CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Bigpoppapump 532]

1 hour ago, Pimphand said:

Weird considering the rules and practices enforced in NY actually did cause fatalities.

Material proof of crimes:

Can anyone tell me what the difference in CFR between NY and TX is?  I'll hang up and listen.

Easily, months.

[Nivek 17013]

Define dig.

Insult? Want to murder and bury?

[Brisketexan 105479]

2 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Define dig.

Insult? Want to murder and bury?

Who are you to judge how people show their love?

[Nivek 17013]

Who are you to judge how people show their love?

Hush hush. Keep it down now. Voices carry.

[DDD Dad 14365]

So some observations from my current sojourn into New England.

New Hampshire is redneck Trump country. They are fortunate that their case numbers are low but it’s not due to any sort of social distancing or personal responsibility (in general). Golf courses are basically like normal (rakes in bunkers, etc.). Mask wear age maybe 50 percent.

Contrast with Cape Cod. People taking things much more seriously. Masks everywhere indoors. Kids all wearing masks.

I’m grateful to have been able to get away for a little while, and it has been interesting to see how things are different up here.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Louisiana reporting over 4,000 new cases in the last 24 hours.  Has to be an all time high. 

[Jiggy-Z 3439]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Louisiana reporting over 4,000 new cases in the last 24 hours.  Has to be an all time high. 

My oldest son lives in New Orleans and he and his girlfriend (live in) both have it.  Chest pain, difficulty breathing, very tired.  Testing is pretty hard to come by according to him. 

[Biff Tannen 45753]

21 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

New Hampshire is redneck Trump country. They are fortunate that their case numbers are low but it’s not due to any sort of social distancing or personal responsibility (in general). Golf courses are basically like normal (rakes in bunkers, etc.). Mask wear age maybe 50 percent.

Seems a bit odd to throw this in there. 

[DDD Dad 14365]

How so?

 

Most courses have COVID specific changes. (No rakes in bunkers, shallow cups to prevent reaching in to retrieve balls, etc. NH courses people are removing pins, etc.

 

No alterations from pre-COVID.

[gmr548 16617]

How so?
 
Most courses have COVID specific changes. (No rakes in bunkers, shallow cups to prevent reaching in to retrieve balls, etc. NH courses people are removing pins, etc.
 
No alterations from pre-COVID.

I think it's fair to say we know that your odds of getting COVID from touching the odd outdoor surface that's been sitting in the sun all day are pretty low. Particularly if you work in some hand sanitizer.

I've actually seen courses lift the on- course restrictions you mentioned. More concerned with masks and capacity in clubhouse.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

1 hour ago, Bigpoppapump said:

Easily, months.

Also. While New York (March 1reported) and Texas (March 4 reported) are not that far apart on their first COVID cases, a couple of differences: Texas' first case was from someone direct from Wuhan while the NY case was a traveler returning from Iran. So much travel was funneled through NY and combined with the more potent strain that began pouring through their terminals and their learning curve lagged behind the rapidity of the spread. Texas didn't have the same issue, IMO. If we did not learn from NY, then we are absolute idiots.

[DDD Dad 14365]

I was simply observing differences. I played today on the cape and the club had no tales, pins set in holes, and flanges built into holes so ball would not fall all the way down.

[4th&Five 41619]

 

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[Dnaguy 12181]

7 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

 

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

58 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Let's send Barron's ass back to school and quit with testing everyone around Trump. Give him the same experience he's asking all of us to undertake. 

With any luck he will be on a ventilator by November.

[Jive Turkey 12673]

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

3 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

 

Wow, one of the comments the person was saying that the employees should refuse entrance. Another pointed out that if one does that then the police could take it out on your business.

That the discussion above even considered the second response is ghastly.

[Beau Vine 54487]

1 hour ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

If we did not learn from NY, then we are absolute idiots.

Well...

[InkaUtexas 26253]

5 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

 

Above the law I guess. Probably fucking Yankee fans as well. 

[Kermit 3159]

5 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Wow, one of the comments the person was saying that the employees should refuse entrance. Another pointed out that if one does that then the police could take it out on your business.

That the discussion above even considered the second response is ghastly.

People only need to see what they did to Shake Shack, seemingly without repercussions.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

That is a good point.

[Bateshorn 9942]

4 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Seems a bit odd to throw this in there. 

