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  On 12/10/2020 at 7:42 PM, workswithseed said:

I mean that's our tax dollars, so we decided that. 

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Well, that's a stupid take.  I might have voted for or against politicians who support that angle, but I definitely wasn't ever asked to vote about how our government doles out superdrugs.  

I mean, people vote on the top line issues (the economy and fiscal policy, defense & military policy, human rights, a few others) but this is way down the list.  It would be nice if we could elect smart, compassionate human beings, but at least my side comes a lot closer than you and and your crew of monsters.

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  On 12/10/2020 at 5:26 PM, bolverk said:

Yep. Again, like my parents, who always answered in the affirmative about whether they wear the masks to church, finally admitted upon further probing that they actually would only wear their masks while entering and exiting the sanctuary. But when they would arrive to their so-called isolated spot at the pew would remove their masks, because "it made it easier to sing."

Fucking infuriating idiocy.

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This FDA call is a total jerk off session. The spend hours reading slide decks and abbreviate the actual meaningful discussion. We should be 1-2 weeks into vax rollout at this point. 

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This whole thing is going to boil down to whether the committee includes 16 and 17 year olds in the EUA.  The people who are going to be among the last to be prioritized for vaccination. What a joke. 

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They are about the ram through the recommendation. They have essentially shut down the dialogue on the data in favor of slide decks. Good job FDA.  Really solid work. 

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The "Polarized Pandemic" confirms Covid has become the Republican virus in the US.

The following study is useful because it provides evidence for some widely held intuitions about the virus:

  • more aggressive Covid containment measures reduce contagion levels, and
  • the degree of connection between high infection areas (which skew Republican) increases infection among them and also generates net spread to lower infection states.

 

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https://voxeu.org/article/polarised-pandemic-response-and-covid-19-connectedness-across-us-states

 

 

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  On 12/10/2020 at 9:51 PM, workswithseed said:
I agree, but that still hasn't answered my question. How will UH deal with scarcity like the tweet talks about.

The same way we handle organ donation now.

There would be a list of criteria for patients that qualify for the therapy and the patients that are most in need are prioritized. The results of a patient’s evaluation of need should then be sent blind to an independent panel and ranked against all other patients. Then everyone goes on a ranked waiting list. A patient’s economic status nor their fame nor connections would have any bearing. You’re not moved to the front of the line because your name is Rudy Giuliani or George Clooney or Bill Clinton or Jeff Bezos.

Rudy said out loud he got the treatment because celebrities get special considerations you and I will never get. Rudy should have been evaluated and placed on a list like everyone else.
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Posted
  On 12/10/2020 at 10:37 PM, Anastasis said:

Regulatory theatre. Glad we waited 20 days for that. 17-4-1 Yes No Abstain to vote on whether the data supported benefits outweigh risks.  

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So what are the no votes saying? The risk of the vaccine outweighs the risks of the Covid? Because that seems a little crazy to me, but I am a no nothing. 

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Anti vaxxer rhetoric is getting out of control on social media. All over Parler ( of course) and a lot of misinformation and deliberate disinformation. Even noticed some accounts on Twitter that use Parler in the account name. Twitter might have something to say about that, lol.

Meanwhile:

 

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  On 12/11/2020 at 1:15 AM, JimmyJames said:

So what are the no votes saying? The risk of the vaccine outweighs the risks of the Covid? Because that seems a little crazy to me, but I am a no nothing. 

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They didn’t separate out the votes for approval for 16-17 years olds.

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  On 12/11/2020 at 1:36 PM, HenryJames said:

They didn’t separate out the votes for approval for 16-17 years olds.

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Ah yes, the Epstein-BobBarr Syndrome Vaccine?  

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  On 12/11/2020 at 1:36 PM, HenryJames said:

They didn’t separate out the votes for approval for 16-17 years olds.

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Yeah. Somebody suggested an amendment given the very low number of 16 and 17 year olds in the study, and the fact that they wouldn’t be priority populations, but the chair told them to fuck right off and they were going to vote on the measure as stated.

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  On 12/11/2020 at 1:17 PM, Mrs Whiggins said:

Anti vaxxer rhetoric is getting out of control on social media. All over Parler ( of course) and a lot of misinformation and deliberate disinformation. Even noticed some accounts on Twitter that use Parler in the account name. Twitter might have something to say about that, lol.

Meanwhile:

 

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There are legitimate concerns about this vaccine. I would not fault anyone for not taking it. For the elderly and high risks the obvious benefits outweigh (at this point) theoretical risks. But I don’t have the same strong feelings that non at risk people should get it in order to protect the general population like I have for the childhood vaccines. 
 

The last thing we want is people pressured to get the vaccine and then find out after 10M doses have been given there are serious side effects. The Pfizer trial had < 50K subjects and has < 12 months of follow up. This is technology that has never been used in humans, and a drug that has been brought to market with unprecedented speed. Think Vioxx. There were some researchers that raised theoretical concerns about CV risk based on metabolic pathways but it took widespread usage and time for the increased risk to be measurable 
 

WRT the Covid vaccine only about 200 15 to 17 year olds were included and there were no children in that study, which is why there was one abstention on the panel that voted on the EUA. It was from a pediatrician, and he stated in an interview on NPR that for the pediatric population he did not have enough data to conclude benefits of protecting them from covid infection outweigh risks of harm from the vaccine.

