CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Perhaps this belongs in another thread, but I'm putting it here as COVID-19, the economy, healthcare, and more are intertwined. As of right now, starring in the horror show that is 2020, what is outlined in the article is occurring across the nation in various forms or another. As more people become homeless, getting to the polls becomes difficult so voting to get those heartless bastards out of office becomes next to impossible. Their immediate needs are health assistance and shelter, something that is so basic to survive that our prosperous nation will gloat that the homeless don't deserve those things before admitting that we are not only callous to their suffering, but that (as Brisket has oft pointed out: the cruelty is the point. (link here): https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/local/2020/08/06/memphis-woman-who-said-she-has-covid-19-evicted-raleigh/3311839001/?utm_campaign=reckonalabama_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Memphis woman, who said she is recovering from COVID-19, evicted in Raleigh

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Leslie Nelson, a 56-year-old Raleigh resident, was evicted from her home of several years Thursday. Nelson, who struggled to breathe while talking to The Commercial Appeal, said she is recovering from COVID-19. 

She was sick, barely able to stand, she said, as her belongings were being removed from her home and piled on the property's front yard.

Memphis police officers were on scene at Nelson's residence Thursday afternoon and told a CA photographer they were only there to keep the peace. The process server, there to oversee the eviction, left just before 3 p.m.

Eviction hearings resumed in Shelby County in mid-June after a months-long hiatus prompted by the novel coronavirus pandemic.

Ten volunteers had gathered on Nelson's Raleigh residence to try and move her belongings out of the sun, and to tend to Nelson while also keeping their distance.

The volunteers were summoned by Nelson’s distress calls on Facebook, which were then amplified when Hunter Demster, a community organizer and activist, went to her house and livestreamed her eviction. 

And before the volunteers, movers or Memphis police cruisers showed up to her residence in the 3300 block of Joslyn Street, Nelson said she had pleaded with a probate attorney for a chance to settle her deceased mother-in-law’s medical bills.

The house was left to Nelson and her partner. She said she has the papers to prove it, and sought ways to repay the medical debt attached to the house. A GoFundMe was started by a friend to help with expenses. 

“I offered to pay,” Nelson said. “But he didn’t even give me a warning. He just sent movers over here, and they showed up with police officers.” 

Nelson tested positive for COVID-19 on June 11. Though she had been been staying at home since the start of the pandemic, she did visit with a friend one day. That friend called her a few days later, saying they thought they had symptoms of heatstroke when they saw Nelson. It wasn't heatstroke, but COVID-19 at the root of their symptoms.

Just three days after Nelson learned of her friend's positive status, she became sicker than she could ever remember feeling.

"I couldn't breathe, couldn't stand up, I was hallucinating at one point," Nelson said.

She called for an ambulance, and spent the next several days at Methodist North on oxygen.

She was released a few weeks ago, and had even started to feel like she was turning a corner. But when the process server showed up to her Raleigh residence, she said grew ill from the stress.

Her epilepsy also presented itself in Thursday morning's chaos. Nelson suffered from a seizure severe enough to cause her to bite her tongue.

Capt. Anthony Buckner with the Shelby County Sheriff's Office said no deputies responded to Nelson's address. SCSO, Buckner said, only handles about 20% of evictions in the county.

The rest are sometimes overseen by the Memphis Police Department, and Nelson said it was MPD officers who threatened arrest as she was being removed from her house.

It's not immediately clear if Nelson's eviction is among the 9,000 eviction filings Cindy Ettingoff, CEO and general counsel for the Memphis Area Legal Services, warned The Commercial Appeal about back in June. 

For now, the group of volunteers are moving Nelson's belongings into a small rented storage space that someone donated. It's a start, but it's not quite enough to hold all her possessions from her house. She does not know where she will stay tonight.

Nelson's eviction, occurring after she said she was hospitalized with COVID-19, represents an aspect of public health the Shelby County Health Department has signaled concern over — being unhoused and sick with COVID-19.

"This is going to happen again," Nelson said. "And next time, I want to be the one that shows up to help."

The Commercial Appeal has reached out to Nelson's probate attorney for a response.

 

[TexLonghorn 5663]

 

[tchookem 3900]

 

But I thought Executive Order fixed it? Seriously, what's the play here?

[HenryJames 66041]

 

[BrazilHorn 6586]

11 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Given that ~80% of all deaths have been those that are 65 years old +, I am looking forward to the "Freakonomics" style analysis on the impact this has to social security & longer term healthcare. It's no joke that the elderly have been sacrificed.