Cape Cod is the tits in July. Csb/

[DDD Dad 14365]

Cape Cod is the tits in July. Csb/

Catching a little chill on the veranda from the fog right now.

[babysdaddy 2730]

Catching a little chill on the veranda from the fog right now.

Negged

[Cairn Horn88 8289]

[Francisco 2.0 32432]

@Bama Chick   this is close to home.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/coronavirus-hell-took-over-this-alabama-doctors-weekend?ref=home

 

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The death of a patient at the hands of the novel coronavirus is a tragedy for any doctor. But it was especially jarring in an otherwise healthy man in his fifties who contracted the infection at a recently reopened restaurant in Montgomery, Alabama—a place he likely felt safer venturing after testing positive for antibodies, local pulmonologist and critical care doctor David Thrasher recalled in an interview.

The man first got sick while traveling in Europe six months earlier with COVID-19, before it hit North America with a vengeance, Thrasher explained. Federal law prohibited him from providing details about the case, but he said the disturbing death confirmed for him and his colleagues in Alabama, where infections have surged in recent weeks, what they’d already feared: No one is safe.

 

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“There’s some limited immunity, but we don’t know how long it lasts,” Thrasher told The Daily Beast. “Don’t get fat and happy thinking you can’t get it.”

Over the course of last Thursday to Monday, Thrasher treated 78 patients, the “grand majority” of whom were suffering from severe cases of COVID-19. Of that group, many were on ventilators. Between himself, another doctor, and a nurse practitioner, the team treated 140 patients at four hospitals, he said. That’s more than double their normal summer caseload, and the patients are getting younger and younger, ranging from their twenties to their seventies.

 

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As of Wednesday, Alabama had 70,358 confirmed cases and 1,303 deaths from the virus. Across the state, 8,538 people had been hospitalized, with 1,547 currently in beds. The last available federal data for use of the state’s ICU capacity put Alabama at 82.6 percent on July 7. State data for test positivity rates put Alabama at 16.8 percent on July 11—double the national rate as of Wednesday.

Earlier this month, Alabama hit a peak of more than 2,000 new infections, and like many other states, the trend has been headed in the wrong direction.

 

Spoiler

The physical and mental toll in a seemingly endless battle have frontline doctors all over the state feeling overwhelmed. One source of hope: a recently-enacted statewide face mask mandate. But medical providers and public health experts in Alabama are running up against deep-rooted cultural conservatism that’s making their already difficult jobs even harder.

The alarm goes off in Thrasher’s red-brick home in Montgomery at 4 a.m. on weekend mornings. He grabs his green scrubs, blue gloves, N100 mask, and face shield, and walks out the door. Some days, he doesn’t return until 8 p.m. with his face bruised from the equipment and his nose bleeding. When he’s on call, he’s getting beeped throughout the night—about COVID-19 patients, about their charts, about their ventilators.

“The volume is incredible. We’ve lost people in their twenties and several in their thirties,” said Thrasher, who cited the recent death of a 21-year-old. “Some of these people have zero comorbidities.”

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the public face of the White House’s coronavirus response and the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told The New York Times this week that the age average for new cases in the South are “about 10 to 15 years younger than what we previously saw”—a trend that was first flagged by researchers in Washington state.

“They are fueling the pandemic,” said Fauci. “We have to keep hammering that home, because, as much as they do that, they’re completely relinquishing their societal responsibility.”

For the weeks patients spend in Montgomery hospitals, they are limited primarily to contact with a nurse—whom Thrasher called “their only bridge to the outside world and their only hope”—and otherwise speak to doctors and family through glass or video conferences. The nurses, said Thrasher, are “the heroes of the world.” They’re routinely getting infected themselves or, over exposure concerns, taken out of rotation and put in quarantine, he said. Those who don’t become infected are still often prone to breakdowns over the emotional and physical toll, which makes staffing difficult to maintain, he said.

As has been widely reported in other parts of the South, Montgomery Mayor Steven Reed’s office told The Daily Beast on Wednesday that a majority—and disproportionate percentage—of cases in the city have affected Black residents.

“The death and dying is nothing like we’ve ever seen before,” said Thrasher, who has practiced medicine since 1983 and previously worked as a coroner. “We're used to people dying, but this is different.”

