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  On 12/9/2020 at 7:23 AM, Willfully Horn said:
Rona is more contagious than the flu, and mitigation is working really well against the flu, and merely mitigating the spread of Rona?
Fake pos rep for your avatar, fake neg rep for your posts; no idea what point you are trying to make; (oh look at the double semicolon dumbassery on my part) - carry on.
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  On 12/9/2020 at 7:13 AM, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

 BTW what happened to flu cases? Corona eats flu? Best flu season in the history of man. Hmmm

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This thread is over 600 pages so here's a 3x5 pass for perhaps missing that discussion. Here's another 3x5 pass for dismissing what I'm about to say because I have a female user name. Not saying you will, but it happens and you might need it.

What happened to the flu cases?

Couple of things. Look at the R naught value. Flu is less than COVID which is less than measles. The R naught value is not static but it's a good measure for how a disease spreads. So, here you mention the flu, a disease where the R naught is lower ( less infectious) and fewer people are going out and about due to restrictions AS WELL AS having mitigation measures in place such as social distancing and masks and crazy as it may seem NOT GOING TO WORK SICK due to quarantining from the other virus. To top that off, in any given year, according to the CDC about 50 percent of the American population receives the flu VACCINE, while of the other half about 25 percent get the flu and the rest do not. So with a flu vaccine available in the past, only 25 percent of citizens were actually getting the flu. Those people going around saying "Ah, I never get the flu, so I don't get a vaccine!" Yeah, they were likely protected by people who get the vaccine, their own immune system (yes, I grant your point that a healthy immune system is ideal), and dumb luck. You don't get a pass for this because anyone who stopped to think about it could come to this conclusion. Cutting out half the population susceptible to a virus has an effect on the amount of spread. In addition, we won't know until the season is complete, but the health care providers were pushing the flu inoculations this year for this very reason. It could be the percent of folks getting the flu vaccine is now greater than half. Contracting successive infections that attack the lungs leads to poor outcomes. Once one has had pneumonia, one becomes more susceptible to it. Pneumonia can be viral or bacterial and for this very reason, I receive a pneumonia vaccine to improve my odds of holding it at bay.

Finally, here is some cell biology: you can have coinfections with viruses, you can have successive infections with viruses (which is why you should get a flu vaccine), but often one virus has a tendency to suppress the other. For example, with a RSV vs the flu one or the other will succeed in infecting the same cell. Scientists are still studying this new virus to determine if it is similar to that outcome.

 

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  On 12/9/2020 at 7:33 AM, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:
The avg median age of a covid death is 78.  Listen, I'm not saying the virus can't kill people. I had it. It wrecked me for 10 days.  My taste weeks later isnt right. I'm in my 40s.  If I was compromised or with comorbid conditions definitely I'd be in the hospital. There are common sense ways to deal with this. It isn't the Spanish Flu. 
Ah the typical Conservative personal antedotal story. "I had it and survived so nbd"

Go fuck yourself - my healthy friends who died from this shit.

Ps- Go fuck yourself - hospital workers xo
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  On 12/9/2020 at 8:04 AM, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:
LOL OK call it Trump land or whatever. There is literally almost no flu now. You don't find that odd?  Listen, I voted for Obama once. I'm not one of these hard core Trumpers you hate. Covid is a thing. It kills mostly a select group of people. Why are flu numbers almost 0?  That's never happened. Ever. 
It was predicted by scientist that we would have low flu numbers due to high mask usage in the southern hemisphere during thier winter.
Also extreme measures to mitigate an infectious virus mitigate another infectious virus and that's a conspiracy?

