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  On 4/19/2021 at 5:34 PM, Anastasis said:

At current rate, all adults over 18 will be vaccinated by July 2; however, we know that the admin numbers are going to fall quickly as we bump into the vax hesitant. 

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People like this are NOT going to help:

I must confess, if I had to listen to that woman speak, I might have blood coming out of my ears....

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Is there data for people who have been vaxed dying of Covid?  Like fully vaxed, catching covid (any variant) and then dying?  - my google-fu is not strong and it is hard to wade through 'has anyone died FROM a covid vax' to see anything meaningful.

Looks like there are vax shots available though CVS in a lot of the bigger Texas cities now

- Ft Worth, San Antonio, Houston, Waco

Dallas and Austin still show fully booked, but anecdotally you can walk in and get one at a lot of places.  Just seems astounding that the data for a lot of states the death rate is climbing.  olds and high risk have been vaxed, how are deaths climbing?  This is from states that have a higher 1 dose and fully vaxed than Texas.  Granted this was just playing around on Google's data sorter.  That's why i want to see if there is a death number for vaxed people or if we can assume that all these people still dying are un-vaxed.

- To me that is the single most powerful number to show anyone who is hesitant about getting vaxed.  "100% of the covid deaths occurring every day are unvaxed fools.  There are still 50 deaths per day in Texas and 750 deaths per day in the US.  none of them were vaxed."

 

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  On 4/19/2021 at 9:24 PM, Mrs Whiggins said:

People like this are NOT going to help:

I must confess, if I had to listen to that woman speak, I might have blood coming out of my ears....

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Or blood coming out of your....whatever.

Seriously, how would this even work?  How would something entirely within the blood stream of person A cause "bleeding oddly" in person B?  How fucking nutty ARE these people?  And sigh, I know.....ALL the nutty.

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  On 4/19/2021 at 10:45 PM, Brisketexan said:

Or blood coming out of your....whatever.

Seriously, how would this even work?  How would something entirely within the blood stream of person A cause "bleeding oddly" in person B?  How fucking nutty ARE these people?  And sigh, I know.....ALL the nutty.

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Does this have to do with females of menstruating age syncing/near syncing their cycles when they live together under the same roof?

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can report mask usage seemed slightly higher in the lake charles walmart than in the baytown buccee's on saturday, but either one was about 50/50.  maskless motherfuckers coughing had me running for the doors. 

at least i have enough yuengling to make it through the summer so i can test the fort worth product with the pottsville. 

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  On 4/19/2021 at 10:07 PM, gyroprotagonist said:

Is there data for people who have been vaxed dying of Covid?  Like fully vaxed, catching covid (any variant) and then dying?  - my google-fu is not strong and it is hard to wade through 'has anyone died FROM a covid vax' to see anything meaningful.

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Basically 1 in a million. 

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Here is what I was able to find out from the CDC @gyroprotagonist.

5800 of 75 million vaccinated caught COVID

The CDC calls that a 'breakthrough' infection and while it is rare, it happens with pretty much every vaccine.

Around 400/5800 had a severe infection that required hospitalization. 7% of those that caught it.

Of those 400, 74 died from the disease (not the vaccine) which is about 1%.

So, to support @Anastasis, it is pretty rare plus if one does catch COVID after being vaccinated, the symptoms seem to be milder for the most part--some of which would depend upon age and other health conditions. What I couldn't see was if those that caught it had been fully vaccinated with two doses or were exposed before one would expect to have the full effect.

Since quite a few more people have now been vaccinated, those numbers are probably a little different but I expect the percentage to be similar.

TL/DR the two vaccines currently available are about 99% effective and are way better than contracting COVID.

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So for the record I got my shot 8 days ago, and immediately got exposed to a dumb shit coworker who attended a mass indoor gathering with no masks. I’ve got a 102 fever but mostly feel fine otherwise and can smell and taste, so I’m rooting for it to be a sinus infection 

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  On 4/20/2021 at 2:16 AM, Royalfan5 said:

So for the record I got my shot 8 days ago, and immediately got exposed to a dumb shit coworker who attended a mass indoor gathering with no masks. I’ve got a 102 fever but mostly feel fine otherwise and can smell and taste, so I’m rooting for it to be a sinus infection 

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Uh . . . I'd isolate and I'd go get a test.