[Burt 4080]

4 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

 

I work with a guy who has a son who attends that school.  /csb

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

2 hours ago, BrazilHorn said:

Given that ~80% of all deaths have been those that are 65 years old +, I am looking forward to the "Freakonomics" style analysis on the impact this has to social security & longer term healthcare. It's no joke that the elderly have been sacrificed.

Well that's one way to fix the social security insolvency issue.

Thank goodness they're olds and not a fertilized egg or the Republicans would have never had the balls to let them die.

[washparkhorn 9939]

41 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

I am looking forward to the "Freakonomics" style analysis

They are beginning to roll out as patterns are studied. Anti-Trump v. Pro-Trump COVID-19 demographics are as expected, but it is still early in the research.

 

[washparkhorn 9939]

3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

Stark statistic. 

Died with COVID v. died of COVID will be the rebuttal.

Frankly, died of COVID numbers should be enough to wake up everyone to the risk of the pandemic to Americans and America. But it is a Presidential election year and the silliness dominates. Thanks for the link.

[justhookit 4191]

3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

You’re smarter than that.

[washparkhorn 9939]

"No Stabbing!"

 

[justhookit 4191]

7 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Stark statistic. 

Died with COVID v. died of COVID will be the rebuttal.

Frankly, died of COVID numbers should be enough to wake up everyone to the risk of the pandemic to Americans and America. But it is a Presidential election year and the silliness dominates. Thanks for the link.

 Ive posted it here, I’ve put it in the DT threads (one is worthless and one is actually really good). I’ll do it again. It’s a month old but they continue to update. It’s the best guess - anyone who wants to try to argue this is going to need to show their work.

Excess deaths https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html

 

[washparkhorn 9939]

Preliminary and too many confounding factors at this point. Agree. 

It is a wildfire with 0% containment. With containment, we can move on to temporary localized responses. We are a long way off with the amount of Americans ignoring the threat to Americans and the enormous damage suffered by our economic system because of the refusal to follow simple guidelines that would help contain the virus.

The United States economy is on the brink of oblivion thanks to our poor response to common sense measures for containing and localizing a pandemic. If the world pulls the plug on our economy, main street quality of life will plummet to depths not experienced since the Great Depression.

No one in America wants that, but actions speak louder than words. 

[justhookit 4191]

Eh, that’s at 200,000 too many deaths and I’d argue it’s likely a little higher. On a larger time scale though it’s going to get smaller. It’s going to take years before we really have a good idea what happened. Not to say that this is over because I believe the worst is still coming. There’s no doubt a bunch of people died earlier than they should have, and a bunch more people shouldn’t have died at all. It’s tremendous. And testing.

we always needed to fight this locally. We just refuse to do it.

[BrazilHorn 6586]

5 hours ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Well that's one way to fix the social security insolvency issue.

Thank goodness they're olds and not a fertilized egg or the Republicans would have never had the balls to let them die.

I’m not celebrating it by any means. It will though once all the dust settles be interesting to see impact to Medicare & SS.  

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

Someone with no knowledge of college athletics would be able to accurately describe the geographic footprint of each conference after reading this tweet.

 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

On 8/7/2020 at 4:59 PM, Mrs Whiggins said:

Well, they're motoring all right. Guess they will discover their price for flight.

this is the worst post i've ever laughed at

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

OMG, so I saw on social media that Dan Patrick (not THAT Dan Patrick) leaked that the Big 10 held a vote and the fall season will be cancelled. He reported that Nebraska and Iowa voted to play. So, I headed over to FauxPelini's twitter to see if he had any pithy comments. No word on that yet, but I'm sure if Patrick's news is correct, the dominoes and comments are going to flood the twittersphere. No, what I came here to post was this funny take on what I am guessing is Clay Travis and Clay's COVID commentary. SIAP:

 

 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20395]

Fox News finds out that children can get the disease.  Also, Dr. Natasha Kathuria is easy on the eyes.

 

 

[jimmyjazz 45899]

In other bad news, a UT model is predicting 15,000 more Covid deaths in Texas by the end of August.

'sip study

[Bojack 2077]

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

In other bad news, a UT model is predicting 15,000 more Covid deaths in Texas by the end of August.

'sip study

Only 15,000?  I like those odds.  What doesn't kill me can only make me stronger. 

