CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[WhatTheBuck 28825]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

I don’t think Halloween is the culprit. It’s a culmination of so many events. Large sporting events, Halloween, Election Rallies, Election Winner Celebrations, bars opening, colder weather, continued don’t give a fuck attitude for a large portion of this country. It all contributed. 

Not to mention messaging of dismissal and outright denial coming from the White House. 

[Planet Houston 4943]

9 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Not to mention messaging of dismissal and outright denial coming from the White House. 

And their piece of shit enablers, i.e. the entire GOP. Fuck Ted Cruz  

 

[triplehorn 2664]

I'd rather stick a pencil in my eye than listen to Hannity and Sen. Johnson, but focus on listening to Baylor Med's Peter McCullough in this post-Senate testimony interview.  Strikingly, he goes right at medical academic fraud having been and continuing to be perpetrated and it has to with the total utter complete absence of early outpatient covid treatment in the US.  It's not about one med or another.  National health officials and medical academia should be prepared to start to answer:

At 1.3 billion people, India has over a billion more people than the US largely living on top of each other.  They have championed early covid treatment with a variety of interventions:

 

[HenryJames 66275]

[triplehorn 2664]

[Sawbonz 27775]

On 11/21/2020 at 1:21 AM, Bama Chick said:

A freaking nurse I know - she works in a private practice, not our hospital, thank goodness - just posted this balderdash.



Ridamndiculous.

thank you God for the epidemiologists, virologists and basic science researchers as well as all the healthcare workers you have supplied us

 

amen

[Guest Lobo]

Pretty bold move by Jesus.  To leave behind such a clue about Covid, considering most of those letters, and none of those words, existed in the time and place in which Philippians was written.  Of course, if you tell Trumpers that, it only fuels their theory that Jesus has apparently been waiting this whole time for Trump to arrive (instead of vice-versa) and left behind this biblical and phonetical clue as a reminder.  A kind of spiritual orange sticky-note.  

Edited November 22, 2020 by Lobo

[mdmost 43292]

I'm enjoying the confidence displayed in the DT thread has that we're going to see levels drop in 2 weeks like they have in Europe. Yeah, full airports, people traveling all over, large indoor family gatherings where everyone is on top of each other. How exactly are things going to go down in two weeks?

[Continental Op 3934]

2 hours ago, Planet Houston said:

And their piece of shit enablers, i.e. the entire GOP. Fuck Ted Cruz  

 

Why is he defending thanksgiving? Did Squanto say his wife was a skank and his dad killed JFK?

[Guest Lobo]

2 hours ago, Planet Houston said:

And their piece of shit enablers, i.e. the entire GOP. Fuck Ted Cruz  

 

Hey Ted, it looks like two dudes DP Stuffing your portly wife, Heidi.  So I'm guessing you'll be sucking off their buttery juices any minute now and thanking them for their patriotism during his unique American holiday, right?  

[RDCanecutter 26550]

16 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Uhhh . . . 3+15+18+15+14+1 = 66, not 666

Curiosity got the better of me, so I went to the website.  Here's their "math":

 

 

Gotta go with each letter = 100 units to make that work, boys.

During my Glorious Year Majoring in Engineering, I heard about some geek game where you always make something come out as a certain number, even if you have to use ridiculous measurements like Pennyweights per Square Kilometers or whatever. In fact, the point was to use the most ridiculous ones you could.

Should be plenty of ways to make everything turn up as 666, if we just give ourselves over to the powers of evil.

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3868]

4 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

I don’t think Halloween is the culprit. It’s a culmination of so many events. Large sporting events, Halloween, Election Rallies, Election Winner Celebrations, bars opening, colder weather, continued don’t give a fuck attitude for a large portion of this country. It all contributed. 

Add in person voting.

[jimmyjazz 46470]

33 minutes ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

Add in person voting.

Wut?  No.

[Radical Larry 28673]

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Ted has a bad take on pretty much everything...

 

[mdmost 43292]

Ted Cruz posts on the Daily Texan Covid thread?

[Radical Larry 28673]

[Guest Lobo]

Jesus Ted, really bad take.  They may not be your staunchest supporters but El Paso is ground zero for this pandemic.  Election Day didn’t end this...In fact if brought death to the doorstep of your state.  And you unlocked the door.  

