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  On 12/10/2020 at 2:23 AM, bolverk said:

That's for the entire duration of the virus, including the initial outbreak before the lockdowns, dumbass. It's already been explained to you that does not capture the trend line over time. Looking at the average number of cases for the last week is a much more accurate reflection for where the various states stand at the moment.

Before we knew how to handle it and what the fuck was going on:

  • Northeast Corridor & International Flights from Europe: NJ, NY, MA, CT, RI, DC
  • Inland International Airports: MI, IL
  • Mardi Gras: LA, MS

Late spring outbreak and learning the ropes: 

  • Arizona

August outbreak following Sturgis fuckery:

  • ND, SD

Let's now look at the last week:

State/Territory Deaths in Last 7 Days per 100K
South Dakota 2.6
Iowa 2.2
North Dakota 2.1
Kansas 1.5
Nebraska 1.5
Illinois 1.4
Indiana 1.2
Michigan 1.2
Rhode Island 1.2
Wyoming 1.2

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsper100klast7days

Don't be a deliberate dumbass.

 

 

 

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In addition, one of the reasons for the west coast early mitigation measures was not just due to the outbreak in Washington (state) but also because of the intl. travel coming into LA and many of the cruise ship passengers were housed there. Some were in other states, including Nebraska (due to their med center there). If you look at the graphs for hospitalizations, the west coast was able to keep their curve much flatter until just recently (when compared to Texas and Florida--states that had very steep trajectories in late June/July). Getting through this without fatalities was going to be impossible, but keeping the curve flatter so that people were not turned away from the hospital or staff unable to keep pace with patient care has been an important strategy all along. El Paso was flying patients across the state last month weren't they?

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  On 12/10/2020 at 2:50 AM, Mrs Whiggins said:

In addition, one of the reasons for the west coast early mitigation measures was not just due to the outbreak in Washington (state) but also because of the intl. travel coming into LA and many of the cruise ship passengers were housed there. Some were in other states, including Nebraska (due to their med center there). If you look at the graphs for hospitalizations, the west coast was able to keep their curve much flatter until just recently (when compared to Texas and Florida--states that had very steep trajectories in late June/July). Getting through this without fatalities was going to be impossible, but keeping the curve flatter so that people were not turned away from the hospital or staff unable to keep pace with patient care has been an important strategy all along. El Paso was flying patients across the state last month weren't they?

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Yeah, the availability of ICU beds still remains critically short in El Paso. Map of new data released by the DHHS and created by the NYTimes:

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  On 12/10/2020 at 3:07 AM, Anastasis said:

Clearly, which is why you brought the topic up. Just stop embarrassing yourself JDS. That would be a good start. 

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I mistakenly thought you were still were a Republican. This was based on your posting history. Since you claim not to be, I’ll drop it. 

Is that a good start enough for you? 

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  On 12/9/2020 at 11:56 PM, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

Everywhere I go where I live people are masked up.  People are spaced out.  I do see the people here and there no wearing masks but I'd bet we are at +90% compliance. 

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What planet do you live on?  I travel around Texas quite a bit and I'm guessing 40% compliance at best.

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  On 12/10/2020 at 4:31 AM, JimmyJames said:

Nah. I’ll just stick around to the day you answer a single question posed to you. 
 

Might be awhile of course. 

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Still trolling. I've already addressed the question that you would have known the answer in advance if you paid attention. You and triple are peas in a pod.  Creating an alternate reality where you can wallow in delusion. 

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  On 12/10/2020 at 4:30 AM, jimmyjazz said:

What planet do you live on?  I travel around Texas quite a bit and I'm guessing 40% compliance at best.

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I see pretty high levels of mask compliance, with the exceptions being outdoor activities where people let the guards down, but at no point am I seeing less than 80-90%.  That's across urban and rural areas.  I go into a feed store in semi-rural texas to pick up corn and everyone I see has masks on. I do see some dumbassery....like the guy have a very animated cell phone conversation in line at the True Value that needs to take his ass outside, but he at least had a mask on. 

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  On 12/10/2020 at 4:41 AM, Anastasis said:

I see pretty high levels of mask compliance, with the exceptions being outdoor activities where people let the guards down, but at no point am I seeing less than 80-90%.  That's across urban and rural areas.  I go into a feed store in semi-rural texas to pick up corn and everyone I see has masks on. I do see some dumbassery....like the guy have a very animated cell phone conversation in line at the True Value that needs to take his ass outside, but he at least had a mask on. 

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I see horrible compliance in the Houston area, better in San Antonio and good compliance in Austin.  (Just today I had to go to the neighborhood UPS store, though, and sure enough I wasn't in that place with 2 other masked customers for a minute before some loudmouthed Karen barged in and tried to infect us all with whatever she wasn't masked up against.)

I do spend the majority of my time outside, though, so that probably explains some of it, but I'm telling you in Houston I'd say 75% of people completely ignore outdoor mask regulations.  I avoid indoors as much as humanly possible.

