CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[bolverk 29671]

There was a poster whose handle was akhornfan, who was really active in the DT thread as a denier/skeptic in early March.

[tx 3 putt 76912]

10 minutes ago, bolverk said:

There was a poster whose handle was akhornfan, who was really active in the DT thread as a denier/skeptic in early March.

i like where this is going 

[Hank Kingsley 20922]

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

This is where I have a distinct advantage. I work in hospitals where there is still quite a bit of Covid. When I encounter a dumbfuck who won’t wear a mask, I take mine off, get up close, and let them know. Haven’t had one yet not back down

lol I think I posted about it here but I had an old man get weird and creepy with me about wearing a mask (“You’re too pretty to be covering your face with that thing. You don’t believe in all that do you?”)

So I yanked down my mask and pointed to my hospital badge and invited him to lick my face so he could prove how fake it all was.

He about tripped over his own feet backing away from me.

[NWBuck 8552]

2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

...and invited him to lick my face so he could prove how fake it all was.

Wait... Was that just a one time offer, or is this still on the table? 

#AskingForAFriend 

[Bookman 4639]

9 hours ago, Jive Turkey said:

Which one of y’all is this? This guy posts here. 

 

What an asshole.

[Brisketexan 105098]

What an asshole.

You misspelled “fine, freedom-loving American.” #MAGA

[Wanker Bob 379]

13 hours ago, Jive Turkey said:

Which one of y’all is this? This guy posts here. 

 

Now I know why that poll showed Alaskans hate Texas more than any other state. 

[Foosters 17850]

So that's what happened to FCHorn.

[JimmyJames 12271]

3 minutes ago, Foosters said:

So that's what happened to FCHorn.

I’m going with Johnny Sack on vacation in Alaska. 

[4th&Five 41526]

 

[RPM 26318]

I work overnights and listen to the FOX Sports feed on The Ticket. I don't know the guy's name, but the late light FOX host is livid they're not having fans at games. It's like he has no concept of how communicable diseases work. He won't come out and endorse Trump or the admin, but he whines obsessively about it and does everything but rubberstamp an endorsement including bunk science logic. Does nobody get that if we start allowing crowds it will blossom again? Boofuckinhoo if you can't crowd into an overpriced stadium to buy overpriced concessions. Toughen the fuck up.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

7 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

I’m going with Johnny Sack on vacation in Alaska. 

He’s probably up there on his annual baby seal clubbing retreat he does with his buds.  

So I may have missed people discussing this but is anybody else getting blown up on Facebook about the CDC saying only a few thousand people have died from COVID and most of the people have other conditions that they died from.  I looked at the article real quick and it showed stuff like pneumonia but these right wing idiots are now saying that pneumonia doesn’t count as a COVID death even though the person got Covid WHICH LED to pneumonia.  I guess they are reading the data incorrectly or being fed the wrong conclusions and this is the idiot argument of the day?

[HalfSack Horn 149]

7 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

He’s probably up there on his annual baby seal clubbing retreat he does with his buds.  

So I may have missed people discussing this but is anybody else getting blown up on Facebook about the CDC saying only a few thousand people have died from COVID and most of the people have other conditions that they died from.  I looked at the article real quick and it showed stuff like pneumonia but these right wing idiots are now saying that pneumonia doesn’t count as a COVID death even though the person got Covid WHICH LED to pneumonia.  I guess they are reading the data incorrectly or being fed the wrong conclusions and this is the idiot argument of the day?

Yup.  Literally had one of my good friends post this on Instagram(I deleted FB in June).  I’m made the costly error of trying to point out the why(what goes on the official death certificate).  They blocked me from seeing their stuff and i didnt even remark publicly.  
 

it’s slam my head against the wall shit.  I don’t fucking get how we have this many idiots in our country. 
 

Someone in another thread posted about a car wreck and someone dying of blunt force trauma.  The cause of death is going to be blunt force trauma and not car wreck, but the car wreck led to it.  It’s maddening.

[JimmyJames 12271]

22 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

He’s probably up there on his annual baby seal clubbing retreat he does with his buds.  