[Jhawkmvp 1507]

On 11/21/2020 at 12:17 PM, Neonmoon said:

This seems like a lot

 

 

It is so depressing to watch this from afar. South Korea has had a total of 30,733 cases with 505 deaths for the whole year. They are instituting restrictions again in Seoul (~25M counting the surrounding province), because the country has had 300+ cases a day for 5 days straight. There are 52M people in South Korea, about 1/6 the population of the USA, and their total cases for the year is about 1/6 of the cases the USA has had in 1 day.  The biggest difference is nearly everyone wears masks and follows basic precautions like washing their hands and social distancing.  It is that simple. Yet too many Americans can't do even that.

SAD! DO SOMETHING!

[NWBuck 8590]

9 minutes ago, Jhawkmvp said:

It is so depressing to watch this from afar. South Korea has had a total of 30,733 cases with 505 deaths for the whole year. They are instituting restrictions again in Seoul (~25M counting the surrounding province), because the country has had 300+ cases a day for 5 days straight. There are 52M people in South Korea, about 1/6 the population of the USA, and their total cases for the year is about 1/6 of the cases the USA has had in 1 day.  The biggest difference is nearly everyone wears masks and follows basic precautions like washing their hands and social distancing.  It is that simple. Yet too many Americans can't do even that.

True- they also have a collectivist cultural ideology (versus our "rugged individualism"), and have a different relationship with technology being used for the greater good (contact tracing is much different, I understand, due to high tech strategies that include cell phone tracking)

[jimmyjazz 46470]

I just had a depressing round with a close friend on FB, where she told me that she knows an "NYC front line doc" who swears more than 50% of the US has already had the virus, that it has mutated into what amounts to a benign cold, and that masks do nothing.  I can't say if my sadness eclipses my disgust or vice versa, but I definitely lost a friend.  I just can't stand this shit.  I am more depressed now than I've been since . . . well, a long time.

[staboner 5015]

3 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Ted has a bad take on pretty much everything...

 

ok so - does Ted believe what he is saying or he is just lying? 

i don't get it. seriously. 

are they only able to think in 1 day increments? 

i don't understand what is going on in these people fucking heads

[TexEx15 17811]

I wonder if they have enough data to submit for EUA in order to get reviewed during the early December FDA meeting.  Possibly 3 EUA approvals in early December.  Encouraging.

[Aqua Buddha 14652]

8 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I just had a depressing round with a close friend on FB, where she told me that she knows an "NYC front line doc" who swears more than 50% of the US has already had the virus, that it has mutated into what amounts to a benign cold, and that masks do nothing.  I can't say if my sadness eclipses my disgust or vice versa, but I definitely lost a friend.  I just can't stand this shit.  I am more depressed now than I've been since . . . well, a long time.

That's code for she read a Twitter post made by a GP in Yonkers.

[HenryJames 66275]

 

[Tuco 5084]

8 hours ago, staboner said:

ok so - does Ted believe what he is saying or he is just lying? 

i don't get it. seriously. 

are they only able to think in 1 day increments? 

i don't understand what is going on in these people fucking heads

I put it in the "every accusation is a confession category."  Republican hacks like Cruz can't imagine Democrats putting this much attention into a issue unless it's for political gain.  For the Republicans, the Benghazi hearings were never about understanding what went wrong to avoid similar mistakes in the future.  It was about torpedoing a political rival.  That's it.  That was the only purpose for the time and energy Congress spent on it.  That is how they view the focus on COVID.  If your only purpose is gaining a political advantage, it's hard to understand that there is something else at play.  

[TexEx15 17811]

What starts here!

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

11 hours ago, Jhawkmvp said:

It is so depressing to watch this from afar. South Korea has had a total of 30,733 cases with 505 deaths for the whole year. They are instituting restrictions again in Seoul (~25M counting the surrounding province), because the country has had 300+ cases a day for 5 days straight. There are 52M people in South Korea, about 1/6 the population of the USA, and their total cases for the year is about 1/6 of the cases the USA has had in 1 day.  The biggest difference is nearly everyone wears masks and follows basic precautions like washing their hands and social distancing.  It is that simple. Yet too many Americans can't do even that.

SAD! DO SOMETHING!

We don't even have to travel across an ocean to see how leadership and science can make a difference. Look no further than Oklahoma. Yes, you read that correctly. Oklahoma. The Cherokee Nation has been fighting the overwhelming flood of Okie stubborness, but they are making a valiant effort against this pandemic.

From the article:
*It's a really really good article and not behind a paywall so I recommend taking about 5-8 minutes and reading it all. Lots of gems in there. The chief sold the tribe's jet (about 1.5 million) to pay for medical services. Priorities.

