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21 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

And on a completely irrelevant and shallow note, I look like hammered dogshit. I’ve gained weight from eating crap because I have no time to shop healthy, much less have time to cook and I haven’t gone to the gym since April. My skin is a mess from stress, exhaustion, and I haven’t been to my facialist but once in 9 months. The bags under my eyes would be charged an overweight fee at the airport. My hair is too long and gnarly because I haven’t been to the stylist since March. Same with my nails.

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2 minutes ago, BradInATX said:
7 minutes ago, trauma babe said:
Had hoped to be receiving it this morning but it didn't work out. No firm date.

Aren't you getting Moderna? That'd mean you're waiting on that EUA which should be coming Friday.

They haven't told us shit other than to give us the option to be available yesterday or today.

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Is there any info out there on what % of Americans might be contagious at a given point in time?  I find myself wondering this every time I see a bunch of people in close quarters.

On another note, I just started hearing about a study using geographic data to try to assess risky locations, based on contact tracing between March 1 and May 2.  It showed restaurants were 4X more dangerous than other high-risk locations, which included gyms, coffee shops, hotels, and houses of worship.  I would assume "bars" would be lumped with "restaurants", but maybe not.  Also, one story indicated that nursing homes and schools were not assessed because of lack of data.

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29 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Is there any info out there on what % of Americans might be contagious at a given point in time?  I find myself wondering this every time I see a bunch of people in close quarters.

On another note, I just started hearing about a study using geographic data to try to assess risky locations, based on contact tracing between March 1 and May 2.  It showed restaurants were 4X more dangerous than other high-risk locations, which included gyms, coffee shops, hotels, and houses of worship.  I would assume "bars" would be lumped with "restaurants", but maybe not.  Also, one story indicated that nursing homes and schools were not assessed because of lack of data.

This has been posted before and not sure this is exactly what you’re looking for, but I find this link interesting/useful:

https://covid19risk.biosci.gatech.edu

 

Anywhere indoors with >10 people with uncovered mouths is bad.  Anywhere people are singing, shouting, or eating is exponentially worse.

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46 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Is there any info out there on what % of Americans might be contagious at a given point in time?  I find myself wondering this every time I see a bunch of people in close quarters.

On another note, I just started hearing about a study using geographic data to try to assess risky locations, based on contact tracing between March 1 and May 2.  It showed restaurants were 4X more dangerous than other high-risk locations, which included gyms, coffee shops, hotels, and houses of worship.  I would assume "bars" would be lumped with "restaurants", but maybe not.  Also, one story indicated that nursing homes and schools were not assessed because of lack of data.

Here is an article estimating 3-4M people infected or around 1% of US population.  
 

There was an abstract from a paper I saw where the ranges of positive but not tested were 3-20x more than confirmed cases. So ranges are large. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/health/covid-3-milliion-plus-infected/2020/11/18/d9f079a8-2849-11eb-8fa2-06e7cbb145c0_story.html%3foutputType=amp

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59 minutes ago, trauma babe said:

They haven't told us shit other than to give us the option to be available yesterday or today.

I hope it comes soon, I really do. I'm hoping you get whatever you all need.

 

I'm getting a little concerned that this is going the typical WH way of big promise, early ejaculation, and pffft. Will have to find the source but it was some medicos expressing alarm that the WH keeps dialing back the number they're going to ship. If I find it I will post it. To clarify, I'm not talking about the news of the decline to purchase story with Pfizer, but news that's been coming out since the vaccine summit a couple of days ago. Or the news that they will be stockpiling some for emergencies and/or second rounds. I get that production is an issue; like toilet paper, you can only make so much at a time and with vaccines quality control is paramount, but combining this with the Trump Admin not allowing the Biden team to attend is just criminal.

Absolutely horrific that no one outside the WH (i.e. Congress) has not stepped in and taken the twitter blows to emerge a hero. Why that body of 100 Senators and 535 representatives cannot pull themselves together and unify to get this done is an abomination. Geez people, you outnumber him and that type of unification would not end with the whole Trumpistan cult voting you out the way you think they would. They respond to authoritarian tone and if you aren't the authority to stand up to a bully then I don't know who is. Lame ass panty waists afraid of tweets. Well, boo hoo. One guy stood in front of a tank in China and you can't lift a finger to agree that America needs this put together.

