CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Anastasis 23469]

42 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Some of you here are definitely super spreaders.

Their moms especially. 

[Shaddie 1651]

6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

As I understand it, has to do with the vax technology being used here. AZ/Oxford's vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus vector to deliver the genetic material coding for the spike protein. Essentially, the vaccine causes a viral infection that results in your cells to express spike protein. Your immune system seeks the spike and mounts up a response, and when you are eventually exposed to COV2 it already knows what to do. The chimp virus used as the vector isn't suppose to cause symptoms of infection, it is suppose to simply function of a delivery mechanism to get your cells to express spike. But your body still sees this vector as a foreign virus and tries to mount an immune response against the chimp virus and knock it out. So the thinking is that the lower initial dose may trigger a less robust immune response to the vector. Conversely a higher initial dose may trigger a more robust response, such that when you come back around get the second booster a few weeks later, the immune system is primed to knock out the vector before it can deliver its genetic material to your cells.

At least that is how I understand it. Frankly, the vector vaccines are creepy af. They are using a virus to prepare your body for an attack from another virus.  This is the type of shit that happens in the first 10 minutes of a zombie movie.   

Well duh! I am sure I slept thru that biology 101 class. 
 

Just kidding. Pos rep to Anastasis for his explanations for us dumbasses. 

[Anastasis 23469]

46 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

The committee hearing repeatedly ranged into unfounded theories and scientifically dubious territory, such as when Orient speculated that COVID was largely being transmitted by fecal matter being spread through the air after toilet flushings.

“Maybe instead of putting masks on everybody, we should be putting lids on the toilet or pouring Clorox into it before you flush it,” she said.

Fucking Ron Johnson giving clowns like this a podium. 

[Anastasis 23469]

5 minutes ago, Shaddie said:

Just kidding. Pos rep to Anastasis for his explanations for us dumbasses. 

I am just regurgitating info from various sources and a lot of high level reading on the topic.  I haven't thought this much about vaccines in a long long time.  In the DT vax thread there are some people who know much much more about immunology and this stuff.    

[Shaddie 1651]

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I am just regurgitating info from various sources and a lot of high level reading on the topic.  I haven't thought this much about vaccines in a long long time.  In the DT vax thread there are some people who know much much more about immunology and this stuff.    

So you are telling me I can’t do high level reading on the topic.  
 

I will tell you “duh”. There is a reason I come to surly for my info.  Cmon man you have done a great job so please keep up the good work  

 

[jimmyjazz 45924]

14 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I am just regurgitating info from various sources and a lot of high level reading on the topic.  I haven't thought this much about vaccines in a long long time.  In the DT vax thread there are some people who know much much more about immunology and this stuff.    

Actually, while counter-intuitive to my pre-bio stunted brain, it makes sense.  Too much of an initial response mutes the second dose and the net is a lesser level of protection.  I never would have thought that possible.

[Anastasis 23469]

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Actually, while counter-intuitive to my pre-bio stunted brain, it makes sense.  Too much of an initial response mutes the second dose and the net is a lesser level of protection.  I never would have thought that possible.

Yeah, but apparently this is a fairly well understood potential problem with the vector vaccines.  I was actually surprised that this wasn't part of the planned study design, since the potential issue is well understood.  Turns out somebody just shit the bed somewhere along the way with their assays, and it reveals this finding.  I am still skittish about the adenovirus vector vaccines, tbh.  Fuck that zombieland noise, give me one of the mRNA based vaccines. 

[triplehorn 2664]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

The committee hearing repeatedly ranged into unfounded theories and scientifically dubious territory, such as when Orient speculated that COVID was largely being transmitted by fecal matter being spread through the air after toilet flushings.

“Maybe instead of putting masks on everybody, we should be putting lids on the toilet or pouring Clorox into it before you flush it,” she said.

 

 

Anything about what was presented about ivermectin?  No?  She’s serious.

[triplehorn 2664]

Just talked to a HOU based family member who is a flight attendant on a trip to Brazil. Another crew member developed ILI on the dreamliner flight down.  Test results are pending and they may end up being grounded there for at least 10 days. Family member walked around the corner from the hotel to a pharmacy and picked up a three month prophylaxis supply of ivermectin OTC for under $10. Chased first dose with a beautiful São Paulo filet.

[Anastasis 23469]

44 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

She’s serious.

Clearly. 