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Denton has good compliance with wearing a mask indoors. Maybe it's just in town because the entire county was down to just 6 open ICU beds. 

My uncle going to the hospital for nearly a month has convinced the recalcitrant members of the family of the seriousness of it. Even the most stubborn outlaws are wearing something indoors and avoiding crowds.

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  On 12/10/2020 at 4:45 AM, jimmyjazz said:

I see horrible compliance in the Houston area, better in San Antonio and good compliance in Austin.  (Just today I had to go to the neighborhood UPS store, though, and sure enough I wasn't in that place with 2 other masked customers for a minute before some loudmouthed Karen barged in and tried to infect us all with whatever she wasn't masked up against.)

I do spend the majority of my time outside, though, so that probably explains some of it, but I'm telling you in Houston I'd say 75% of people completely ignore outdoor mask regulations.  I avoid indoors as much as humanly possible.

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I was in Brady, TX a few weeks ago on the way to go hunt, and the compliance I saw was about 50% including employees.

The big Sunoco gas station just outside of Llano was just as bad or worse.

My guess is that they have tightened up since then.

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In todays news from the medical industrial complex, here are the AdComm meeting materials and the stream.  Just started.

https://www.fda.gov/advisory-committees/advisory-committee-calendar/vaccines-and-related-biological-products-advisory-committee-december-10-2020-meeting-announcement

Here are the discussion and voting questions, the elusive answers to which need to be provided by a committee meeting before the FDA is apparently able to make the obvious action.

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Posted
  On 12/10/2020 at 12:05 AM, Sawbonz said:

Mask usage is not close to 90% and there are people gathering in greater numbers than recommended all over the place. Following dear leader’s and his moronic minions’ example. And the idiot dems with the do as I say not as I do are not helping

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/world/most-americans-have-been-wearing-masks-since-spring-the-cdc-says.html

Looks like there have been some studies showing it's closer to 90 than 60. I don't know if their big enough sample size, but it's a data point.

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  On 12/10/2020 at 2:19 AM, aggie08 said:

It's almost like they expect people with dissenting opinions to do the bare minimum to passably understand the data that they're presenting and the point that they think they're making.

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What's my dissenting opinion? Have I been against masks or social distancing? I think the only thing I have spoke against is the closing of businesses or the limiting of those businesses through regulation. I think the cure can be worse than the disease especially when you see states with some of the strictest regulations regarding covid have cases exploding. Practice common sense practices with the goal being minimal impact upon businesses (jobs). High risk people should stay home as much as possible (elderly and high risk populations).  Median age of death I have seen in most states is 75-80.  Depending on the state but most I've seen is 80% of deaths are 70+.  

 

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Can’t seem to find where it was said/posted but my brother in law just messaged that 14% or Americans are now below the poverty line.  26K for a family of 4.  All this and we got fucking gop sacks of shit holding up relief because bitch mcconnel wants to include language granting immunity from lawsuits for corporations that knowingly endangered workers.

if I remember correctly it was Tyson that was placing bets on how many would get sick.  Fuck all those putos

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  On 12/10/2020 at 2:09 PM, workswithseed said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/world/most-americans-have-been-wearing-masks-since-spring-the-cdc-says.html

Looks like there have been some studies showing it's closer to 90 than 60. I don't know if their big enough sample size, but it's a data point.

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I’m not signing in to read it do you have a link to the actual study? My experience is that most people have a face covering on indoors and about half are wearing it correctly. Also there continue to be gatherings of family/friends who are not members of the same household without distancing and without mask usage. This was never only about mask usage

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  On 12/10/2020 at 2:10 PM, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

What's my dissenting opinion? Have I been against masks or social distancing? I think the only thing I have spoke against is the closing of businesses or the limiting of those businesses through regulation. I think the cure can be worse than the disease especially when you see states with some of the strictest regulations regarding covid have cases exploding. Practice common sense practices with the goal being minimal impact upon businesses (jobs). High risk people should stay home as much as possible (elderly and high risk populations).  Median age of death I have seen in most states is 75-80.  Depending on the state but most I've seen is 80% of deaths are 70+.  

 

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Well you don’t believe covid has killed 250k + Americans or that it’s crippling the healthcare delivery of our country so it’s kind of hard to take anything else you say seriously 

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  On 12/10/2020 at 4:32 PM, Sawbonz said:

I’m not signing in to read it do you have a link to the actual study? My experience is that most people have a face covering on indoors and about half are wearing it correctly. Also there continue to be gatherings of family/friends who are not members of the same household without distancing and without mask usage. This was never only about mask usage

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thanksgiving cases are starting to hit.  San Antonio is about to shut down some more bars that “transitioned” to restaurants by offering food to get around the bar closures.  Can personally state from my experience that mask usage indoors at these bars or whatever is nowhere near even 50% that I’ve seen.  Since there are no real fines for non-compliance here, it’s just walk in with a mask but after that it’s pre-Covid in that bitch.

