote again, they're going to have to change some things right now, and they are going to have to hope my dad survives.  He seemed to be getting better a couple days ago after a week with Covid, but this morning he's heading to the hospital with what looks like pneumonia related to COVID.  If he dies from this, I will work for the rest of my life to make sure Republicans lose power where they have it, and stay out of power where they don't.  He caught it at work, which he does 3 days a week because he's retired and bored, but he is an essential worker so his work didn't change when this hit.  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on that to keep you safe.  

Let me repeat that:  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on those two safety measures to keep you safe.  

Stay safe everyone.  

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#1 I genuinely hope you father ends up being fine.

 

#2 Lots of Dads have died, are dying and will die. Because of the reckless inaction of the GOP. I would hope your love for your father would help you to realize that you should never vote for any GOP candidate again. 

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  On 7/23/2020 at 4:55 PM, jimmyjazz said:

. . . and that's only being open 6/7 of the time that other fast food joints are open.  Hmmm.  I wonder what it could be?  It's a puzzler.

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Probably something to do with this? https://www.businessinsider.com/chick-fil-a-vs-mcdonalds-sales-closed-sunday-2019-7

Chick-fil-A scores more than double the sales of McDonald's per restaurant even though the chicken chain closes on Sundays

 

Or did you have something else in mind?

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  On 7/23/2020 at 5:02 PM, Anastasis said:

Probably something to do with this? https://www.businessinsider.com/chick-fil-a-vs-mcdonalds-sales-closed-sunday-2019-7

Chick-fil-A scores more than double the sales of McDonald's per restaurant even though the chicken chain closes on Sundays

 

Or did you have something else in mind?

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No, that wasn't my angle.  I would imagine if you calculated total stores in Colorado for both chains, McDonald's would exceed Chick-fil-A.  Higher revenue would help make up for that in terms of total customers served.

My real point was much snarkier:  Chick-fil-A is more likely to have employees and customers who fail to heed public health guidelines, because, you know (#zealots).

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Temp checks at the gate just don't do much in this pandemic. I understand why they're being done. Your workplace/whatever ideally would have social distancing guidelines, mask enforcement, and regular testing. Otherwise a temp check is simply theater. 

Good luck to your family, NAIU. 

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  On 7/23/2020 at 5:06 PM, jimmyjazz said:

No, that wasn't my angle.  I would imagine if you calculated total stores in Colorado for both chains, McDonald's would exceed Chick-fil-A.  Higher revenue would help make up for that in terms of total customers served.

My real point was much snarkier:  Chick-fil-A is more likely to have employees and customers who fail to heed public health guidelines, because, you know (#zealots).

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I disagree with this. Customers eat at chik fil a because the chicken tastes delicious, not because it’s religious or anti gay. 
 

As for their employees, they are relatively well paid robots under control working under relatively decent working condition. As an aside, never eat at a Sonic. 
 

All politics aside, it’s a great and successful franchise. 

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  On 7/23/2020 at 3:34 PM, NameAlreadyInUse said:

If Republicans want to have any hope at all of ever seeing my vote again, they're going to have to change some things right now, and they are going to have to hope my dad survives.  He seemed to be getting better a couple days ago after a week with Covid, but this morning he's heading to the hospital with what looks like pneumonia related to COVID.  If he dies from this, I will work for the rest of my life to make sure Republicans lose power where they have it, and stay out of power where they don't.  He caught it at work, which he does 3 days a week because he's retired and bored, but he is an essential worker so his work didn't change when this hit.  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on that to keep you safe.  

Let me repeat that:  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on those two safety measures to keep you safe.  

Stay safe everyone.  

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Best of luck and prayers (if you’re into that) to your dad, truly. 

Honest question - why would you ever consider voting Republican again, regardless of the result? They’ve shown us who they are. 

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  On 7/23/2020 at 5:20 PM, JimmyJames said:

I disagree with this. Customers eat at chik fil a because the chicken tastes delicious, not because it’s religious or anti gay. 
 

As for their employees, they are relatively well paid robots under control working under relatively decent working condition. As an aside, never eat at a Sonic. 
 

All politics aside, it’s a great and successful franchise. 

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It certainly could be coincidence.

It might not be.

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  On 7/23/2020 at 3:46 PM, Anastasis said:

 

No previously known underlying medical conditions. It's quite likely that there are previously undiagnosed medical complexities involved, e.g. some form of reactive airway disease. Or maybe not. There are nearly 4MM cases, there are going to be all sorts of things observed. But these N of 1 cases are being used as scare porn. This is not to minimize the potential impact on children, nor the wrongheaded approach to school reopening being pushed, just to say that these are the thinnest of anecdotal case reports and it is counterproductive to amplify these cases in isolation without a more rigorous approach to understanding the real impacts and risks in children.   

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  On 7/23/2020 at 4:25 PM, Doc Sam Beckett said:

It's fucking pathetic that we have to make sure to note that the nine year old girl didn't have underlying conditions as if that makes it worse. Yeah other kids have died but they had diabetes so fuck em, this girl though....

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  On 7/23/2020 at 4:39 PM, JimmyJames said:

Shit, I’m agreeing with Anastasis.

Scaremongering by the media is counterproductive, but it’s what the media does. 

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What the media should be pointing out is the percentage of Americans who have underlying conditions and comorbidities. What's the estimate of the number of Americans who have known or unknown underlying conditions? This 9-year-old did likely have something, but it was unknown. The fact is that there are a lot of Americans in that situation from all age groups.

Anecdotal scare porn is wrong, as y'all say, but the odds of the media handling these correctly with respect to data are low. 

 

  On 7/23/2020 at 4:55 PM, jimmyjazz said:

. . . and that's only being open 6/7 of the time that other fast food joints are open.  Hmmm.  I wonder what it could be?  It's a puzzler.

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  On 7/23/2020 at 5:02 PM, Anastasis said:

Probably something to do with this? https://www.businessinsider.com/chick-fil-a-vs-mcdonalds-sales-closed-sunday-2019-7

Chick-fil-A scores more than double the sales of McDonald's per restaurant even though the chicken chain closes on Sundays

 

Or did you have something else in mind?

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  On 7/23/2020 at 5:06 PM, jimmyjazz said:

No, that wasn't my angle.  I would imagine if you calculated total stores in Colorado for both chains, McDonald's would exceed Chick-fil-A.  Higher revenue would help make up for that in terms of total customers served.

My real point was much snarkier:  Chick-fil-A is more likely to have employees and customers who fail to heed public health guidelines, because, you know (#zealots).

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  On 7/23/2020 at 5:20 PM, JimmyJames said:

I disagree with this. Customers eat at chik fil a because the chicken tastes delicious, not because it’s religious or anti gay. 
 

As for their employees, they are relatively well paid robots under control working under relatively decent working condition. As an aside, never eat at a Sonic. 
 

All politics aside, it’s a great and successful franchise. 

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I would assume it has a lot to do with the franchise owner and management, too. Obviously just a guess, but I would imagine that those positions are more frequently held by anti-maskers in CFA than McD's. I've been to CFA a couple of times since COVID started. At one location the employees were wearing their masks around their chins and then when you looked through the drive-thru window 50% of the employees inside weren't even wearing them when the dining room was closed. At the other location there was proper mask usage at 100% based on what I could see.

That comes down to a difference in management.

 

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  On 7/23/2020 at 5:43 PM, Huckleberry said:

I would assume it has a lot to do with the franchise owner and management, too. Obviously just a guess, but I would imagine that those positions are more frequently held by anti-maskers in CFA than McD's.

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Exactly my point.



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