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  On 7/30/2021 at 9:44 PM, WhatTheBuck said:

Is this a joke? There’s no chance Trump has never paid for an abortion for one of his mistresses before. How upset were these friends of yours when Trump reinstated federal executions and tried to get as many prisoners executed as he could before he left office? How bothered were they when Trump excused the Saudis’ butchery of Jamal Khashoggi as ‘just one life,’ or something to that effect? It was more important to him to make a huge arms deal with the Saudis. (Who pay him a lot of money at his properties and, as Trump said, “They pay cash.”)

Your friends are full of shit. My assertion stands. No decent person supports Donald Trump. Find new friends.

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Back to actual discussion. 

I've been reading a lot about Israel's outbreak, because they are ahead of us both in vaccinations and delta exposures. Some things of interest broken down by cases, hospitalization and long covid risk. 

1) Cases- Israel is in exponential spread, 2000 cases a day 4 days in a row now, while the UK, Gibraltar and Malta all look to have peaked. Those data points are incongruous and I've been trying to rationalize them for a bit. Israel started vaccinations early, so that may be a factor as a lot of the infections anecdotally seem to be happening in people 4-6 months + from their vaccination. 

2) Hospitalizations- The good news, so far the vaccines are squashing hospitalizations and deaths in Israel. They were at 143 hospitalizations on July 21 and are at 167 now. Hospitalizations trail by 2 weeks or so, so that's something to keep an eye on next week, but so far it's excellent news.

3) Long Covid Risks- Breakthrough cases can lead to long covid symptoms, 19% of breakthroughs still had symptoms at the 6-week mark in a recent Israeli study of healthcare workers. This study was healthcare workers, who are likely exposed to relatively high viral loads compared to the normal populations, but 85% of the cases were alpha variant and delta has a much higher viral load, so that may be a wash. 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2109072

 

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Most breakthrough cases were mild or asymptomatic, although 19% had persistent symptoms (>6 weeks). The B.1.1.7 (alpha) variant was found in 85% of samples tested. A total of 74% of case patients had a high viral load (Ct value, <30) at some point during their infection; however, of these patients, only 17 (59%) had a positive result on concurrent Ag-RDT. No secondary infections were documented.

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If you are vaccinated, if you can, avoid crowds and keep your mask on. We're about to collect a shitload of real world data on delta and we'll know a lot more in a few weeks. 

If you aren't vaccinated, prepare your anus. 

 

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  On 7/30/2021 at 9:53 PM, Pods said:

Israel started vaccinations early, so that may be a factor as a lot of the infections anecdotally seem to be happening in people 4-6 months + from their vaccination. 

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Lovely.  I will be at 6 months next week.

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Casa de Fudge is full-vaxxed except for the youngest who doesn't turn 12 until December.  Hopefully the she doesn't die before then because Karen and Brett can't be bothered to get off fucking Facebook and get vaxxed.

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Fortunately, the western vaccines do seem to be reducing severity and mortality past 6 months. Keep viral loads low and you'll almost certainly get through it. 

I would certainly be wearing an N95 if I was a teacher though, vaccinated or not. Schools are about to be a shit show. 

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  On 7/30/2021 at 9:44 PM, WhatTheBuck said:

Is this a joke? There’s no chance Trump has never paid for an abortion for one of his mistresses before. How upset were these friends of yours when Trump reinstated federal executions and tried to get as many prisoners executed as he could before he left office? How bothered were they when Trump excused the Saudis’ butchery of Jamal Khashoggi as ‘just one life,’ or something to that effect? It was more important to him to make a huge arms deal with the Saudis. (Who pay him a lot of money at his properties and, as Trump said, “They pay cash.”)

Your friends are full of shit. My assertion stands. No decent person supports Donald Trump. Find new friends.

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Thank you. Pro-life should also be pro-vaccine, pro-masks, anti-death penalty and pro-social programs that help young families and things like infant mortality rate and equal access to healthcare. And pro-sex education Bc it decreases abortions.

Dare I say, I also have more respect for the anti-vax far left than I do anyone on the right?  bc Thats at least a consistent position with being pro-choice (my body, my choice). I don’t agree with the anti-vax thing at all, but I can appreciate a belief consistency. 

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  On 7/30/2021 at 10:15 PM, Pods said:

Fortunately, the western vaccines do seem to be reducing severity and mortality past 6 months. Keep viral loads low and you'll almost certainly get through it. 

