CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[lemonlime 5503]

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

Actions, meet consequences.

[Anastasis 23469]

Good.  Conferences involving travel from other states and locations to Austin are still a bad idea.  Dumb that it took wheels doing wheels shit to cancel those conferences. 

[HenryJames 66041]

 

[bolverk 29667]

We've got multiple threads that this could be posted, given all the overlap.

Far-Right Extremists Move From ‘Stop the Steal’ to Stop the Vaccine
Extremist organizations are now bashing the safety and efficacy of coronavirus vaccines in an effort to try to undermine the government.

Adherents of far-right groups who cluster online have turned repeatedly to one particular website in recent weeks — the federal database showing deaths and adverse reactions nationwide among people who have received Covid-19 vaccinations.

Although negative reactions have been relatively rare, the numbers are used by many extremist groups to try to bolster a rash of false and alarmist disinformation in articles and videos with titles like “Covid-19 Vaccines Are Weapons of Mass Destruction — and Could Wipe out the Human Race” or “Doctors and Nurses Giving the Covid-19 Vaccine Will be Tried as War Criminals.”

If the so-called Stop the Steal movement appeared to be chasing a lost cause once President Biden was inaugurated, its supporters among extremist organizations are now adopting a new agenda from the anti-vaccination campaign to try to undermine the government.

Bashing of the safety and efficacy of vaccines is occurring in chat rooms frequented by all manner of right-wing groups including the Proud Boys; the Boogaloo movement, a loose affiliation known for wanting to spark a second Civil War; and various paramilitary organizations.

These groups tend to portray vaccines as a symbol of excessive government control. “If less people get vaccinated then the system will have to use more aggressive force on the rest of us to make us get the shot,” read a recent post on the Telegram social media platform, in a channel linked to members of the Proud Boys charged in storming the Capitol.

The marked focus on vaccines is particularly striking on discussion channels populated by followers of QAnon, who had falsely prophesied that Donald J. Trump would continue as president while his political opponents were marched off to jail.

“They rode the shift in the national conversation away from Trump to what was happening with the massive ramp up in vaccines,” said Devin Burghart, the head of the Seattle-based Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights, which monitors far-right movements, referring to followers of QAnon. “It allowed them to pivot away from the failure of their previous prophecy to focus on something else.”

Apocalyptic warnings about the vaccine feed into the far-right narrative that the government cannot be trusted, the sentiment also at the root of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. The more vaccine opponents succeed in preventing or at least delaying herd immunity, experts noted, the longer it will take for life to return to normal and that will further undermine faith in the government and its institutions.

Last spring, a common purpose among far-right activists and the anti-vaccination movement first emerged during armed protests in numerous state capitols against coronavirus lockdown measures. That cross-pollination expanded over time.

On Jan. 6, while rioters advanced on the Capitol, numerous leading figures in the anti-vaccination movement were onstage nearby, holding their own rally to attack both the election results and Covid-19 vaccinations.

Events overshadowed their protest, but at least one outspoken activist, Dr. Simone Gold of Beverly Hills, Calif., was charged with breaching the Capitol. She called her arrest an attack on free speech. She was one of several doctors who appeared in a video last year spreading misleading claims about the coronavirus. Mr. Trump shared a version of the video, which Facebook, YouTube and Twitter removed after millions of viewers watched it.

In the months since inoculations started in December, the alliance grouping extremist organizations with the anti-vaccination movement has grown larger and more vocal, as conspiracy theories about vaccines proliferated while those about the presidential vote count receded.

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With their protests continuing, far-right groups deployed many of the same talking points as the vaccination opponents. Prominent voices in both the “Stop the Steal” and the anti-vaccination movements helped to organize scattered rallies on March 20 against vaccines, masks and social distancing in American cities including Portland, Ore., and Raleigh, N.C., as well as in Europe, Australia, Canada and other countries around the world.

In April, a conference with the tagline “Learn How to Fight Back for Your Health and Freedom,” is set to bring together Trump allies like Michael Flynn and Sidney Powell along with high-profile members of the anti-vaccination effort.

Maligning the coronavirus vaccines is obviously not limited to extremist groups tied to the Capitol riot. There is deep partisanship over the vaccines generally.

One third of Republicans surveyed in a CBS News poll said that they would avoid getting vaccinated — compared with 10 percent of Democrats — and another 20 percent of Republicans said they were unsure. Other polls found similar trends.

