CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11,669]

4 minutes ago, Ten Bears said:

Walmart, his daughter's wedding

to be fair, that was the same place

[Ten Bears 2,481]

7 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

to be fair, that was the same place

I see you know him.

[DDD Dad 14,332]

22 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Haven't seen it posted here yet, but a new study was published on Friday on the efficacy of different face masks and materials for blocking COVID droplets

link

The notable finding is that fleece face coverings and the popular neck gator option were measured to actually create more droplets than not wearing a mask at all - that is to say they are worse than wearing a mask. 

Interesting.  I've been wearing a gaiter when I've been out of the house (or a surgical or KN95, depending on whether I expect to be in closer proximity to people).  I don't get how it could be worse than no mask at all.  It has to catch at least something.  I guess I will use my surgical masks except when riding my bike. 

[kevwun 15,774]

I have a gaiter for fishing and my chin stubble pokes through it.  I imagine it creates more droplets when it's breathed or coughed in to.  Like spraying water through a screen door.  More droplets equal more chances to infect someone.

Edited August 10, 2020 by kevwun

[jimmyjazz 45,899]

5 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Interesting.  I've been wearing a gaiter when I've been out of the house (or a surgical or KN95, depending on whether I expect to be in closer proximity to people).  I don't get how it could be worse than no mask at all.  It has to catch at least something.  I guess I will use my surgical masks except when riding my bike. 

While I don't know the details of the analysis, I'm not sure the chart above indicates a gaiter is actually worse than nothing at all, because the error bars are pretty wide.  I think it may be more an indication of measurement noise.

[Captainant 27,654]

7 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Interesting.  I've been wearing a gaiter when I've been out of the house (or a surgical or KN95, depending on whether I expect to be in closer proximity to people).  I don't get how it could be worse than no mask at all.  It has to catch at least something.  I guess I will use my surgical masks except when riding my bike. 

From the results section:

We noticed that speaking through some masks (particularly the neck fleece) seemed to disperse the largest droplets into a multitude of smaller droplets (see Supplementary Fig. S5), which explains the apparent increase in droplet count relative to no mask in that case. Considering that smaller particles are airborne longer than large droplets (larger droplets sink faster), the use of such a mask might be counterproductive. Furthermore, the performance of the valved N95 mask is likely affected by the exhalation valve, which opens for strong outwards airflow. While the valve does not compromise the protection of the wearer, it can decrease protection of persons surrounding the wearer. In comparison, the performance of the fitted, non-valved N95 mask was far superior.

edit: Kevwun nailed it

Edited August 10, 2020 by Captainant

[DDD Dad 14,332]

Well that settles it. No more gaiters for me. While I’m fairly confident I’m not a spreader I wouldn’t want to risk harming anyone.

[TXSG8R 3,362]

1 hour ago, kevwun said:

I have a gaiter for fishing and my chin stubble pokes through it.  I imagine it creates more droplets when it's breathed or coughed in to.  Like spraying water through a screen door.  More droplets equal more chances to infect someone.

I have a neck gaiter with a charcoal filter insert.  Im planning on cutting up an N95 to stuff in there instead.  

[Judge Roybeanbag 11,819]

14 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

I have a neck gaiter with a charcoal filter insert.  Im planning on cutting up an N95 to stuff in there instead.  

Dude, just wear a ball gag and stuff cotton in your nose!  JK.  I was fortunate enough when my dad died last year to end up with a box of medical supplies that included 50 surgical masks.  

[TXSG8R 3,362]

3 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Dude, just wear a ball gag and stuff cotton in your nose!  JK.  I was fortunate enough when my dad died last year to end up with a box of medical supplies that included 50 surgical masks.  

Yea, I've got plenty of masks,  A neck gaiter seems like it will be easier to deal with on a job site than a mask yanking on my ears all day.  

[WhatTheBuck 28,776]

7 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

wife's coworker just lost a cousin last week and mom last night to covid19

It is what it is. 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11,819]

3 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

Yea, I've got plenty of masks,  A neck gaiter seems like it will be easier to deal with on a job site than a mask yanking on my ears all day.  

Yeah definitely.  

[JimmyJames 12,271]

5 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

It is what it is. 

I wish them well.

