CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Anastasis 23469]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Apparently, never.  The agency providing the funding is the one with the right, but the process can be invoked by private party.

It's a real fucking web of bullshit. And there are lots of pigs at the trough.  It's not just evil pharma cashing in on tax payer investments, but a lot of the academic centers running that fucking game. Laundering tax payer investments to recognize royalties to kick up to the tower.

[Anastasis 23469]

2 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

Mrs. Bullneck works in the vaccine division of Big Pharma company.  They are looking at Q4 2021 as a reasonable timeframe for a vaccine to be available (from them).

I'll pass on Trumps Ruskie plutonium vaccine.

Which one.  If not by name, perhaps by mechanism.  One of the companies with a recombinant vax right?  They are furthest behind. Sanofi/GSK? 

[DigDug 1669]

48 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Person had [insert underlying conditions] for 10+ years and then contracted Covid, and died weeks later 

Trump supporter: he died of underlying condition obviously. Stop making it political!

You all have brain worms 

 

Let me ask you.  If you have diabetes and someone walks up and shoots you in the chest, what did you die of?

[Brisketexan 105096]

Let me ask you.  If you have diabetes and someone walks up and shoots you in the chest, what did you die of?

I just wanna know why you shot Wilford Brimley.

[ChiTownDoc 21152]

2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

lol She’s a traitor - she’s at Auburn.

Thanks for all the kind words - she’s got mild symptoms so hopefully she’ll be okay. I got her a pulse oximeter for her first aid kit so I told her to keep an eye on that.

I just hate the thought of her being all alone. Ugh.

Just know she’d rather be alone in that dorm room with WiFi for 2 weeks vs 2 weeks with no WiFi with your entire fam. 

Jokes aside, good luck to her...

[Dnaguy 11947]

6 hours ago, DigDug said:

Let me ask you.  If you have diabetes and someone walks up and shoots you in the chest, what did you die of?

What kind of bullets are they?

Are they sugar bullets?

If they’re sugar bullets, then the answer is obvious.

[PsychMike 1550]

10 hours ago, hookemATL said:

A meth cook is a kind of scientist. Right??

If you keep a chemistry lab book, then hell yeah! Just make sure you clearly indicate which direction the functional groups are angling off the chiral carbons, ok?

[markstanco 12574]

The fuck are you talking about?
His family said he died due to Covid and Lewy body dementia. 

According to family sources, Seaver, 75, died peacefully at his home in Calistoga, Calif., from complications from Lyme disease, dementia and COVID-19.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-tom-seaver-obituary-20200903-fyusabaogjepzf6uixn6476k5u-story.html

[Homercles 10205]

9 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

FUCK YOU. 
 

You are the asshole politicizing his death with your stupid ass 9k covid Facebook post death bullshit.

FUCK OFF ASSHOLE.

Well just go look at his recent post in the LOL thread, a guy playing squares with murders in NYC/Chicago and it’ll tell you everything you need to know about his viewpoint.  Oh and the people who pos repped it.  

[HenryJames 66043]

Unarmed black people was the second leading cause of death.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

You know what would be good, is if the company who developed this fabulous November surprise vaccine, stipulates that it has to be distributed via US Postal Service.

[4th&Five 41525]

DOING GREAT JOB!

 

[Anastasis 23469]

3 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

You know what would be good, is if the company who developed this fabulous November surprise vaccine, stipulates that it has to be distributed via US Postal Service.

Only if you want the vaccine to expire in transit. 

Seriously, the supply chain logistics are not trivial.  Most of the vaccines are requiring like -70 deg storage. 

 

ETA: here is a link to the storage and transport requirements they are prepping. Dry ice shipping containers, -70 storage on site, must be used within 10 days for one.  Frozen shipping, on site cold storage, 7-14 days for the other. 

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/phase-1-vaccination-planning-scenarios-8-27/e0b519d686f4dda5/full.pdf

 

 

Edited September 3, 2020 by Anastasis

[Continental Op 3934]

Nothing helps your candidacy like retweeting a picture of a Karen roundtable with a chyron that says "Some 2016 Trump supporters say they regret their vote." 

[hookemATL 11715]

AMERICA GOOD I MAKE ME DO!! BIDEN BAD DOINGS FOR NATION!  I AM HIGHLANDER!!!

[SizzleChest 8283]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Only if you want the vaccine to expire in transit. 