[SizzleChest 8283]

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

As I understand it, has to do with the vax technology being used here. AZ/Oxford's vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus vector to deliver the genetic material coding for the spike protein. Essentially, the vaccine causes a viral infection that results in your cells to express spike protein. Your immune system seeks the spike and mounts up a response, and when you are eventually exposed to COV2 it already knows what to do. The chimp virus used as the vector isn't suppose to cause symptoms of infection, it is suppose to simply function of a delivery mechanism to get your cells to express spike. But your body still sees this vector as a foreign virus and tries to mount an immune response against the chimp virus and knock it out. So the thinking is that the lower initial dose may trigger a less robust immune response to the vector. Conversely a higher initial dose may trigger a more robust response, such that when you come back around get the second booster a few weeks later, the immune system is primed to knock out the vector before it can deliver its genetic material to your cells.

At least that is how I understand it. Frankly, the vector vaccines are creepy af. They are using a virus to prepare your body for an attack from another virus.  This is the type of shit that happens in the first 10 minutes of a zombie movie.   

[triplehorn 2664]

Dr. Pierre Kory's Senate testimony today.

 

[triplehorn 2664]

For our resident science deniers and charlatans, here is the FLCCC and Dr. Kory's up to date 28 page manuscript on Ivermectin. 

Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19

Outstanding

[Bama Chick 28596]

Oh god, what snake oilery are you on about now?

[Anastasis 23469]

Clowns gonna clown. 

[Anastasis 23469]

And FTR, I actually think that ivermectin deserves a fair shake.  But the people promoting it have a very poor track record that tarnishes it.  Triple included. 

[triplehorn 2664]

7 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Oh god, what snake oilery are you on about now?

I can't force you to read or listen.  I can read and listen, so I'm open to hear how you arrived at your snake oil conclusion.  You're a rehabilitated drug rep right?  You may still need a bath.

[Willfully Horn 8016]

What are the results of a quarter-dose?

Or homeopathic doses?

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[triplehorn 2664]

6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

And FTR, I actually think that ivermectin deserves a fair shake.  But the people promoting it have a very poor track record that tarnishes it.  Triple included. 

The research based evidence that's come out in recent weeks/months does the talking.  Better use of everyone's time for you respond to that.

Dr. Kory pulls no punches in his observations of NIH, CDC, FDA complete failure to organize research in support of one of the 4 pillars of pandemic response: repurposing available and safe meds to treat a novel pathogen as early and rapidly as possible.  Instead, not only have they done virtually no research with re-purposed meds, they have completely failed to adapt to emerging evidence, ongoing, for months.  The playing field was gamed and western world kettled into vaccine development and mass deployment.  Because of this, NIH, CDC, FDA have contributed to a significant worsening of our American catastrophe.

Covid killed almost 3000 Americans today.  Over 200,000 new US cases alone today, again.  We'll be at 10,000 newly dead Americans from Covid in the month of December likely by tomorrow.  10k newly dead Americans before the 10th day of the month.  Data on Ivermectin shows that if we started mass use this week, we're saving multiple tens of thousands of American lives long before enough vaccines can be manufactured and deployed.  

 

[HenryJames 66049]

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

I've had the vid. No way in hell I'm getting that vaccine. My immunity is already much better than any of the vaccines. 

[HenryJames 66049]

wut

[Anastasis 23469]

8 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

wut

potato

[Anastasis 23469]

32 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

The research based evidence that's come out in recent weeks/months does the talking.  Better use of everyone's time for you respond to that.

Dr. Kory pulls no punches in his observations of NIH, CDC, FDA complete failure to organize research in support of one of the 4 pillars of pandemic response: repurposing available and safe meds to treat a novel pathogen as early and rapidly as possible.  Instead, not only have they done virtually no research with re-purposed meds, they have completely failed to adapt to emerging evidence, ongoing, for months.  The playing field was gamed and western world kettled into vaccine development and mass deployment.  Because of this, NIH, CDC, FDA have contributed to a significant worsening of our American catastrophe.

Covid killed almost 3000 Americans today.  Over 200,000 new US cases alone today, again.  We'll be at 10,000 newly dead Americans from Covid in the month of December likely by tomorrow.  10k newly dead Americans before the 10th day of the month.  Data on Ivermectin shows that if we started mass use this week, we're saving multiple tens of thousands of American lives long before enough vaccines can be manufactured and deployed.  

 

Where are you in the quackery spectrum related to vaccination triple?

Edited December 9, 2020 by Anastasis

[Dahobbs 17534]

21 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

I've had the vid. No way in hell I'm getting that vaccine. My immunity is already much better than any of the vaccines. 