About 100 members of the House of Representatives, roughly one-quarter, had not been vaccinated as of mid-March, according to Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the House minority leader.

It is unclear where Mr. Trump will fit into the vaccine battle. The former president, who has been vaccinated, endorsed getting the shot recently, provoking some disbelief in QAnon and other chat rooms. “I would recommend it, and I would recommend it to a lot of people that don’t want to get it, and a lot of those people voted for me frankly,” he said in an interview with Fox News.

Across right wing-channels online, certain constant memes have emerged attacking the vaccine, like a cartoon suggesting that what started with mask mandates will end with concentration camps run by FEMA for those who refuse vaccinations.

Numerous channels link to the government website called VAERS, for Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, to energize followers. It had reported 2,216 deaths among people vaccinated for the three months before March 22, with 126 million doses administered. The Covid-19 vaccines in use, like most vaccinations, are considered overwhelmingly safe, but inevitably a small percentage of recipients suffer adverse reactions, some of them severe. The deaths have not been directly linked to the vaccinations.

The raw, incomplete VAERS statistics are meant for scientists and medical professionals, but are widely used among extremist groups to try to undermine confidence in the vaccine. One video consisted of a person reading the details from the chart aloud barking “Murder” where the chart said “Death.”

On Telegram, channels frequented by tens of thousands of QAnon followers are full of videos warning of the dire consequences of taking the vaccine. For example, David Icke, a British serial conspiracy theorist, posted a video called “Murder by Vaccine” saying that it transformed the nature of the human body. (The claims that the vaccines change human DNA are false.)

Mr. Icke was previously best known for pushing the idea that the world was controlled by shape-shifting alien lizards who inhabited a global network of underground tunnels.

The general proliferation of conspiracy theories by QAnon followers for years has helped to create a shared vocabulary among far-right organizations, experts said, which smoothed the way for spreading false information about the vaccines. “The last year with Covid has just been a perfect storm that whatever your crazy conspiracy belief is, there is someone who has a Covid conspiracy to match it,” said Melissa Ryan, chief executive of Card Strategies, a consulting firm that researches disinformation.

The vaccines are sometimes referred to as a “potion,” sometimes as a “bioweapon,” and there are claims that vaccinated people are “shedding mutant viruses.”

Telegram is the locus of much of the disinformation and fear mongering. On one channel, there are claims that the vaccine is an instrument of depopulation. “A massive death wave will be witnessed later this year among those who took the vaccine,” read one posting.

In Idaho, the far-right activist Ammon Bundy helped to push for a proposed state law to ban any mandatory vaccines, although work stalled after the legislature suspended its work on March 19 for more than two weeks because too many lawmakers contracted the coronavirus.

The question is where this newly forged alliance goes from here. Some analysts believe its life span will prove limited, with the far right pivoting to some other issue, like immigration. Eventually, hundreds of millions of Americans will be vaccinated, they noted, and vaccine skepticism is not the same thing as being anti-vaccination. Some doubters will soften if time proves the vaccines effective.

A new report by the Network Contagion Research Institute at Rutgers University noted, however, that although the deplatforming of extremist groups made their campaigns harder to follow, the alliance has the potential to meld disparate factions into a large anti-government movement united around public health issues.

“It increases the opportunity for a big tent enemy,” said Joel Finkelstein, a fellow at Rutgers who runs the institute. “If you are feeling dispossessed, like all these right-wing groups are, boy do I have a tent for you.”

 

 

 

[bolverk 29667]

Also, there's this:

According to CBS Philadelphia, the gym opened in May 2020 and started a legal battle over whether the state's order for nonessential businesses to close was constitutional.

The gym repeatedly defied the shutdown order and was fined more than $130,000 last year.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

That's alarming.

 

There are a number of anti-vax proponents on the ag forum that I've run across when browsing. They frequently tout/refer to 'Doctor' So and So. "Hey, he is a Doctor, therefore he knows what he's talking about." My spouse has a lot of contacts in the scientific community and he's pretty scornful of the ones who step far out of their lane to weigh in in that regard. He says a lot of it is about money. I agree, but the harm it does is terrible.

[Anastasis 23469]

Brain addled by exogenous testosterone. 

[HenryJames 66041]

Got my second Moderna yesterday. No ill effects. Probably because of all the HCQ I’ve been taking.