Seriously, the supply chain logistics are not trivial.  Most of the vaccines are requiring like -70 deg storage. 

Holy shit, I thought the lowest temp to maintain stability would be -20, but that would not be required for every vaccine.  Thankfully, the technology to track temps and humidity during shipment is pretty good these days.  But, I'm sure there is an expectation that somewhere between 1-5% of vaccines shipped will fall out of stability due to enviro issues.

[Biff Tannen 45676]

5 minutes ago, hookemATL said:

AMERICA GOOD I MAKE ME DO!! BIDEN BAD DOINGS FOR NATION!  I AM HIGHLANDER!!!

 

[Anastasis 23469]

2 minutes ago, SizzleChest said:

Holy shit, I thought the lowest temp to maintain stability would be -20, but that would not be required for every vaccine.  Thankfully, the technology to track temps and humidity during shipment is pretty good these days.  But, I'm sure there is an expectation that somewhere between 1-5% of vaccines shipped will fall out of stability due to enviro issues.

Apparently that is PFE's limitation.  The MRNA one is less restrictive (-20). These are going to work really well for distribution to the third world. 

 

 

From the NYT article: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/02/health/covid-19-vaccine-cdc-plans.html

The technical comparison of Vaccine A and Vaccine B has some echoes of what was discussed at an Aug. 26 meeting of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices of the C.D.C. At the meeting, Dr. Kathleen Dooling, a C.D.C. medical officer, laid out three scenarios: Vaccine A, or the Pfizer vaccine, is approved, Vaccine B, the Moderna vaccine, is approved, or both. The requirement that Pfizer’s vaccine be stored at minus 70 degrees Celsius would mean that it couldn’t be administered at most small sites, she said. The C.D.C. documents noted that orders of Vaccine A would go “to large administration sites only.” The Moderna vaccine requires storage at minus 20 degrees Celsius.

 

Another good discussion: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/08/31/cold-chain-and-colder-chain-distribution

And let’s qualify that earlier statement again: there’s a lot of infrastructure in the developed world for refrigerated cold-chain distribution. But what we’re looking at for the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech candidates, both of which are promising and are well into Phase II/III trials, is not just refrigeration. Moderna’s vaccine needs to be shipped and stored at -20 C (minus four Fahrenheit), while the Pfizer/BioNTech one needs to be at -70 C (-94 F). The former is enough of a challenge – freezer temperatures instead of refrigerator ones. But the latter. . .well, biology research labs all have freezers that go down that far (it’s where cell culture samples, oligonucleotide constructs, and recombinant proteins get stored), but you’re not going to find one down at the local pharmacy, which is perhaps where you were picturing lining up for a coronavirus shot.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

34 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Only if you want the vaccine to expire in transit. 

Seriously, the supply chain logistics are not trivial.  Most of the vaccines are requiring like -70 deg storage. 

 

ETA: here is a link to the storage and transport requirements they are prepping. Dry ice shipping containers, -70 storage on site, must be used within 10 days for one.  Frozen shipping, on site cold storage, 7-14 days for the other. 

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/phase-1-vaccination-planning-scenarios-8-27/e0b519d686f4dda5/full.pdf

 

 

Oh I understand, was just making sick joke.  When I worked for an old farmer/rancher, we once spent 2 days rounding up a bunch of cattle and vaccinating them against blackleg.  Turns out the old man left the vaccine boxes on the dashboard of his truck for a few hours.  We had to do it  all over again about 2 weeks later after a couple cows died.

Edited for CSB - when we went to examine one of the dead calves, was when I learned what the spey blade of a stockman's knife was intended to be used for.  The vet took out his pocket knife and neatly cut the hindquarter open.

Edited September 3, 2020 by Judge Roybeanbag

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

Also Takhzyro, the $50k per dose medicine I have to take once a month, has to be refrigerated.  

[Dnaguy 11947]

14 hours ago, hookemATL said:

A meth cook is a kind of scientist. Right??

Science? More arts and freidel crafts If you ask me.

[pantone159 719]

2 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

Science? More arts and freidel crafts If you ask me.

Just make sure to draw all the arrows where the electrons are going, or you will confuse yourself.

 

[RomaVicta 29905]

14 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Let consider an alternative.  Let's say that the CDC does nothing to communicate to governors that they need to be prepared to have a distribution network for vaccination in place by mid 4Q2020. 