You are dumb as fuck. Add you to the ignore list with such illustrious company as Icono and Johnny Sack and all the dumb fucks I can't recall because I don't enjoy reading stupid shit written by chucklefucks.
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Dude's transformation from "masks and social distancing are important, but I think we're going overboard on lockdowns; also, I'm not sure I'll get the vaccine since I already had it" (all reasonable positions) to playing all the hits of the Facebook/far-right message board crowd (we're only worse because we count more, they're counting all deaths as COVID, why are there no more flu deaths, I only wear a mask to appease Karens, look at the data sheep) is so hilariously predictable. Pretty sure we all knew exactly what was coming two pages ago. They just can't help but brag about what great independent, critical thinkers they are (as they parrot the same half dozen talking points they read on I'mright.com).

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Just doing some back of the envelope math, if:

we are able to vaccinate 40M people per month starting this month

70% of a population need immunity to get infection rate low enough to make it go away

People under 30 don’t need to be vaccinated due to incredibly low mortality rate

15M people have already had it

Rough math would indicate that enough people would have been vaccinated by mid-April.

However, I don’t think we would necessarily need to get to that point before cases begin dropping dramatically.  I suspect that by mid February we will have seen a dramatic decrease in daily new cases, and that by mid-March we will see most areas in the country lifting all restrictions except possibly mask wearing and reduced capacity in bars/restaurants.  The next 6 weeks will suck and a lot of people will die who didn’t need to (Donald Trump is a piece of shit), but I think it’s almost over.

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  On 12/9/2020 at 8:04 AM, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

LOL OK call it Trump land or whatever. There is literally almost no flu now. You don't find that odd?  Listen, I voted for Obama once. I'm not one of these hard core Trumpers you hate. Covid is a thing. It kills mostly a select group of people. Why are flu numbers almost 0?  That's never happened. Ever. 

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Ah the old “I voted for Obama card “ but here’s a bunch of right wing propaganda bullshit for y’all to consider. 
 

Where’s the YouTube video? 

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  On 12/9/2020 at 6:51 AM, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

Just reports data. No agenda on that website. It is the most dependable worldwide aggregate data site on the web. 

The agenda comes from the individual reporting entities, not with a site that repeats that reported data on a spreadsheet.
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This should be the vaccination schedule:

Dec: healthcare workers, people over 80

Jan: teachers, people age 70-80

Feb: other essential workers, people age 50-70

Mar: people age 30-50, people under 30 with risk factors

Apr: people under 30

 

I have no idea if the number of doses will be available to meet it, but under that schedule, I think we’d see the hospitalization and death rate plummet starting in mid February, which means most restrictions/worries could be gone by early/mid March.  We’d still probably see high numbers of cases until early May, but aside from a mask mandate and possibly reduced bar/restaurant capacity, life would be back to normal.

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Deaths from covid in the US started ramping up in mid-March.  We're currently losing ~ 3K Americans every day, and that number is climbing.  We will likely start to see some positive effects from vaccines in the next couple of months.  I'll go out on a limb and suggest that those two effects will largely cancel each other, and it will not surprise me one bit to see us lose another 300K Americans by mid-March.  (I'm spitballing here, I'm not posting error bars.)

If this plays out, covid will tie cancer in that 12-month span for 2nd leading cause of death in the US, slightly behind heart disease.

Anyone arguing "per capita" (of which there are many types, DJT) can go fuck themselves.

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  On 12/9/2020 at 3:03 PM, BradInATX said:

Damn, PassiveAggressiveCoach is over on the football board whining about the CR now.

Shit is so predictable. Every time.

- Enter CR, post stupid shit you saw on Facebook with high levels of confidence
- Get owned by facts
- Make no effort to defend your case with facts of your own
- Go to the football board or Daily Texan and cry about the mean old CR cabal that hurt your feelings

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This has quickly become a tradition unlike any other.  Roll up in here with their chests puffed out talmbout masks/lockdowns don't work, Covid is a nothingberder, etc.  Numerous well-informed posters provide links and evidence showing this is plainly BS, then the concerned troll retreats to DT to whine about the libtard echo chamber that the CR has become.

Reality has a liberal bias.

