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  On 7/17/2021 at 5:50 PM, Anastasis said:

This should not happen in the US. Period.

What is this guy's surly handle?

 

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which one? because they're both 100% correct. someone needs to grow some balls and start telling unvaxed people they can't participate in society until they get it. fuck em.

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Witness the trajectory of flexible dose strategy implemented in setting of high demand.  We could have done something similar back in Jan/Feb. We would have hit the demand ceiling eventually, but we could have rolled things out faster and saved quite a few lives. 

 

 

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  On 7/17/2021 at 6:08 PM, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

which one? because they're both 100% correct. someone needs to grow some balls and start telling unvaxed people they can't participate in society until they get it. fuck em.

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The guy that has been locked in his basement since March 2020. That person is likely struggling with mental illness. Either pre-existing or new onset. 

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  On 7/17/2021 at 5:01 AM, Chuckie Finster said:
There’s going to be a point in the near future when it becomes undeniable that pretty much only Republicans are dying from this thing.

The more traitorous supporters of Trump and the new voter suppression, anti-science, anti-gay, Putin supporting, American Institution destroying, big lie spewing GOP fans die, the better it will be for the long-term health of our beloved country.

It has become impossible in the Fox media/Facebook world to ever get them to turn from their ignorant hateful views. Sadly. So in the absence of a way to educate them, the more fake Christian, false “Patriots” who dirt nap, the better.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/17/us/arkansas-covid-19-vaccine.html

 

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Mountain Home, Arkansas - When the boat factory in this leafy Ozark Mountains city offered free coronavirus vaccinations this spring, Susan Johnson, 62, a receptionist there, declined the offer, figuring she was protected as long as she never left her house without a mask.

Linda Marion, 68, a widow with chronic pulmonary disease, worried that a vaccination might actually trigger Covid-19 and kill her. Barbara Billigmeier, 74, an avid golfer who retired here from California, believed she did not need it because “I never get sick.”

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Last week, all three were patients on 2 West, an overflow ward that is now largely devoted to treating Covid-19 at Baxter Regional Medical Center, the largest hospital in north-central Arkansas. Mrs. Billigmeier said the scariest part was that “you can’t breathe.” For 10 days, Ms. Johnson had relied on supplemental oxygen being fed to her lungs through nasal tubes.

Ms. Marion said that at one point, she felt so sick and frightened that she wanted to give up. “It was just terrible,” she said. “I felt like I couldn’t take it.”

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Yet despite their ordeals, none of them changed their minds about getting vaccinated. “It’s just too new,” Mrs. Billigmeier said. “It is like an experiment.”

While much of the nation tiptoes toward normalcy, the coronavirus is again swamping hospitals in places like Mountain Home, a city of fewer than 13,000 people not far from the Missouri border. A principal reason, health officials say, is the emergence of the new, far more contagious variant called Delta, which now accounts for more than half of new infections in the United States.

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  On 7/17/2021 at 8:54 PM, cactusflinthead said:

My RN cousin in Abilene says some of her friends make more in a weekend in DFW than all week in Abilene. 

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A lot depends on local nursing supply, since there has been a nursing shortage for more than thirty years at this point. Because we are losing so many nurses, my hospital contracted with multiple travel nurses for like two month contacts at a time. As RNs, travelers are generally fine, but they don't know the hospital system or charting or doctors, so we do a lot of hand-holding for them and a lot of anxiety parts of their job. These travel nurses make roughly double what us staff nurses make.

Abilene is also weird because one hospital bought the other hospital when the other hospital went bankrupt, so the employer (Hendricks Health iirc) has monopolized the area's nursing jobs. 

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I'm starting to think that adults who are willfully unvaccinated are basically not much different from drunk drivers, but for some reason only being one of those things gets you in a shitload of trouble.