So I may have missed people discussing this but is anybody else getting blown up on Facebook about the CDC saying only a few thousand people have died from COVID and most of the people have other conditions that they died from.  I looked at the article real quick and it showed stuff like pneumonia but these right wing idiots are now saying that pneumonia doesn’t count as a COVID death even though the person got Covid WHICH LED to pneumonia.  I guess they are reading the data incorrectly or being fed the wrong conclusions and this is the idiot argument of the day?

Yep. A guy I know is smart, but also aggy, posted this bullshit on facebook. I’m not gonna bother to respond. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

Although I’m thinking about becoming a serious concern troll on facebook.

“So if only 9000 dies does this means it was a democratic hoax all alongs?”

[Aqua Buddha 14591]

I’m amazed at how quickly the right can disseminate info on social media.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I’m amazed at how quickly the right can disseminate info on social media.

I have no doubt that if a Russia troll put out a story about how Putin is best friends with Joe Biden and controls him because Joe owes billions to Putin and his oligarch friends that it would be disseminated to 100 million conservative Republicans within hours of the troll typing it on his keyboard.  About 99% of them would believe it is the real tragedy for this country.  

[Jhawkmvp 1489]

On 8/29/2020 at 3:32 AM, washparkhorn said:

Korean Massk-Hole gets the tables turned on him . . . (Massk-hole wearing the clashing plaids):

 

That guy is most likely drunk as a skunk on soju.  All the fights I have seen here involved very drunk middle aged or older males and looked similar with lots of ineffective flailing with little damage done. Unfortunately here in South Korea, being drunk is a legitimate defense for all kinds of bad behavior such as rape, physical violence, etc. They will probably still get punished, but often get a reduced sentence. Also paying the victim blood money, or offering to pay, if the victim declines, also usually results in a lighter punishment. The whole face saving thing from Confuscian culture has a big influence still in the South Korean justice system. 

I have not seen anyone unmasked on the subway, anytime recently, here in Busan, but Seoul and Daegu were/are the hot spots. However, a lot of Koreans got complacent with mask wearing and social distancing and cases are starting to increase again, primarily in Seoul. In my area, outside on the street maybe 50-60% are still wearing masks; however, 80-90% wear them inside stores and other indoor public spaces still. If I travel to Seoul, my work requires me to quarantine for 2 weeks, as most past and current cases are happening there. 

Edited August 31, 2020 by Jhawkmvp

[TXSG8R 3362]

7 minutes ago, Jhawkmvp said:

That guy is most likely drunk as a skunk on soju.  All the fights I have seen here involved very drunk middle aged or older males and looked similar with lots of ineffective flailing with little damage done. Unfortunately here in South Korea, being drunk is a legitimate defense for all kinds of bad behavior such as rape, physical violence, etc. They will probably still get punished, but often get a reduced sentence. Also paying the victim blood money, or offering to pay, if the victim declines, also usually results in a lighter punishment. The whole face saving thing from Confuscian culture has a big influence still in the South Korean justice system. 

I have not seen anyone unmasked on the subway, anytime recently, here in Busan, but Seoul and Daegu were/are the hot spots. However, a lot of Koreans got complacent with mask wearing and social distancing and cases are starting to increase again, primarily in Seoul. In my area, outside on the street maybe 50-60% are still wearing masks; however, 80-90% wear them inside stores and other indoor public spaces still. If I travel to Seoul, my work requires me to quarantine for 2 weeks, as most past and current cases are happening there. 

Yea, late night rides on the subway in Seoul was always a good time.  Old guys would be fucking smashed, but the majority would just pass out and ride until someone booted them I guess.  Or maybe their subway radar even worked through being shitfaced.  I've seen people knocked the fuck out with headphones on in those subways and they would somehow pop up when their station was called.  

Their justice system is weird.  They do some degree of mutual blame on almost everything.  You could be sitting at a red light and get rear-ended and you would still carry some share of the blame just for being there.  

[AngryDragon 270]

30 minutes ago, Jhawkmvp said:

That guy is most likely drunk as a skunk on soju.  All the fights I have seen here involved very drunk middle aged or older males and looked similar with lots of ineffective flailing with little damage done. Unfortunately here in South Korea, being drunk is a legitimate defense for all kinds of bad behavior such as rape, physical violence, etc. They will probably still get punished, but often get a reduced sentence. Also paying the victim blood money, or offering to pay, if the victim declines, also usually results in a lighter punishment. The whole face saving thing from Confuscian culture has a big influence still in the South Korean justice system. 

