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2 hours ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

May I ask which vaccine you had?  Selfish question from a J&J recipient.   And sorry you're going through it.  Also worried due to 9 year old daughter who I can't get vaccinated.

The 2 dose Moderna mRNA back in March.

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I'd just like to point out that neither myself nor any of my fellow nurses, fellow advanced nurse practitioners, and other healthcare providers ever swore an oath that we would lay down our lives for

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Welp, it finally happened. I snapped in public today. I went into work for a bit this morning because I’m trying to figure out the safest way to host physicians we are recruiting given our CV-19 sit

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I don't really know what to say anymore tbh. What happened last night is hard to put into words for anyone who hasn't worked in a hospital healthcare setting. Just unreal. Everyone is getting fucked.

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2 hours ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

When you posted the paper, you wrote "stupid."  Does that mean you think this conclusion is stupid, or does it mean you think a longer interval for the 2nd shot would have been appropriate?

Sorry man, it was a poorly formulated post-Austin FC shit post directed at the posters here that called the strategy that Canada and the UK used to maximize vax uptake "ridiculous". 

 

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28 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I guarantee most of the "it's not FDA approved!" crowd doesn't understand the FDA's Emergency Use Authorization.  They literally think the vaccine has received no scrutiny and it's a high-risk, wild west scenario.

I think it's a simple excuse to justify not getting it. My BIL and my wife's cousin from Oklahoma are using it. My dipshit BIL has also somehow become ridiculously religious and is quoting scripture and saying his body is a temple, and mark of the beast and shit like that. My fully-vaxxed in-laws told him they can no longer ride in a car with him because he isn't vaxxed. My FIL just spent the weekend before last in the hospital with fluid on his lungs (he's had A-fib since he was a kid) and was diagnosed with congestive heart failure. Luckily no blockages and is on a low-sodium/medication regimen. My MIL is also battling pneumonia right now. Sorry, fuckhead Trumper BIL.

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You know, I was planning a road trip -- with a bunch of old college friends -- to Fayetteville for the Arkie game (we have an old buddy who lives there, and has invited us all to gather).  I'm now questioning it.  I am for SURE not riding in a car or sharing a room/house with anyone who hasn't been vaxxed.  And even then....Arkie has like a fucking 35% vax rate, so anywhere we go, 2/3 of the fucking morons are unvaxxed.

I'm really re-thinking this trip.  Fucking idiots, ruining shit for everyone. 

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26 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

A friend's fully-vaccinated mother just died from Covid complications that came on her in the blink of an eye.

Don't know details or what kind of vaccine, didn't seem like the right moment to ask.

Stories like this want to make me get blind drunk and go yell at the anti-vaxx posters in DT. 

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1 hour ago, The Dog said:

One thing Eric Topol mentioned is that the Delta spikes appear to be very brief - largely due to the fact that it spreads so rapidly and is so virulent that it does its damage then just runs out of hosts to infect. 

This seems to back it up:

 

I was just wondering about this. Is the Delta likely to burn itself out soon or will it keep moving around until it's gotten all the non-vaxxed idiots?

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22 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

You know, I was planning a road trip -- with a bunch of old college friends -- to Fayetteville for the Arkie game (we have an old buddy who lives there, and has invited us all to gather).  I'm now questioning it.  I am for SURE not riding in a car or sharing a room/house with anyone who hasn't been vaxxed.  And even then....Arkie has like a fucking 35% vax rate, so anywhere we go, 2/3 of the fucking morons are unvaxxed.

I'm really re-thinking this trip.  Fucking idiots, ruining shit for everyone. 

I wonder what chance there is the Delta has burned out by then. 

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1 minute ago, Orale said:

I was just wondering about this. Is the Delta likely to burn itself out soon or will it keep moving around until it's gotten all the non-vaxxed idiots?

None of us fucking know, because in terms of transmissibility, this is damned near a brand-new disease.

As a species, we seem dead-set on fucking around.  Now, we get the finding out.

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1 hour ago, The Dog said:

One thing Eric Topol mentioned is that the Delta spikes appear to be very brief - largely due to the fact that it spreads so rapidly and is so virulent that it does its damage then just runs out of hosts to infect. 

This seems to back it up:

 

The difference being that while those countries institute policies to remove the potential hosts, we're not going to change anything, so there is likely to be a much larger and more prolonged spike than necessary here.  Yay us!