I would certainly be wearing an N95 if I was a teacher though, vaccinated or not. Schools are about to be a shit show. 

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Daughter is a 3rd grade teacher.  Good thing the schools can mandate masks.

 

Wait. Never mind.

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  On 7/30/2021 at 10:29 PM, DDD Dad said:

Daughter is a 3rd grade teacher.  Good thing the schools can mandate masks.

 

Wait. Never mind.

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Sorry man, that sucks. So many people are needlessly going to be put at risk to satisfy the desires of a fucking lunatic set on destroying the country. 

Probably a good idea for her to use eye protection too. There's been lots of minimization of aerosolized spread, but it's been one of the biggest issues the whole time, especially in those conditions. Glasses reduce eye touching and reduce aerosolized contact with the eyes. 

Doesn't have to be the big face shields, even non-prescription Zero magnification glasses from Walmart will help. 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00040-9/fulltext

Keep out of direct line from the AC ducts as best she can to reduce it further. 

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  On 7/30/2021 at 10:38 PM, Pods said:
Sorry man, that sucks. So many people are needlessly going to be put at risk to satisfy the desires of a fucking lunatic set on destroying the country. 
Probably a good idea for her to use eye protection too. There's been lots of minimization of aerosolized spread, but it's been one of the biggest issues the whole time, especially in those conditions. Glasses reduce eye touching and reduce aerosolized contact with the eyes. 
Doesn't have to be the big face shields, even non-prescription Zero magnification glasses from Walmart will help. 
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00040-9/fulltext
Keep out of direct line from the AC ducts as best she can to reduce it further. 

Yeah she managed to get through last year but it’s just a beating.

My guess is that she will get her kids on board to mask up in class (she’s very persuasive).
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  On 7/30/2021 at 9:44 PM, WhatTheBuck said:
Is this a joke? There’s no chance Trump has never paid for an abortion for one of his mistresses before. How upset were these friends of yours when Trump reinstated federal executions and tried to get as many prisoners executed as he could before he left office? How bothered were they when Trump excused the Saudis’ butchery of Jamal Khashoggi as ‘just one life,’ or something to that effect? It was more important to him to make a huge arms deal with the Saudis. (Who pay him a lot of money at his properties and, as Trump said, “They pay cash.”)
Your friends are full of shit. My assertion stands. No decent person supports Donald Trump. Find new friends.
No, they are against All that shit and were horrified. They got 3 justices and then voted for Biden. They are very passionate about the issue. I'm not saying their beliefs on abortion are not wrong and unhelpful. I think it's fucked. But they are Good people otherwise.
It's not helpful to always paint people with a broad brush of hate and derision. Nuance man, we are complicated critters.

It's fucked that a settled wedge issue still driving voters to vote for shit, which is why the Right rely on Bortion/ Guns. It's all they have. Blame the GOP bro.

My Maga brother is mostly a good dude, but a selfish fuckhead. He voted Trump twice and can go fuck himself. We are cordial. But he's a dick that cares more about his tax bill than his nephew's future. If he was a friend he would be out like many others I've dropped for being toxic, racist, shitty, or in his case a self centered bore.

I'll curate my own list of friends, bro.
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  On 7/30/2021 at 10:43 PM, Born to Run said:

No, they are against All that shit and were horrified. They got 3 justices and then voted for Biden. They are very passionate about the issue. I'm not saying their beliefs on abortion are not wrong and unhelpful. I think it's fucked. But they are Good people otherwise.
It's not helpful to always paint people with a broad brush of hate and derision. Nuance man, we are complicated critters.

It's fucked that a settled wedge issue still driving voters to vote for shit, which is why the Right rely on Bortion/ Guns. It's all they have. Blame the GOP bro.

My Maga brother is mostly a good dude, but a selfish fuckhead. He voted Trump twice and can go fuck himself. We are cordial. But he's a dick that cares more about his tax bill than his nephew's future. If he was a friend he would be out like many others I've dropped for being toxic, racist, shitty, or in his case a self centered bore.

I'll curate my own list of friends, bro.