On Tuesday, a few hours before he spoke to The Daily Beast, Thrasher told yet another woman that her father had died. The rest of any given day disappears quickly, he said: “You go and see these patients, you adjust ventilators, you go over the case with the pharmacist, the respiratory therapists, the nutritionists, and you just keep going, take a break to grab a sandwich about noontime, and then you keep going until late in the evening.”

Dr. Michael Saag, a friend of Thrasher’s—and the associate dean for global health at the University of Alabama at Birmingham and an expert in infectious diseases who spends his days tending to patients at a COVID-19 outpatient clinic—said he could not get the concept of 78 patients out of his head.

“If you spent 10 minutes per patient, that’s over 12 hours of rounding,” Saag told The Daily Beast this week. “That doesn’t include the time reading the chart, writing notes, meeting with families. It’s darn near impossible to do that day in and day out and not become exhausted and overwhelmed.”

Saag speaks from personal experience: He contracted the virus in early March after a trip to Manhattan and suffered eight nights of acute symptoms, he said.

“The worst part of it was not knowing what was going to happen next,” said Saag. “I’d be short of breath and having coughing spells and fever, and I knew as a physician that I wasn’t sick enough to require hospitalization—but I didn’t know what the next 15 minutes would bring. In the wee hours of the morning, it was horrifying, and that went on for eight days in a row.”

When the push came in May to relax stay-at-home orders in Alabama, Saag told The Daily Beast, “Unfortunately, a lot of folks thought that was a green light to go back to life as we knew it.”

After a surge, several cities imposed local ordinances. Counties did the same, and last week, Gov. Kay Ivey ordered a statewide mask mandate. As Ivey has repeatedly said publicly, she believes the order will be hard to enforce, since some local law enforcement officials say they don’t feel comfortable with it. 

Karen Landers, a doctor at the Alabama Department of Public Health, said on Tuesday that, while businesses—including restaurants—are still allowed to remain open, there are more than 10 pages of restrictions on capacity and social distancing measures in Ivey’s orders. Landers called mask-wearing “one of the most important measures” to turn around the tide of cases, considering the current numbers and the fact that eight counties don’t have hospitals at all.

At this point, Landers added, it’s difficult to isolate epidemiological links to the state’s case count. “The overarching issue,” she said, “is widespread community transmission” across the state.

This week, the White House Coronavirus Task Force credited a dramatic decrease in Arizona’s cases to the widespread use of masks and increased social distancing, as well as the closure of bars and the reduction of restaurant capacity. Vice President Mike Pence encouraged other states to follow Arizona’s “leadership,” even as that call came after months of Gov. Doug Ducey’s refusal to implement a statewide mandate. (Ninety percent of the state has local mask ordinances, even without an order from Ducey.)

“Masks, closing indoor bars, decreasing indoor dining capacity to 25 percent, continued social distancing and personal hygiene messaging, according to the model, dramatically decrease the rate of community spread,” Pence, chair of the White House task force, said in a meeting with governors this week, according to a recording obtained by The Daily Beast. 

But Pence’s encouragement of mask-wearing came after the White House—and Trump specifically—long called into question the effectiveness of masks. Trump himself refused to wear one in public until a few weeks ago, though he recently claimed using a face covering is “patriotic,” and brandished one during a White House briefing on Tuesday.

Saag, who identifies as a conservative, said the mixed messaging has only added to the open distrust of public health officials. 

Likewise, Thrasher bemoaned the life and death effects of a simmering—and to his mind unnecessary—culture war.

“I get it, OK?” he opined. “Nobody likes the government telling you what to do. But they tell us we have to wear seat belts, that we can’t drink and drive. How is this different? It’s very frustrating.” 

The lifelong conservative and Auburn University graduate said he’s been called a “Pelosi liberal” in recent weeks over his sober take on the virus and on mask guidance. 

“It’s not Auburn vs. Alabama,” he said, adding, “We’re all on the same team.” And without public buy-in on masks, social-distancing, and hand hygiene, it’s sometimes hard for him to keep his hopes up.

As Thrasher put it, “I don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel right now.”

 

[safe sex 11800]

Pretty much.

[JFKFC 4897]

One death every 8 minutes in Florida:

 

And with the Florida GOP Governor insisting schools need to open in-person, a 9-year old girl with no underlying medical conditions just died in Florida.

