CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Anastasis 23469]

They need to get their ass in gear with the EUAs...dec 17 fda meeting for moderna. From that article. 
 

Moderna is also claiming that the Phase 3 data shows the vaccine was highly effective at preventing more severe cases of COVID-19. According to the press release, 30 out of the 196 volunteers developed severe illness, but all 30 were among the group of volunteers who got the placebo shot. This shows the vaccine demonstrated 100% efficacy at preventing severe COVID-19, according to the company.

According to Benkeser, this isn't enough data to prove Moderna's vaccine will prevent severe illness in every single person who receives it, "however, it is common for vaccines to be more effective against severe disease than mild disease," he said.

"The idea is that though a vaccine might not fully protect you against infection, it can make the subsequent illness less severe," he added. "Therefore, it really is quite plausible that the short-term efficacy against severe disease is indeed close to 100%."

Edited November 30, 2020 by Anastasis

[honolulu horn 6158]

Weekly update as to the scale of COVID deaths in the US. We're at 265K+ deaths in the US today. That's equivalent to the entire population of Jersey City NJ, St Petersburg FL, or Laredo TX. We're getting into seriously bigger cities as we move up the list. It's also damn near half of the entire state population of Wyoming. 

[HenryJames 66042]

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13582]

On 11/28/2020 at 7:33 PM, SizzleChest said:

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13582]

19 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

The party of personal responsibility sure has a lot of entitled complainers in it.

This is only applicable when the country needs to know whether the president got a bj. Plagues not included.

[jimmyjazz 45900]

Can anyone who pays attention to the broad collection of studies out there comment on this article in Nature?  Maybe it's been discussed, I don't recall.  In essence they tested 10M residents of Wuhan following their 1/23 - 4/8 lockdown, and over a two week test cycle (5/14 - 6/1), no symptomatic cases were observed and 300 asymptomatic cases were revealed.  Tracing from those asymptomatic cases show no spread to 1,174 close contacts.  

This is being used as "evidence" by Q types to "prove" that there is no such thing as asymptomatic covid transmission.  The first thing that comes to mind is this:  how many of those 300 cases could be false positives?  It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility to me that 300 tests out of 10M tests could return a false positive.

Has this study been debunked?  Is it legit?  Are there any reasonable conclusions that can be drawn from it?

 

Nature

Edited November 30, 2020 by jimmyjazz

[WhatTheBuck 28776]

3 hours ago, honolulu horn said:

Weekly update as to the scale of COVID deaths in the US. We're at 265K+ deaths in the US today. That's equivalent to the entire population of Jersey City NJ, St Petersburg FL, or Laredo TX. We're getting into seriously bigger cities as we move up the list. It's also damn near half of the entire state population of Wyoming. 

On CBS News on Saturday morning they reported a stat that 15 Americans are dying every hour from Covid-19. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

Did those 300 people wear masks?

Did their “close contacts” wear a mask?

Did the positive cases and their “close contacts” stay socially distanced?

I couldn’t find those answers in the linked article but they seem pretty important.

The study defines “close contact” as -




And it had this to say in regards to false positives -




All that study tells me is that an actual, effective lockdown works. And if those people have since been taking recommended precautions (masks, social distancing, etc.) then those precautions work too.

I may be missing something but I don’t think that study supports the conspiracy theory conclusion.

[jimmyjazz 45900]

11 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

On CBS News on Saturday morning they reported a stat that 15 Americans are dying every hour from Covid-19. 

More like 62 per hour.

[jimmyjazz 45900]

4 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

And it had this to say in regards to false positives -

All that study tells me is that an actual, effective lockdown works. And if those people have since been taking recommended precautions (masks, social distancing, etc.) then those precautions work too.

I may be missing something but I don’t think that study supports the conspiracy theory conclusion.

Thanks, I didn't dig deep on the false positives. 

I agree that the real gist of the paper, if it's legit, is that the lockdown was effective.  I don't see any evidence that it's saying anything about asymptomatic spread, given that we don't know if those people were still behaving in a safe manner.

[Neonmoon 38129]

Good news

 

[Brisketexan 105096]

2 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Good news

 

Dude, if true, that's f'n awesome.

[Captainant 27655]

2 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Good news

 

Now we just have to hope that the trump admin isn't lying to us! They'd never do that, right?