I have not seen anyone unmasked on the subway, anytime recently, here in Busan, but Seoul and Daegu were/are the hot spots. However, a lot of Koreans got complacent with mask wearing and social distancing and cases are starting to increase again, primarily in Seoul. In my area, outside on the street maybe 50-60% are still wearing masks; however, 80-90% wear them inside stores and other indoor public spaces still. If I travel to Seoul, my work requires me to quarantine for 2 weeks, as most past and current cases are happening there. 

I've read most of the cases are popping up from the right wing anti mask protest that occured and a number of churches that insist on large gatherings. 

[Jhawkmvp 1489]

The first huge outbreak in South Korea was centered on one person breaking quarantine and going to some huge (thousands of people) religious services in Daegu. Unfortunately, every country has it's fair share of complete imbeciles and religious nutters who think their faith is a shield versus infectious disease.   The best you can hope for is that the sane outnumber the idiots by several magnitudes. 

[Fudge Nuggets 19190]

I liked it where at around 0:30, the younger dude walks up to the old man not wearing a mask and starts pointing.  "You want some of this, old man.  Come get you some."

[NWBuck 8552]

3 hours ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

He’s probably up there on his annual baby seal clubbing retreat he does with his buds.  

So I may have missed people discussing this but is anybody else getting blown up on Facebook about the CDC saying only a few thousand people have died from COVID and most of the people have other conditions that they died from.  I looked at the article real quick and it showed stuff like pneumonia but these right wing idiots are now saying that pneumonia doesn’t count as a COVID death even though the person got Covid WHICH LED to pneumonia.  I guess they are reading the data incorrectly or being fed the wrong conclusions and this is the idiot argument of the day?

I've responded that we should all revolt against the people who wasted all our money on HIV research and treatments, since no one has ever died of HIV.

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

5 hours ago, HalfSack Horn said:

Yup.  Literally had one of my good friends post this on Instagram(I deleted FB in June).  I’m made the costly error of trying to point out the why(what goes on the official death certificate).  They blocked me from seeing their stuff and i didnt even remark publicly.  
 

it’s slam my head against the wall shit.  I don’t fucking get how we have this many idiots in our country. 
 

Someone in another thread posted about a car wreck and someone dying of blunt force trauma.  The cause of death is going to be blunt force trauma and not car wreck, but the car wreck led to it.  It’s maddening.

I counter with ms13. If someone has cancer but is killed by ms13, it's just a cancer death right?

[WhatTheBuck 28777]

Katrina didn't destroy your home, the flood did, and you don't have flood insurance. Sorry, sucker. 

[HenryJames 66045]

 

[HenryJames 66045]

[Zepol87 9185]

13 hours ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

So I may have missed people discussing this but is anybody else getting blown up on Facebook about the CDC saying only a few thousand people have died from COVID and most of the people have other conditions that they died from.  I looked at the article real quick and it showed stuff like pneumonia but these right wing idiots are now saying that pneumonia doesn’t count as a COVID death even though the person got Covid WHICH LED to pneumonia.  I guess they are reading the data incorrectly or being fed the wrong conclusions and this is the idiot argument of the day?

This is all I have started seeing since yesterday. Insane

[4th&Five 41526]

 

[Eastwood 4394]

Trump retweeted a random QAnon account that was quoting a Facebook post that was misinterpreting CDC data and now political and societal tensions may get higher than ever over it. A lot of people are clinging to that 6% number, which is actually the number of deaths due to COVID without any other underlying diseases, and coming up with all kinds of rationalizations.

[Mo Horn 8832]

Sleep well, Dotard's got this. 

[mdmost 43001]

DT thread- yeah but it will be people who were going to die regardless so not that big a deal. 

[bolverk 29671]

2 hours ago, mdmost said:

DT thread- yeah but it will be people who were going to die regardless so not that big a deal. 

Those same posters are trumpeting the lack of an outbreak due to Sturgis, because "only" 100 bikers caught it. What they're neglecting is that South Dakota has seen a big uptick in cases since the event, especially in the counties around the Black Hills which has become a hot spot.

Check out the hot spot map:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/south-dakota-coronavirus-cases.html

Sturgis ended just before the surge in cases in South Dakota.

