CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

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Woah, we're half way there
Woah, livin' on a prayer
Take my hand, we'll make it I swear
Woah, livin' on a prayer

 

[WhatTheBuck 28781]

1 hour ago, Snake Diggity said:

In hindsight, a national mask mandate starting March 1, with enthusiastic support from all elected officials, probably would have prevented well over 100,000 deaths and the pandemic would not have been nearly as life altering as it has been.  As it stands, other than keeping down mass gatherings and limiting capacity in bars/restaurants, mask mandates is probably the main thing we need.  Lockdowns could be limited to counties where hospital capacity is on pace to be strained.

Trump fucked this up so badly it seems intentional.  One unsurprising but little discussed point is the complete and utter lack of mention, by anyone in government, about using this pandemic to devise plans for dealing with future pandemics.

The problem is that Trump is completely incompetent to hold the job of President. He was lucky to get away with three years of not having to face a crisis but; when one eventually arose, of course he failed to respond. Born rich, went into the family real estate business, never really succeeded at anything other than being a "famous for being famous" Kardashian-style celebrity long before Kim made her sex tape. (And has since appeared in the Oval Office with Trump. Hello! Does anyone else see what's going on?)

The pandemic is beyond Trump's ability to comprehend. He's too stupid to understand any part of it. He's a showman. That's all he's qualified to do. Messaging is the only arrow in his quiver. 

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

So, on the baseball thread I avoided the topic, because I really just want to enjoy baseball when its on, and didn't want to come across as harassing the fans who celebrate their team's victory.

But Justin Turner, who I previously enjoyed watching play, well,  he sure pulled the ultimate asshole move, imo.

Pick your poison on the story source, but this tweet sums it up:

 

The manager he's sitting next to is a cancer survivor, btw.

Justin isn't alone in terms of Americans who put their own desires above the safety and lives of others.  But it is highly disappointing to see and read about.

 

Random reddit user expresses it well:

"This virus is really showing people’s mindsets when it comes to sacrificing self interest for the greater good. I understand the immense temptation but there are families on the field, other players, crews, people of all ages. They’re ALL going separate ways after this and could spread it easily or you’re now putting them in a quarantine situation. Asshole move

At the end of the day he knew he had a positive test and didn’t care about the concerns of spreading it to celebrate because his season was over and if he does indeed have it, so what, he can recoup at home cause there’s no more baseball. Who cares about those other peoples situations

Edit: the more I think about this the angrier I get. The league went to insane lengths to see to it that we had baseball this year. Players screaming let us play, etc. They did so much to protect players so that they could play, have the season and we could have SOME normal. And at the very end this dude just shits all over it on the biggest stage. Come on"

Edited October 28, 2020 by MC Fresh Breath

[4th&Five 41552]

that whole story is crazy to me but also sums up what a huge percentage of our country thinks about this virus.

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

I wonder where some get their messaging to not take it seriously comes from.

My family still thinks covid will disappear after the election and its cause of Trump.

[Foosters 17856]

8 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

So, on the baseball thread I avoided the topic, because I really just want to enjoy baseball when its on, and didn't want to come across as harassing the fans who celebrate their team's victory.

But Justin Turner, who I previously enjoyed watching play, well,  he sure pulled the ultimate asshole move, imo.

Pick your poison on the story source, but this tweet sums it up:

 

The manager he's sitting next to is a cancer survivor, btw.

Justin isn't alone in terms of Americans who put their own desires above the safety and lives of others.  But it is highly disappointing to see and read about.

 

Random reddit user expresses it well:

"This virus is really showing people’s mindsets when it comes to sacrificing self interest for the greater good. I understand the immense temptation but there are families on the field, other players, crews, people of all ages. They’re ALL going separate ways after this and could spread it easily or you’re now putting them in a quarantine situation. Asshole move

At the end of the day he knew he had a positive test and didn’t care about the concerns of spreading it to celebrate because his season was over and if he does indeed have it, so what, he can recoup at home cause there’s no more baseball. Who cares about those other peoples situations

Edit: the more I think about this the angrier I get. The league went to insane lengths to see to it that we had baseball this year. Players screaming let us play, etc. They did so much to protect players so that they could play, have the season and we could have SOME normal. And at the very end this dude just shits all over it on the biggest stage. Come on"

Not to mention, because of the title runs of both the Lakers and Dodgers, local health officials are saying that spikes in LA are largely attributable to fans gathering to watch and celebrate.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-lakers-dodgers-fans-likely-fueling-uptick-rise-19-los-angeles/

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

6 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

I wonder where some get their messaging to not take it seriously comes from.

