CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Francisco 2.0 32,395]

20 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

 

Not gonna venture over to Texags, but I'm assuming this is the current outrage after Texas to the SEC.

[Hookah Horns 3,083]

We're going to wait until the most vulnerable vaccinated start dying before we decide to push out the boosters, aren't we? 

[Nivek 16,945]

I wonder what he sells?  Whatever it is, I’ll bet he charges 350!

Not 289?

[Chooky 13,316]

14 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Not gonna venture over to Texags, but I'm assuming this is the current outrage after Texas to the SEC.

They're gonna be so pissed to find out the administration provided some grass you can walk on.

[C-Man 27,231]

4 hours ago, AnotherUTFan said:

Its a normal pizza shop, actually a pretty good one. The family that runs it happen to be from Brazil. They do have a Brazilian food section on the menu that's hit or miss, but thebpizzas are solid.

I gotcha -- was just takin' a piss.

 

3 hours ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

A GoFundMe or a GoFuckYourself?  Because when it comes to that guy I'm picking the latter.

I'd likely contribute to a GoFuckYourself campaign in this case.

 

41 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20,447]

 

[Nivek 16,945]

I'm 50+ and I haven't spent the night in a hospital since the day I was born. I would be scared to death to be in the hospital at this moment with COVID.  If you walk in to an ER today with COVID symptoms, there is a chance you're not ever walking out. 

My father in in the hospital for non-covid problems. It is a fucking nightmare and stressing us all out. My mom has a video of a guy raging pissed off, calling the staff cunts and what not. Given the level of care my dad has received, I understand the angry guy and do not feel any sympathy to the staff. Or to the staff who told my mom “ I don’t care.”

For those of you in the business, what is the best way to file a complaint that will actually matter?

[Captainant 27,680]

3 minutes ago, Nivek said:

My father in in the hospital for non-covid problems. It is a fucking nightmare and stressing us all out. My mom has a video of a guy raging pissed off, calling the staff cunts and what not. Given the level of care my dad has received, I understand the angry guy and do not feel any sympathy to the staff. Or to the staff who told my mom “ I don’t care.”

For those of you in the business, what is the best way to file a complaint that will actually matter?

As someone who's father just passed in skilled nursing care for what looks a hell of a lot like neglect (Travis Co ME office still investigating)... Let me know when you find out. Been fighting that fight for literally years. 

[JimmyJames 12,271]

6 minutes ago, Nivek said:

My father in in the hospital for non-covid problems. It is a fucking nightmare and stressing us all out. My mom has a video of a guy raging pissed off, calling the staff cunts and what not. Given the level of care my dad has received, I understand the angry guy and do not feel any sympathy to the staff. Or to the staff who told my mom “ I don’t care.”

For those of you in the business, what is the best way to file a complaint that will actually matter?

The only complaint you could have filed in the past that would have mattered would have been a lawsuit but sadly tort reform has taken care of that so I’m sorry to say there’s not much you can do about it. They passed medical malpractice tort reform in Texas in 2003 and you and your family are just the latest victims of that since there is no accountability anymore. It you voted Republican in the past you likely unknowingly supported all of that so insurance company stock prices would go up to the benefit of their executives.

[Neonmoon 38,129]

14 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

 

If you have kids under 12, start lying about their age to the doctor 

[Born to Run 6,569]

My anti-vaxx sister just told me not to worry because she knows over 75 people that have had Covid and they were all fine. Who the fuck knows that many people that have had Covid!?!  Either a) these are Facebook “friends” or b) she just hangs out with a ton of other anti-vaxxers that have spread this shit to god knows how many others. 

Good lord. I know maybe 20 and almost all are right wingers / not taking it serious. That may answer the question.

[Pancho 44,860]

Defended my dissertation last year, but Nebraska didn’t hold graduation due to COVID.  They invited us back for graduation along with the Class of 2021 grad students, and that graduation is scheduled for next week.  My parents (early 60s) are insisting they go because they really want to watch me get hooded.  With the rise in these new cases, combined with the state of Nebraska not giving 2 shits about COVID combined with my dad’s dad pretty much being on his deathbed right now (and my dad going to visit him near daily), I’ve been trying to put my foot down on them not going and they can just watch me online. 

Holy fuck are they fighting me on this.  They will not win though. 

[Nivek 16,945]

The only complaint you could have filed in the past that would have mattered would have been a lawsuit but sadly tort reform has taken care of that so I’m sorry to say there’s not much you can do about it. They passed medical malpractice tort reform in Texas in 2003 and you and your family are just the latest victims of that since there is no accountability anymore. It you voted Republican in the past you likely unknowingly supported all of that so insurance company stock prices would go up to the benefit of their executives.

I seem to recall my wife’s gynecologist telling us to file some formal complaint against the hospital for poor care after our last kid. Doc said her complaints would not be heard, but a patient could do something. This was years ago, and my wife didn’t follow up.

This is after the tort reform lies.