 

[NameAlreadyInUse 5132]

If Republicans want to have any hope at all of ever seeing my vote again, they're going to have to change some things right now, and they are going to have to hope my dad survives.  He seemed to be getting better a couple days ago after a week with Covid, but this morning he's heading to the hospital with what looks like pneumonia related to COVID.  If he dies from this, I will work for the rest of my life to make sure Republicans lose power where they have it, and stay out of power where they don't.  He caught it at work, which he does 3 days a week because he's retired and bored, but he is an essential worker so his work didn't change when this hit.  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on that to keep you safe.  

Let me repeat that:  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on those two safety measures to keep you safe.  

Stay safe everyone.  

[Anastasis 23471]

22 minutes ago, JFKFC said:

And with the Florida GOP Governor insisting schools need to open in-person, a 9-year old girl with no underlying medical conditions just died in Florida.

 

 

No previously known underlying medical conditions. It's quite likely that there are previously undiagnosed medical complexities involved, e.g. some form of reactive airway disease. Or maybe not. There are nearly 4MM cases, there are going to be all sorts of things observed. But these N of 1 cases are being used as scare porn. This is not to minimize the potential impact on children, nor the wrongheaded approach to school reopening being pushed, just to say that these are the thinnest of anecdotal case reports and it is counterproductive to amplify these cases in isolation without a more rigorous approach to understanding the real impacts and risks in children.   

[jimmyjazz 46351]

22 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

If Republicans want to have any hope at all of ever seeing my vote again, they're going to have to change some things right now, and they are going to have to hope my dad survives.  He seemed to be getting better a couple days ago after a week with Covid, but this morning he's heading to the hospital with what looks like pneumonia related to COVID.  If he dies from this, I will work for the rest of my life to make sure Republicans lose power where they have it, and stay out of power where they don't.  He caught it at work, which he does 3 days a week because he's retired and bored, but he is an essential worker so his work didn't change when this hit.  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on that to keep you safe.  

Let me repeat that:  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on those two safety measures to keep you safe.  

Stay safe everyone.  

Well, damn.  I'm sorry to hear about your Dad.  My best thoughts are with him and your family.

[Beau Vine 54487]

https://kdvr.com/news/local/chick-fil-a-leads-colorado-fast-food-joints-in-covid-19-outbreaks-and-it-isnt-even-close

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

48 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

If Republicans want to have any hope at all of ever seeing my vote again, they're going to have to change some things right now, and they are going to have to hope my dad survives.  He seemed to be getting better a couple days ago after a week with Covid, but this morning he's heading to the hospital with what looks like pneumonia related to COVID.  If he dies from this, I will work for the rest of my life to make sure Republicans lose power where they have it, and stay out of power where they don't.  He caught it at work, which he does 3 days a week because he's retired and bored, but he is an essential worker so his work didn't change when this hit.  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on that to keep you safe.  

Let me repeat that:  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on those two safety measures to keep you safe.  

Stay safe everyone.  

Best wishes to your dad.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5800]

1 hour ago, JFKFC said:

One death every 8 minutes in Florida:

 

And with the Florida GOP Governor insisting schools need to open in-person, a 9-year old girl with no underlying medical conditions just died in Florida.

 

It's fucking pathetic that we have to make sure to note that the nine year old girl didn't have underlying conditions as if that makes it worse. Yeah other kids have died but they had diabetes so fuck em, this girl though....

[Brisketexan 105479]

54 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

If Republicans want to have any hope at all of ever seeing my vote again, they're going to have to change some things right now, and they are going to have to hope my dad survives.  He seemed to be getting better a couple days ago after a week with Covid, but this morning he's heading to the hospital with what looks like pneumonia related to COVID.  If he dies from this, I will work for the rest of my life to make sure Republicans lose power where they have it, and stay out of power where they don't.  He caught it at work, which he does 3 days a week because he's retired and bored, but he is an essential worker so his work didn't change when this hit.  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on that to keep you safe.  

Let me repeat that:  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on those two safety measures to keep you safe.  

Stay safe everyone.  

NAIU, I can't tell you how much I hope that your dad makes it through this.