My family still thinks covid will disappear after the election and its cause of Trump.

 

On random threads I'm starting to see a lot of posts about the 'death rate' being 'so low.' Rather unified message, not sure which outlet it is coming from.  A focus on survival rates, a downplaying of the severity.  I thought for a while those messages had decreased, but again the way they're being written suggests talking points from some place.

[Guest Lobo]

Imagine though, being a selfish covid asshole and looking at what Turner did to possibly expose at risk people and thinking, “yeah, but it was their first dodger World Series title in most of their lifetimes.  His emotions just took Over and he had to get in there with his teammates!”  And then think that’s the same thing as why you need to go to Applebee’s with your fat parents. 
 

i guess the country was always this stupid?

[The Royal We 3072]

And the assbag couldn't even be bothered to put on a mask either!?  I mean, it's really damn selfish either way, but given that situation he still wouldn't wear a mask?  I wonder where he gets his news and who he is voting for for POTUS?

[GreenspointTexas 9602]

Yeah, any fucking idiot who says “why are we freaking out over a virus that has less than a 1% complication rate,” again needs to be permabanned from surly

 

and this is coming from one of its worst posters

[jimmyjazz 45956]

It's almost as if people can't wrap their heads around two important concepts at one time:

-- highly contagious virus

-- moderate lethality once contracted

[HenryJames 66052]

1 hour ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

So, on the baseball thread I avoided the topic, because I really just want to enjoy baseball when its on, and didn't want to come across as harassing the fans who celebrate their team's victory.

But Justin Turner, who I previously enjoyed watching play, well,  he sure pulled the ultimate asshole move, imo.

Pick your poison on the story source, but this tweet sums it up:

 

The manager he's sitting next to is a cancer survivor, btw.

Justin isn't alone in terms of Americans who put their own desires above the safety and lives of others.  But it is highly disappointing to see and read about.

 

Random reddit user expresses it well:

"This virus is really showing people’s mindsets when it comes to sacrificing self interest for the greater good. I understand the immense temptation but there are families on the field, other players, crews, people of all ages. They’re ALL going separate ways after this and could spread it easily or you’re now putting them in a quarantine situation. Asshole move

At the end of the day he knew he had a positive test and didn’t care about the concerns of spreading it to celebrate because his season was over and if he does indeed have it, so what, he can recoup at home cause there’s no more baseball. Who cares about those other peoples situations

Edit: the more I think about this the angrier I get. The league went to insane lengths to see to it that we had baseball this year. Players screaming let us play, etc. They did so much to protect players so that they could play, have the season and we could have SOME normal. And at the very end this dude just shits all over it on the biggest stage. Come on"

 

[4th&Five 41552]

 

[DanTheHorn 4925]

21 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's almost as if people can't wrap their heads around two important concepts at one time:

-- highly contagious virus

-- moderate lethality once contracted

One thing is to be told you could be 1 out of every 1000 like the flu versus 1 out of 10 if you are old and have comorbidities. Folks know the numbers and will make decisions accordingly to either protect themselves or loved ones.  

[justhookit 4191]

I mean it’s not like he only became contagious after receiving the positive test result. Dude was with all those same people up until the 8th inning. Still doesn’t make him less of an asshole.

[Beau Vine 54230]

36 minutes ago, justhookit said:

I mean it’s not like he only became contagious after receiving the positive test result. Dude was with all those same people up until the 8th inning.

He wasn't with all the pitchers in the bullpen.

[Guest Lobo]

24 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

He wasn't with all the pitchers in the bullpen.

But what if he likes to catch?  

[Bama Chick 28596]

[heso 2794]

Looks like we’re gonna come close to breaking the single-day new case count on a Wednesday. 

We haven’t had a Wednesday increase higher than the previous Friday since July 8th. 

[4th&Five 41552]

 

[Dnaguy 11964]

38 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

 

[BradInATX 9208]

39 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Why are they "going for herd immunity" when we're getting a vaccine in two weeks? Seriously asking and yeah I know they're stupid and all that, but there has to be at least some attempt at logic or strategy that they're going for; or they don't believe the vaccine is anywhere remotely close.

[Neonmoon 38129]

I'm glad this guy is directing the Pandemic effort...smh

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

5 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I'm glad this guy is directing the Pandemic effort...smh

 

He's "just sayin"...what? We're supposed to throw ourselves under the mask bus so he can have his economy back? Loony doctor.