[jimmyjazz 45899]

8 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

There are a number of anti-vax proponents on the ag forum that I've run across when browsing. They frequently tout/refer to 'Doctor' So and So. "Hey, he is a Doctor, therefore he knows what he's talking about." 

Appeal to authority is always good for a chuckle.  I wonder how stunted one's brain must be to trust 1 doctor over the 999 (or whatever) who take the opposite viewpoint?  Do those doctors not know what they're talking about?

Skepticism and critical thought are dying constructs.

[Js1 85311]

 

 

[Brisketexan 105095]

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Appeal to authority is always good for a chuckle.  I wonder how stunted one's brain must be to trust 1 doctor over the 999 (or whatever) who take the opposite viewpoint?  Do those doctors not know what they're talking about?

Skepticism and critical thought are dying constructs.

I've always been suspicious of that fifth dentist - you know, the one who DOESN'T recommend Trident to his patients who chew gum.  Shifty bastard.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I've always been suspicious of that fifth dentist - you know, the one who DOESN'T recommend Trident to his patients who chew gum.  Shifty bastard.

That's the one who recommends bleach for mouthwash donchya know.

[Anastasis 23469]

25 minutes ago, Js1 said:

 

 

 

 

That's a shit load of 1 dose shots to push into circulation in a one week timeframe.

We need to start the process of transitioning from supply constraint strategy to demand constraint strategy. I'd peel off a large amount of those shots and get them in ER and urgent care centers. Pick a couple thousand high volume ER/UC and send them each 1,000 shots with instruction to administer to any unvaccinated person admitted to the ER before they are discharged until they use them all.  Start plugging some holes in underserved/underengaged folks with the one shot regimen. If possible rinse, scale, and repeat weekly if the production numbers maintain. 

 

Edited March 26, 2021 by Anastasis

[HenryJames 66041]

 

[Francisco 2.0 32389]

Semi-political, Covid relevant.

TL;DR.  If you are traveling abroad this year, it's gonna suck.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-nightly/2021/03/26/slower-than-suez-global-travel-during-covid-492266?nname=politico-nightly&nid=00000170-c000-da87-af78-e185fa700000&nrid=0000014e-f0fd-dd93-ad7f-f8fde5bf0000&nlid=2670445

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That little paper card the CDC issues when you get your Covid vaccination: It probably isn’t going to help you cross borders in 2021.

That’s my takeaway from a 68-hour journey I took this week from New York to Sydney. As I traveled via Detroit, Seoul and Singapore, authorities cared only about seeing my negative test results. They had no interest in my vaccination card, and they were all unimpressed by any test result that was missing stamps and logos and signatures.

I nearly fell at the first hurdle: Singapore demands a test taken within 72 hours of arrival. Because I was flying the long way, and on a Monday morning (not many tests available on Sunday!), my only sure bet was to join a concierge medical service that promised quick test processing: $199 later I am now a One Medical member, and took a test a couple of hours before my first flight.

 

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When I checked in at Newark, Delta insisted to see the test result: the one I had planned to show only in South Korea ahead of my actual flight to Singapore. By sheer luck, my results arrived six minutes before check-in closed. 

Why the complicated, five-city journey? Australia’s severe arrival caps.

No more than 6,000 people per week are allowed into the country, and no more than 30 per plane. Airlines fill their quota selling only first-class and business-class tickets. But at $11,000 one way (plus $2,200 for a mandatory 14-night, military-guarded hotel quarantine on arrival), I decided to hack the system instead. 

 

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That meant flying economy to Singapore on three separate flights, and swapping to business for the final 8-hour flight, saving me $6,400. Along the way I was served by flight attendants in full medical scrubs and clear plastic glasses designed for industrial protection. I was thumb printed six times, temperature checked and escorted nearly everywhere. That was the easy bit. 

My Singapore stop wasn’t a mere plane swap. With a 34-hour gap between flights, and no possibility of staying in the airport under Covid rules, I turned to Connect@Changi: the world’s first “business exchange quarantine facility.”

 

Spoiler

This prefab hotel has been installed inside a massive hall at Singapore Expo Center. With rooms starting at $400 a night, guests are taken from the airport under escort — after their mandatory Covid test on arrival. 

You aren’t allowed outside, in fact there is no natural light at all. But you are allowed to roam the facility (your movements are tracked) to use its private gym pods — essentially shipping containers with exercise bikes and treadmills — and take prison-style business meetings with locals: Your guest is fully separated from you via a glass wall. See the Orwellian Chic vibe.