Source: https://doh.sd.gov/news/coronavirus.aspx

 

Edited August 31, 2020 by bolverk

[jimmyjazz 45903]

3 hours ago, Eastwood said:

Trump retweeted a random QAnon account that was quoting a Facebook post that was misinterpreting CDC data and now political and societal tensions may get higher than ever over it. A lot of people are clinging to that 6% number, which is actually the number of deaths due to COVID without any other underlying diseases, and coming up with all kinds of rationalizations.

It's not even that.  It's the % of death certificates citing Covid that ONLY cite Covid.  It's an inaccurate report by the certifying medical authority -- nobody "dies of Covid".  They die of respiratory failure, stroke, heart attack, kidney failure, whatever.  When a doc lists comorbidities it is not an assertion that Covid was not the acute cause of death.

[Bullneck 19079]

15 hours ago, Jhawkmvp said:

That guy is most likely drunk as a skunk on soju. 

Speaking from experience, that is quite easy to do.  (Frantically Googling: "soju for sale near me now").

[DDD Dad 14335]

2 hours ago, mdmost said:

DT thread- yeah but it will be people who were going to die regardless so not that big a deal. 

Well we're all gonna die eventually, so what's the big deal?

[bolverk 29671]

There was an interesting Op/Ed in the NYTimes this morning looking at the backlash in Germany. The tl/dr is that it's the same group of no-big-deal, Q conspirators, and far right wingers who are riling up a crowd of groups from the island of Misfit Toys. 

Interesting read, to me, at least:

Meet Germany’s Bizarre Anti-Lockdown Protesters
A strange mix of conspiracy theorists, far-right extremists and ordinary citizens have taken to the streets. Why?

They’re out on the streets again.

On Saturday, around 38,000 people marched in Berlin, calling for an end to pandemic restrictions. It was a bizarre mix of people: families and senior citizens were joined by right-wing extremists, some sporting swastika tattoos. Protesters brandished signs reading “Take off the slave masks,” while others held up peace flags. Many shouted “We are the people” and others called on President Trump and President Vladimir Putin of Russia to “liberate” Germany.

In a scene bound to be inscribed in the country’s history, a group carrying the “Reichsflagge,” the black, white and red flag of the German Empire that served as the basis for that used by the Nazi regime, broke through a police barrier and attempted to enter the Reichstag, the Parliament building.

It was a terrifying escalation in a sequence of protests against the country’s response to the pandemic, beginning in April in the southwestern city of Stuttgart. They have since spread across the country, with varying success — sometimes bringing 250 people out, sometimes 5,000. At the start of the month, they crossed a threshold: Over 30,000 protesters gathered in Berlin on Aug. 1.

These demonstrations are something of a mystery. One of the strangest things about them is that there is hardly anything to protest: Most restrictions, never as strict as in some other European countries, have been lifted.

So who are the protesters? What brings them to the streets? And are they here to stay?

Spoiler

 

A central figure is Michael Ballweg, a Stuttgart-based entrepreneur who runs a software firm. Mr. Ballweg, who did not respond to an interview request, is the founder of Querdenken 711 — “Querdenken” means “lateral thinking” and 0711 is Stuttgart’s area code — the organization that has registered most of the demonstrations, including Saturday’s. (While people can gather and protest without asking the authorities’ permission in Germany, all protests in open public spaces must be registered with the police in advance.)

“I am here today,” Mr. Ballweg said in his opening address to the Berlin protest on Aug. 1, “because I dislike the world the federal government presents to me” — a world he depicted as one of control, restrictions and fear. Though he does not outright question the existence of the virus, he claims that it is less dangerous than the government says and that the restrictions are excessive. “There is no pandemic,” he has said.

He seems to believe in conspiracy theories. During Mr. Ballweg’s opening speech, he appeared to reference the American group QAnon, reciting a phrase frequently used in social media posts linked to the group: “Where we go one, we go all.” He also referred to Mr. Trump, who many hoped would “save them all” — and were now disappointed to see him promote wearing masks.

Mr. Ballweg is the tip of the iceberg. At a protest in Stuttgart on May 9, Ken Jebsen, a former public radio host who was fired for anti-Semitic remarks and became a prominent YouTuber, claimed that the virus was “a Trojan horse” designed to “make the state and the lobbyists and companies that give it advice even more powerful, and citizens even more powerless.”