[Biff Tannen 45,692]

1 hour ago, Born to Run said:

5 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

My anti-vaxx sister just told me not to worry because she knows over 75 people that have had Covid and they were all fine. Who the fuck knows that many people that have had Covid!?!  Either a) these are Facebook “friends” or b) she just hangs out with a ton of other anti-vaxxers that have spread this shit to god knows how many others. 

Good lord. I know maybe 20 and almost all are right wingers / not taking it serious. That may answer the question.

Ironically, she's very liberal (I think) and is on that super far left part of the horseshoe that bends back around and almost touches the psychotic right.

[Born to Run 6,569]

Ironically, she's very liberal (I think) and is on that super far left part of the horseshoe that bends back around and almost touches the psychotic right.

Got ya. I have a few of those in my hood. Progressive, but Contrarian wackadoodles

[Royalfan5 2,354]

13 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Defended my dissertation last year, but Nebraska didn’t hold graduation due to COVID.  They invited us back for graduation along with the Class of 2021 grad students, and that graduation is scheduled for next week.  My parents (early 60s) are insisting they go because they really want to watch me get hooded.  With the rise in these new cases, combined with the state of Nebraska not giving 2 shits about COVID combined with my dad’s dad pretty much being on his deathbed right now (and my dad going to visit him near daily), I’ve been trying to put my foot down on them not going and they can just watch me online. 

Holy fuck are they fighting me on this.  They will not win though. 

The speed that stuff has fallen apart here in Lincoln has been shocking even with pretty decent vax rates in Lancaster Co. The Garth Brooks Stadium concert is cruising ahead for next week to supercharge things too. 

[Pancho 44,860]

3 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

The speed that stuff has fallen apart here in Lincoln has been shocking even with pretty decent vax rates in Lancaster Co. The Garth Brooks Stadium concert is cruising ahead for next week to supercharge things too. 

And they informed us today that masks are not required at PBA.  I should wear my Longhorn mask just because…

[Nivek 16,945]

The feeling is mutual, hayden_horn. My heart is not hardened so much as armored against the cheap appeals of puppies and children used to sell things like Big Macs or questionable pharmaceuticals. Similarly, a guy crying and referring to his daughter's wedding is not going to lead me to absolve him of the damage he's likely done to others.
Nice Guy Eddie makes a good point just after you. I applaud the man or woman who decided the risk to others was real and that dogmatic sheephood should be laid aside.
I don't want the guy to die. I don't like to see the discomfort. His appeal moves me less than a dogfood commercial for the reasons stated.
I do appreciate your response.

Maybe this is a moment of weakness because we buried our pet today along with getting the news that my father has cancer while he is in a shitty hospital for blood clots in his lungs.

But I saw it as a man who is contrite. Who realized very late that he listened to the wrong people. Instead of silently coming to this realization, he decided to reach out with belabored effort to hope and plead that people take care of themselves and their families. Hoping that his regional accent will help with his bonafides and hope that someone, anyone will listen. This man put it out there. He won’t walk it back.

My brother nearly died from Covid. He denied it, acted like an ass, tried to shout down people and used all the Russian right wing talking points in the process. He would strut through the front of a restaurant and say “no thanks” when they asked him to mask up. He was proud of this behavior. His daughter, former SIL, grandson all got it. His wife and other daughters got it. His SIL family were racked by it. He nearly died. He was momentarily contrite. He even admitted it wasn’t a joke, it was rough and he was fucked up.

Afterwards, he started walking it back. He continues to prescribe cures, tell everyone about it and tell me, how it doesn’t harm children. He was irritated when I declined to allow his previously infected and non vaccinated kids to visit. My kids are not of age, his are. They consider themselves good people cause they vote R, got to church sometimes and post right wing hate/lies on the Internet. They think this makes them good citizens. It does not. That is my brother, I love him, and I hate him.

This man, is what I wish my brother could be. Willing to broadcast his fuck-up and try to help others. So to him, I have a heart. To the Republican fuckhead that died, I only feel for the cute kid.

Watching my son (9) silently helping me dig a grave and my daughters wails (7) broke me today. Even if the 4 yr old stepping on the body in the grave so he could try to help me bury the critter garnered a little chuckle.

[Royalfan5 2,354]

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

And they informed us today that masks are not required at PBA.  I should wear my Longhorn mask just because…

The Mayor and Chancellor Green have pretty much washed their hands of trying to do anything proactive after dumbfuck Ricketts and Governor Candidate and current Regent Pillen have been trying to kneecap them on everything. 

[BrickHorn 18,239]

10 minutes ago, Nivek said:

But I saw it as a man who is contrite. Who realized very late that he listened to the wrong people. Instead of silently coming to this realization, he decided to reach out with belabored effort to hope and plead that people take care of themselves and their families.

This. I have little sympathy when an unrepentant dumbass catches a high stick from Gritty on his way to Hell.