[jimmyjazz 45900]

I'm not wired to give Trump credit, and I think he launched Warp Speed too late, but I will happily admit that the process went remarkably well.  Now let's see it over the goal line.

[Biff Tannen 45676]

6 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Now we just have to hope that the trump admin isn't lying to us! They'd never do that, right?

Yeah, is this another one of his flunkies, or is this guy legit?

[Neonmoon 38129]

That General in charge is badass. His 60 minutes interview was great. 

[BradInATX 9208]

10 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Good news

 

[Red Five 40853]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not wired to give Trump credit, and I think he launched Warp Speed too late, but I will happily admit that the process went remarkably well.  Now let's see it over the goal line.

You don't have to give Trump credit because he didn't fucking do anything. 

[softlynow 1814]

So they're OK stealing from Star Trek for an operation name and for the design of the flag for the new armed services branch, but we're stuck with SPACE FORCE as it's name?

This administration is the worst.

[BradInATX 9208]

35 minutes ago, Red Five said:

You don't have to give Trump credit because he didn't fucking do anything. 

I think it's fine to give Trump credit for it while still understanding that it's table stakes and any other president would have done the same thing. It's not worth throwing him a parade for, but it's okay to admit that Trump did the correct (while obvious) thing. Sorta like Obama taking out Bin Laden.

[Aqua Buddha 14590]

28 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

I think it's fine to give Trump credit for it while still understanding that it's table stakes and any other president would have done the same thing. It's not worth throwing him a parade for, but it's okay to admit that Trump did the correct (while obvious) thing. Sorta like Obama taking out Bin Laden.

Except that Bush had almost 8 years to kill Bin Laden and didn’t.

To say that Trump did something extraordinary here is ridiculous.  Any president would have dumped a bunch of money into Big Pharma and told them to be quick about it.  Dolly Parton did more than Trump did.

[BradInATX 9208]

Except that Bush had almost 8 years to kill Bin Laden and didn’t.
To say that Trump did something extraordinary here is ridiculous.  Any president would have dumped a bunch of money into Big Pharma and told them to be quick about it.  Dolly Parton did more than Trump did.

I mean I think I stated pretty explicitly that it wasn't something extraordinary he did.

[Brisketexan 105096]

21 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Except that Bush had almost 8 years to kill Bin Laden and didn’t.

To say that Trump did something extraordinary here is ridiculous.  Any president would have dumped a bunch of money into Big Pharma and told them to be quick about it.  Dolly Parton did more than Trump did.

And, to be fair, her hair is more authentic than his, too.  And giant boobs -- she has them, he is one.

[Js1 85312]

Great news! 

 

[Brisketexan 105096]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Great news! 

 

.....to be replaced by someone who to date is only known by a Twitter handle with the letter Q, some random numbers, and lots of exclamation points.  You know that's next.

[Js1 85312]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

.....to be replaced by someone who to date is only known by a Twitter handle with the letter Q, some random numbers, and lots of exclamation points.  You know that's next.

Joe Biden will be President in 51 days 

[Brisketexan 105096]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Joe Biden will be President in 51 days 

Tell you what.  Give me the keys to your house for 51 days, so I have free rein to fuck it up beyond all recognition, because I'm a narcissist psychopath, and I lash out insanely at anyone who didn't treat me like the god that I am.  Think that sounds good?  Yeah, it does not.

[4th&Five 41525]

He won’t be replaced. Trump gives less of a fuck about Covid (or anything else) now than ever before, and it wasn’t much to begin with. Atlas probably wants to get in on the grift. 

[jimmyjazz 45900]

53 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

To say that Trump did something extraordinary here is ridiculous. 

Who said he did something extraordinary?  I am simply giving him the same amount of credit I give my 16 YO for not shitting his pants.  In context, against Trump's typical behavior, that's not insignificant, as Trump shits his pants on a daily basis.

 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2020 by jimmyjazz

[Gap03 3304]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Good news

 

Don't both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines require 2 doses?  Maybe that's just an imprecise quote, but then again, maybe he's factoring in the fact that <50% of the population are going to want to be vaccinated right away - ya know, cuz 'Murica ...

[Red Five 40853]

Trump lied about covid from the beginning, made fun of people for wearing masks, didn't wear one himself and got covid, held super spreader events around the country, told people to maybe inject bleach,  publicly fought with the experts and called Fauci an idiot, and refused to attend covid meetings for the last six months. The idea of giving him any credit for anything is absurd. 