 

Sorry for the rant.

 

 

 

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I hope/expect they are sandbagging.  I still think the # of cases/hospitalizations will start dropping dramatically in mid February, with most restrictions lifted by late March and the pandemic all but over by Memorial Day.


This is where I'm at too. We need 70% antibodies for full herd immunity. We don't need anywhere near 70% for cases to plunge to near-zero. By spring everyone old or at risk will be vaccinated (or have had the opportunity) and the deaths and hospitalizations will plummet. Memorial Day is the date I've always figured we'll be back to fully open by. Maybe an occasional local flare-up forces brief restrictions here and there, but that's it.

There will be a point when everyone on all sides of this virus will coalesce around a "well, you had a chance to get vaccinated, Mr. 75 year old diabetic. Sorry but we're opening up" stance. One side hasn't cared about killing people the whole time and the other side is not going to have sympathy for antivaxxers. For a brief fleeting moment the death cult and the Covid-cautious folks are going to be aligned.

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4 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

This is what we're up against: an editor for the Federalist tweets out a tweet praising the brave and selfless volunteers who took the Covid vaccine.  Read the responses.  The GOP has become the party of the ignorant, anti-science, uneducated masses. 
 

 

No doubt - they have become luddites with their views of science. 

But Mollie Hemingway bears some responsibility for helping to create and encourage trumpism's anti-science views. 

For example:

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Gove County, Kansas - Deadliest County in the United States for Covid

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As of Thursday, coronavirus has killed a higher percentage of Gove County residents than any other county in the United States:

  • One out of every 132 people has died. 
  • Their intertwined stories illuminate the toll the pandemic has taken on communities across the country as emotional debates over how to control the infection have unfolded amid mounting losses. 
  • Even today, mask-wearing remains controversial in Gove County, and friendships are being strained as authorities struggle to persuade their neighbors to follow basic public health guidelines, such as avoiding large gatherings.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/12/12/coronavirus-deaths-highest-us-rural-republican-leaning-county/3828902001/ (emphasis and concise formatting not in original). 

 

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1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Vaccine allocation dashboard (it tells you how many doses of vaccine are headed to states and urban areas in the United States): https://public.tableau.com/profile/benjamin.renton#!/vizhome/COVID-19VaccineAllocationDashboard/Dashboard1

 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/13/world/white-house-staff-members-will-be-among-the-first-to-be-vaccinated.html

 

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White House staff members who work in close quarters with President Trump have been told they are scheduled to receive injections of the coronavirus vaccine soon, at a time when the first doses of the vaccine are being distributed only to high-risk health care workers, according to two sources familiar with the distribution plans.

The goal of distributing the vaccine inside the West Wing is to prevent additional government officials from falling ill in the final weeks of the Trump administration. The hope is to eventually distribute the vaccine to everyone who works in the White House, but will begin with some of the most senior people who work around the president, one of the people said.

 

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It is not clear how many doses are being allocated to the White House, or how many are needed. While many Trump officials said they were eager to receive the vaccine and would take it if it were offered, others said they were concerned it would send the wrong message by making it look like Trump staff members were hopping the line in order to protect a president who already had the virus and has bragged that he is now “immune.”

The first doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine left a facility in Michigan early Sunday, with UPS and FedEx teaming up to ship them to all 50 states for distribution. A White House spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

Gove County, Kansas - Deadliest County in the United States for Covid

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/12/12/coronavirus-deaths-highest-us-rural-republican-leaning-county/3828902001/ (emphasis and concise formatting not in original). 

 

Holy shit. 1 out of every 132 residents of the county dead. That’s 0.75% of the county killed by Covid. Crazy. 

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Just now, Neonmoon said:

I hate Trump and his enablers with the heat of a thousand suns, but I don’t understand the outrage at the WH getting vaccinated first. They should be. As should Biden/Harris and his team. 

Ordinarily, I would agree. However, the President himself has stated publicly he is immune since he has had it, several members of the WH has already had it, and the WH as a whole has largely written off Covid off (and has downplayed it since March).