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  On 12/9/2020 at 3:21 PM, Snake Diggity said:

This should be the vaccination schedule:

Dec: healthcare workers, people over 80

Jan: teachers, people age 70-80

Feb: other essential workers, people age 50-70

Mar: people age 30-50, people under 30 with risk factors

Apr: people under 30

 

I have no idea if the number of doses will be available to meet it, but under that schedule, I think we’d see the hospitalization and death rate plummet starting in mid February, which means most restrictions/worries could be gone by early/mid March.  We’d still probably see high numbers of cases until early May, but aside from a mask mandate and possibly reduced bar/restaurant capacity, life would be back to normal.

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This will be how it really goes:

Health Care Workers

Nursing home types

Rich people/celebrities

Front line workers whose jobs are essential for corporations but not so essential we'll pay them more

Upper middle class types

Pets of rich people/celebrities

Everyone else

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  On 12/9/2020 at 1:50 PM, Snake Diggity said:

Just doing some back of the envelope math, if:

we are able to vaccinate 40M people per month starting this month

70% of a population need immunity to get infection rate low enough to make it go away

People under 30 don’t need to be vaccinated due to incredibly low mortality rate

15M people have already had it

Rough math would indicate that enough people would have been vaccinated by mid-April.

However, I don’t think we would necessarily need to get to that point before cases begin dropping dramatically.  I suspect that by mid February we will have seen a dramatic decrease in daily new cases, and that by mid-March we will see most areas in the country lifting all restrictions except possibly mask wearing and reduced capacity in bars/restaurants.  The next 6 weeks will suck and a lot of people will die who didn’t need to (Donald Trump is a piece of shit), but I think it’s almost over.

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Yeah uh, if almost 60% of americans dont get the one-shot flu vaccine every year, a fuck ton of americans arent going to opt for this vaccine (especially if its a two shot/series one).

 

Im starting to warm on the notion that we will not have to wear masks in 2022, but other than that, all bets are off imo.

 

we are talking about the largest vaccination campaign in human history here. I just dont see “normalcy” returning before next Labor Day

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My question is -- what about the OTHER vaccines that have yet to come online, like J&J?  I'm asking because if one of those comes online in say, late January or early February, couldn't we be adding some more vaccine doses to the mix pretty quickly?

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  On 12/9/2020 at 1:50 PM, Snake Diggity said:

People under 30 don’t need to be vaccinated due to incredibly low mortality rate

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I don't get this.  People under 30 may not die from it (as much as those older) but they can certainly be infected and pass that infection on to others.  I believe the herd immunity number of 70% thrown about refers to the general population, not just the most vulnerable, right?

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  On 12/9/2020 at 4:09 PM, 27-25 said:

I don't get this.  People under 30 may not die from it (as much as those older) but they can certainly be infected and pass that infection on to others.  I believe the herd immunity number of 70% thrown about refers to the general population, not just the most vulnerable, right?

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Correct.

I think that the protocol for those under 18 is still being figured out, but I also think that the general recommendation will be for every adult to get it in order to achieve herd immunity so as to sharply limit outbreaks.

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  On 12/8/2020 at 8:49 PM, SizzleChest said:

Having worked in organizations where studies had to be repeated (errors in randomization design, clinical supply fuckups, etc.), this is the first one I've seen that revealed a clinically beneficial outcome.

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Clown show.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/business/covid-vaccine-oxford-astrazeneca.html?

Behind the tags.

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  On 12/9/2020 at 4:09 PM, 27-25 said:

I don't get this.  People under 30 may not die from it (as much as those older) but they can certainly be infected and pass that infection on to others.  I believe the herd immunity number of 70% thrown about refers to the general population, not just the most vulnerable, right?

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My assumption is that 90% of olds will get vaccinated.  People under 30 can indeed get it and pass it on, but they can only pass it on to people who do not have immunity.  Because of the risk profile of this virus, I do not think we need to get herd immunity via vaccination; we only need to vaccinate everyone who is at relatively high risk of dying from it (along with their caretakers and other essential workers).