 

All that being said I will be getting the vaccine as soon as it is available and have been encouraging any at risk patients who ask my opinion to do the same.

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  On 12/10/2020 at 5:26 PM, bolverk said:

Yep. Again, like my parents, who always answered in the affirmative about whether they wear the masks to church, finally admitted upon further probing that they actually would only wear their masks while entering and exiting the sanctuary. But when they would arrive to their so-called isolated spot at the pew would remove their masks, because "it made it easier to sing."

Fucking infuriating idiocy.

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I told my mother that I would not attend her (or my father's) funeral.  That seemed to help a little, but my other idiotic family members keep doing their best to expose my parents.  I reiterated that recently to scare her again.   I read James Agee's A Death in the Family.   I am not putting my family at risk for their poor judgement.   

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Usually I only provide a weekly update, but the US death numbers are rising so fast I figured I'd update sooner. We're up to 289,000 COVID deaths in the US, which is equivalent to the populations of Plano, Orlando, Lincoln, or Anchorage. It's incredible. Next week we should hit equivalents of several NFL cities. 

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  On 12/11/2020 at 3:50 PM, honolulu horn said:

Usually I only provide a weekly update, but the US death numbers are rising so fast I figured I'd update sooner. We're up to 289,000 COVID deaths in the US, which is equivalent to the populations of Plano, Orlando, Lincoln, or Anchorage. It's incredible. Next week we should hit equivalents of several NFL cities. 

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Don't worry, if you go by worldometer (which is updated more quickly than other sources), we are at 300,363. 

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Posted
  On 12/11/2020 at 4:09 PM, Neonmoon said:

This next guy voted on a resolution saying the media was sensationalizing Covid 

 

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Just tell him to stop sensationalizing his illness. Fucking pansy. Also from the article:

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Byrd, a former teacher and principal, in 2018 was accused by three former students of sexually assaulting them in the 1980s when he coached their girls basketball team at Wayne County High School.

He never publicly denied the allegations, but said he has done nothing wrong while in office.

 

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So... yeah... 

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1 -- the hoisting on their own petard will only increase.

2 -- it will not change their thinking one iota.

A sizable portion of our population would deny the Law of Gravity the entire time they were plummeting from the cliff they just jumped off of, railing against "gravity hoax" policies like safety railings, parachutes, etc.....right up to the moment they splatter on the ground.

Dumbest.  Fucking.  Timeline.

Posted
  On 12/11/2020 at 4:33 PM, Bama Chick said:

Welp.

I’ll probably be here till midnight tonight and will have to come in Saturday and maybe Sunday.

Currently converting labor and delivery beds to more ICU/Covid beds and converting the exam rooms in our OBGYN clinic into labor and delivery.

We also have our first morgue truck.

Please take care of yourself and reach out to your friends who are in health care.

And try not to have a stroke or get in a car wreck. We’re getting to the point where we’re going to see people dying from otherwise survivable conditions.

I’m currently in the bathroom taking 10 minutes to cry and have a tiny breakdown.

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I'm sorry.   You're far from the first person in the field I know who is in legitimate traumatic stress.  All while an entire swath of America insists that it's an overblown hoax.  On top of the stress of the actual situation, the denial of the reality that makes it worse is all the more maddening.

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  On 12/11/2020 at 2:13 PM, Sawbonz said:

There are legitimate concerns about this vaccine. I would not fault anyone for not taking it. For the elderly and high risks the obvious benefits outweigh (at this point) theoretical risks. But I don’t have the same strong feelings that non at risk people should get it in order to protect the general population like I have for the childhood vaccines. 
 

The last thing we want is people pressured to get the vaccine and then find out after 10M doses have been given there are serious side effects. The Pfizer trial had < 50K subjects and has < 12 months of follow up. This is technology that has never been used in humans, and a drug that has been brought to market with unprecedented speed. Think Vioxx. There were some researchers that raised theoretical concerns about CV risk based on metabolic pathways but it took widespread usage and time for the increased risk to be measurable 
 

WRT the Covid vaccine only about 200 15 to 17 year olds were included and there were no children in that study, which is why there was one abstention on the panel that voted on the EUA. It was from a pediatrician, and he stated in an interview on NPR that for the pediatric population he did not have enough data to conclude benefits of protecting them from covid infection outweigh risks of harm from the vaccine.

 

All that being said I will be getting the vaccine as soon as it is available and have been encouraging any at risk patients who ask my opinion to do the same.

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I have no issue with vaccine concern at all. I should've explained that the anti vaxxer crowd is not letting this go to waste and are using to spread their overall agenda. Less of the type of conversation you're describing and more fear based, Bill Gates, QAnon energy rolled into government control, dead people, Obama and the globalists. It makes the discovery of factual, information based decision making difficult for people who are less able to sort out nuances in reliable sources. Reliable sources may seem obvious to you, personally, but there are a lot of folks out there that receive and distribute information through word-of-mouth, social media, and so on and even with that, there are 'doctors' that some people follow or consult with that are more along the lines of the demon sperm woman in Houston and thus, it's hard to get people on the same page much less reading the same book. That's actually not a good analogy these days. Plenty of people read their Facebook pages but general comprehension is a different matter.

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