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  On 4/20/2021 at 2:16 AM, Royalfan5 said:

So for the record I got my shot 8 days ago, and immediately got exposed to a dumb shit coworker who attended a mass indoor gathering with no masks. I’ve got a 102 fever but mostly feel fine otherwise and can smell and taste, so I’m rooting for it to be a sinus infection 

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Go get tested.  You don't want someone else showing up to a Royals message board talking about their dumb shit coworker (you) who got them exposed.  Don't be the dumb shit in this situation.

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  On 4/19/2021 at 10:07 PM, gyroprotagonist said:

Is there data for people who have been vaxed dying of Covid?  Like fully vaxed, catching covid (any variant) and then dying?  - my google-fu is not strong and it is hard to wade through 'has anyone died FROM a covid vax' to see anything meaningful.

 

 

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U.S. health officials have confirmed fewer than 6,000 cases of Covid-19 in fully vaccinated Americans, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said.

That represents just 0.007% of the 84 million Americans with full protection against the virus.

The CDC chief acknowledged that the number could be an underestimate.

 

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That represents just 0.007% of the 84 million Americans with full protection against the virus. Despite the breakthrough infections, she said the vaccines are working as intended.

“With any vaccine, we expect such rare cases, but so far out of more than 84 million people who were fully vaccinated, we have only received reports of less than 6,000 breakthrough cases,” Walensky told reporters at a press briefing. 

 

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“Although this number is from 43 states and territories and likely an underestimate, it still makes a really important point, these vaccines are working. Of the nearly 6,000 cases, approximately 30% had no symptoms at all,” Walensky said.

“This is really encouraging encouraging news. It demonstrates what we’ve already discussed about these vaccines. They also help prevent you from getting seriously ill,” she said.

Out of the 6,000 or so breakthrough infections, 396 people were hospitalized and 74 people died, according to CDC data released last week.

 

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So I’m starting to think my anti-vaxx sister has poisoned my whole family. They all live within a couple of miles of each other. She used to live in Florida (shocker), but moved back to Austin a couple of years ago. 
 

After she blew up the family text thread yesterday, my BIL chimed in with a Fox News link. My parents both have not been vaccinated because they are taking a T-cell test or something because they are convinced they had it last February and don’t need the vaccine. 
 

I’m losing it.

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File this in the "No Shit" folder.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/20/trump-vaccines-ex-aides-483387

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With more than half of adults in the country having received at least one shot of a Covid vaccine, Trump supporters remain stubbornly resistant to vaccination — and it’s sparking a new round of questions over what role, if any, the former president could play to move those efforts along.

Former President Donald Trump’s unwillingness to pitch his voters on getting the jab has become the source of frustration for former aides, who lament the political benefits that would have come had he done so. It has also worried health officials from his own administration, who told POLITICO about a monthslong effort to get him to publicly take the lead; and medical experts, who say a full-throated endorsement could sway vaccine skeptics on the right and get the country closer to herd immunity.

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“If he spent the last 90 days being the voice — and taking credit because he deserved to for the vaccine — and helping get as many Americans get vaccinated as he could, he would be remembered for that,” said a former senior administration official. “Honestly, I think if he was out on the road and celebrating his accomplishments and trying to get people vaccinated he wouldn’t have been in the mindset that led to [Capitol riots on] January 6.”

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The latest example of Trump’s interest in selling the vaccine more than vaccinations came on Fox News Monday night when he began reflecting on why U.S. regulators announced they were pausing the Johnson & Johnson’s Covid vaccine while they investigate whether it is linked to rare but serious blood clots. The former president suggested political subterfuge was at play, touted his own record and called the decision “so stupid.” He only encouraged people to get vaccinated when pressed by host Sean Hannity, and did so in the process of explaining why he hasn’t recorded an ad encouraging his skeptical supporters to do so.

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  On 4/20/2021 at 12:54 PM, Biff Tannen said:

So I’m starting to think my anti-vaxx sister has poisoned my whole family. They all live within a couple of miles of each other. She used to live in Florida (shocker), but moved back to Austin a couple of years ago. 
 

After she blew up the family text thread yesterday, my BIL chimed in with a Fox News link. My parents both have not been vaccinated because they are taking a T-cell test or something because they are convinced they had it last February and don’t need the vaccine. 
 