I am only talking priorities for saving lives and returning to normal as quickly as possible.  Eventually, everyone should be vaccinated (hopefully done by Labor Day 2021).

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Maybe this was discussed a few pages back, but I scanned through and didn't see anything. What's the story on the US not getting as much of Pfizer's vaccine? I see the administration's response that "they weren't going to put all their eggs in one basket early on." I can understand that point. But I also read brief references to there having been multiple offers from Pfizer after their data showed the vaccine likely to be successful. Has anybody put together a timeline on that? Was there actually good data available to show that purchasing more was a good idea?

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  On 12/9/2020 at 7:13 AM, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

BTW what happened to flu cases? Corona eats flu? Best flu season in the history of man. Hmmm

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to the extent you're suggesting stats are juked so that covid deaths are flu deaths re-coded, please see below.  a whole whole whole lot of people are dying from something.  and that something didn't really impact the US prior April 2020.  

 

 

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Posted
  On 12/9/2020 at 4:20 PM, Anastasis said:

Now Canada has authorized the Pfizer vaccine.  

 

FDA still fingering their butthole waiting for an advisory committee meeting to take place. 

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Why are we taking so long? Is it just red tape, incompetence  or are they getting it distributed so it’s ready when they approve it?

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  On 12/9/2020 at 4:25 PM, SquishMitten said:

Maybe this was discussed a few pages back, but I scanned through and didn't see anything. What's the story on the US not getting as much of Pfizer's vaccine? I see the administration's response that "they weren't going to put all their eggs in one basket early on." I can understand that point. But I also read brief references to there having been multiple offers from Pfizer after their data showed the vaccine likely to be successful. Has anybody put together a timeline on that? Was there actually good data available to show that purchasing more was a good idea?

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I think it comes down to the simple fact that Donald Trump is a narcissistic asshole who cares about nothing but money & power.

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Someone referenced Ron Johnson the other day, but I don't remember who or what the reference was about.  Here's an article about Ron's anti-science behavior in his official role.  The mind boggles.  (It shouldn't at this point, but it does.)

Oh, Ron

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  On 12/9/2020 at 4:50 PM, jimmyjazz said:

 

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“What’s wrong with you? I mean, what is wrong with you?” Mr. Nelson said in an interview. “Do you not see the existential threat that communities like your hometown are facing, have been facing?”

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Last quote from the spoilered article above. It isn't just not wanting to piss off his Trumper loyalists.

My reply, which includes a quote from an Esquire article the day after the tweet below.

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Pretty standard holiday bunting-draped bunkum, no? That’s only if you ignore that:

a) when this entry was posted, Johnson was in Russia as part of a GOP-only delegation trying to make sure the road is smoothed for the president*’s annual performance review in Helsinki;

b) that it was posted while Johnson was in Russia not three days after the Senate Intelligence Committee joined with the entire U.S. intelligence community in concluding that Russia had ratfcked the 2016 election on behalf of the current president*;

c) that it was posted while Johnson was in Russia the same day in which two more Britons were felled by the same nerve agent that had nearly killed a Russian defector and his daughter;

and, finally, d) that it was posted while Johnson was in Russia on the Fourth of Freaking July, aka Independence Day.----Esquire, "This Ought to Run in Campaign Ads from Now Through Eternity" by Charles P. Pierce Link: https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a22063027/republican-senators-russia-4th-of-july/

 

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https://theweek.com/speedreads/783676/freshly-returned-from-moscow-gop-sen-ron-johnson-says-needs-rethink-russia-sanctions

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/21/politics/senators-russia-congressional-delegation/index.html

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a34042751/ron-johnson-ukraine-joe-biden-investigation-russia/

https://www.justsecurity.org/71947/how-sen-ron-johnsons-investigation-became-an-enabler-of-russian-disinformation-part-i/

 



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