[GRHorn 105]

Was just coming to tweet that op-ed. Wish I had before Atlas did. Now y’all will toss it out. 

 

[BradInATX 9208]

Can't read it because of paywall but I'll assume the rest of the opinion piece is as stupid as the headline.

[henrygandorf 29191]

so i haven't spent much time on this thread, but what's everyone's schedule for grabbing this vaccine?  will it be ready on election day, or maybe a sneak peak the night before, like how movie theaters do it?

in all seriousness, even though i was told there was a decent chance that one would be ready by election day, it seemed to be outrageous that i would even suggest one wouldn't be widely available by the end of the year.  so with that said, let me make a bold prediction - once trump loses the election, operation warp speed will neither be warpy nor speedy.

even though he's not supposed to have any influence over these govt agencies working with the pharma companies to get a vaccine ready, i kinda feel like a successful vaccine coming out right around the time biden is getting sworn in, is not exactly the look trump is going for.  i'm looking forward to them "slowing the testing vaccine down please."

is he that childish and petty?

yes.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

3 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

so i haven't spent much time on this thread, but what's everyone's schedule for grabbing this vaccine?  will it be ready on election day, or maybe a sneak peak the night before, like how movie theaters do it?

in all seriousness, even though i was told there was a decent chance that one would be ready by election day, it seemed to be outrageous that i would even suggest one wouldn't be widely available by the end of the year.  so with that said, let me make a bold prediction - once trump loses the election, operation warp speed will neither be warpy nor speedy.

even though he's not supposed to have any influence over these govt agencies working with the pharma companies to get a vaccine ready, i kinda feel like a successful vaccine coming out right around the time biden is getting sworn in, is not exactly the look trump is going for.  i'm looking forward to them "slowing the testing vaccine down please."

is he that childish and petty?

yes.

I was at my oncologist's office recently and we talked about it in passing. He's not optimistic for this year a vaccine. I gathered that was for one he would trust for me to take. I am in a better place healthwise, probably the best in a long time so we (he and I) are being proactive about things under our control: flu shots, etc but he didn't seem to think that something like that was going to be available soon. I did hear that our soon-to-be retired representative is part of a trial but that's all I know.

[GreenspointTexas 9602]

92k new cases today. Beat our previous record high by almost 12%
 

 

[SizzleChest 8284]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

so i haven't spent much time on this thread, but what's everyone's schedule for grabbing this vaccine?  will it be ready on election day, or maybe a sneak peak the night before, like how movie theaters do it?

in all seriousness, even though i was told there was a decent chance that one would be ready by election day, it seemed to be outrageous that i would even suggest one wouldn't be widely available by the end of the year.  so with that said, let me make a bold prediction - once trump loses the election, operation warp speed will neither be warpy nor speedy.

even though he's not supposed to have any influence over these govt agencies working with the pharma companies to get a vaccine ready, i kinda feel like a successful vaccine coming out right around the time biden is getting sworn in, is not exactly the look trump is going for.  i'm looking forward to them "slowing the testing vaccine down please."

is he that childish and petty?

yes.

If you are 30-49 and otherwise healthy, expect to have access to a vaccine sometime next summer if all goes according to plan with the trials, manufacturing, and distribution.

[heso 2794]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

so i haven't spent much time on this thread, but what's everyone's schedule for grabbing this vaccine?  will it be ready on election day, or maybe a sneak peak the night before, like how movie theaters do it?

in all seriousness, even though i was told there was a decent chance that one would be ready by election day, it seemed to be outrageous that i would even suggest one wouldn't be widely available by the end of the year.  so with that said, let me make a bold prediction - once trump loses the election, operation warp speed will neither be warpy nor speedy.

even though he's not supposed to have any influence over these govt agencies working with the pharma companies to get a vaccine ready, i kinda feel like a successful vaccine coming out right around the time biden is getting sworn in, is not exactly the look trump is going for.  i'm looking forward to them "slowing the testing vaccine down please."

is he that childish and petty?

yes.

My hope is to have it in my veins by the 2021 masters. 

[HenryJames 66052]

12 minutes ago, SizzleChest said:

If you are 30-49 and otherwise healthy

Surly: 

[Fletch 5800]

On 10/28/2020 at 1:04 PM, Loch Ness Monster said:

I wonder where some get their messaging to not take it seriously comes from.

My family still thinks covid will disappear after the election and its cause of Trump.