I’m losing it.

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My hard core GQP FIL surprisingly got vaccinated.  He had a few life-long friends that perished from Covid, and for him, that was enough of a wakeup call.

My equally hard core GQP MIL refuses to get a vaccine.  She has said that God will take care of her, but she takes plenty of zinc and other Facebook recommended vitamins to "help".  Now, according to my wife, this is nothing new---for decades now she questions any doctor, diagnosis, prescription, etc.  But.....

....if somehow she contracts Covid, my FIL says he will just give his blood plasma to my MIL and that will be enough to cure her.

 

WTF.

 

 

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  On 4/20/2021 at 1:46 AM, Mrs Whiggins said:

Here is what I was able to find out from the CDC @gyroprotagonist.

5800 of 75 million vaccinated caught COVID

The CDC calls that a 'breakthrough' infection and while it is rare, it happens with pretty much every vaccine.

Around 400/5800 had a severe infection that required hospitalization. 7% of those that caught it.

Of those 400, 74 died from the disease (not the vaccine) which is about 1%.

So, to support @Anastasis, it is pretty rare plus if one does catch COVID after being vaccinated, the symptoms seem to be milder for the most part--some of which would depend upon age and other health conditions. What I couldn't see was if those that caught it had been fully vaccinated with two doses or were exposed before one would expect to have the full effect.

Since quite a few more people have now been vaccinated, those numbers are probably a little different but I expect the percentage to be similar.

TL/DR the two vaccines currently available are about 99% effective and are way better than contracting COVID.

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Got it.  Thanks!  The article linked a few post down had 6000 cases vs 84 million vaxed

So ~.007% of people vaxed caught Covid

.00009% of people vaxed die from Covid; 

and maybe this gets into fuzzy math but take the 

- 31 million positive tests in the US; half it to take care of repeat positives from the same person = 15 million

- 567K deaths in US from a population of 331 million

Free range infection rate ~ 4.5% with no vax (vs .007%)

Free range death rate ~ .17% with no vax (vs .00009%)

That seems pretty significant.  74 deaths from 84,000,000 vaxed.  vs 500K from 331,000,000  

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  On 4/20/2021 at 4:08 PM, Beau Vine said:

You suck at math.  Pretty sure I've seen you on Facebook.

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I mean...I can see a couple of different ways to go at this math, but fundamentally, as an order of magnitude thing.....isn't it pretty close?

Without the vax, a population of 330 million had a large number of cases, and 550k deaths.

With the vax, a population of 84 million had around 6,000 cases, and only 74 deaths.  That's a pretty big fucking difference, right?  Or am I missing something because I'm Barbie, and math is hard?

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Got my first Moderna shot Apr. 5th. My understanding is the recommended date for the 2nd Moderna shot is 4 weeks later. That's when the pharmacy tech said I should schedule my 2nd dose but she was contradicted by the pharmacist who said "naw, he can do it 3 weeks." Skimming the internet, it says 4. What up wit dat?

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  On 4/19/2021 at 3:18 PM, UDontKnow said:

If vaccine cards are being sold and certain employers will require proof of Coronavirus vaccination (i.e. medical field), then I wonder if titer tests are in order.

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Proof would be in the individuals' medical records at the facilities.  These fuckers with fake cards will just force us to have to get certified records from the providers that dispensed.

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  On 4/20/2021 at 4:08 PM, Beau Vine said:

You suck at math.  Pretty sure I've seen you on Facebook.

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don't do the facetrons, but again what's the suckage at math? 

To try and compare the 74 vaxed deaths from 84m vaxed population with the total number of deaths in the US (550K) you need to use the entire US population (331m) in my opinion.  So that's where the .17% number comes from.  it's solely deaths from a population.  yes, the 84 million are actually part of the 331 million, but since that 84 million slowly increased over time it's difficult to draw a perfect line in the sand.  

- explain it to me like I am 5.  I am not getting your point.  My point was to show that there is an large % difference in death between unvaxed and vaxed, with vaxed being several orders of magnitude lower.  Yes all nuance was stripped away to use the most basic numbers as a blunt comparison point. 

you take issue with the .17% number (550K/331M*100).  Maybe I am wrong and stupid, so please tell me.