[JimmyJames 12271]

52 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

No previously known underlying medical conditions. It's quite likely that there are previously undiagnosed medical complexities involved, e.g. some form of reactive airway disease. Or maybe not. There are nearly 4MM cases, there are going to be all sorts of things observed. But these N of 1 cases are being used as scare porn. This is not to minimize the potential impact on children, nor the wrongheaded approach to school reopening being pushed, just to say that these are the thinnest of anecdotal case reports and it is counterproductive to amplify these cases in isolation without a more rigorous approach to understanding the real impacts and risks in children.   

Shit, I’m agreeing with Anastasis.

Scaremongering by the media is counterproductive, but it’s what the media does. 

[JFKFC 4897]

1 hour ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

If Republicans want to have any hope at all of ever seeing my vote again, they're going to have to change some things right now, and they are going to have to hope my dad survives.  He seemed to be getting better a couple days ago after a week with Covid, but this morning he's heading to the hospital with what looks like pneumonia related to COVID.  If he dies from this, I will work for the rest of my life to make sure Republicans lose power where they have it, and stay out of power where they don't.  He caught it at work, which he does 3 days a week because he's retired and bored, but he is an essential worker so his work didn't change when this hit.  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on that to keep you safe.  

Let me repeat that:  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on those two safety measures to keep you safe.  

Stay safe everyone.  

#1 I genuinely hope you father ends up being fine.

 

#2 Lots of Dads have died, are dying and will die. Because of the reckless inaction of the GOP. I would hope your love for your father would help you to realize that you should never vote for any GOP candidate again. 

[jimmyjazz 46351]

39 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

https://kdvr.com/news/local/chick-fil-a-leads-colorado-fast-food-joints-in-covid-19-outbreaks-and-it-isnt-even-close

. . . and that's only being open 6/7 of the time that other fast food joints are open.  Hmmm.  I wonder what it could be?  It's a puzzler.

[InkaUtexas 26253]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

. . . and that's only being open 6/7 of the time that other fast food joints are open.  Hmmm.  I wonder what it could be?  It's a puzzler.

bet it the Chick-Fil-A sauce. Always told my kids that shit was evil. 

[Anastasis 23471]

Obligatory, Chick-Fil-A is garbage intended for children. 

[Anastasis 23471]

5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

. . . and that's only being open 6/7 of the time that other fast food joints are open.  Hmmm.  I wonder what it could be?  It's a puzzler.

Probably something to do with this? https://www.businessinsider.com/chick-fil-a-vs-mcdonalds-sales-closed-sunday-2019-7

Chick-fil-A scores more than double the sales of McDonald's per restaurant even though the chicken chain closes on Sundays

 

Or did you have something else in mind?

[jimmyjazz 46351]

Just now, Anastasis said:

Probably something to do with this? https://www.businessinsider.com/chick-fil-a-vs-mcdonalds-sales-closed-sunday-2019-7

Chick-fil-A scores more than double the sales of McDonald's per restaurant even though the chicken chain closes on Sundays

 

Or did you have something else in mind?

No, that wasn't my angle.  I would imagine if you calculated total stores in Colorado for both chains, McDonald's would exceed Chick-fil-A.  Higher revenue would help make up for that in terms of total customers served.

My real point was much snarkier:  Chick-fil-A is more likely to have employees and customers who fail to heed public health guidelines, because, you know (#zealots).

[talley49 46]

found out my grandson tested positive today, if you can still vote for that orange piece of shit and his enablers fuck you.

[Skyline 325]

Temp checks at the gate just don't do much in this pandemic. I understand why they're being done. Your workplace/whatever ideally would have social distancing guidelines, mask enforcement, and regular testing. Otherwise a temp check is simply theater. 

Good luck to your family, NAIU. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

10 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

No, that wasn't my angle.  I would imagine if you calculated total stores in Colorado for both chains, McDonald's would exceed Chick-fil-A.  Higher revenue would help make up for that in terms of total customers served.

My real point was much snarkier:  Chick-fil-A is more likely to have employees and customers who fail to heed public health guidelines, because, you know (#zealots).

I disagree with this. Customers eat at chik fil a because the chicken tastes delicious, not because it’s religious or anti gay. 
 

As for their employees, they are relatively well paid robots under control working under relatively decent working condition. As an aside, never eat at a Sonic. 
 

All politics aside, it’s a great and successful franchise. 