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Got news for you, your brother isnt a mostly good dude; and I think you know that

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  On 7/30/2021 at 10:21 PM, Js1 said:
Thank you. Pro-life should also be pro-vaccine, pro-masks, anti-death penalty and pro-social programs that help young families and things like infant mortality rate and equal access to healthcare. And pro-sex education Bc it decreases abortions.
Dare I say, I also have more respect for the anti-vax far left than I do anyone on the right?  bc Thats at least a consistent position with being pro-choice (my body, my choice). I don’t agree with the anti-vax thing at all, but I can appreciate a belief consistency. 
Agree completely. "Pro life" pisses me off and demonstrates how the right always wins at branding. I'm pro life in that I would like a world with as few abortions as possible, it's often tramatic as fuck, but I'm fully Pro Choice and vote accordingly. Implement policy to reduce demand ffs.
Btw I'm also largely anti war, anti death penalty excepting treason, anti violence.
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  On 7/30/2021 at 10:44 PM, SubliminalHorn said:
Got news for you, your brother isnt a mostly good dude; and I think you know that
Oh trust me. It's been eye opening. But don't underestimate the divide we have in media consumption. It's two realities.

My mom voted for Trump twice. Try digesting that shit.

To keep it topical all masked up heavily, my mom rarely left the house for the last 15 months, and all got vaccinated asap.
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  On 7/30/2021 at 10:01 PM, Fudge Nuggets said:

Casa de Fudge is full-vaxxed except for the youngest who doesn't turn 12 until December.  Hopefully the she doesn't die before then because Karen and Brett can't be bothered to get off fucking Facebook and get vaxxed.

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Pro Tip: She’s 12 today if you tell them she’s 12 

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  On 7/30/2021 at 4:25 PM, DonkeyCigars said:

Yes. It's fascinating how propaganda and certain "facts" burrow into the minds and consciousness and fabric of our country. I guess that's why it's called a mythology, because with time, oral and written history, stories and traditions are unreliably passed down and bleed into both apocrypha and hagiography.

Here is a link below, but seriously, anyone with 10 minutes and access to Google can debunk this myth if they are an honest person.

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/p/plag/5240451.0001.009/--did-the-us-army-distribute-smallpox-blankets-to-indians?rgn=main;view=fulltext

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Don't you believe in Trickle Down economics?

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  On 7/30/2021 at 10:57 PM, Born to Run said:

Oh trust me. It's been eye opening. But don't underestimate the divide we have in media consumption. It's two realities.

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I feel if someone isn’t smart enough to realize that the right wing media is full of shit then they just aren’t trying. Seriously, all they have to do is look at, I don’t know, ANYTHING outside of that realm and be able to figure it out. 
 

These people do not want to face reality. They want to be lied to. They are bad people. 

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  On 7/30/2021 at 10:23 PM, SubliminalHorn said:

Seriously, any drawbacks to just going and getting a third shot pretending you haven’t had one? I’m at the 6 month mark now and figure effectiveness if waning

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Not that I've seen. Very few data points to go on, but everything I have seen said side effects no worse than second dose. Pfizer just released data and it looked pretty good. I'd personally be on the fence, but leaning towards it. If I was exposed to high viral loads frequently, I'd get a booster. 

If I was J&J only, I'd definitely do a booster. 

I'm not a doctor, so that's not medical advice etc., but my read on the data trends. 

 

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  On 7/31/2021 at 12:28 AM, Willfully Horn said:

Welp.

Thanks.

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Don't  worry, the R-value drops substantially with effective test/trace programs, targeted shutdowns, universal mask wearing and avoiding crowded indoor conditions with people outside your immediate social bubble.

Good thing nothing that would change any of those things is happening, or is about to happen, all across the country. 

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  On 7/30/2021 at 11:38 PM, Biff Tannen said:

I feel if someone isn’t smart enough to realize that the right wing media is full of shit then they just aren’t trying. Seriously, all they have to do is look at, I don’t know, ANYTHING outside of that realm and be able to figure it out. 

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One would think . . .

The right wing media silo has become its own alternative universe. They are checked out of reality. facebook and Fox sowed the seeds and are now trying to walk it back, but Pandora's Box of right wing populism was opened (again).

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  On 7/31/2021 at 1:21 AM, washparkhorn said:

One would think . . .

The right wing media silo has become its own alternative universe. They are checked out of reality. facebook and Fox sowed the seeds and are now trying to walk it back, but Pandora's Box of right wing populism was opened (again).

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But my point is I know these people go out into the real world on a regular basis. They are exposed to other stuff. They don’t care. They want to be lied to. It’s a psychological issue. 