[Biff Tannen 45676]

29 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Trump lied about covid from the beginning, made fun of people for wearing masks, didn't wear one himself and got covid, held super spreader events around the country, told people to maybe inject bleach,  publicly fought with the experts and called Fauci an idiot, and refused to attend covid meetings for the last six months. The idea of giving him any credit for anything is absurd. 

This man is right.  Everyone else before him is fucking wrong.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13582]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Great news! 

 

Now that's how you make America great. When the going gets tough, the very problem you were hired to manage accelerating on a near elevator incline, quit almost 2 months before your responsibility has at your country's most crucial moment. 

Piece of goddamn fucking shit like every other piece of shit in this administration.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

29 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Now that's how you make America great. When the going gets tough, the very problem you were hired to manage accelerating on a near elevator incline, quit almost 2 months before your responsibility has at your country's most crucial moment. 

Piece of goddamn fucking shit like every other piece of shit in this administration.

I believe that type of exit is called pulling a Tuberville. 

[NWBuck 8552]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Trump lied about covid from the beginning, made fun of people for wearing masks, didn't wear one himself and got covid, held super spreader events around the country, told people to maybe inject bleach,  publicly fought with the experts and called Fauci an idiot, and refused to attend covid meetings for the last six months. The idea of giving him any credit for anything is absurd. 

Well, give him credit for this... without the exceptional leadership you mention, we probably wouldn't need the vaccine as urgently as we currently do.

So there's that then.

 

[Jive Turkey 12594]

Shit. Maybe I did have it in early February. 

 

[4th&Five 41525]

A good friend and his wife swear they had it in late January. He was at a conference in FL with a large contingent from China. His wife lost taste/smell well before that was a publicized symptom. 

[Aqua Buddha 14590]

I was in the NE for 10 days during Jan/Feb.  Came back and had strep, which I’ve never had my entire life.  (Wife never caught strep.). I’ve thought I might have developed strep due to weakened immune system from covid.  Timeline never matched up but wilt that WSJ story, it does.

[BradInATX 9208]

2 hours ago, Red Five said:

Trump lied about covid from the beginning, made fun of people for wearing masks, didn't wear one himself and got covid, held super spreader events around the country, told people to maybe inject bleach,  publicly fought with the experts and called Fauci an idiot, and refused to attend covid meetings for the last six months. The idea of giving him any credit for anything is absurd. 

 

Part of being a credible person or a credible source of information is being able to objectively give credit where it's due. Trump (or probably his team) put forth operation Warp Speed. Every other president in history and just about any 100+ IQ person would have done the same. It's not a big accomplishment. It's not exceptional. It's table stakes. Still, it's a sign of objectivity and sanity to be able to say "He's still the worst president in over a century, but okay, sure, he did that one thing right". 

Part of the reason for the division in the country is the inability for either side, or the media for that matter, to give any sort of credit where due. It's forced the media into a boy-who-cried-wolf corner and it's a large part of the bunker mentality everyone has. 

It's okay to say that Trump, an awful human being and president, managed to stumble into doing one thing right. If the tables were turned and it was a Democratic president doing it and guys like GRHorn or Enchubben were saying "he deserves no credit for Warp Speed", this entire board would be losing its collective mind.

I fully expect to get attacked for this and shrieked at like I'm some sort of Trump supporter, which is both fine and dumb as fuck. Carry on.

Edited December 1, 2020 by BradInATX

[Bullneck 19079]

42 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

Shit. Maybe I did have it in early February. 

 

Same here.

[DigglerontheHoof 21186]

47 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

Shit. Maybe I did have it in early February. 

 

Interesting.  I was really, really sick last December, after a 4 day trip to Chicago.  It started w/ a dry, hacking cough like I'd never had, my temp ran up to 103.  Went to a clinic and they prescribed Tamiflu and some anti-biotics. I didn't lost my sense of taste but nothing tasted right; really didn't want to eat.  I ran a fever for 4 or so days, rarely left bed; was just flattened. And then I felt weak for a solid month after but I never really considered it covid b/c it was December.  

[Anastasis 23469]

Y'all should get tested for antibodies. 