 

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Here’s what’s gonna happen. Covid cases will slowly but steadily go up again this summer then start to go up exponentially in late September. Reaching a peak once again just like last January in mid to late January then go down again after that and hopefully it then becomes just another kind of cold. Deaths this September through January will be less than last September through January but they’ll be there for sure. 

All because a bunch of total dipshits won’t get the vaccine. 98 percent of cases that lead to hospitalization and/or death will be unvaccinated. 

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We can probably predict upcoming death rates by simply multiplying last year's mortality in the fall by (1-x), where "x" is the fraction that are fully vaccinated.

It's fucking brutal.

I'm not an epidemiologist.  

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  On 7/17/2021 at 10:13 PM, jimmyjazz said:

We can probably predict upcoming death rates by simply multiplying last year's mortality in the fall by (1-x), where "x" is the fraction that are fully vaccinated.

It's fucking brutal.

I'm not an epidemiologist.  

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I do believe you are correct. And I also do believe Covid deaths last year are undercounted. I personally know several people who died last year and Covid was never attributed to it but I believe it played a part. I’m in my 40s and more people I know unexpectedly died last year from heart attacks and strokes than in any other single year of my life. Including people in their 40s and 50s and healthy people in their 60s.  

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  On 7/17/2021 at 10:17 PM, JimmyJames said:

I do believe you are correct. And I also do believe Covid deaths last year are undercounted. I personally know several people who died last year and Covid was never attributed to it but I believe it played a part. I’m in my 40s and more people I know unexpectedly died last year from heart attacks and strokes than in any other single year of my life. Including people in their 40s and 50s and healthy people in their 60s.  

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It's possible, but as someone who is likely a decade older than you, I can assert that I experienced the same kind of thing when I was your age.  There just comes a time when your circle of friends and acquaintances starts to die off from disease and other health issues.  I can only assume it's going to get uglier from here.

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  On 7/17/2021 at 10:09 PM, JimmyJames said:

Here’s what’s gonna happen. Covid cases will slowly but steadily go up again this summer then start to go up exponentially in late September. Reaching a peak once again just like last January in mid to late January then go down again after that and hopefully it then becomes just another kind of cold. Deaths this September through January will be less than last September through January but they’ll be there for sure. 

All because a bunch of total dipshits won’t get the vaccine. 98 percent of cases that lead to hospitalization and/or death will be unvaccinated. 

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I was looking at a COVID only hospitalization chart for a friend who lives south of Abiline in a county with a low population but also low vaccination numbers (28% overall with age 65+ at 59%). Friend is >65 and vaccinated but most of friend group there have decided not to get the shot and take their chances. Those odds are going to get problematic--I showed how the hospital numbers during the peak this winter were now equaled by the latest data and that the number had increased each week, beginning about three weeks ago. In their tiny hospital, it comprises the majority of patients. So your scenario certainly seems a possibility in lower vaccinated areas for sure.

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  On 7/17/2021 at 10:36 PM, Mrs Whiggins said:

I was looking at a COVID only hospitalization chart for a friend who lives south of Abiline in a county with a low population but also low vaccination numbers (28% overall with age 65+ at 59%). Friend is >65 and vaccinated but most of friend group there have decided not to get the shot and take their chances. Those odds are going to get problematic--I showed how the hospital numbers during the peak this winter were now equaled by the latest data and that the number had increased each week, beginning about three weeks ago. In their tiny hospital, it comprises the majority of patients. So your scenario certainly seems a possibility in lower vaccinated areas for sure.

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If not for the vaccine deaths this coming fall and winter would exceed last fall and winter. 
 

If the idiots would get the vaccine Covid would be pretty much done by now in America. Basically the only country where the vaccine is available to everyone over 12.
 

But it’s not over because the anti vaxxers have to prove their stupid point. It will get worse this fall and winter. 

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  On 7/17/2021 at 10:34 PM, jimmyjazz said:

It's possible, but as someone who is likely a decade older than you, I can assert that I experienced the same kind of thing when I was your age.  There just comes a time when your circle of friends and acquaintances starts to die off from disease and other health issues.  I can only assume it's going to get uglier from here.