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  On 7/31/2021 at 4:06 AM, cactusflinthead said:

Goddammit

 

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I hope Texas Tribune runs with this and never stops. All the media outlets should be harassing Hot Wheels, Patrick, Paxton, and all these other corporate owned mofos about how it looks to have passed New York for COVID deaths. And oh yes, New York has plenty of illegal immigrants too. So what's the excuse for letting Texans die?

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Many of my patients exhibit stunning levels of ignorance when it comes to this disease and the vaccine, which, it's worth noting, has so far saved an estimated 275,000 lives and prevented over a million hospitalizations in the US alone, according to research from Yale University and the Commonwealth Fund.

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/opinions/unvaccinated-americans-self-inflicted-wound-busko/index.html

Wow, no shit.

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  On 7/31/2021 at 12:14 PM, Anastasis said:

Texas is 24th in total COVID death rate. NJ, NY, Mass, RI, and Miss are the top 5. 

 

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So you have a group of states connected to the NYC metro area where the virus was spreading unmitigated for several months at the start of the pandemic and 6 states where the deaths were mostly preventable. 

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  On 7/31/2021 at 1:58 PM, heso said:
So you have a group of states connected to the NYC metro area where the virus was spreading unmitigated for several months at the start of the pandemic and 6 states where the deaths were mostly preventable. 

Well….you obviously didn’t get the memo that illegal immigrants are to blame. That is the obvious explanation for Covid deaths in [checks map] places like Michigan and Mississippi, which are overrun with dirty illegal beaners.
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  On 7/31/2021 at 1:58 PM, heso said:

So you have a group of states connected to the NYC metro area where the virus was spreading unmitigated for several months at the start of the pandemic and 6 states where the deaths were mostly preventable. 

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Ana came to defend his boy with the “BUT DEATHS PER CAPITA” argument that the GOP started throwing out when the TX numbers came out 

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Here's an interesting way to get others vaxxed.  Probably belongs elsewhere in this esteemed place, but figured it could go here too.  The link has a few borderline NSFW images.

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/bdsm-dommes-subs-vaccination-covid19-1201121/

 

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When the Covid-19 vaccine came out earlier this year, Bob, who also goes by the sobriquet Mannish Boy, was on the fence about getting it. He was wary about the speed at which the vaccine came to market, and he’d heard about preliminary data suggesting the AstraZeneca version in Europe had a rare side effect of inducing blood clots, which made him anxious. “I think I had the same reservations that many people had,” Bob, who requested that his last name be withheld to protect his privacy, tells Rolling Stone. 

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Then Bob saw a tweet from Goddess Alexandra Snow, a professional dominatrix and dungeon owner who operates Wicked Eden, a BDSM collective based in Columbus, Ohio. The tweet stated that any submissives who wanted to session with Snow in person would have to show proof of vaccination. Bob had been subscribing to Goddess Snow’s OnlyFans and “tributing” her (giving her money) for almost two years, and he got in touch with her to discuss whether or not he should get the vaccine. “It was less about convincing me and more about her confirming to me that it was the right thing to do,” he says. He got his final shot three weeks ago. “It [feels] good to know that I’m (hopefully) contributing to others not falling seriously ill,” he says. “And of course, it’s gratifying to know I’ve done something that Goddess Snow approves of.”

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Anthony Fauci probably never considered that dommes convincing subs to get jabbed would be an effective way to boost the U.S. vaccination rate. Yet dommes across the country, who are slowly opening up their dungeon doors as lockdown restrictions lift, say that their efforts to persuade subs to get the shot have largely been quite successful.  “I’ve had at least a dozen [subs] who have said, ‘If this is what I have to do to see you, I’ll do it.’ And that makes me happy,” Snow tells Rolling Stone. “If I’m the reason someone is getting vaccinated, that’s one person less who can impact our community.”

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Posted
  On 7/31/2021 at 1:58 PM, heso said:

So you have a group of states connected to the NYC metro area where the virus was spreading unmitigated for several months at the start of the pandemic and 6 states where the deaths were mostly preventable. 

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I think that the data lends to a few different story lines. 

 

But when a NY politician starts tweeting about Texas surpassing NY in COVID deaths, and posters here start masturbating over that tweet, I think that's is appropriate to point out how foolish it is to compare the NY death rate to Texas'. 

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