You are really dumb. 

[4th&Five 41538]

 

[HenryJames 66049]

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

27 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

You are really dumb. 

How's that? There have been 4 total documented cases of reinfection worldwide.  None in the US confirmed by the CDC.  I will caveat this. There may be a couple more since that research I did was 3 weeks ago. Therefore, out of 68M cases (real world cases many fold that due to asymptomatic/mild symptoms never tested) there are just a handful of documented reinfection. Data is on my side not yours. Why would I take a rushed vaccine when my immunity is 99.999%?

Edited December 9, 2020 by PassiveAggressiveCoach

[Bama Chick 28596]

The Michigan Dominion nut has thoughts on Covid.

[Anastasis 23469]

13 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Medical Industrial Complex coming for your covids. Ask @Captainant

[Anastasis 23469]

15 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

Why would I take a rushed vaccine when my immunity is 99.999%?

 

[Bookman 4639]

9 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

The Michigan Dominion nut has thoughts on Covid.
 

Where do they find these fucking people? And then they trot them out to a fucking legislative committee meeting?

I can't believe this is real life.

 

[Scheiss Meister 8407]

33 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

How's that? There have been 4 total documented cases of reinfection worldwide.  None in the US confirmed by the CDC.  I will caveat this. There may be a couple more since that research I did was 3 weeks ago. Therefore, out of 68M cases (real world cases many fold that due to asymptomatic/mild symptoms never tested) there are just a handful of documented reinfection. Data is on my side not yours. Why would I take a rushed vaccine when my immunity is 99.999%?

Since I have a relative who has had covid at least twice, and very possibly three times, you might want to re-think that.  I am sure that there are not a lot of folks looking that hard for re-infections while the country is boiling over.

[triplehorn 2664]

48 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Where are you in the quackery spectrum related to vaccination triple?

fuck off.  I trust the science and the scientists behind the vaccine development.  It's the business face of big pharma I do not trust with managing the public good.  Look at what they've done with insulin pricing, all kinds of pricing.  They dgaf if you die or not, it's not their job, it's about the bottom line.  If they can apply pressure on career DC bureaucrats, medical academics and their research hospitals, the print and TV media, and the pundits they pay for to occupy public minds and kneecap outliers, and any manner of dirty tricks to undercut any threat to the fatness of their profit, it's been my general observation they will, and have been doing it, and will never let up.  If they could kick away a pillar of the pandemic response (4 pillars) to enlarge dependence on the 4th pillar, vaccines, they will.  Everything I can see points to that having been unfolding from before we even knew what hit us.  Nothing against the vaccines and the brilliant scientists who innovate, it's the business face of big pharma where the cockroaches live.  fuck'em.

Ivermectin evidence has arrived.  Ignore it at your peril. The evidence shows it's a multi-tool to protect HCW's, elderly in LTCF's, and people over 50 with medical problems to take right away if they get sick. It's a clear path immediately available to save multiple tens of thousands of American lives.  We can't wait 3-6 more months for vaccines to scale up when we have this gift today.   I've got at least 3 months to see what happens before I even have a choice to get a vaccine.  By then it might still be necessary, but then it might not.  I know which option pharma wants.

[Anastasis 23469]

1 minute ago, triplehorn said:

fuck off.

Ivermectin evidence has arrived.  Ignore it at your peril.

I am actually positive on ivermectin. 

It is unfortunate that clowns like you have tainted the pool irreparably. 

[Anastasis 23469]

7 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

I trust the science and the scientists behind the vaccine development.  It's the business face of big pharma I do not trust with managing the public good.  Look at what they've done with insulin pricing, all kinds of pricing.  They dgaf if you die or not, it's not their job, it's about the bottom line.  If they can apply pressure on career DC bureaucrats, medical academics and their research hospitals, the print and TV media, and the pundits they pay for to occupy public minds and kneecap outliers, and any manner of dirty tricks to undercut any threat to the fatness of their profit, it's been my general observation they will, and have been doing it, and will never let up.  If they could kick away a pillar of the pandemic response (4 pillars) to enlarge dependence on the 4th pillar, vaccines, they will.  Everything I can see points to that having been unfolding from before we even knew what hit us.  Nothing against the vaccines and the brilliant scientists who innovate, it's the business face of big pharma where the cockroaches live.  fuck'em.

Oh, and can you just state your position on vaccines without hedging?

Or does that require you to pull down the quack mask to an extent you are not comfortable with?