But first I had to get through Singapore’s border. My problem: None of the border officials had ever heard of Connect@Changi.At one point nine officials crowded in front of me trying to figure what to do. I later learned that Connect@Changi is so new, I had booked the sixth-ever meeting at the facility. I passed 32 hours without seeing a single other guest, though I did see used food trays outside two rooms. 

I finally boarded my flight to Australia Thursday morning. I’m typing this from the 21st floor of a five-star hotel in Sydney. But is it five-star with no room cleaning or rooftop pool?

I can’t open my room door for 14 days except to receive a food tray. It took an hour and 45 minutes to receive a breakfast roll I ordered off the snack menu. But there is a huge bathtub.

The two biggest issues I see with these good-faith efforts to keep local populations safe: They aren’t standardized, so it’s annoying to repeatedly share biometrics, documents and stories. And labor-intensive escorting simply can’t scale: Changi airport processed 68 million passengers in 2019. There are only 5.8 million people in Singapore, and they can’t all work as visitor escorts.

Mass tourism is going to be hell, chaos or both when it returns. And the process of getting there might include a lot of extra expense for travelers. 

At the Sydney airport I texted my brother, who lives in the city’s western suburbs, to complain about being forced to wait on a bus (no social distancing) for a police escort to arrive, to guide us to our quarantine hotel. He didn’t care — there’s huge public support for these extreme measures.

He texted back, “Imagine if America had done this instead.”

 

[Neonmoon 38129]

We want to take a trip so bad, but since Europe is a shitshow it will probably be until 2022 before we can. 

[tigol 2395]

8 hours ago, Anastasis said:

 

 

That's a shit load of 1 dose shots to push into circulation in a one week timeframe.

We need to start the process of transitioning from supply constraint strategy to demand constraint strategy. I'd peel off a large amount of those shots and get them in ER and urgent care centers. Pick a couple thousand high volume ER/UC and send them each 1,000 shots with instruction to administer to any unvaccinated person admitted to the ER before they are discharged until they use them all.  Start plugging some holes in underserved/underengaged folks with the one shot regimen. If possible rinse, scale, and repeat weekly if the production numbers maintain. 

 

Dialysis centers.  https://www.npr.org/2021/03/26/981722572/dialysis-centers-an-efficient-option-to-vaccinate-quickly-and-reach-minority-gro

Edited March 27, 2021 by tigol
Article Added and IMO dropped.

[Anastasis 23469]

58 minutes ago, tigol said:

Dialysis centers.  https://www.npr.org/2021/03/26/981722572/dialysis-centers-an-efficient-option-to-vaccinate-quickly-and-reach-minority-gro

No disagreement there. Makes sense. One of the things we are seeing in some of our signal detection is lots of acute renal failure, so definitely makes sense to make sure folks with pre-existing issues are covered with vax. 

[AngryDragon 270]

4 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Semi-political, Covid relevant.

TL;DR.  If you are traveling abroad this year, it's gonna suck.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-nightly/2021/03/26/slower-than-suez-global-travel-during-covid-492266?nname=politico-nightly&nid=00000170-c000-da87-af78-e185fa700000&nrid=0000014e-f0fd-dd93-ad7f-f8fde5bf0000&nlid=2670445

 

 

 

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This prefab hotel has been installed inside a massive hall at Singapore Expo Center. With rooms starting at $400 a night, guests are taken from the airport under escort — after their mandatory Covid test on arrival. 

You aren’t allowed outside, in fact there is no natural light at all. But you are allowed to roam the facility (your movements are tracked) to use its private gym pods — essentially shipping containers with exercise bikes and treadmills — and take prison-style business meetings with locals: Your guest is fully separated from you via a glass wall. See the Orwellian Chic vibe.

But first I had to get through Singapore’s border. My problem: None of the border officials had ever heard of Connect@Changi.At one point nine officials crowded in front of me trying to figure what to do. I later learned that Connect@Changi is so new, I had booked the sixth-ever meeting at the facility. I passed 32 hours without seeing a single other guest, though I did see used food trays outside two rooms. 

I finally boarded my flight to Australia Thursday morning. I’m typing this from the 21st floor of a five-star hotel in Sydney. But is it five-star with no room cleaning or rooftop pool?