This kind of reminds of movie or TV dialogue where the commander says something obvious. 

Lieutenant, we've got the suspect surrounded!

Make sure he doesn't get away! Watch all the doors and windows! I want that building sealed tighter than a Chinaman's ass!

I suspect those orders were superfluous. Of course, the cops are watching the windows and doors and thinking of Asian buttocks. The lieutenant may as well have ordered them to shoot any negroes that happen by. It's just assumed.

Same thing here. Surely the distribution networks were at the ready some time ago. If not, anyone in charge of such networks should be fired and maybe executed. Maybe the Aggie vaccine team had to be shaken awake, but surely no one else.

It's just political theater. Better political theater would be to share the stage: I'm pleased to announce that every state, working closely with this administration, is ready to distribute a vaccine swiftly when we inevitably develop one. 

But that's not President MeMeMe's style. 

[RomaVicta 29905]

11 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I just wanna know why you shot Wilford Brimley.

Why not?

[babysdaddy 2721]

1 hour ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Also Takhzyro, the $50k per dose medicine I have to take once a month, has to be refrigerated.  

Wut?

[Anastasis 23469]

3 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Surely the distribution networks were at the ready some time ago. 

 

 

[elfenix 34231]

 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

53 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

Wut?

Yes, I have a disease called Hereditary Angioedema (HAE).  There are currently 3 approved medications for it, all of them cost between $40,000 and $50,000 per month.  So you can see why I have interest in both covering pre-existing conditions, and prescription drug prices.  Interestingly, the companies that sell the drugs aren't even US companies.

[jw4381 3072]

On our way back from CO on Sunday, we stopped at a gas station in on I-25 near Walsenburg. Everyone was masked up, except a young country looking boy in a giant, new truck. And he had what looked like a pistol handle sticking out of his pocket.

magat poster boy

[elfenix 34231]

1 hour ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Yes, I have a disease called Hereditary Angioedema (HAE).  There are currently 3 approved medications for it, all of them cost between $40,000 and $50,000 per month.  So you can see why I have interest in both covering pre-existing conditions, and prescription drug prices.  Interestingly, the companies that sell the drugs aren't even US companies.

yes but the drug reps have perky american tits and perky american asses. 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

7 minutes ago, elfenix said:

yes but the drug reps have perky american tits and perky american asses. 

Yeah, but I'm upset that when they ship it to me, it comes in a crappy styrofoam cooler.  As much as it costs, they should ship in a Yeti.

[Dnaguy 11947]

 

1 hour ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Yes, I have a disease called Hereditary Angioedema (HAE).  There are currently 3 approved medications for it, all of them cost between $40,000 and $50,000 per month.  So you can see why I have interest in both covering pre-existing conditions, and prescription drug prices.  Interestingly, the companies that sell the drugs aren't even US companies.

 

Dear christ.

It sure costs a lot of $ to keep you alive.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

15 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

 

 

Dear christ.

It sure costs a lot of $ to keep you alive.

Yeah, I think about that whenever my wife looks at me funny.

[jimmyjazz 45903]

It's $50K per dose, but $14.95 if you have the coupon.

[relapse98 634]

On 9/2/2020 at 9:56 AM, babysdaddy said:

that emo with the black earring doesn't look like someone that would want to attend the RNC

Looks like half the boys that drive jacked up pickups with giant trump flags hanging off the back.

[Jiggy-Z 3432]

44 minutes ago, relapse98 said:

Looks like half the boys that drive jacked up pickups with giant trump flags hanging off the back.

Don't judge a book by its cover.  In this case, however, we have more than a cover. So judge away.

Its kind of funny how that cover thing works:

Among my fishing buddies, I am the guy from Austin, who is always doing his morning stretching (they call it yoga) that listens to NPR and plays the guitar(classical style) at camp outs.  I get a good bit of good natured ribbing as the camp liberal even though some of them are vegetarians and smoke a lot of pot.  We have a good thing going with our semiannual camp outs and kayak trips, so the regulars never bring up politics and the new guys that do are shushed.

On the flip side, my dad is a cattle rancher, I hunt, fish, am a middle aged white man from Texas, I own a gun, drive a truck, am in the construction business, dip Skoal, and drink a lot of shitty beer, and have a couple of degrees from the Red McCombs School of Business.  So I end up being privy to a lot of conversations from "the other side" and am often taken into confidence as an assumed friendly from Trumpers.  

