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I'd just like to point out that neither myself nor any of my fellow nurses, fellow advanced nurse practitioners, and other healthcare providers ever swore an oath that we would lay down our lives for

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Welp, it finally happened. I snapped in public today. I went into work for a bit this morning because I’m trying to figure out the safest way to host physicians we are recruiting given our CV-19 sit

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I don't really know what to say anymore tbh. What happened last night is hard to put into words for anyone who hasn't worked in a hospital healthcare setting. Just unreal. Everyone is getting fucked.

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You guys could be cool and just sent it gratis to places where malaria is still a huge issue.  But nope, you're fucking stupid.  Which would explain why you're holding.

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16 minutes ago, Lobo said:

You guys could be cool and just sent it gratis to places where malaria is still a huge issue.  But nope, you're fucking stupid.  Which would explain why you're holding.

We should just send it to @Anastasis. Maybe it'll give him something to do other than posting every 30 seconds. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Jesus. All reasonable people people have moved on from hcq. 

Dude, there's still four people in the hospital from drinking bleach last Spring.  We ain't done with the idiocy by a damn sight.  

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Some MF didn’t just fly from Johannesburg to Columbia. We barely sequence any of our cases. These variants have likely been here for months. We’ll see what they’re capable of soon enough.

The Brazilian variant is in Minnesota and the contact tracers did not have much luck apparently....so, yeah it's a race to try and stay ahead of everything.

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19 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

Per Henry's tweet above we're right at 10% of the adult population vaccinated, with pretty rapid acceleration and the one shot J&J on the horizon.

I'm telling yall, Memorial Day we're all going to party our fuckin asses off.

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Gonna vaccinate 30M in February, 40M ppl in March, and 50M/mo after that until everybody who wants it has gotten it.  Unless experts are wrong/lying about how effective the vaccine is, this thing is done by early May for all intents and purposes.  It peaked last week and it ain’t comin back.

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https://www.motherjones.com/coronavirus-updates/2021/01/a-rural-county-in-georgia-vaccinated-teachers-the-state-suspended-vaccine-shipments-to-punish-them/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=naytev&utm_medium=social

 

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In most places in the United States, teachers don’t yet qualify for COVID-19 vaccines. But one county in rural Georgia decided several weeks ago that its educators deserved early protection from the coronavirus—and now will face stiff consequences as a result. 

 

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Bucking designated priority group orders from the Georgia Department of Public Health, officials in Elbert County allowed teachers to be vaccinated at the same time as senior citizens over the age of 65. The county, which is in the northeast corner of Georgia, opened schools for in-person learning in the fall. Elbert County officials explained to the Atlanta Journal Constitution that many local students lack internet required for remote learning, and some rely on schools for food. The teachers are “seeing it, they’re facing it every day, a lot of times with 20 kids in their classroom,” Elbert County School District superintendent Jon Jarvis told the Atlanta Journal Constitution earlier this week.  

 

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But yesterday, Elbert County got word from the Georgia Department of Public Health that it would be punished for flouting the guidelines. The state plans to suspend all vaccine shipments to Elbert County for six months. According to Georgia DPH spokesperson Nancy Nydam, the state will not resume shipments to Elbert County until late July. “It is critical that DPH maintains the highest standards for vaccine accountability to ensure all federal and state requirements are adhered to by all parties, and vaccine is administered efficiently and equitably,” Nydam wrote to me in an email.

 

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That decision doesn’t sit right with Peter Hotez, a vaccinologist, pediatrician, and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine. “I think it’s really important that we stop punishing groups or individuals for vaccinating those outside state or [national] COVID-19 vaccination guidelines,” he wrote to me in an email. He wrote that the guidelines aren’t laws, and that they were proposed “without a full understanding of our depleted health system for administering adult vaccinations.” He added that the guidelines “mostly serve as a barrier or hindrance to vaccinations rather than their intended purpose.”

Those sentiments were echoed by Jen Kates, senior vice president and director of global health & HIV policy at the Kaiser Family Foundation, who is tracking vaccine rollout efforts across the nation. “These are really impossible choices for any jurisdiction to make, and it raises tough questions about how states can best manage this process, ensure some uniformity across the state, and get shots in arms,” she wrote in an email. “Still, at the end of the day, it is not clear that this ‘stick’ approach, which cuts off the county from more doses, helps to reach the goal of vaccinating people—even those in the state’s priority groups—more quickly.”

When I tried to reach Elbert County’s Jarvis, his team emailed back a press release, which didn’t indicate whether the county planned to back off of vaccinating teachers. “Our goal during the COVID-19 pandemic has been to provide the best possible education for our students through both in-person and distance learning options, which we have done all but six days since the school year began in August,” the press release said. “The Elbert County School District will continue in its commitment to work in partnership with our local health officials, teachers, staff, and families to mitigate the spread of COVID-19 in our school district and community

 

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Per Henry's tweet above we're right at 10% of the adult population vaccinated, with pretty rapid acceleration and the one shot J&J on the horizon.

I'm telling yall, Memorial Day we're all going to party our fuckin asses off.