[Bozo_Casanova 26,444]

3 hours ago, Captainant said:

Haven't seen it posted here yet, but a new study was published on Friday on the efficacy of different face masks and materials for blocking COVID droplets

link

The notable finding is that fleece face coverings and the popular neck gator option were measured to actually create more droplets than not wearing a mask at all - that is to say they are worse than wearing a mask. 

I saw the fleece but not the gaiter result. Can you point it out?

[DDD Dad 14,332]

I saw the fleece but not the gaiter result. Can you point it out?

If you look carefully gaiter is defined as fleece.

[Celery Man 20,934]

43 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

I have a neck gaiter with a charcoal filter insert.  Im planning on cutting up an N95 to stuff in there instead.  

bob stoops has a neck goiter with a lambskin insert so you're in shitty company

[tantric superman 4,667]

Oh.  I thought someone was going to link to a neck goiter mask option.

[relapse98 634]

3 hours ago, Celery Man said:

I've termed it 'Ostrich Summer'. They stuck their heads in the sand, ignoring what they should do and instead doing what they want to go.
Thanks yall, appreciate it.

[pantone159 719]

52 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

If you look carefully gaiter is defined as fleece.

That confused me. What I call 'fleece' is not what my neck gaiter (Buff) is made of.

I wear an N95 when I go inside places, and I usually pull my Buff over that, it looks a lot better. But maybe now that makes me look like I aint doin it right.

 

[Captainant 27,654]

They included pictures of all the masks they tested, apologies for leaving em out

#11 is their "fleece"

[Ted Lange 16,084]

From the Sturgis rally 

 

 

[Sawbonz 27,547]

6 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

From the Sturgis rally 

 

 

Well he ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed

[Cairn Horn88 8,262]

7 hours ago, Fletch said:

So I talked to an old friend of mine from high school for the first time in a few years. He apparently got conned by trump and he’s now a devoted member of the quote. Anyways, he was telling me this covid pandemic is really a liberal hoax to hide the real virus. Abortion. Yes. He thinks there’s an epidemic of.....abortions. 

You need a new friend.  There’s no cure for stupidity.

[Cairn Horn88 8,262]

https://today.statesman.com/express/monday--aug--10--2020/11?utm_source=express-edition&utm_medium=email

 

When the latest coronavirus emerged, Jason McLellan and his team were ready to take action.

McLellan, an associate professor of molecular biosciences at the University of Texas, has been studying respiratory diseases for years. In 2017, McLellan’s postdoctoral researcher Nianshuang Wang identified genetic mutations necessary to stabilize a key component of diseases like MERS, also a coronavirus.

So when Chinese researchers shared the genetic sequence of the new coronavirus on Jan. 10, UT researchers were able to quickly map the virus and inject it with previously-discovered mutations, allowing the researchers to freeze a key protein in a way that would become essential for creating a vaccine.

“Now every pretty much everybody’s using them,” McLellan said. “I think four of the five leading coronavirus vaccines all contain the stabilizing proteins my lab designed.”

Several major companies, bankrolled by billions of dollars from the federal government, are in a race to complete clinical trials for their version of a coronavirus vaccine. It can normally take years for a vaccine to pass through clinical tests before it becomes available to the public, but the process has been expedited over the past several months for coronavirus vaccine candidates from companies including Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, Novavax and Moderna.

Edited August 11, 2020 by Cairn Horn88

[Nivek 16,923]

Corona starting to hit my extended family. Fortunately they are all being responsible, ah fuck, who am I kidding. They are Floridians.

[Anastasis 23,469]

37 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

https://today.statesman.com/express/monday--aug--10--2020/11?utm_source=express-edition&utm_medium=email

 

When the latest coronavirus emerged, Jason McLellan and his team were ready to take action.

McLellan, an associate professor of molecular biosciences at the University of Texas, has been studying respiratory diseases for years. In 2017, McLellan’s postdoctoral researcher Nianshuang Wang identified genetic mutations necessary to stabilize a key component of diseases like MERS, also a coronavirus.

So when Chinese researchers shared the genetic sequence of the new coronavirus on Jan. 10, UT researchers were able to quickly map the virus and inject it with previously-discovered mutations, allowing the researchers to freeze a key protein in a way that would become essential for creating a vaccine.

“Now every pretty much everybody’s using them,” McLellan said. “I think four of the five leading coronavirus vaccines all contain the stabilizing proteins my lab designed.”