From this position I have been given some hope as I have seen that, in general, we all want the same things and that on the occasions where I do get to talk politics I try to keep it topical and on policy rather than palace intrigue.  Some of the more hilarious discussions I have had the poor guys did not know what hit them as they were just expecting a conservative bitch fest.  Imagine their surprise when I bring up the failings of the Laffer curve, banking deregulation, tax policy, public education, and corporate socialism.  But in this context, they are generally open to my explanations.

But, one thing that did shock me was the amount of racism still present...and this is not the tone deaf, wink wink at the the Brazil nuts, black quarterback type of racism.  I would estimate that 1/3 of my "conservative" associates subscribe to using the "N" word, think that blacks are in general are lazy and stupid, see no issues with Confederate Flags etc., and of course, see no problem with what happens to people like George Floyd.  Its true we have a subtle racism problem in America, but we also have an overt and aggressive racism problem in America. i do my best to call them out on it and make them feel stupid, but often I am so in shock that I just freeze up.

Anyway, there is a way to bring this around to Covid, which will be "solved" soon enough, but we have a lot of work in front of us on other fronts.

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 hours ago, Jiggy-Z said:

Don't judge a book by its cover.  In this case, however, we have more than a cover. So judge away.

Its kind of funny how that cover thing works:

Among my fishing buddies, I am the guy from Austin, who is always doing his morning stretching (they call it yoga) that listens to NPR and plays the guitar(classical style) at camp outs.  I get a good bit of good natured ribbing as the camp liberal even though some of them are vegetarians and smoke a lot of pot.  We have a good thing going with our semiannual camp outs and kayak trips, so the regulars never bring up politics and the new guys that do are shushed.

On the flip side, my dad is a cattle rancher, I hunt, fish, am a middle aged white man from Texas, I own a gun, drive a truck, am in the construction business, dip Skoal, and drink a lot of shitty beer, and have a couple of degrees from the Red McCombs School of Business.  So I end up being privy to a lot of conversations from "the other side" and am often taken into confidence as an assumed friendly from Trumpers.  

From this position I have been given some hope as I have seen that, in general, we all want the same things and that on the occasions where I do get to talk politics I try to keep it topical and on policy rather than palace intrigue.  Some of the more hilarious discussions I have had the poor guys did not know what hit them as they were just expecting a conservative bitch fest.  Imagine their surprise when I bring up the failings of the Laffer curve, banking deregulation, tax policy, public education, and corporate socialism.  But in this context, they are generally open to my explanations.

But, one thing that did shock me was the amount of racism still present...and this is not the tone deaf, wink wink at the the Brazil nuts, black quarterback type of racism.  I would estimate that 1/3 of my "conservative" associates subscribe to using the "N" word, think that blacks are in general are lazy and stupid, see no issues with Confederate Flags etc., and of course, see no problem with what happens to people like George Floyd.  Its true we have a subtle racism problem in America, but we also have an overt and aggressive racism problem in America. i do my best to call them out on it and make them feel stupid, but often I am so in shock that I just freeze up.

Anyway, there is a way to bring this around to Covid, which will be "solved" soon enough, but we have a lot of work in front of us on other fronts.

You and I have a lot in common except I dip Copenhagen instead of pussy ass skoal (Ha) and drive a car instead of a truck. But just like you, I am considered safe among friends and non-friends alike about them opening up about somewhat racist beliefs. I don’t always call people on it because unlike my persona on this board I tend to avoid controversy in person if possible. 

Unlike in my much younger days I don’t always just let it slide though and try to get people to question what they are saying is in fact racist and ultimately counterproductive. I do what little I can.

My biggest problem lately is No longer letting some of my Trumper friends slide on it and question their bullshit about trump as much as I can. If they are good enough friends, I even call them ignorant dipshits. In a friendly way of course.

Its a process. 

[4th&Five 41525]

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

14 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Trump is insane and projecting. Its all he does nowadays. 

You will know the day Trump thinks he’s gonna die when trump says Biden is about to die. 

[4th&Five 41525]

 

[PsychMike 1550]

23 hours ago, Jiggy-Z said:

Among my fishing buddies, I am the guy from Austin, who is always doing his morning stretching (they call it yoga) that listens to NPR and plays the guitar(classical style) at camp outs. 