[Planet Houston 4939]

1 hour ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

If Republicans want to have any hope at all of ever seeing my vote again, they're going to have to change some things right now, and they are going to have to hope my dad survives.  He seemed to be getting better a couple days ago after a week with Covid, but this morning he's heading to the hospital with what looks like pneumonia related to COVID.  If he dies from this, I will work for the rest of my life to make sure Republicans lose power where they have it, and stay out of power where they don't.  He caught it at work, which he does 3 days a week because he's retired and bored, but he is an essential worker so his work didn't change when this hit.  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on that to keep you safe.  

Let me repeat that:  He works at a place where everyone is tested regularly and gets a temp check every day on their way in.  You can't count on those two safety measures to keep you safe.  

Stay safe everyone.  

Best of luck and prayers (if you’re into that) to your dad, truly. 

Honest question - why would you ever consider voting Republican again, regardless of the result? They’ve shown us who they are. 

[jimmyjazz 46351]

7 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

I disagree with this. Customers eat at chik fil a because the chicken tastes delicious, not because it’s religious or anti gay. 
 

As for their employees, they are relatively well paid robots under control working under relatively decent working condition. As an aside, never eat at a Sonic. 
 

All politics aside, it’s a great and successful franchise. 

It certainly could be coincidence.

It might not be.

[Huckleberry 33163]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

 

No previously known underlying medical conditions. It's quite likely that there are previously undiagnosed medical complexities involved, e.g. some form of reactive airway disease. Or maybe not. There are nearly 4MM cases, there are going to be all sorts of things observed. But these N of 1 cases are being used as scare porn. This is not to minimize the potential impact on children, nor the wrongheaded approach to school reopening being pushed, just to say that these are the thinnest of anecdotal case reports and it is counterproductive to amplify these cases in isolation without a more rigorous approach to understanding the real impacts and risks in children.   

 

1 hour ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

It's fucking pathetic that we have to make sure to note that the nine year old girl didn't have underlying conditions as if that makes it worse. Yeah other kids have died but they had diabetes so fuck em, this girl though....

 

59 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Shit, I’m agreeing with Anastasis.

Scaremongering by the media is counterproductive, but it’s what the media does. 

What the media should be pointing out is the percentage of Americans who have underlying conditions and comorbidities. What's the estimate of the number of Americans who have known or unknown underlying conditions? This 9-year-old did likely have something, but it was unknown. The fact is that there are a lot of Americans in that situation from all age groups.

Anecdotal scare porn is wrong, as y'all say, but the odds of the media handling these correctly with respect to data are low. 

 

43 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

. . . and that's only being open 6/7 of the time that other fast food joints are open.  Hmmm.  I wonder what it could be?  It's a puzzler.

 

36 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Probably something to do with this? https://www.businessinsider.com/chick-fil-a-vs-mcdonalds-sales-closed-sunday-2019-7

Chick-fil-A scores more than double the sales of McDonald's per restaurant even though the chicken chain closes on Sundays

 

Or did you have something else in mind?

 

32 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

No, that wasn't my angle.  I would imagine if you calculated total stores in Colorado for both chains, McDonald's would exceed Chick-fil-A.  Higher revenue would help make up for that in terms of total customers served.

My real point was much snarkier:  Chick-fil-A is more likely to have employees and customers who fail to heed public health guidelines, because, you know (#zealots).

 

18 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

I disagree with this. Customers eat at chik fil a because the chicken tastes delicious, not because it’s religious or anti gay. 
 

As for their employees, they are relatively well paid robots under control working under relatively decent working condition. As an aside, never eat at a Sonic. 
 

All politics aside, it’s a great and successful franchise. 

I would assume it has a lot to do with the franchise owner and management, too. Obviously just a guess, but I would imagine that those positions are more frequently held by anti-maskers in CFA than McD's. I've been to CFA a couple of times since COVID started. At one location the employees were wearing their masks around their chins and then when you looked through the drive-thru window 50% of the employees inside weren't even wearing them when the dining room was closed. At the other location there was proper mask usage at 100% based on what I could see.

That comes down to a difference in management.

 

[jimmyjazz 46351]

10 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I would assume it has a lot to do with the franchise owner and management, too. Obviously just a guess, but I would imagine that those positions are more frequently held by anti-maskers in CFA than McD's.

Exactly my point.