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With a mask mandate in place since spring, free drive-through testing, hospitals well-stocked with PPE, and a small army of public health officers fully supported by their chief, the Cherokee Nation has been able to curtail its Covid-19 case and death rates even as those numbers surge in surrounding Oklahoma, where the White House coronavirus task force says spread is unyielding.

Elsewhere in the U.S., tribal areas have been hit hard by the virus. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports that American Indian and Alaskan Native populations have case rates 3.5 times higher than that of white individuals. The Navajo Nation, where Covid testing, PPE, and sometimes even running water are in short supply, has seen nearly 13,000 cases and 602 deaths among its roughly 170,000 citizens. The Cherokee Nation, with about 140,000 citizens on its reservation in northeastern Oklahoma, has reported just over 4,000 cases and 33 deaths.Pivec leads a team that jumped into action in late February, holding coronavirus task force meetings twice a day, instituting procedures to screen thousands of employees, stockpiling PPE, protecting elders, ensuring food security, and educating residents in both English and Cherokee language. With no guidance on contact tracing available from the CDC early in the pandemic, Pivec researched the World Health Organization’s Ebola response to set up tracing protocols; after the first case appeared on the reservation March 24, she made many of the contact tracing calls herself.

 

 

 

[Brisketexan 105567]

1 hour ago, workswithseed said:

Asking questions.

For more depressing news.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/13/cdc-mental-health-pandemic-394832

One in four young adults between the ages of 18 and 24 say they've considered suicide in the past month because of the pandemic, according to new CDC data that paints a bleak picture of the nation's mental health during the crisis.

The data also flags a surge of anxiety and substance abuse, with more than 40 percent of those surveyed saying they experienced a mental or behavioral health condition connected to the Covid-19 emergency. The CDC study analyzed 5,412 survey respondents between June 24 and 30.

 

58 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

Yeah, shit ain't great right now, and there's not really a situation that's going to make it great for a bit. So people can either spend their time wringing their hands about stuff like this, or perhaps do something to help alleviate in the mean time by looking for ways to support people who are suffering both from encouraging gov't policies to help them, and to support the people you know personally instead of hoping for something magical to happen to fix things.

Yeah, no question -- this shit is awful.  It's demoralizing, discouraging, brutal, and feels like it just won't end.

Sure would be a GREAT time for some unified, galvanizing leadership -- something that calls on the American people to unite as one to soldier through this, to do anything they can to keep the pandemic in check, to support healthcare professionals, and to support one another until we get to the other side.  And that message could remind them that there IS another side, and here's our path to get there, and here's even a rough idea of the timeline.

You know, Churchill's "fight them on the beaches" type stuff, FDR's steady hand during WWII, reminding us of our sacrifices and our ability to work together for a common goal, assuring ourselves of victory.  Man, it would be AWESOME if we had some leadership doing that, don't you think?  That would go a long way towards helping what we all agree is a brutalized sense of morale.

[dcar00 14598]

1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

Not wanting to be murdered vs not wearing a mask seen like similar hills.

yes because police murder people all over the place...

[workswithseed 2139]

23 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

Yeah, no question -- this shit is awful.  It's demoralizing, discouraging, brutal, and feels like it just won't end.

Sure would be a GREAT time for some unified, galvanizing leadership -- something that calls on the American people to unite as one to soldier through this, to do anything they can to keep the pandemic in check, to support healthcare professionals, and to support one another until we get to the other side.  And that message could remind them that there IS another side, and here's our path to get there, and here's even a rough idea of the timeline.

You know, Churchill's "fight them on the beaches" type stuff, FDR's steady hand during WWII, reminding us of our sacrifices and our ability to work together for a common goal, assuring ourselves of victory.  Man, it would be AWESOME if we had some leadership doing that, don't you think?  That would go a long way towards helping what we all agree is a brutalized sense of morale.

Stiff upper lip, chap. You shouldn't go see your family that you've really haven't seen all year, cause the government says so. They know what's good, they have scientist, and specialist looking after you, cause they care about you, and everyone. We know that you,and your family will most likely have a 99.5 chance of surviving, but poppy cock that balderdash. You might die, or kill your family, and in the end isn't that more important than seeing your loved ones in the first place?

I mean, even the reinfected rate is 25 out of 50mil, and most likely won't get reinfected at all.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/09/26/what-is-the-death-rate-for-covid-19-coronavirus-what-this-study-found/?sh=489d8d075c46

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13237457/patients-covid-immune-reinfection-years-study/

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/uk-scientist-says-risk-of-covid-reinfection-is-low-but-not-zero/ar-BB1b3hg0

[hobbes2702 13150]

15 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

yes because police murder people all over the place...