 

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26 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Holy shit. 1 out of every 132 residents of the county dead. That’s 0.75% of the county killed by Covid. Crazy. 

I suppose I should feel sorry for those people.  But I don’t. The community made its choice.  Personal responsibility and what not. 

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2 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

Gove County, Kansas - Deadliest County in the United States for Covid

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/12/12/coronavirus-deaths-highest-us-rural-republican-leaning-county/3828902001/ (emphasis and concise formatting not in original). 

 

@LoboIsn't your wife's extended family from this part of western Kansas?

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Listen to this batshit crazy lunatic!


"Trump's thirst for attention and praise has clouded even these early days of the vaccine rollout, with doses of the Pfizer and BioNTech vaccine rolling out in trucks headed toward providers early Sunday after the US Food and Drug Administration authorized emergency use of the vaccine late Friday night.

Trump has not been pleased watching other nations like the United Kingdom authorize the Pfizer vaccine first -- seeming most concerned about ensuring that he gets the proper credit for his efforts to speed their development through his administration's Operation Warp Speed. In the Fox News interview, he claimed that he deserved the sole credit for the accelerating the development of the vaccine.

 
"If I wasn't President, according to almost everybody, even the enemy, if I wasn't President you wouldn't have a vaccine for five years," Trump said in the interview, which was taped Saturday at the Army-Navy game.
 
"I pushed the FDA and companies and everybody else involved like nobody's ever been pushed before, and now you have it rolling out and frankly you could have done it last week," Trump said. "They could have even done it a week sooner if they heard from me."
 
His frustrations about the pace of the vaccine review process spilled into public view hours before the FDA made its emergency use authorization announcement Friday. CNN reported that White House chief of staff Mark Meadows tried to intervene on behalf of the President by pressuring FDA Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn to make the decision by the end of the day, warning that he would be fired if he did not."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/13/politics/donald-trump-william-barr-pfizer-vaccine/index.html
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2 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Listen to this batshit crazy lunatic!


"Trump's thirst for attention and praise has clouded even these early days of the vaccine rollout, with doses of the Pfizer and BioNTech vaccine rolling out in trucks headed toward providers early Sunday after the US Food and Drug Administration authorized emergency use of the vaccine late Friday night.

Trump has not been pleased watching other nations like the United Kingdom authorize the Pfizer vaccine first -- seeming most concerned about ensuring that he gets the proper credit for his efforts to speed their development through his administration's Operation Warp Speed. In the Fox News interview, he claimed that he deserved the sole credit for the accelerating the development of the vaccine.

 
"If I wasn't President, according to almost everybody, even the enemy, if I wasn't President you wouldn't have a vaccine for five years," Trump said in the interview, which was taped Saturday at the Army-Navy game.
 
"I pushed the FDA and companies and everybody else involved like nobody's ever been pushed before, and now you have it rolling out and frankly you could have done it last week," Trump said. "They could have even done it a week sooner if they heard from me."
 
His frustrations about the pace of the vaccine review process spilled into public view hours before the FDA made its emergency use authorization announcement Friday. CNN reported that White House chief of staff Mark Meadows tried to intervene on behalf of the President by pressuring FDA Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn to make the decision by the end of the day, warning that he would be fired if he did not."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/13/politics/donald-trump-william-barr-pfizer-vaccine/index.html

He needs to be silenced. 

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Like everything he says, that’s a lie. His 5 year thing is because someone told him previously IN THE PAST it took 5 years to make vaccines, so he assumes all vaccines take that long. He is omitting all the new information about vaccine development. 

Pfiser started developing their vaccine last January. They didn’t accept government funding. He didn’t do shit. He even said no thanks to more doses. 

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37 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Like everything he says, that’s a lie. His 5 year thing is because someone told him previously IN THE PAST it took 5 years to make vaccines, so he assumes all vaccines take that long. He is omitting all the new information about vaccine development. 

Pfiser started developing their vaccine last January. They didn’t accept government funding. He didn’t do shit. He even said no thanks to more doses. 

He is abusive. An abuser. He enjoys inflicting abuse on others. 

Unfit. 