I’ve heard the same from some deplorable “friends” of mine. All a conspiracy to get trump out. The news is just gonna stop talking about once Biden wins, according to theses people. These fucking people are going to kill us all

[Bama Chick 28596]

Highest number of cases in a day.

Meanwhile.....

[Firemans4Horn 18050]

4 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Highest number of cases in a day.

Meanwhile.....
 

[atomheartbevo 89670]

2 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

so i haven't spent much time on this thread, but what's everyone's schedule for grabbing this vaccine?  will it be ready on election day, or maybe a sneak peak the night before, like how movie theaters do it?

Aggy is involved in producing it here in Texas.

I'm willing to wait and see how a rushed vaccine goes.

[HenryJames 66052]

17 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Highest number of cases in a day.

Meanwhile.....
 

 

[wildcat09 29354]

1 hour ago, SizzleChest said:

If you are 30-49 and otherwise healthy, expect to have access to a vaccine sometime next summer if all goes according to plan with the trials, manufacturing, and distribution.

What level of daily alcohol consumption would qualify me as unhealthy?

[Anastasis 23469]

2 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

so i haven't spent much time on this thread, but what's everyone's schedule for grabbing this vaccine?  will it be ready on election day, or maybe a sneak peak the night before, like how movie theaters do it?

in all seriousness, even though i was told there was a decent chance that one would be ready by election day, it seemed to be outrageous that i would even suggest one wouldn't be widely available by the end of the year.  so with that said, let me make a bold prediction - once trump loses the election, operation warp speed will neither be warpy nor speedy.

even though he's not supposed to have any influence over these govt agencies working with the pharma companies to get a vaccine ready, i kinda feel like a successful vaccine coming out right around the time biden is getting sworn in, is not exactly the look trump is going for.  i'm looking forward to them "slowing the testing vaccine down please."

is he that childish and petty?

yes.

I think that we get a good interim read out in late Nov from PFE, and Dec from MRNA. EUA before end of year for PFE, shortly thereafter from MRNA. After that things get fuzzy, but we should have millions of doses available before EOY, and 100+ million by end of 1Q2021. Agree with timeframe of we should all be getting lined up by end of 2Q2021. I am pretty comfortable with the PFE and MRNA vax tech at this point, the post authorization surveillance networks are being built out, not going to be perfect but the FDA is engaging a lot of partners for ongoing safety assessments.  

[Anastasis 23469]

7 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

What level of daily alcohol consumption would qualify me as unhealthy?

Just tell them that you are a lawyer and essential to the ongoing function of the republic and I am sure they will put you in the right spot in line. 

[Anastasis 23469]

Also, alcohol consumption will need to be assessed on a pandemic sliding scale.  Can't imagine what this shit is doing to the transplant waiting lists. 

[HenryJames 66052]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

surveillance networks are being built out

[atomheartbevo 89670]

@GreenspointTexas your movie has been filmed, courtesy of Michael Bay, because we need a movie about covid getting much, much worse.

 

[Anastasis 23469]

Just now, HenryJames said:

 

LOL. Not that type of surveillance my friend.  Just the terminology that is used in the industry.  

But I do think that a fair number of folks would probably be shocked at the FDA Sentinel capabilities if they actually understood how that system could be deployed in an authoritarian state situation with bad actors at the helm.  

[Willfully Horn 8017]

13 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Implement policies? What policIes? Aerosolized covid sprayed from crop dusters?

Edited October 30, 2020 by Willfully Horn
Plural

[Bama Chick 28596]

If you have a couple of hours, go watch.

It’s both excellent and absolutely maddening.

[The Royal We 3072]

The latest spin I've seen from a few people who've been trying to downplay Covid since the beginning is "Where are all the positive flu tests?"  It looks like at the worst part of flu season in the winter of 2019 and early 2020 there were ~30,000 positive tests per week.  The current 7 day rolling average for Covid is ~77,000 per day, so you could take the worst week of flu season last year out of the Covid numbers and still see we have a huge problem unfolding.  But, it is odd what has happened to either flu testing or reporting for it to fall off a table like this.

According to this:  https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm  there were 10,809 flu tests in the 42nd week of 2020 with only 33 positive tests - in the entire country.

[4th&Five 41552]

 

Edited October 30, 2020 by 4th&Five

[Guest Lobo]

Fake Maths!  17 divided by 14 is 1.21, which is about the same rate as a bad flu season.  

Edited October 30, 2020 by Lobo