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

48 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Man, it would be AWESOME if we had some leadership doing that, don't you think?

Nah. Threatening the Citizenry with jail for non-compliance is the new normal.

[Brisketexan 105567]

2 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Stiff upper lip, chap. You shouldn't go see your family that you've really haven't seen all year, cause the government says so. They know what's good, they have scientist, and specialist looking after you, cause they care about you, and everyone. We know that you,and your family will most likely have a 99.5 chance of surviving, but poppy cock that balderdash. You might die, or kill your family, and in the end isn't that more important than seeing your loved ones in the first place?

I mean, even the reinfected rate is 25 out of 50mil, and most likely won't get reinfected at all.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/09/26/what-is-the-death-rate-for-covid-19-coronavirus-what-this-study-found/?sh=489d8d075c46

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13237457/patients-covid-immune-reinfection-years-study/

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/uk-scientist-says-risk-of-covid-reinfection-is-low-but-not-zero/ar-BB1b3hg0

Jesus.  Fucking.  Christ.  You're going right back to "this is just the flu" reasoning.

Here's the deal -- and this is a 100% genuine offer, I will absolutely do this: I will buy you a plane ticket to El Paso, tomorrow.  You have to go there, and you have to spend two days volunteering to man the mobile morgue trucks for body storage.  That's it.  That's my offer.  Do that, and then see if you'll continue the "it's just the flu" approach.

[South Austin 52685]

49 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Sure would be a GREAT time for some unified, galvanizing leadership -- something that calls on the American people to unite as one to soldier through this, to do anything they can to keep the pandemic in check, to support healthcare professionals, and to support one another until we get to the other side.  And that message could remind them that there IS another side, and here's our path to get there, and here's even a rough idea of the timeline.

You know, Churchill's "fight them on the beaches" type stuff, FDR's steady hand during WWII, reminding us of our sacrifices and our ability to work together for a common goal, assuring ourselves of victory.  Man, it would be AWESOME if we had some leadership doing that, don't you think?  That would go a long way towards helping what we all agree is a brutalized sense of morale.

We could have Winston Churchill himself give that call (yes, I know he's dead, Jim), and half of the country would still say, "Fuck you, muh freedum!

Joe Biden will most certainly change the voice of leadership from the office of the President of the United States.  But I'm not sure how much difference it's going to make. 

[Don Johnson 4758]

25 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

Yeah, no question -- this shit is awful.  It's demoralizing, discouraging, brutal, and feels like it just won't end.

Sure would be a GREAT time for some unified, galvanizing leadership -- something that calls on the American people to unite as one to soldier through this, to do anything they can to keep the pandemic in check, to support healthcare professionals, and to support one another until we get to the other side.  And that message could remind them that there IS another side, and here's our path to get there, and here's even a rough idea of the timeline.

You know, Churchill's "fight them on the beaches" type stuff, FDR's steady hand during WWII, reminding us of our sacrifices and our ability to work together for a common goal, assuring ourselves of victory.  Man, it would be AWESOME if we had some leadership doing that, don't you think?  That would go a long way towards helping what we all agree is a brutalized sense of morale.

I assume you're talking about someone speaking on the national level.  If its Trump, people will just be thinking get the fuck out of here.  If its Biden, people think he's ready to lock things down again as soon as he takes office, which isn't going to help those who are depressed.  Cool, when you take over in 2 whole months, you'll lock down for a month, then probably another month, then more probably, its dark at 5:00 everywhere, its the holidays and I can't see anyone....

I don't know what anyone could say, other than "this too will pass."  There doesn't seem to be a rallying cry.

I honestly think the most positive message that could be sent is encouraging people, especially that age group, that they need to live their lives (carefully.)  They need to see people (with masks on), they need to grab a beer with friends (outside), they need to go out a grab food or coffee (outside), they need to go to work (with a mask on), they need to go to school in person (with a mask on).  They need someone to not only tell them this is ok, but encourage them its OK and probably worth the risk.

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

6 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Joe Biden will most certainly change the voice of leadership from the office of the President of the United States

Yes, but will he know it

[workswithseed 2139]

37 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Jesus.  Fucking.  Christ.  You're going right back to "this is just the flu" reasoning.

Here's the deal -- and this is a 100% genuine offer, I will absolutely do this: I will buy you a plane ticket to El Paso, tomorrow.  You have to go there, and you have to spend two days volunteering to man the mobile morgue trucks for body storage.  That's it.  That's my offer.  Do that, and then see if you'll continue the "it's just the flu" approach.