I can’t open my room door for 14 days except to receive a food tray. It took an hour and 45 minutes to receive a breakfast roll I ordered off the snack menu. But there is a huge bathtub.

The two biggest issues I see with these good-faith efforts to keep local populations safe: They aren’t standardized, so it’s annoying to repeatedly share biometrics, documents and stories. And labor-intensive escorting simply can’t scale: Changi airport processed 68 million passengers in 2019. There are only 5.8 million people in Singapore, and they can’t all work as visitor escorts.

Mass tourism is going to be hell, chaos or both when it returns. And the process of getting there might include a lot of extra expense for travelers. 

At the Sydney airport I texted my brother, who lives in the city’s western suburbs, to complain about being forced to wait on a bus (no social distancing) for a police escort to arrive, to guide us to our quarantine hotel. He didn’t care — there’s huge public support for these extreme measures.

He texted back, “Imagine if America had done this instead.”

 

Some places are already loosening restrictions later in the year for people who are vaccinated. 

Thailand is opening up Phuket mid summer for vaccinated tourists. They've also shortened the quarantine to 10 days starting April 1. 

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/2090243/phuket-to-open-to-vaccinated-foreign-tourists-on-july-1

If all goes well the rest of the country will open up in Oct for vaccinated tourists.

[HenryJames 66041]

 

[bluto 4916]

Dialysis centers.  https://www.npr.org/2021/03/26/981722572/dialysis-centers-an-efficient-option-to-vaccinate-quickly-and-reach-minority-gro

My dad has dialysis at a very middle/low income area facility, they had shots flowing back in Jan I think, crazy early.

[HenryJames 66041]

 

[Neonmoon 38129]

3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

Convince Republicans to take the vaccine? 

[Post Oak 20210]

Create a stockpile and then give em away to countries that need them.  

[C-Man 27214]

Create a stockpile and then give em away to countries that need them.  

This. Send as much as possible to Brazil before they potentially fuck up the world’s impending herd immunity.

[Tuco 5076]

I got poked today. It felt great.

[gmr548 16576]

20 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Convince Republicans to take the vaccine? 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

New York State case counts are up. They need to expand vaccines to all adults and massively expand appointments in NYC.

[Aqua Buddha 14590]

We need to redirect as many vaccines as possible to the states showing new surges and open it up to everyone there.  Also send personnel to help vaccinate.  Flood the market.

[Anastasis 23469]

49 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

We need to redirect as many vaccines as possible to the states showing new surges and open it up to everyone there.  Also send personnel to help vaccinate.  Flood the market.

Shots in arms. Of course if those surges were happening in Texas certain posters would be celebrating the tweets and twats. Because they follow the science. 

Edited March 28, 2021 by Anastasis

[Anastasis 23469]

3 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

New York State case counts are up. They need to expand vaccines to all adults and massively expand appointments in NYC.

Like we did in Texas. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

14 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Like we did in Texas. 

I love that they've opened up the range down to age 18. Every eligible person in our family will be vaccinated soon. In California, by oldest tells me that the eligible range is expanding there too.

[HenryJames 66041]

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

[Neonmoon 38129]

Wait a goddamn minute, are you telling me Billy Lucci’s online message board business didn’t need a 1 million dollar forgivable loan? How dare you sir

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20395]

Remember when, several months before the Coronavirus appeared,  Trump eliminated the medical epidemiologist embedded in China’s disease control agency in China that was responsible for detecting such outbreaks? Why was that, I wonder?

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/exclusive-u-s-axed-cdc/

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20395]

1 minute ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Remember when, several months before the Coronavirus appeared,  Trump eliminated the medical epidemiologist embedded in China’s disease control agency who was responsible for detecting such outbreaks? Why was that, I wonder?  And then the Trump administration subsequently chastised China for censoring information about the outbreak and keeping U.S. experts from entering the country to help.

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/exclusive-u-s-axed-cdc/

 

Edited March 29, 2021 by Horn Under a Bad Sign

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

So I booked some flights to Vancouver for the end of July for the wife’s birthday.  We will both be vaccinated with the second shot this week so we should be good to go.  What are the chances we can actually get into Canada by end of July?  

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20395]

She fucked around and found out. What kind of raving lunatic bitch is this?
 