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I get that but it started last summer and has continued until this spring. It’s too much of a coincidence to me. 

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What a piece of shit 

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/us-olympic-swimmer-michael-andrew-wont-get-vaccinated-2021-07-09/

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“All of us here have been through very strict protocols, with lots of testing, masks, socially distant, staying away from crowds — everything like that,” Michael Andrew said Thursday. “Going into Tokyo, the same thing, with testing every day. So we feel very safe and protected, knowing that we’re minimizing risk as much as possible. But personally, I have not had the vaccine yet and don’t plan on it in the distant future.”

Tina Andrew first revealed her son’s insistence on remaining unvaccinated for Tokyo, telling The Washington Post during the Olympic trials in Omaha, “He will do everything that is required, but he won’t take the vaccine.” Earlier in the year, Michael Andrew expressed personal doubts about vaccines, saying on a swimming podcast, “Just because everyone’s heading in one direction, why do we have to follow that direction?”

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  On 7/17/2021 at 9:30 PM, trauma babe said:

As RNs, travelers are generally fine, but they don't know the hospital system or charting or doctors, so we do a lot of hand-holding for them and a lot of anxiety parts of their job. These travel nurses make roughly double what us staff nurses make.

 

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I don’t mind travel nurses in the OR because I’m there and I can line them out w what I need and how I like things. I can usually anticipate what they are not going to have and give them plenty of heads up to run and get shit (since JCAHO has taken over everything anything you might need is not allowed to be stored in the the OR apparently so it takes 10 minutes to get anything you ask for), but I sleep much better at night when nurses I know are taking care of my patients on the floor. Thankfully I don’t end up with many in the ICU, but my stress level would go way up if they were staffed by travelers. Not because they aren’t competent but because of the reasons you mention

Thank you so much for what you do. My bacon was saved many a time as a wet behind the ears intern and 2nd year resident by the ICU nurses. 

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My brother got it and nearly died. He was contrite at the hospital and a few propaganda network reprogramming and he back to being to being a good little denier, not so bad, vaccines are not necessary.


Thankfully we all get to share his medical bill since he doesn’t believe in socialism.

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  On 7/17/2021 at 11:26 PM, Sawbonz said:

Thank you so much for what you do. My bacon was saved many a time as a wet behind the ears intern and 2nd year resident by the ICU nurses. 

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Helping interns and residents grow as doctors is one of my favorite parts of my job.

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6 fully vaccinated people who attended an outdoor wedding caught the Delta variant, but people with Pfizer and Moderna shots survived, study says

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Six fully vaccinated people who attended an outdoor wedding in Texas got COVID-19, a new study says.

All the breakthrough infections were in guests over 50.

There were two serious cases, including one death: an attendee who'd had India's Covaxin vaccine.

Six fully vaccinated people who attended an outdoor wedding in Texas in April came down with COVID-19, a new study says - a small outbreak that underscores how effective vaccines are against even variants of the virus.

Though the vaccines made by Pfizer and Moderna may not knock out every COVID-19 case, especially now that the more infectious Delta variant dominates across the US, they are very good at preventing death from COVID-19.

The preprint study from Baylor College of Medicine found that only one person who'd recently gotten an Indian-made vaccine, Covaxin, died after attending the 92-person wedding near Houston.

The wedding took place in a "large, open-air tent" before the Delta variant was circulating widely in the US. Guests were required to be fully vaccinated at the event, though that policy operated on the honor system.

The study's authors said they suspect the Delta variant was introduced at the wedding by two people who had traveled from India and tested negative before their flight but developed symptoms in the US. All the COVID-19 patients said they'd had close encounters with those two people during the wedding, according to the study.