[triplehorn 2664]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

I am actually positive on ivermectin. 

It is unfortunate that clowns like you have tainted the pool irreparably. 

It's unfortunate someone with some neuronal friction generating a little heat has tainted their veil of sincerity beyond repair like you. 

Stick to your Dossier secrets, troll.

[Anastasis 23469]

Just now, triplehorn said:

Stick to your Dossier secrets, troll.

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

21 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Since I have a relative who has had covid at least twice, and very possibly three times, you might want to re-think that.  I am sure that there are not a lot of folks looking that hard for re-infections while the country is boiling over.

99.99% of the cases that were thought by the patient to be reinfection turned out to be flare ups as the virus tends to do in some. I'm just stating the data. Look at the CDC stats.  

Just one of many articles. I will correct myself. There has now been 1 confirmed case of reinfection in NV.  So maybe your relative is the second or more likely their immune system is having an issue keeping the virus suppressed? 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/health/coronavirus-reinfection.html

Edited December 9, 2020 by PassiveAggressiveCoach

[Anastasis 23469]

12 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Oh, and can you just state your position on vaccines without hedging?

Or does that require you to pull down the quack mask to an extent you are not comfortable with?

Unsurprising crickets from the quack. 

[Scheiss Meister 8407]

1 minute ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

99.99% of the cases that were thought by the patient to be reinfection turned out to be flare ups as the virus tends to do in some. I'm just stating that data. Look at the CDC stats. Find. E a documented reinfection. 

Just one of many articles. I will correct myself. There has now been 1 confirmed case of reinfection in NV.  So maybe your relative is the second of more likely their immune system is having an issue keeping the virus suppressed? 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/health/coronavirus-reinfection.html

Nope.  Confirmed by his doctor as at least two separate cases.  The suspect case may have been a flare up, but his most recent case was not. 

I don't know about reporting to CDC, but since he is in East Texas, I wouldn't be surprised at the doctor not reporting details to anyone.  Having lived in East Texas before and observing several small town doctors there, I was surprised that they even tested for Covid.

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

7 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Nope.  Confirmed by his doctor as at least two separate cases.  The suspect case may have been a flare up, but his most recent case was not. 

I don't know about reporting to CDC, but since he is in East Texas, I wouldn't be surprised at the doctor not reporting details to anyone.  Having lived in East Texas before and observing several small town doctors there, I was surprised that they even tested for Covid.

That would sure as hell should be reported to the CDC as it is so unique. Regardless, she may be anecdotal and the 2nd case. The vaccines have at best 95% immunity.  The data for people who have been infected is still 99.999% immunity. I'm just going off worldwide data. I had chicken pox too. Should I get the vaccine for that? There are cases of reinfection with chicken pox. 

Edited December 9, 2020 by PassiveAggressiveCoach

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

42 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Nope.  Confirmed by his doctor as at least two separate cases.  The suspect case may have been a flare up, but his most recent case was not. 

I don't know about reporting to CDC, but since he is in East Texas, I wouldn't be surprised at the doctor not reporting details to anyone.  Having lived in East Texas before and observing several small town doctors there, I was surprised that they even tested for Covid.

Dein Name checkt aus. 

[brakeman 28364]

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

24 minutes ago, brakeman said:

I feel like you're trying to spin a narrative with the data. I can speak later on the data of the actual number of deaths but let's put it in perspective. May shock a few here. Per capita numbers. 

Edited December 9, 2020 by PassiveAggressiveCoach

[Continental Op 3934]

Goddamn this thread fucking sucks right now.

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

FYI most of those countries have been on much more severe lockdowns much more strict than the US. Lockdowns don't help. A big chunk of Europe is far worse. Data. 

Edited December 9, 2020 by PassiveAggressiveCoach

[washparkhorn 9939]

5 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

FYI most of those countries have been on much more severe lockdowns much more strict than the US. Lockdowns don't help. A big chunk of Europe is far worse. Data. 

cite?

[Willfully Horn 8016]

18 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

I feel like you're trying to spin a narrative with the data. 
 

A narrative with a (presumably) accurate title. 
 

Do your numbers tell the tale that US citizens are dying at a rate  higher than all but ten citizenships, out of 194 countries on earth? Or, it could be worse? I couldn’t tell from the title.

Edited December 9, 2020 by Willfully Horn
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[washparkhorn 9939]

7 minutes ago, Continental Op said:

Goddamn this thread fucking sucks right now.

tis the season