 

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  On 4/20/2021 at 12:54 PM, Biff Tannen said:

So I’m starting to think my anti-vaxx sister has poisoned my whole family. They all live within a couple of miles of each other. She used to live in Florida (shocker), but moved back to Austin a couple of years ago. 
 

After she blew up the family text thread yesterday, my BIL chimed in with a Fox News link. My parents both have not been vaccinated because they are taking a T-cell test or something because they are convinced they had it last February and don’t need the vaccine. 
 

I’m losing it.

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What worked on my family was that we wouldn't see each other again in person until they were through the full vaccination cycle. I made it about me not being willing to risk accidentally bringing it to them and infecting them and killing them.  Told them that the guilt of me not seeing them was lower than the guilt of me accidentally killing them, so it is a super easy decision to make to just never see them again in person.  I also made them send me pictures of their vax cards, because they are all Republicans, and this is something they'd lie about.  It worked for me, hopefully it works for others.

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  On 4/20/2021 at 4:47 PM, gyroprotagonist said:

don't do the facetrons, but again what's the suckage at math? 

To try and compare the 74 vaxed deaths from 84m vaxed population with the total number of deaths in the US (550K) you need to use the entire US population (331m) in my opinion.  So that's where the .17% number comes from.  it's solely deaths from a population.  yes, the 84 million are actually part of the 331 million, but since that 84 million slowly increased over time it's difficult to draw a perfect line in the sand.  

- explain it to me like I am 5.  I am not getting your point.  My point was to show that there is an large % difference in death between unvaxed and vaxed, with vaxed being several orders of magnitude lower.  Yes all nuance was stripped away to use the most basic numbers as a blunt comparison point. 

you take issue with the .17% number (550K/331M*100).  Maybe I am wrong and stupid, so please tell me.

 

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Don't you also need to consider that cases cover all ages but vax is only 18+ and thus the total population (330 mil can have cases but less can have vax) is off or is that the nuance of which you speak?

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  On 4/20/2021 at 4:47 PM, gyroprotagonist said:

To try and compare the 74 vaxed deaths from 84m vaxed population with the total number of deaths in the US (550K) you need to use the entire US population (331m) in my opinion.

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If you were doing the death rate from cancer or car wrecks, would you use entire US population as the denominator, or would you use the number of people who suffered from cancer or had a car wreck?

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  On 4/20/2021 at 5:03 PM, Beau Vine said:

If you were doing the death rate from cancer or car wrecks, would you use entire US population as the denominator, or would you use the number of people who suffered from cancer or had a car wreck?

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Well, the risk profile here is....all people.

All 331 million are at the baseline risk of catching and dying from COVID.  Millions caught it, 550k died.

84 million vaxxed are also at risk of catching and dying from COVID (that is, the exact same risks as the comparator population).  6000 caught it, 74 died.

The baseline is "of people who 1) might catch it, and 2) might die, how many did so?"  Two very, very different numbers for the population at large (that is, people with no immunity/protection) vs. vaxxed population.

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  On 4/20/2021 at 5:02 PM, NameAlreadyInUse said:

What worked on my family was that we wouldn't see each other again in person until they were through the full vaccination cycle. I made it about me not being willing to risk accidentally bringing it to them and infecting them and killing them.  Told them that the guilt of me not seeing them was lower than the guilt of me accidentally killing them, so it is a super easy decision to make to just never see them again in person.  I also made them send me pictures of their vax cards, because they are all Republicans, and this is something they'd lie about.  It worked for me, hopefully it works for others.

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Well that ship has sailed for me, since I've been seeing them pre-vaccination also.

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  On 4/20/2021 at 5:15 PM, Brisketexan said:

Well, the risk profile here is....all people.

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Are you suggesting that some people are immune to cancer or car wrecks?

The risk profile of people dying in a car wreck is everyone who has ever been on a road, which is basically everyone.  yet no one would claim that the death rate for car wrecks is 40K/331M instead of 40K/5.4M (the number of wrecks).  

 

besides, as we have seen clearly, doing Covid deaths/total population is taking a number which grows exponentially and dividing it by a number that is relatively static, which results in a completely meaningless result at any point in time.  The denominator should also be a dynamic number -- covid cases.

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