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1 hour ago, bolverk said:

@LoboIsn't your wife's extended family from this part of western Kansas?

Yep, her parents are still there (precisely in the middle of that tiny county) along with dozens of aunts, uncles, grandparents, and cousins.  Her mother is struggling with the infection right now and was one of only a few that wore masks, socially distanced, and tried to care for others during the most recent wave.  The article is gut-wrenching and I know my wife's parents will know most of the people mentioned in the article.  It's bad timing to share it any of them right now, but thanks for posting.  I;m gonna pray they make it through (both parents are about half-way through right now) and then I'll give it to my wife to pass along to others up there that still laugh this thing off.  THat was a fucking tough read.  We just got home from the trail of lights, she's upstairs putting the kids to bed and I'm fighting back tears because it so accurately sums up how even her dad feels about the virus right now and certainly so much of her friends' parents, et al.  

And no offense to this Catholic head of all churches up there, Rev. Thomas.  But his flippant attitude about how many people are dying is insulting.  "In our retirement home, the people who died were aged and had underlying health conditions.  They had various health issues and that's the main reason they died."  Yeah, people in retirement homes tend to be aged man, that's why they're there.  The number one culprit, IMO, up there for community spread is church.  They are all still guilt tripped into attending so they can put money in the basket in front of everyone.  This is a farming community, no BigAg, all legacy family cattle ranches and farms.  They don't work in crowded offices.  They don't shop in big box stores.  There are no bars.  There are only a handful of schools that only have a few dozen students each.  It is a county of people over 65.  Most rugged and thin, but with underlying health issues from living a tough lifestyle with no access to good food.  They are transmitting it to one another mainly at church and at in-home social gatherings which are still the two foundations of life off the farm up there.  There no theaters, no stores, no festivals, none of the other transmissible venues you see in other parts of the nation.  They're giving it to each other at church and in their homes, 95% of the explanation, full stop.  And the shitty thing is there are no hospitals there, no facilities.  And they'll be among the last people in the country to receive the vaccine.  FUCK. 

Jesus nor Trump can save them now.  I feel so bad for her mom.  She is so damn considerate.  Took every precaution to prepare and deliver food to the front porches of older folks stricken with Covid-19.  Then she wears a mask to church and tries to avoid all the post-church gatherings only to be mocked by people she's lived in that county with all her life (70 years).  And they passed the virus to her anyways because self-quarantine is a sign of embarassment up there.  FUCK!

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Yep, her parents are still there (precisely in the middle of that tiny county) along with dozens of aunts, uncles, grandparents, and cousins.  Her mother is struggling with the infection right now and was one of only a few that wore masks, socially distanced, and tried to care for others during the most recent wave.  The article is gut-wrenching and I know my wife's parents will know most of the people mentioned in the article.  It's bad timing to share it any of them right now, but thanks for posting.  I;m gonna pray they make it through (both parents are about half-way through right now) and then I'll give it to my wife to pass along to others up there that still laugh this thing off.  THat was a fucking tough read.  We just got home from the trail of lights, she's upstairs putting the kids to bed and I'm fighting back tears because it so accurately sums up how even her dad feels about the virus right now and certainly so much of her friends' parents, et al.  
And no offense to this Catholic head of all churches up there, Rev. Thomas.  But his flippant attitude about how many people are dying is insulting.  "In our retirement home, the people who died were aged and had underlying health conditions.  They had various health issues and that's the main reason they died."  Yeah, people in retirement homes tend to be aged man, that's why they're there.  The number one culprit, IMO, up there for community spread is church.  They are all still guilt tripped into attending so they can put money in the basket in front of everyone.  This is a farming community, no BigAg, all legacy family cattle ranches and farms.  They don't work in crowded offices.  They don't shop in big box stores.  There are no bars.  There are only a handful of schools that only have a few dozen students each.  It is a county of people over 65.  Most rugged and thin, but with underlying health issues from living a tough lifestyle with no access to good food.  They are transmitting it to one another mainly at church and at in-home social gatherings which are still the two foundations of life off the farm up there.  There no theaters, no stores, no festivals, none of the other transmissible venues you see in other parts of the nation.  They're giving it to each other at church and in their homes, 95% of the explanation, full stop.  And the shitty thing is there are no hospitals there, no facilities.  And they'll be among the last people in the country to receive the vaccine.  FUCK. 
Jesus nor Trump can save them now.  I feel so bad for her mom.  She is so damn considerate.  Took every precaution to prepare and deliver food to the front porches of older folks stricken with Covid-19.  Then she wears a mask to church and tries to avoid all the post-church gatherings only to be mocked by people she's lived in that county with all her life (70 years).  And they passed the virus to her anyways because self-quarantine is a sign of embarassment up there.  FUCK!
I have a coworker (one of my closer ones) from a couple cities over. Her grandmother passed away last week. Her other grandmother is currently sick. It basically ran right through their facility. She's furious right now... having to livestream your grandma's funeral will do that. I normally share any story out of rural Kansas with her because she loves talking about home. I'll not share this one.