J&J isn’t going to be able to deliver significant volume until April at best, and we don’t know how well it works, particularly against newer variants. All told, Memorial Day is a little optimistic in my view. But I do think the wave we’re coming down from right now (not over - case loads are still high in absolute terms, and deaths are basically unfathomable) is the peak of the pandemic in the US. We may see one more cyclical wave with spring break type stuff and just people generally getting lax, but it shouldn’t be like this. July 4th or even Labor Day feels right to me.
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I see what you are saying, and if the comparison is "what about" sycophants like Rudy.. the argument carries considerable weight.
However in Brix' case she gave tacit endorsement to stupidity time and again when standing in front of the biggest microphone.  Does it eliminate the good done from a 25K drive from place to place to push a differing view than the one tacitly endorsed with the megaphone? Certainly not, but you also cannot dismiss the failure to present that same message when the largest megaphone was at her disposal.
Birx ended up in the place a lot of less principled folks found themselves. Where the seduction of power gradually impairs your better judgement, and your compromised actions honestly are NOT near a bad as (insert your whatabout name here)... you continue to tell yourself.  You tell yourself that you are doing your best and trying behind the scenes to push what is right.  But at the megaphone... 
Rightly or wrongly Birx is much more closely associated with Trump's virus stupidity, simply because she chose to allow herself be the preferred medical face of the virus response by Donald Trump.  I think you can point clearly to her lavishly complementing Trump's acumen for understanding the data of the vaccine, and her silence on the bleaching blood as perhaps... just perhaps of instances where she clearly did not speak truth to power.
NOBODY want's to be have their lives judged by singular moments or time periods.  Unfortunately that is often how our lives are defined.  I imagine a lot of guys wish they till had their wives and families if not for that one period where they were sticking their dicks into somebody other than their wife? NOT equivocating that level of betrayal in Brix at all!  Just an example of where one moment of decision making can indeed shape the lens from which a life is viewed?

IOW, fuck one goat...
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Well, we are fucked.  Probably. (hope not but my head is saying probably)

It is possible that the Biden administration can kick ass in a way that is nearly unimaginable in speed and scope...  but we already know the supply of vaccine is limited.  The virus is simply now at a point where even our fastest vaccine ever, is becoming incrementally obsolete each passing day.  The fact of the matter is viruses mutate.  The more transmissions the more that old silly Darwin stuff starts to creep in.  Nature adapts. Think of how many years and generations of reproduction it takes to produce the uniquely adaptive creatures in the Galapagos. Now think of a virus that produces a "new generation" every few days with exponential growth in each generation.  That is a shit ton of random adaptation and replication.  

What we know so far is that the the newest South African version is resistant to the current vaccine or vaccines in the test tube environment. (Fauchi) Cases confirmed in South Carolina today. Right now I am more of the opinion that we are going to be playing from behind for the next few years.  As I think that nature is simply more efficient than man in most instances.

Here is some antidotal information you might find interesting.  A couple we know that we figured would get the virus did and they thought they had a cold until she lost her taste.  Basically all they has was a dry cough.  I think she's like 68 and he's 70 and in decent but not fantastic health.  Mostly just a dry cough. On the other hand my wife spoke to either an administrator or nurse who got the virus that was 33, male and fairly obese.  He got sick, and went into the hospital and got the regeneron therapy and recovered after a couple weeks.  He said when he did manage to cough up and clear stuff in his lungs it was like oatmeal.  Fucking oatmeal sort of freaked me out honestly.

Hopefully, I am wrong about the race against natures adaptation and replication.  I want to KNOW what the figures on protection are for the existing vaccines versus the new strains.  Simply as I prefer data to my instincts.

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What we know so far is that the the newest South African version is resistant to the current vaccine or vaccines in the test tube environment. (Fauchi)

Novavax was 60% effective as long as you don’t have AIDS like @bad_teammate.

Small study, but that’s a really good number for a vaccine that wasn’t really designed to target the variant.

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Well, we are fucked.  Probably. (hope not but my head is saying probably)

It is possible that the Biden administration can kick ass in a way that is nearly unimaginable in speed and scope...  but we already know the supply of vaccine is limited.  The virus is simply now at a point where even our fastest vaccine ever, is becoming incrementally obsolete each passing day.  The fact of the matter is viruses mutate.  The more transmissions the more that old silly Darwin stuff starts to creep in.  Nature adapts. Think of how many years and generations of reproduction it takes to produce the uniquely adaptive creatures in the Galapagos. Now think of a virus that produces a "new generation" every few days with exponential growth in each generation.  That is a shit ton of random adaptation and replication.  

What we know so far is that the the newest South African version is resistant to the current vaccine or vaccines in the test tube environment. (Fauchi) Cases confirmed in South Carolina today. Right now I am more of the opinion that we are going to be playing from behind for the next few years.  As I think that nature is simply more efficient than man in most instances.

Here is some antidotal information you might find interesting.  A couple we know that we figured would get the virus did and they thought they had a cold until she lost her taste.  Basically all they has was a dry cough.  I think she's like 68 and he's 70 and in decent but not fantastic health.  Mostly just a dry cough. On the other hand my wife spoke to either an administrator or nurse who got the virus that was 33, male and fairly obese.  He got sick, and went into the hospital and got the regeneron therapy and recovered after a couple weeks.  He said when he did manage to cough up and clear stuff in his lungs it was like oatmeal.  Fucking oatmeal sort of freaked me out honestly.

Hopefully, I am wrong about the race against natures adaptation and replication.  I want to KNOW what the figures on protection are for the existing vaccines versus the new strains.  Simply as I prefer data to my instincts.

You are posting misinformation.  So far, it looks like the vaccine works against the new variants.  They may be less effective, but they still appear to work well enough that they would end the pandemic if enough people were vaccinated.

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