 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

that seems like a lot

https://history.army.mil/html/documents/casualties/stcas.html

STATE	WORLD WAR II	KOREA	VIETNAM
Alabama	5,114	589	741
Alaska	91	7	43
Arizona	1,613	185	390
Arkansas	3,814	409	397
California	17,022	1,894	3,597
Colorado	2,697	220	376
Connecticut	4,347	239	344
Delaware	579	35	81
District of Columbia	3,029	126	155
Florida	3,540	458	1,280
Georgia	5,701	640	1,125
Hawaii	689	371	214
Idaho	1,419	97	137
Illinois	18,601	1,436	1,854
Indiana	8,131	742	983
Iowa	5,633	392	533
Kansas	4,526	328	386
Kentucky	6,802	750	763
Louisiana	3,964	481	571
Maine	2,156	184	214
Maryland	4,375	431	639
Massachusetts	10,033	663	708
Michigan	12,885	1,242	1,844
Minnesota	6,462	548	707
Mississippi	3,555	351	485
Missouri	8,003	737	945
Montana	1,553	97	167
Nebraska	2,976	234	260
Nevada	349	28	84
New Hampshire	1,203	113	129
New Jersey	10,372	589	920
New Mexico	2,032	147	256
New York	31,215	1,766	2,646
North Carolina	7,109	694	1,166
North Dakota	1,626	147	134
Ohio	16,828	1,488	1,919
Oklahoma	5,474	475	671
Oregon	2,835	202	416
Pennsylvania	26,554	2,030	1,859
Rhode Island	1,669	111	136
South Carolina	3,423	409	650
South Dakota	1,426	130	134
Tennessee	6,528	714	886
Texas	15,764	1,311	2,172
Utah	1,450	112	243
Vermont	874	82	68
Virginia	6,007	750	864
Washington	3,941	341	660
West Virginia	4,865	703	497
Wisconsin	7,038	627	760
Wyoming	652	45	82
Panama Canal Zone	21	1	2
Puerto Rico	368	706	320
American Samoa	--	--	1
Guam	--	--	58
U.S. Virgin Islands	--	--	14
U.S. At Large	--	0	--
U.S. Possessions	--	20	--

 

[Nivek 16923]

15 hours ago, Bartles said:

Well, sounds like college football will be officially called off in the next 48 hours. Get ready for an explosion of idiocy along the lines of Beruit last week. Small blasts from AL, GA and FL combine into a massive wave all the way to Cali.

I don't think so.

[Hornius Emeritus 12457]

18 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

In other bad news, a UT model is predicting 15,000 more Covid deaths in Texas by the end of August.

'sip study

 

An average of 700 deaths per day in Texas alone?  Surely that can't possibly be right.

[elfenix 34230]

Fox News finds out that children can get the disease.  Also, Dr. Natasha Kathuria is easy on the eyes.

 
 

Doc seems to have deleted her Instagram

[jimmyjazz 45899]

6 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

 

An average of 700 deaths per day in Texas alone?  Surely that can't possibly be right.

Less than a month ago we were at 83 per day (7-day rolling average).  A few days ago I saw 306 had perished in one day.  It's out of control.

[kevwun 15774]

Deaths lag the most by far.  Some people are in the hospital for months fighting it before they pass away.

[Captainant 27654]

19 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

 

An average of 700 deaths per day in Texas alone?  Surely that can't possibly be right.

7-day moving average of new deaths in Texas as of 8/1 was 353 per Johns Hopkins data

[Nivek 16923]

19 minutes ago, elfenix said:

49 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Fox News finds out that children can get the disease.  Also, Dr. Natasha Kathuria is easy on the eyes.

 
 

Doc seems to have deleted her Instagram

stalking?

[elfenix 34230]

i'm guessing she was getting nasty comments from the fox news types. 

or are you asking if i was stalking.  maybe.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

wife's coworker just lost a cousin last week and mom last night to covid19

[4th&Five 41525]

 

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

Antonio Banderas has it, apparently.  Not really a political thing, but I don't visit the DT thread anymore.

 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20395]

34 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

 

I'd be willing to sacrifice some elderly Trumpkins to see the Longhorns play. 

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40618-020-01370-x

Quote

 

Purpose
Hypovitaminosis D is a highly spread condition correlated with increased risk of respiratory tract infections. Nowadays, the world is in the grip of the Coronavirus disease 19 (COVID 19) pandemic. In these patients, cytokine storm is associated with disease severity. In consideration of the role of vitamin D in the immune system, aim of this study was to analyse vitamin D levels in patients with acute respiratory failure due to COVID-19 and to assess any correlations with disease severity and prognosis.

Methods
In this retrospective, observational study, we analysed demographic, clinical and laboratory data of 42 patients with acute respiratory failure due to COVID-19, treated in Respiratory Intermediate Care Unit (RICU) of the Policlinic of Bari from March, 11 to April 30, 2020.

Results
Eighty one percent of patients had hypovitaminosis D. Based on vitamin D levels, the population was stratified into four groups: no hypovitaminosis D, insufficiency, moderate deficiency, and severe deficiency. No differences regarding demographic and clinical characteristics were found. A survival analysis highlighted that, after 10 days of hospitalization, severe vitamin D deficiency patients had a 50% mortality probability, while those with vitamin D ≥ 10 ng/mL had a 5% mortality risk (p = 0.019).