All six guests who contracted symptomatic COVID-19 after the wedding were over 50. Two had gotten the vaccine from Pfizer, two had gotten the vaccine from Moderna, and two had gotten an Indian-made vaccine called Covaxin, the study said. Their infections were confirmed with lab tests and viral sequencing for Delta, it said.

Each experienced some common symptoms of COVID-19, including fever, cough, fatigue, and body aches, the study said. Those who'd gotten the Moderna and Covaxin vaccines also lost their sense of smell.

One Covaxin recipient and one person who'd gotten Pfizer's vaccine came down with more severe infections, the study said. The latter was a man in his 60s with no known medical conditions that increase the odds of contracting COVID-19 - he was hospitalized and given Regeneron's monoclonal antibody treatment (the same one President Donald Trump received) 10 days after the wedding. The Covaxin recipient, a man in his late 60s (also with no COVID-19 comorbidities), died from complications of COVID-19. The other people who contracted symptomatic COVID-19 after the wedding had preconditions including hypertension and diabetes or were classified as overweight, the study said.

Both wedding attendees who had Covaxin got their second shots in India, just 12 days before the wedding, study author Timothy Farinholt from Baylor College of Medicine told Insider. He suspects that may be the reason why they got infected with the Delta variant in the first place, because their second shot hadn't had enough time to take full effect.

"It's very difficult with a sample size as small as this to give any sort of definitive or cut-and-dry answer as far as, 'oh, Pfizer is better than Moderna, or better than Covaxin,'" Farinholt said.

"What is important to glean from this is that it isn't over until we reach some sort of theoretical max vaccination point, and we start curbing the spread of whatever variant is currently predominant."

Vaccines help prevent severe sickness
Rochelle Walensky, the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, has said vaccinated people should still get a COVID-19 test if they experience symptoms like a runny nose, sore throat, or cough, which can be indicative of a mild Delta infection among fully vaccinated people.

"What I would say is if you have those upper-respiratory symptoms and you've been vaccinated, you should absolutely get a COVID-19 test," Walensky said during a White House COVID-19 briefing last week.

But she also stressed that preliminary data from the past few months suggested that 99.5% of coronavirus deaths in the US were occurring in unvaccinated people.

"Those deaths were preventable with a simple, safe shot," she said.

During the briefing, Dr. Anthony Fauci, President Joe Biden's chief medical advisor, pointed to real-world data from Scotland and England suggesting that the vaccines authorized in the US are highly effective at preventing the most disastrous cases from this variant.

"Please get vaccinated," Fauci said. "It will protect you against the surging of the Delta variant."

Correction: An earlier version of this story misstated who got the monoclonal antibody treatment. It was a person who'd gotten Pfizer's vaccine, not Covaxin.

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https://news.yahoo.com/6-fully-vaccinated-people-caught-154610774.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKpI1eMaL86_yAjZ-DRbzNNxpjLSV7JfdCaswjAQMrzujYEK0JiMkNBT-vjYKuINUDjrCUTKeVGuS7tGaeZaQKPckDlK_YJOwQ_p9AQX2wtczqtrYHd6O3xSI8VFIUSZToR2sETQ2ztI0s1sBEDes8HdVgjCie4-lKWvHfeyxaAm

 

The CDC now saying if you're symptomatic to get tested even if vaccinated is news to me.  I had thought we were told if vaccinated to not get tested.  

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  On 7/18/2021 at 5:10 PM, 4th&Five said:

This is what really pisses me off.

 

 

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My almost ten year old spent the ride home from church this morning trying to convince me to help him get a shot. 

 

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  On 7/17/2021 at 9:49 PM, Paper_jam said:

I'm starting to think that adults who are willfully unvaccinated are basically not much different from drunk drivers, but for some reason only being one of those things gets you in a shitload of trouble.

 

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Agree.  At this point, hospitals treating unvaccinated covid patients should be like taking your pet to the 24hr animal clinic.  Show us your credit card, prepay everything 100%, or go home and treat yourself with bleach and UV lights.

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