Several major companies, bankrolled by billions of dollars from the federal government, are in a race to complete clinical trials for their version of a coronavirus vaccine. It can normally take years for a vaccine to pass through clinical tests before it becomes available to the public, but the process has been expedited over the past several months for coronavirus vaccine candidates from companies including Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, Novavax and Moderna.

That's pretty cool.  Hope UT gets paid. 

[Gatorubet 30,211]

https://today.statesman.com/express/monday--aug--10--2020/2?utm_source=express-edition&utm_medium=email

By

Asher Price

Monday at 6:20 PM

More than a fifth of Texans taking the coronavirus test are currently testing positive, according to new state statistics.

Over the past week, the average rate of Texans testing positive for the virus among those tested — known as the positivity rate — was reported on Monday as 21%.

State health officials on Monday also reported 31 additional deaths attributed to the coronavirus, bringing the pandemic death toll in Texas to 8,490.

Those deaths occurred over the week to 10 days prior to when they were reported as state officials are now using death certificates to tally COVID-19 fatalities.

The figures released Monday are a departure from recent fatality tallies, which have approached 300. On Friday, the state reported 293 deaths from COVID-19.

A spokesman for the Texas Department of State Health Services said there have been "very low death numbers on Mondays" — possibly, he said, because few death certificates are filed on Sundays.

Officials also announced 4,455 new known COVID-19 cases, bringing the current statewide tally to 490,817 cases. Only two other states — California and Florida — have reported more cases.

Slightly less than 7,500 people were being treated for COVID-19 in Texas hospitals, according to the Texas Department of State Health Services. That continues a downward trend seen since mid-July, when more than 10,000 people were hospitalized in Texas with COVID-19.

The 21% positivity rate is part of a two-week uptick since the end of July, when the rate hovered around 12%.

Gov. Greg Abbott, who issued a statewide mask mandate in early July amid a rapid rise in cases and hospitalizations, has said anything over 10% is cause for concern.

On Monday, Abbott took to Twitter to remind Texans that there are over 1,740 testing sites statewide.

The high positivity rates suggest that the coronavirus is spreading not only through cities but also rural areas — that "we're going through a peak here in Texas," said Luis Ostrosky, professor of infectious disease and epidemiology at the University of Texas Health Science Center in Houston.

Another explanation is that "we're experiencing what I call 'test fatigue,'" he said. "People think it's a hassle, that they don't really need to be tested unless they have symptoms. If the people getting tested have symptoms, if they're the ones willing to go through the trouble to get tested, that increases the pre-test likelihood of a positive. Only people that are symptomatic are really motivated to know are the ones going to get tested."

The number of tests administered statewide has dropped precipitously.

The number of tests administered statewide has dropped precipitously to a seven-day daily average of 34,200 on Sunday from a seven-day average high of over 66,000 reported on July 23.

"I've always thought you're never going to get a handle on this outbreak until the testing is painless and ubiquitous — at the doctor's office, at your workplace, at school. It's still kind of a big production, you have to stand in line for a couple of hours, and sometimes you don't get results quickly."

Results of tests in the Austin area have taken as long as two weeks.

Holy shit!

Edited August 11, 2020 by Gatorubet

[Fletch 5,800]

7 hours ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

You need a new friend.  There’s no cure for stupidity.

Hadn’t seen him in years, ran into him and started talking then he went full deep state trump cult. I plan on never seeing him again 

[Tom 2,959]

11 hours ago, TXSG8R said:

Yea, I've got plenty of masks,  A neck gaiter seems like it will be easier to deal with on a job site than a mask yanking on my ears all day.  

 

To each their own.  I started with a neck gaiter back in March but found that much material hugging my face and neck too hot in Texas.  It seemed like it was the hardest to breathe in.

[Aqua Buddha 14,590]

Russia says they have a vaccine.  M'kay.

Mark it down.  Within a month, internet "doctors" will be telling us that the Russian vaccine is perfectly sage but "they" aren't letting us take it and most Republicans will easily take that bait.

[Goredho 17,399]

Lol, What could be more 2020 than Russia finding the cure to the “Chinese flu” 90 days out from the US election?

[Anastasis 23,469]

In Russia, Vaccine approves Phase III trial. 

[Pig Bellmont 8,712]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/europe/russia-coronavirus-vaccine-approval-intl/index.html
 

Just a few minor concerns: “despite concerns about its safety, effectiveness and over whether the country has cut essential corners in development...” 