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 Welp, I now sit on a throne of lies.  Got my J&J "booster" just now.  Moderna, as the run on Pfizer in my area has been crazy (have been unsuccessful for a week in getting my son his second shot).  I guess in the opposite of an anti-vaxxer vein  I'm fucking around finding out.   

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33 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

The difference being that while those countries institute policies to remove the potential hosts, we're not going to change anything, so there is likely to be a much larger and more prolonged spike than necessary here.  Yay us!

India has a much lower vaccination rate and didn't do shit and the same thing happened. 

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1 minute ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

So those complete lockdowns I read about didn't happen? 

Hey I could be misremembering. But the bottom line is their vax rate was really low and they still saw a major drop. This thing is so virulent that anything they did was too late IMHO.

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3 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Hey I could be misremembering. But the bottom line is their vax rate was really low and they still saw a major drop. This thing is so virulent that anything they did was too late IMHO.

Cool.  So we'll be just like [checks notes]......India.

 

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Also, I'm jealous of my husband's hometown right about now.  They had a huge Delta spike, it was bad enough they shut stuff down, only 1 person allowed to leave the house for an hour a day, roadblocks everywhere, etc.  They got a cache of vaccines, mostly from Pfizer, and rather than act like petulant children, already 90% of the town's population has the first vaccine done, and over 50% have the second jab.  They can manage these feats in southeast Asia.

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On 7/20/2021 at 5:54 PM, lmao said:

If Trump would have come out of the gate with mandatory lockdowns, masking, vaccines, etc., do you think he would have received backlash from his opposition?

For Trump to make any difference now, he would have to do a full on confession of being a con man who duped them all...and that will never happen.  Because if he came out now and said it, they would just say someone made him do it, some deep state group.   

 

 

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It was painful watching the appointments dwindle at the UT covid clinic. Absolutely knew right then and there that we were fucked. Or rather that the anti-vax assholes were going to fuck everyone. 

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I think it's the delta's ability to break through that is changing the game.  Total infected + total vaccinated probably gets us pretty close to previous estimates for "herd immunity".  It's just a more virulent strain and puts a higher demand on the public, which we collectively are not up for.

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Most Americans who haven’t been vaccinated against COVID-19 say they are unlikely to get the shots and doubt they would work against the aggressive delta variant despite evidence they do, according to a new poll that underscores the challenges facing public health officials amid soaring infections in some states.

Among American adults who have not yet received a vaccine, 35% say they probably will not, and 45% say they definitely will not, according to a poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. Just 3% say they definitely will get the shots, though another 16% say they probably will.

What’s more, 64% of unvaccinated Americans have little to no confidence the shots are effective against variants — including the delta variant that officials say is responsible for 83% of new cases in the U.S. — despite evidence that they offer strong protection. In contrast, 86% of those who have already been vaccinated have at least some confidence that the vaccines will work.

That means “that there will be more preventable cases, more preventable hospitalizations and more preventable deaths,” said Dr. Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease specialist at Johns Hopkins University.

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/ap-poll-most-unvaccinated-americans-dont-want-shots

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2 hours ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

 Welp, I now sit on a throne of lies.  Got my J&J "booster" just now.  Moderna, as the run on Pfizer in my area has been crazy (have been unsuccessful for a week in getting my son his second shot).  I guess in the opposite of an anti-vaxxer vein  I'm fucking around finding out.   

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Was that on the advice of your doc?

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CDC looking at need for booster for the immunocompromised:

Here’s a summary of what studies have found so far about the merits of an extra COVID-19 shot for the immunocompromised: 