Similar views are legion. Wolfgang Wodarg, a physician and former member of Parliament for the Social Democrats frequently cited by protesters, has claimed among other things that new vaccines would alter people “genetically” and portrayed the media coverage of the pandemic as part of an effort to benefit the “greedy” pharmaceutical industry.

Skepticism about the danger of the virus is common to most protesters. Sometimes that’s relatively benign: A protester from Hamburg, for example, said she doubted the virus’s severity because she could not immediately see either overcrowded hospitals or “anybody breaking down” in the streets. But fueled by conspiracy theories and exacerbated by distrust in the traditional media, such skepticism amounts to a potent worldview.

It’s little surprise that the protests have drawn their fair share of far-right adherents. Right-wing extremist groups supported the large Aug. 1 demonstration in Berlin — organizing rides to the city, for example — and even dominated some of the earlier, smaller protests in the capital. Figures such as the right-wing extremist and anti-Semitic YouTuber “Der Volkslehrer” (“The People’s Teacher”) have spoken at some events, which have even been attended by officials from the far-right populist party Alternative for Germany.

Saturday’s protest, which turned out to be a parade of far-right leaders, regulars and newcomers, took things further. Right-wing groups were out in larger numbers than four weeks ago — and behaved more aggressively, culminating in the attempt to enter the Parliament building.

Even so, the protesters on the whole are not right-wing true believers. But they do share some characteristics. Those who have been badly affected economically by the lockdown — for example, people who have lost jobs in the service industry — “are not flocking to the protests,” Simon Teune, a sociologist at Technical University of Berlin who has been studying the protests, told me. “My impression is that these are mostly middle-class people with above-average education,” he said.

For all they share in outlook and socioeconomic position, the protesters are far from united: Talk of a new anti-lockdown movement may be overstated. “I assume that both the protests and their leaders will disappear again,” Mr. Teune said. “What they are lacking to form a long-term and more organized political movement is a common goal.”

But it would be wrong to dismiss the protests as insignificant. Behind this strange coalition of ordinary citizens, conspiracy theorists and far-right extremists is the belief that they have discovered a hidden truth, which has been either ignored or nefariously concealed — the same impulse that fuels populist movements across the world. Such conviction, Mr. Teune pointed out, can spill into violence.

What’s more, the depth of distrust in the government and the traditional media is troubling. Technology plays a role: The protests would probably not be possible without the closed environments of Telegram channels and WhatsApp groups — and they’re unthinkable without YouTube’s algorithm, which keeps showing you more and more of the same once you’ve watched the first Wolfgang Wodarg video.

The weekend gave Germany a lot to chew on. Though the protests themselves may drop away, the feeling of resentful suspicion — and the tools that feed it — will still be with us.

 

 

[Goredho 17399]

On 8/30/2020 at 10:44 AM, 4th&Five said:

 

It seems like Covid-19 and its impact can be largely controlled if individuals elect and/or are allowed to:

* avoid large gatherings (I include avoiding offices/cubical farms in this)
* wear masks when in public

I live in a part of Colorado where tourism is the economy.  I know a guy here who runs a VRBO property management business.  Since Memorial Day when things started to be relaxed, he's seen 30% more bookings for his clients over the previous highest year for June-August.  So we are getting people from all over the country here in numbers larger than ever seen before, but we have not had a huge outbreak.

Common sense, and letting expertise and data guide the strategy seems to have worked.  Our governor was quick to shut down the ski resorts going into spring break, pursued testing aggressively, reopened cautiously and immediately put in a mandatory mask requirement when cases started to tick up slightly.  Almost all of the local businesses are enforcing masks, almost all the locals willingly accept it and our county shut down big events like the 4th of July celebration and the like so we aren't having huge gatherings of people.

The net result is a curve that flattened and has stayed flat while almost all of the small businesses dependent on tourism have already recouped their losses from earlier this year.  I know of two local businesses that will likely not reopen, and they both would likely have gone out of businesses anyway.

In short, Covid-19 isn't *that* bad assuming you have competent leadership in the government where you live and aren't completely surrounded by a bunch of fucking morons.