Conclusions
High prevalence of hypovitaminosis D was found in COVID-19 patients with acute respiratory failure, treated in a RICU. Patients with severe vitamin D deficiency had a significantly higher mortality risk. Severe vitamin D deficiency may be a marker of poor prognosis in these patients, suggesting that adjunctive treatment might improve disease outcomes.

 

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

8 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40618-020-01370-x

 

So what you're saying is I should buy stock in sunblock and aloe vera and go grab some milk before everyone starts hoarding it?

J/K

Interesting observational study. W/o spending a lot of time looking into the particulars, it would seem that deficiency (immunity, vitamin absorption) in general is common among older folks.

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

Yeah, obviously larger scale studies needed, but interesting at any rate.  Edit: and if remotely true, winter gets worse than we may have thought.

Edited August 10, 2020 by MC Fresh Breath

[JimmyJames 12271]

8 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

Yeah, obviously larger scale studies needed, but interesting at any rate.  Edit: and if remotely true, winter gets worse than we may have thought.

The lack of focus on the importance of vitamin D to the immune system until the last few years has been in my opinion a failure of the medical/research community. There’s an evolutionary reason people from Nigeria have very dark skin and the Irish are pasty white and it has nothing to do with what racists think. 

[fuggled 576]

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

In other bad news, a UT model is predicting 15,000 more Covid deaths in Texas by the end of August.

'sip study

Quote

UT modelers base their projection on current social distancing data they glean from geolocation cell phone data. An anomaly in the data may account for the high prediction. On July 27th, the state reported 1,202 deaths. The modelers believe this may be causing something unusual happening in their model.

It's pretty clear from the story that the modelers suspect the model is wrong.

[elfenix 34230]

The lack of focus on the importance of vitamin D to the immune system until the last few years has been in my opinion a failure of the medical/research community. There’s an evolutionary reason people from Nigeria have very dark skin and the Irish are pasty white and it has nothing to do with what racists think. 

[Guest Lobo]

I don’t know why but I just assumed bill Nye would have a more modern looking kitchen.

I do appreciate that he tried to dumb down for white supremacists the reason why different parts of our species have different colored skin.    But they’re still not gonna get it.  
 

I’m consistently amazed at how white southerners can’t shut the fuck up about their European heritage and yet completely disregard the way in Which Europe conducts its self with regard to social issues in this pandemic.  They all want to be Northern European until some doctor  from Norway ask them to put on a mask.  

[Dark Horse 2280]

UT’s model has always shown the highest number of deaths on all the models listed on FiveThirtyEight.

I think Youyang Gu’s has tracked the most accurately. He’s predicting 20k deaths in Texas by Nov 1.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

3 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

UT’s model has always shown the highest number of deaths on all the models listed on FiveThirtyEight.

I think Youyang Gu’s has tracked the most accurately. He’s predicting 20k deaths in Texas by Nov 1.

not true at all.  it was the lowest at times, because there were times that cellphone data movement was WAY down.  you can go back and look at their forecasts by date (drop down at the top) and see.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/covid-forecasts/

[HenryJames 66041]

 

[gmr548 16576]

Doc seems to have deleted her Instagram

Probably had a lot of thirsty viewers sliding into DMs.

Also probably some venom from some who didn't like what she had to say.

[Fletch 5800]

So I talked to an old friend of mine from high school for the first time in a few years. He apparently got conned by trump and he’s now a devoted member of the quote. Anyways, he was telling me this covid pandemic is really a liberal hoax to hide the real virus. Abortion. Yes. He thinks there’s an epidemic of.....abortions. 

[elfenix 34230]

So I talked to an old friend of mine from high school for the first time in a few years. He apparently got conned by trump and he’s now a devoted member of the quote. Anyways, he was telling me this covid pandemic is really a liberal hoax to hide the real virus. Abortion. Yes. He thinks there’s an epidemic of.....abortions. 

We're aborting octogenarians!

[Ten Bears 2481]

Old small town high school acquaintance of mine died from it last week.  But not before parading around town without a mask while knowing he was positive.  He had to hit up the bar, Walmart, his daughter's wedding and fuck knows where else.

[Celery Man 20934]

[Captainant 27654]

Haven't seen it posted here yet, but a new study was published on Friday on the efficacy of different face masks and materials for blocking COVID droplets

link

The notable finding is that fleece face coverings and the popular neck gator option were measured to actually create more droplets than not wearing a mask at all - that is to say they are worse than wearing a mask.