[berlinerbaer 678]

13 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

 

Part of being a credible person or a credible source of information is being able to objectively give credit where it's due. Trump (or probably his team) put forth operation Warp Speed. Every other president in history and just about any 100+ IQ person would have done the same. It's not a big accomplishment. It's not exceptional. It's table stakes. Still, it's a sign of objectivity and sanity to be able to say "He's still the worst president in over a century, but okay, sure, he did that one thing right". 

Part of the reason for the division in the country is the inability for either side, or the media for that matter, to give any sort of credit where due. It's forced the media into a boy-who-cried-wolf corner and it's a large part of the bunker mentality everyone has. 

It's okay to say that Trump, an awful human being and president, managed to stumble into doing one thing right. If the tables were turned and it was a Democratic president doing it and guys like GRHorn or Enchubben were saying "he deserves no credit for Warp Speed", this entire board would be losing its collective mind.

I fully expect to get attacked for this and shrieked at like I'm some sort of Trump supporter, which is both fine and dumb as fuck. Carry on.

Sure, I'll give him and his administration credit. This operation was clearly staffed with competent people. That is saying something.

Which makes it all the more mind bottling why he didn't spill the beans before the election and brag about The Best Vaccines! at all his rallies and to anyone on cable news who would listen. It's like he chose this issue as his one and only one to shut the fuck up about, and now he's out of a job.

Instead he categorically downplayed the pandemic AND the response, both good and bad, and even went and got his stupid ass sick. I mean, God damn... His skepticism of science really isn't an act.

[BradInATX 9208]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Y'all should get tested for antibodies. 

Aren't those tests still pretty unreliable? I've thought about doing it, I've got at least a tiny bit of reason to believe I may have had it. But not going to waste the time if they're not trustworthy results.

[BradInATX 9208]

1 minute ago, berlinerbaer said:

Sure, I'll give him and his administration credit. This operation was clearly staffed with competent people. That is saying something.

Which makes it all the more mind bottling why he didn't spill the beans before the election and brag about The Best Vaccines! at all his rallies and to anyone on cable news who would listen. It's like he chose this issue as his one and only one to shut the fuck up about, and now he's out of a job.

Instead he categorically downplayed the pandemic AND the response, both good and bad, and even went and got his stupid ass sick. I mean, God damn... His skepticism of science really isn't an act.

 

For sure. His handling of Covid was one of the biggest blunders by any politician ever. He's a fucking idiot. If he just half-ass pretended to be a competent person that isn't a sociopath, he'd have easily won re-election.

I'm torn between being thankful that he's an absolute idiot that cost himself re-election and feeling sad that it cost so many lives.

[berlinerbaer 678]

Antibodies don't circulate in the blood very long. The B-cell line would be all that is left after 11 months, and I don't think there is a test for that.

[justhookit 4191]

23 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I was in the NE for 10 days during Jan/Feb.  Came back and had strep, which I’ve never had my entire life.  (Wife never caught strep.). I’ve thought I might have developed strep due to weakened immune system from covid.  Timeline never matched up but wilt that WSJ story, it does.

Wut? I’m no doc but I’ve never heard of anything saying COVID would weaken your immune response to another virus. Sounds like you got strep. Just like the other people I’m hearing from all over that were sick in nov-dec saying it was COVID. Possible, but very very doubtful.  Really fucking unlikely. If it was spreading here in late 2019 we would have picked it up.

[justhookit 4191]

6 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

Aren't those tests still pretty unreliable? I've thought about doing it, I've got at least a tiny bit of reason to believe I may have had it. But not going to waste the time if they're not trustworthy results.

Yes far as I know they aren’t real reliable. I mean I was sick as shit over Xmas, couldn’t taste a thing. Since then, I’ve had my normal bad allergies about once a month. If I go take an antibody test it won’t tell me when I had it. I could have had it and been asymptotic. Who the fuck knows.

[jimmyjazz 45900]

19 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Y'all should get tested for antibodies. 

Yeah, I've been leaning this way for a while now.  We did the "family virus" in February and although it was different for all 6 of us, there were a ton of common symptoms with covid.  I had a dry cough for a month and fatigue.  I've brushed it off as some kind of rhinovirus or similar, but I still wonder.

An antibody test might provide some peace of mind going forward.

[Neonmoon 38129]

The next month will not be jolly