[Anastasis 23,469]

We should all want to see Russia roll that shit out as widely as possible. The tech they are using is in concept very similar to the Oxford approach, an adenovirus vector that was originally developed for Ebola.  There are some key differences, but very similar in concept. Let the fucking Russians take the first crack at the first real world safety study. If they start growing vodka paws out of their forehead it will be an important safety signal that we can use.  In reality, I think that we are all on the same timeline, these are just using semantics to spike the football on the west and claim that they were first to space.   

[4th&Five 41,525]

 

[Ghost of LL 15,531]

Yep--Imma gonna rush right out and get injected with an untested Russian vaccine.

[Bigpoppapump 529]

4 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Yep--Imma gonna rush right out and get injected with an untested Russian vaccine.

It'll at least keep you hammered for a week or two.

[4th&Five 41,525]

Back to school!

 

[Anastasis 23,469]

8 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Yep--Imma gonna rush right out and get injected with an untested Russian vaccine.

Lot's of people rushing out to enroll in Phase III trials here.  This is really not that different.  The western media is really getting worked up about this. Which was precisely the point of the announcement I think. 

[4th&Five 41,525]

Millions of people in this country right now would trust Putin over Fauci. Including our president. 

Edited August 11, 2020 by 4th&Five

[Ghost of LL 15,531]

6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Lot's of people rushing out to enroll in Phase III trials here.  This is really not that different.  The western media is really getting worked up about this. Which was precisely the point of the announcement I think. 

Yeah--I'm not doing that, either.

[Anastasis 23,469]

3 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Yeah--I'm not doing that, either.

Roger that.  I've considered giving it a run myself, but I ain't going to all that trouble just to be randomized to placebo.  Russia is essentially running their Phase III live in real world.  

 

[Captainant 27,654]

38 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Russia is essentially running their Phase III live in real world.  

in the tech world, we call this "testing in production"

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Glad it's not our country 

[WhatTheBuck 28,776]

2 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/europe/russia-coronavirus-vaccine-approval-intl/index.html
 

Just a few minor concerns: “despite concerns about its safety, effectiveness and over whether the country has cut essential corners in development...” 

Trump should prove his loyalty to Putin by volunteering to take the Russian vaccine. 

[4th&Five 41,525]

 

[Aqua Buddha 14,590]

Can't wait for the Trumpkin anti vaxxers to start schilling for the Russian vaccine after Trump tells us it's "perfectly safe."

[Nope 3,114]

33 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Trump should prove his loyalty to Putin by volunteering to take the Russian vaccine. 

Y’all know Trump is going to buy Putin’s entire stock, right?

”Your scientists do great work, you don’t want to keep any for yourself?”

”No no, people here very strong and don’t like medicine. You take all and be American hero.”

[SizzleChest 8,283]

14 hours ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

https://today.statesman.com/express/monday--aug--10--2020/11?utm_source=express-edition&utm_medium=email

 

When the latest coronavirus emerged, Jason McLellan and his team were ready to take action.

McLellan, an associate professor of molecular biosciences at the University of Texas, has been studying respiratory diseases for years. In 2017, McLellan’s postdoctoral researcher Nianshuang Wang identified genetic mutations necessary to stabilize a key component of diseases like MERS, also a coronavirus.

So when Chinese researchers shared the genetic sequence of the new coronavirus on Jan. 10, UT researchers were able to quickly map the virus and inject it with previously-discovered mutations, allowing the researchers to freeze a key protein in a way that would become essential for creating a vaccine.

“Now every pretty much everybody’s using them,” McLellan said. “I think four of the five leading coronavirus vaccines all contain the stabilizing proteins my lab designed.”

Several major companies, bankrolled by billions of dollars from the federal government, are in a race to complete clinical trials for their version of a coronavirus vaccine. It can normally take years for a vaccine to pass through clinical tests before it becomes available to the public, but the process has been expedited over the past several months for coronavirus vaccine candidates from companies including Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, Novavax and Moderna.

What starts here unfucks the world.

[Guest Lobo]

i read “what starts here unfucks the world” aloud  in Cronkite’s voice and it tested “awesome”

Edited August 11, 2020 by Lobo

[SizzleChest 8,283]

The science behind the Russian vaccine is not that controversial or scary.

What's scary is their manufacturing and supply chain quality.  So, you can get their vaccine, but it won't work at all or fucks up your immune system temporarily.