 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20395]

On Thursday, Trump said:  "Trump said: "We got a vaccine in nine months, Laura, and it was supposed to take five years. Fauci said it's probably never going to happen. I mean, Fauci was saying three years, four years, five years—a lot of people said 12 years. And I got it done in nine months."

Reality:  1) Faucci did not say that it's never going to happen or that it would take 3, 4, or 5 years

2) Trump didn't do a thing to develop the vaccine. There was not one molecule of effort on his part.

[jimmyjazz 45899]

52 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

On Thursday, Trump said:  "Trump said: "We got a vaccine in nine months, Laura, and it was supposed to take five years. Fauci said it's probably never going to happen. I mean, Fauci was saying three years, four years, five years—a lot of people said 12 years. And I got it done in nine months."

Reality:  1) Faucci did not say that it's never going to happen or that it would take 3, 4, or 5 years

2) Trump didn't do a thing to develop the vaccine. There was not one molecule of effort on his part.

 

There is nothing wrong with touting Operation Warp Speed.

People need to realize that not all vaccine development happened under that program.  Pfizer, for the most obvious example, funded their own development.

So I'd say that the Trump administration should be partially credited for helping fast-track the vaccine development, which in retrospect, was a home run for those idiots.  Of course, then they completely botched the rollout, so regression to the mean?

[Neonmoon 38129]

Trump should absolutely be given credit for Operation Warp Speed. (I’m sure there could be thousand page debate on what the administration did vs what wasn’t already being done, whatever)

However, Trump should absolutely be laughed at and derided for continuing to lie that a vaccine wasn’t already being developed by Pfizer and others in January, and continuing to lie and say it would take 3, 5, 12, years or never. It’s stupid, absurd, and per usual, counterproductive 

[Bookman 4639]

Just got my first Covid shot. Thank you President Joe Biden!

[cactusflinthead 27598]

Yeah, not gonna happen. You're a selfish, shameless asshole Greg Groh. 

[sidis 9826]

17 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Yeah, not gonna happen. You're a selfish, shameless asshole Greg Groh. 

am i reading it right that this dipshit contends that because there have been people that received that vaccine that have died for other reasons unrelated to covid or the vaccine, that he believes that is an evidentiary data point bolstering the notion that it is wiser to reject the vaccine?

bonus, unless he works in hydraulics and i've got the wrong guy, it looks like this guy specializes in reverse mortgages!  lol.  

[cactusflinthead 27598]

Correct on pt.1. 

And I suspect he's this Greg Groh.

https://longbridge-financial.com/blog/team-members/greg-groh/

He appears to be a frequent commenter on the Chron

[Guest Lobo]

19 minutes ago, sidis said:

am i reading it right that this dipshit contends that because there have been people that received that vaccine that have died for other reasons unrelated to covid or the vaccine, that he believes that is an evidentiary data point bolstering the notion that it is wiser to reject the vaccine?

bonus, unless he works in hydraulics and i've got the wrong guy, it looks like this guy specializes in reverse mortgages!  lol.  

Look, I know the real estate services sector took a hit like everybody else during Covid-19.....but what the fuck people?  Every fucking lunatic coming out of the woodwork from Capitol insurrectionists to vaccine-deniers to qanon disciples....they're all fucking realtors or mortgage brokers.  What the fuck> ? 

[sidis 9826]

Just now, Lobo said:

Look, I know the real estate services sector took a hit like everybody else during Covid-19.....but what the fuck people?  Every fucking lunatic coming out of the woodwork from Capitol insurrectionists to vaccine-deniers to qanon disciples....they're all fucking realtors or mortgage brokers.  What the fuck> ? 

i actually have a theory, lobo...

i too, have noticed that there seems to be a fairly decent correlation (p value = .000000001, t stat = 5.0, R-square = .99 in my anecdotal observations) between real estate people and people that work in sales and the type of "republicans" at whom you have to kind of just roll your eyes whenever they say anything.  (also a high correlation of the types of dipshits hacking up golf courses like falconhead, etc... every weekend)  anyway, without casting aspersions on the people who work in sales/real estate, these people make their real money in big pops with large influxes at once as opposed to more regular consistent paychecks.  because of this, there is a greater, more visible impact on their big commission/bonus/whatever checks in which the tax effect is magnified and felt.  i suspect this makes them feel a bit more resentful and possibly bitter about it and there is a certain political messaging that is targeted directly at that mindset.

just a theory.

[HenryJames 66041]