[27-25 2047]

3 minutes ago, Goredho said:

In short, Covid-19 isn't *that* bad assuming you have competent leadership in the government where you live and aren't completely surrounded by a bunch of fucking morons.

And here is the problem with this country in a nutshell.

[The Royal We 3072]

This is our concern Dude.

[Gap03 3304]

42 minutes ago, Goredho said:

In short, Covid-19 isn't *that* bad assuming you have competent leadership in the government where you live and aren't completely surrounded by a bunch of fucking morons.

[Bama Chick 28596]

In short, Covid-19 isn't *that* bad assuming you have competent leadership in the government where you live and aren't completely surrounded by a bunch of fucking morons.

[Biff Tannen 45676]

3 hours ago, Goredho said:

It seems like Covid-19 and its impact can be largely controlled if individuals elect and/or are allowed to:

* avoid large gatherings (I include avoiding offices/cubical farms in this)
* wear masks when in public

I live in a part of Colorado where tourism is the economy.  I know a guy here who runs a VRBO property management business.  Since Memorial Day when things started to be relaxed, he's seen 30% more bookings for his clients over the previous highest year for June-August.  So we are getting people from all over the country here in numbers larger than ever seen before, but we have not had a huge outbreak.

Common sense, and letting expertise and data guide the strategy seems to have worked.  Our governor was quick to shut down the ski resorts going into spring break, pursued testing aggressively, reopened cautiously and immediately put in a mandatory mask requirement when cases started to tick up slightly.  Almost all of the local businesses are enforcing masks, almost all the locals willingly accept it and our county shut down big events like the 4th of July celebration and the like so we aren't having huge gatherings of people.

The net result is a curve that flattened and has stayed flat while almost all of the small businesses dependent on tourism have already recouped their losses from earlier this year.  I know of two local businesses that will likely not reopen, and they both would likely have gone out of businesses anyway.

In short, Covid-19 isn't *that* bad assuming you have competent leadership in the government where you live and aren't completely surrounded by a bunch of fucking morons.

Yep.  Colorado has their shit together.  Texas...not so much.

[Bullneck 19079]

Johnny Sack is at it in Anchorage!!

[Bullneck 19079]

 

 

[TXSG8R 3362]

9 hours ago, Bullneck said:

Speaking from experience, that is quite easy to do.  (Frantically Googling: "soju for sale near me now").

Soju kettle hangovers are without a doubt the worst experiences I’ve ever had drinking. It’s an amazing level of drunk, but you fucking pay for it the next day. I started just sleeping in the bathtub of hotels after a night of kettles at Polly’s. 
 

edit: drinking soju was also the first time I was legitimately worried that I was watching someone die of alcohol poisoning. My roommate got special Olympics level drunk and we had to carry him back to a room. He passed out face down on a mattress on the floor. Then he started vomiting, without any of his body moving. We turned his head so he could breathe, but that was the weirdest shit I’ve ever seen. Just a soft hurk noise and then stuff would come out of his mouth while his body stayed completely still. 

Edited September 1, 2020 by TXSG8R

[gmr548 16576]

 

 

 

In short, Covid-19 isn't *that* bad assuming you have competent leadership in the government where you live and aren't completely surrounded by a bunch of fucking morons.

 

I know you're full of shit when you say you're from Colorado because you've obviously never been to the United States.

 

 

[Bullneck 19079]

11 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

Soju kettle hangovers are without a doubt the worst experiences I’ve ever had drinking. It’s an amazing level of drunk, but you fucking pay for it the next day. I started just sleeping in the bathtub of hotels after a night of kettles at Polly’s. 
 

edit: drinking soju was also the first time I was legitimately worried that I was watching someone die of alcohol poisoning. My roommate got special Olympics level drunk and we had to carry him back to a room. He passed out face down on a mattress on the floor. Then he started vomiting, without any of his body moving. We turned his head so he could breathe, but that was the weirdest shit I’ve ever seen. Just a soft hurk noise and then stuff would come out of his mouth while his body stayed completely still. 

[TXSG8R 3362]

Is Polly’s still standing?  Last time I was over there we rolled through Itaewon and hooker hill was a ghost town. Seemed like all the internationals found a new place to party. Itaweon was more shopping than anything else, and with Yongsan closing, I would guess that last little bit of fun is toast.