 Bolded: shit you not a buddy owns a few snack shops in San Antonio and recently sent our group chat a video of some lady walking into the place without a mask, walk to the counter, get a bunch of napkins and proceed to hold them over her mouth after he told her she needed a mask.  He told her she needed to leave the establishment and come back with a mask as her business is not worth the safety of his 2-3 employees at the store.  The selfishness of some people is fucking ridiculous.

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  On 12/10/2020 at 4:32 PM, Sawbonz said:

I’m not signing in to read it do you have a link to the actual study? My experience is that most people have a face covering on indoors and about half are wearing it correctly. Also there continue to be gatherings of family/friends who are not members of the same household without distancing and without mask usage. This was never only about mask usage

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https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/27/more-americans-say-they-are-regularly-wearing-masks-in-stores-and-other-businesses/

 

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/10/poll-increasing-bipartisan-majority-americans-support-mask-wearing/

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  On 12/10/2020 at 4:32 PM, Sawbonz said:

I’m not signing in to read it do you have a link to the actual study? My experience is that most people have a face covering on indoors and about half are wearing it correctly. Also there continue to be gatherings of family/friends who are not members of the same household without distancing and without mask usage. This was never only about mask usage

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Here's the article and you're also right about the second part of your reply. Yeah, most folks will wear their masks (many incorrectly) in public. But when they get together with friends/family, they get complacent by either not social distancing or unmasking when in private places with them. That was certainly the case with my dad catching it when he got together with a group of friends, thinking it was fine because "we know them."

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Most Americans have been wearing masks since spring, the C.D.C. says.

Despite President Trump’s very public resistance to mask-wearing for much of this year, a newly released survey from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that a vast majority of Americans of all ages have been wearing face coverings since April.

The data, released in the agency’s weekly Morbidity and Mortality Report, is roughly in line with other polls showing that most Americans report wearing masks, at least when they are inside stores.

For example, Pew Research reported in August that 85 percent of 13,200  adults they surveyed said they wore masks in stores, up from 65 percent in June.

In a National Geographic poll released early this month, 92 percent of 2,200 Americans surveyed said they always or sometimes wore a mask when leaving the house.

The C.D.C. data, based on three monthly surveys with about 2,000 Americans each time, cover only the period from April to June.  

A C.D.C. spokesman attributed the delay in the release of the surveys findings because of “the overwhelming amount of research going on at the agency.”

The survey asked about six risk-mitigation behaviors: mask-wearing, hand-washing, keeping six feet away from others, canceling social activities, avoiding crowds and avoiding restaurants.

In general, the older respondents were, the more of those measures they took. But as early as April, 70 percent of all those aged 18 to 29 reported wearing masks, while 84 percent of those older than 60 did.

By June, 86 percent of young Americans said they were wearing them while 92 percent of the seniors said they were.

Frequent hand-washing or sanitizing was equally popular, but it dropped slightly among all age groups from April to June as scientists realized that the virus was more likely to be transmitted by a mist of tiny droplets than by picking it up from surfaces.

The least popular measures among all age groups were “canceling or postponing pleasure, social or recreational activities” and “avoiding all or some restaurants.”

In their analysis of the data, the authors observed: “Lower engagement in mitigation behaviors among younger adults might be one reason for the increased incidence of Covid-19 cases in this group, which have been shown to precede increases among those 60 years or older.”

The findings, the authors concluded, show the need for clear advice for Americans, “especially for young adults,” to protect themselves, including by wearing masks.

On Friday, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, said on CNN that “if people are not wearing masks, then maybe we should be mandating it.”

 

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  On 12/10/2020 at 5:11 PM, jimmyjazz said:

Yeah, self-reporting seems pretty sketchy.  A *whole* lot of people are likely to say they always wear a mask (when they don't) than vice versa.

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Yep. Again, like my parents, who always answered in the affirmative about whether they wear the masks to church, finally admitted upon further probing that they actually would only wear their masks while entering and exiting the sanctuary. But when they would arrive to their so-called isolated spot at the pew would remove their masks, because "it made it easier to sing."

Fucking infuriating idiocy.

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"I am totally being safe except when I take my kids to Wal Mart, school, and soccer practice. Also the girls' wine night at the bar but they're totally being safe too. Also Thanksgiving we had 40 people at our house but they have all been super safe like we have"

- Every Tahoe driving suburban mom in the universe.

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Yeah, it's not just the mask wearing.  I live in the Northeast, in an area that was hit hard during the first wave.  And the vast majority of people wear masks.  But cases are still skyrocketing again.  And based on my friends' timelines, they're just fine with Christmas parties.

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  On 12/10/2020 at 5:28 PM, BradInATX said:

"I am totally being safe except when I take my kids to Wal Mart, school, and soccer practice. Also the girls' wine night at the bar but they're totally being safe too. Also Thanksgiving we had 40 people at our house but they have all been super safe like we have"

- Every Tahoe driving suburban mom in the universe.

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This thought process is why 1 out of 6 of US adults have genital herpes

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