Camping blows. It's dirty, and I don't like sleeping on rocks...there's always a guy with an acoustic guitar that doesn't quite know how to play it.

 

Spoiler

 

(I freaking love "Role Models")

[Jiggy-Z 3432]

1 hour ago, PsychMike said:

Camping blows. It's dirty, and I don't like sleeping on rocks...there's always a guy with an acoustic guitar that doesn't quite know how to play it.

 

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(I freaking love "Role Models")

Tell me how you really feel.

The way we camp is pretty easy as we are able to drive into our spot on the bay and set up a kitchen/hang out area with generators and washers and horseshoes with really great meals.  The old timers have been doing it for so long that in many ways it is superior to a few nights at home, at least for a few days.  I am usually able to wake up, make my coffee and and slide into my kayak which is literally only a few feet from my sleeping quarters-within 30 minutes .  I typically fish hard in the morning, take a break to start drinking beer at 10ish and then go back out for a few hours during the day.  We get a fire going before sunset and then go fishing again for perhaps an hour or so. Come back in and eat dinner and then hang out by the fire to tell stories and jokes, smoke a little weed, do some shots, and one or two songs on the guitar.  I will usually have something new from the last trip, but is is typically a new piece by Bach, Sor, Tarrega,  or another old composer. The whole performance last about 5 minutes and then we get back to  the usual stuff.  I have tried to do a few folk songs or some Willie Nelson stuff and that is where I get into trouble and where I understand your comment.  I am solid on the instrumental but the vocals mes me up.

But camping is awesome.  I had a good trip back in 2013 with some of you on this board, except for the gratuitous firearms.

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

That sounds delightful. 

[PsychMike 1550]

3 hours ago, Jiggy-Z said:

Tell me how you really feel.

The way we camp is pretty easy as we are able to drive into our spot on the bay and set up a kitchen/hang out area with generators and washers and horseshoes with really great meals.  The old timers have been doing it for so long that in many ways it is superior to a few nights at home, at least for a few days.  I am usually able to wake up, make my coffee and and slide into my kayak which is literally only a few feet from my sleeping quarters-within 30 minutes .  I typically fish hard in the morning, take a break to start drinking beer at 10ish and then go back out for a few hours during the day.  We get a fire going before sunset and then go fishing again for perhaps an hour or so. Come back in and eat dinner and then hang out by the fire to tell stories and jokes, smoke a little weed, do some shots, and one or two songs on the guitar.  I will usually have something new from the last trip, but is is typically a new piece by Bach, Sor, Tarrega,  or another old composer. The whole performance last about 5 minutes and then we get back to  the usual stuff.  I have tried to do a few folk songs or some Willie Nelson stuff and that is where I get into trouble and where I understand your comment.  I am solid on the instrumental but the vocals mes me up.

But camping is awesome.  I had a good trip back in 2013 with some of you on this board, except for the gratuitous firearms.

that's cool, it was purely a setup for a movie line I find very funny. no ill feelings about you or camping.

[Mapache 1117]

 

[NWBuck 8552]

1 hour ago, Mapache said:

 

[Dnaguy 11947]

3 hours ago, Mapache said:

 

Mask discipline Level =

[Macanudo 12976]

Was just coming to post what Mapache shared.    I shouldn't be surprised that the mouth breathers would congregate like that but it's still sad to see.

[TwiceHorn 31451]

On 9/3/2020 at 9:06 AM, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Oh I understand, was just making sick joke.  When I worked for an old farmer/rancher, we once spent 2 days rounding up a bunch of cattle and vaccinating them against blackleg.  Turns out the old man left the vaccine boxes on the dashboard of his truck for a few hours.  We had to do it  all over again about 2 weeks later after a couple cows died.

Edited for CSB - when we went to examine one of the dead calves, was when I learned what the spey blade of a stockman's knife was intended to be used for.  The vet took out his pocket knife and neatly cut the hindquarter open.

The Case ones marked "For Flesh Only" were kind of cool.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

5 hours ago, Mapache said:

 

I suppose the difference between events is that we now know so much more about the virus than back in February when Italy discovered just how contagious it is. Fans at FNL may not gather in bars, sing drinking songs, and ride the subway back home but given that the virus is so contagious, it seems foolish.