Nope, never said it was just a flu with fake facts. I gave you the percentage of death from Covid from a source. I did even more, and show reinfection rates. You can scream at people all you want, people will choose for themselves.

[Brisketexan 105567]

6 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Nope, never said it was just a flu with fake facts. I gave you the percentage of death from Covid from a source. I did even more, and show reinfection rates. You can scream at people all you want, people will choose for themselves.

Yes.  And applying your own rates results in literally millions of dead Americans.  That's fucking catastrophic.  Yeah, people can choose for themselves.....to engage in behavior that can help us reach the max kill rate.

This is the fucking problem, man.

[Rip76 4986]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

 

Sure would be a GREAT time for some unified, galvanizing leadership -- something that calls on the American people to unite as one to soldier through this, to do anything they can to keep the pandemic in check, to support healthcare professionals, and to support one another until we get to the other side.  And that message could remind them that there IS another side, and here's our path to get there, and here's even a rough idea of the timeline.

You know, Churchill's "fight them on the beaches" type stuff, FDR's steady hand during WWII, reminding us of our sacrifices and our ability to work together for a common goal, assuring ourselves of victory.  Man, it would be AWESOME if we had some leadership doing that, don't you think?  

It’s coming sir.  It’s coming.

[Neonmoon 38130]

I was just reading this thread on Texags, man it's some scary shit over there. Old is the real killer

 

Edited November 23, 2020 by Neonmoon

[staboner 5015]

6 hours ago, Tuco said:

I put it in the "every accusation is a confession category."  Republican hacks like Cruz can't imagine Democrats putting this much attention into a issue unless it's for political gain.  For the Republicans, the Benghazi hearings were never about understanding what went wrong to avoid similar mistakes in the future.  It was about torpedoing a political rival.  That's it.  That was the only purpose for the time and energy Congress spent on it.  That is how they view the focus on COVID.  If your only purpose is gaining a political advantage, it's hard to understand that there is something else at play.  

good framing man. I get it. I know it. It just sounds so fucking stupid and fraudulent when you actually sit there and listen to them. I just don't get how anyone connects with these fucks. 

Edited November 23, 2020 by staboner

[dcar00 14598]

23 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

https://www.elpasocountyhealth.org/covid19data-dashboard

 

Old age... the biggest killer of americans since the Civil War.

Does El Paso have any trees left?

[VABuckeye 2472]

51 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

That translates to a death rate of around 1 in 100, if the virus completes its run unchecked.  Apply that to the population of the US, and you have 3.5 million dead.  But of course, 100% of people won't catch it.  So, let's say that only 50% do.

Sweet, only 1.75 million dead Americans.

You're a lawyer right?  I say this because numbers and the numbers within the numbers doesn't seem to be your thing.  You make extrapolations and then apply them to the entire population when the at risk population is much much smaller.

[Bevo14 8431]

9 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I was just reading this thread on Texags, man it's some scary shit over there. Old is the real killer

 

Jfc. Admissions office fucks up way too much.

[52-80 19277]

1 minute ago, VABuckeye said:

You're a lawyer right?  I say this because numbers and the numbers within the numbers doesn't seem to be your thing.  You make extrapolations and then apply them to the entire population when the at risk population is much much smaller.

Maybe he’s one of them guys who does Bird Law

[dcar00 14598]

1 minute ago, VABuckeye said:

You're a lawyer right?  I say this because numbers and the numbers within the numbers doesn't seem to be your thing.  You make extrapolations and then apply them to the entire population when the at risk population is much much smaller.

lawyers figure and figures lawyer?

[52-80 19277]

4 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

"the only thing we have to fear is, uh, wah, um...you know the thing!"

And Clowns

[Brisketexan 105567]

Just now, VABuckeye said:

You're a lawyer right?  I say this because numbers and the numbers within the numbers doesn't seem to be your thing.  You make extrapolations and then apply them to the entire population when the at risk population is much much smaller.

Nope.  Not what I'm doing at all.   See my regular references to not just coming down with it, but SPREADING IT TO OTHERS.  

Everyone is at risk of catching it.  Which means that everyone is at risk for transmitting it to others.  Which means that everyone is at risk for transmitting it to someone who is in the higher-risk population.

If Joe Healthy Guy catching it just created a risk of a negative outcome for Joe Healthy Guy (and a pretty low risk there), that would be nifty.  But him catching it creates an ADDITIONAL risk that he'll transmit it along to someone who is not as healthy as he is.  You know, viruses....go viral.  That's the entire problem here.  Your risky behaviors do not just have implications for you -- they have implications for every single person down the chain of infection that you're creating a link in.