  • A third dose of a COVID-19 vaccine — either Pfizer’s, Moderna’s or Johnson & Johnson’s — boosted the antibody levels of some organ transplant recipients with previously weak responses to the vaccine, researchers reported June 15 in Annals of Internal Medicine.
    • Of 30 vaccinated patients, six people had low levels of antibodies that recognized the coronavirus before getting a third dose.
    • Another 24 did not have detectable antibodies.
    • Two weeks after their third shot, all six patients with initially low antibody levels now had high amounts.
    • Of the 24 people without antibodies, 16 still didn’t develop any, two had low levels and six developed high levels of antibodies.  
  • Another study showed that 67 out of 99 organ transplant recipients vaccinated with Pfizer’s jab had detectable antibodies after a third dose, researchers reported June 23 in the New England Journal of Medicine.
    • That’s compared with four of 101 individuals after a first dose and 40 of 99 after a second. Of the 59 people who didn’t have antibodies after the second dose, 26, or 44 percent, mounted the immune proteins after the extra dose. 
  • More than 75 percent of blood, or hematopoietic, stem cell transplant recipients had detectable antibodies after two doses of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine, researchers reported July 13 in the Lancet.
    • Fifty-two of the 88 patients in the study had antibody levels above a threshold that corresponds to how well the immune proteins stop the coronavirus from infecting cells.
    • Those who had received the transplant more than a year before getting vaccinated, and who had high numbers of pathogen-fighting white blood cells, were more likely to have lots of antibodies.
    • Patients given treatments that suppressed their immune systems within three months of getting vaccinated, on the other hand, had low antibody levels, the team found.
      • A third dose might be helpful for that group, but experts don’t know yet. 
  • Third doses can also help some patients on dialysis for kidney disease, studies suggest.
    • Of 12 dialysis patients who initially didn’t generate antibodies after two vaccine doses, half mounted an antibody response after an extra shot, researchers reported in a preliminary study posted July 6 at medRxiv.org.
    • Forty-two percent, or 5 out of 12 antibody-negative patients, had antibodies after a third vaccine, another group of researchers reported May 31 in Nephrology Dialysis Transplantation. 
  • In the United States, a recommendation for an additional dose for immunocompromised people probably won’t come unless the Food and Drug Administration permits extra doses under current emergency use authorizations for COVID-19 vaccines or until the agency fully approves the vaccines for widespread use, CDC officials said during the meeting. For now, the health agency isn’t aware of any data submitted to the FDA that might support such a change to the emergency use authorizations, the officials said. 

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-booster-shots-vaccines-immunocompromised-people

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4 hours ago, C-Man said:

My dipshit BIL has also somehow become ridiculously religious and is quoting scripture and saying his body is a temple, and mark of the beast and shit like that.

If he thinks his body is a temple, shouldn’t he want to prevent it from being infected by a deadly virus?

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5 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

If he thinks his body is a temple, shouldn’t he want to prevent it from being infected by a deadly virus?

Don't bring logic into this. He's overweight, eats like shit, doesn't exercise and binge drinks. A temple.

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Sending that article to my FIL, who is an internal medicine doc, to get his opinion. 

 here's another one.   note the expertise:

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Dr. Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization at the University of Saskatchewan, also tweeted last month that she got a Pfizer vaccine to “top off the J&J vaccine I received in April.”

“I think I did the right thing to make sure I am as protected as possible from the delta variant and thus am protecting others who only have one shot,” she tweeted. “Sometimes public health requires making tough decisions without a complete data set to support it.”

Many people have also been looking at what other countries are doing with booster shots.

Canada’s National Advisory Committee on Immunization last month said that a first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine should be followed up with a dose of Pfizer or Moderna, partly to elicit a better immune response. Germany has made a similar recommendation.

Though the AstraZeneca vaccine is not the same as the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, they rely on similar technology.

And even among experts who don’t recommend the general public get a booster shot, some are recommending boosters for select patients.

 

https://bangordailynews.com/2021/07/19/news/nation/some-who-got-johnson-johnson-vaccines-are-seeking-booster-shots-as-delta-variant-spreads-despite-cdc-guidance/

the rest of the article quotes dr. gupta (same stuff) and then has some who disagree.  

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33 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

can i count vin gupta as my doc for a day?

Speaking of Dr. Vin Gupta, he was on Morning Joe the other day and said that there is no evidence that otherwise healthy people (with no immunodeficiency) who are fully vaccinated (which he defined as having two doses of the mRNA vaccines) and who contract the virus but are asymptotic can transmit the virus to others. He went on to say that it was wrong to call them “infected” and that we really should come up with a new term to refer to them. I’m not qualified to comment on the accuracy of what he said but that’s what he said. I took notes. 

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His twitter feed and the responses ("Lord heal him in Jesus Name Amen!") are something else.  The denial even in the middle of his panic and fear is wild.  He seemed to have opportunity to at least say "I messed up, folks, please get vaccinated...."

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