Prayers for your wife's family.
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2 hours ago, Lobo said:

Yep, her parents are still there (precisely in the middle of that tiny county) along with dozens of aunts, uncles, grandparents, and cousins.  Her mother is struggling with the infection right now and was one of only a few that wore masks, socially distanced, and tried to care for others during the most recent wave.  The article is gut-wrenching and I know my wife's parents will know most of the people mentioned in the article.  It's bad timing to share it any of them right now, but thanks for posting.  I;m gonna pray they make it through (both parents are about half-way through right now) and then I'll give it to my wife to pass along to others up there that still laugh this thing off.  THat was a fucking tough read.  We just got home from the trail of lights, she's upstairs putting the kids to bed and I'm fighting back tears because it so accurately sums up how even her dad feels about the virus right now and certainly so much of her friends' parents, et al.  

And no offense to this Catholic head of all churches up there, Rev. Thomas.  But his flippant attitude about how many people are dying is insulting.  "In our retirement home, the people who died were aged and had underlying health conditions.  They had various health issues and that's the main reason they died."  Yeah, people in retirement homes tend to be aged man, that's why they're there.  The number one culprit, IMO, up there for community spread is church.  They are all still guilt tripped into attending so they can put money in the basket in front of everyone.  This is a farming community, no BigAg, all legacy family cattle ranches and farms.  They don't work in crowded offices.  They don't shop in big box stores.  There are no bars.  There are only a handful of schools that only have a few dozen students each.  It is a county of people over 65.  Most rugged and thin, but with underlying health issues from living a tough lifestyle with no access to good food.  They are transmitting it to one another mainly at church and at in-home social gatherings which are still the two foundations of life off the farm up there.  There no theaters, no stores, no festivals, none of the other transmissible venues you see in other parts of the nation.  They're giving it to each other at church and in their homes, 95% of the explanation, full stop.  And the shitty thing is there are no hospitals there, no facilities.  And they'll be among the last people in the country to receive the vaccine.  FUCK. 

Jesus nor Trump can save them now.  I feel so bad for her mom.  She is so damn considerate.  Took every precaution to prepare and deliver food to the front porches of older folks stricken with Covid-19.  Then she wears a mask to church and tries to avoid all the post-church gatherings only to be mocked by people she's lived in that county with all her life (70 years).  And they passed the virus to her anyways because self-quarantine is a sign of embarassment up there.  FUCK!

Sorry about your wife's mother. Hope she recovers quickly.  My grandmother caught in Northcentral KS, about 10 days ago, in her nursing home. It was only a matter of time. Fourteen staff members had it previously. So far she has not had any complications. I hope that continues.

She lives in that same type of small, rural farming community with an aged population. What you described in your second paragraph is what most of rural Kansas is like. It's why COVID is so deadly when it shows up in those places.

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44 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

The vaccine requires two doses. What the fuck is wrong with these people?

 

 

The data suggest first dose protection. Its in the curves. It’s not a totally wing nut idea imo.  Unfortunately they didn’t have a single dose arm in their study.  

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18 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

I hate Trump and his enablers with the heat of a thousand suns, but I don’t understand the outrage at the WH getting vaccinated first. They should be. As should Biden/Harris and his team. 

Staffers can wait. Everyone in the current line of succession should get it TODAY, plus Biden/Harris. 

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