But this guy realized his mistake and is doing a valuable service by using his own suffering as a lesson to others. He’s not doing some self-centered “Woe is me!” routine. He’s telling people: don’t be a dumbass like I was. Don’t listen to the stupid shit I did. Be better. Be smarter. Survive.

Maybe 5 people listen to him and get vaccinated. Maybe a dozen. Or maybe thousands. Whatever the number is, he’s using his own suffering to do something good for mankind and to try to correct his mistakes. Good on him.

As a society, we’ve grown too quick to condemn and too slow to forgive. Everyone makes mistakes. People grow when they’re encouraged to correct those mistakes. We should encourage them to do so, and applaud them when they do.

This dude is okay in my book. I hope he makes it through. And I hope he keeps preaching the gospel of vaccines for as long as it’s helpful. 

Edited August 6, 2021 by BrickHorn

[Aqua Buddha 14,598]

Not surprisingly, us vaccinated are tired of this shit:

The findings expose a surreal gap between the views of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated, showing how tough getting to herd immunity could be — and providing new evidence that mandates could make a difference.

• Vaccinated Americans overwhelmingly blame the unvaccinated as the central problem plus other ancillary factors.
• The unvaccinated aren't so sure who to blame — and are far more likely to buy into conspiracy theories involving the media or President Biden.

https://www.axios.com/axios-ipsos-poll-blame-game-coronavirus-47dfa062-c2c5-4e66-b70b-30cc94361d92.html

[Biff Tannen 45,692]

1 hour ago, Nivek said:

They consider themselves good people cause they vote R, got to church sometimes and post right wing hate/lies on the Internet. They think this makes them good citizens. It does not.

There are WAY too many people like this in America.

[RomaVicta 29,935]

21 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Maybe this is a moment of weakness because we buried our pet today along with getting the news that my father has cancer while he is in a shitty hospital for blood clots in his lungs.

But I saw it as a man who is contrite. Who realized very late that he listened to the wrong people. Instead of silently coming to this realization, he decided to reach out with belabored effort to hope and plead that people take care of themselves and their families. Hoping that his regional accent will help with his bonafides and hope that someone, anyone will listen. This man put it out there. He won’t walk it back.

My brother nearly died from Covid. He denied it, acted like an ass, tried to shout down people and used all the Russian right wing talking points in the process. He would strut through the front of a restaurant and say “no thanks” when they asked him to mask up. He was proud of this behavior. His daughter, former SIL, grandson all got it. His wife and other daughters got it. His SIL family were racked by it. He nearly died. He was momentarily contrite. He even admitted it wasn’t a joke, it was rough and he was fucked up.

Afterwards, he started walking it back. He continues to prescribe cures, tell everyone about it and tell me, how it doesn’t harm children. He was irritated when I declined to allow his previously infected and non vaccinated kids to visit. My kids are not of age, his are. They consider themselves good people cause they vote R, got to church sometimes and post right wing hate/lies on the Internet. They think this makes them good citizens. It does not. That is my brother, I love him, and I hate him.

This man, is what I wish my brother could be. Willing to broadcast his fuck-up and try to help others. So to him, I have a heart. To the Republican fuckhead that died, I only feel for the cute kid.

Watching my son (9) silently helping me dig a grave and my daughters wails (7) broke me today. Even if the 4 yr old stepping on the body in the grave so he could try to help me bury the critter garnered a little chuckle.

Compassion isn't weakness.

I'm neither proud nor ashamed about how I feel regarding this person. Neither should you be. They're just honest feelings.

I hope all goes as well as it can with your father. I've taken that flight all the way to the ground, and it's hard.

[OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys 2,078]

1 hour ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

 

Lulz

[Patricio Swayze 17,058]

Man, I really have to give y’all credit for fighting the good fight. I have checked out. Just fatigue from the stupidity has taken it out of me. That and fatigue from trying to find a job for over a year (finally landed something). I just don’t have the energy to read all the crazy stories of people who don’t believe in science. It’s exhausting dealing with these folks.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,120]

1 minute ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Man, I really have to give y’all credit for fighting the good fight. I have checked out. Just fatigue from the stupidity has taken it out of me. That and fatigue from trying to find a job for over a year (finally landed something). I just don’t have the energy to read all the crazy stories of people who don’t believe in science. It’s exhausting dealing with these folks.

Congrats on the new job.  I also am starting something new back in my original industry (though to be fair, I have been doing the consulting gig, which has been ok).  

I am with you.  I just cannot give a shit anymore. I probably have PTSD from last Spring to be fair, but I just do not have it in me to be sympathetic anymore.  

[hookemATL 11,779]

Happy for you Swayze. I know it’s been a tough road. 🤘

[Patricio Swayze 17,058]

Thanks y’all.

I took my family to Florida for a vacation I didn’t know I could afford in the effort to keep things normal. Then the job came through. But then I saw that Harris county is back to Red. I saw the news on Twitter and I couldn’t bring myself to read the comments because I know it would be mentally exhausting. So much insanity out there right now.

I hope all of y’all are healthy and prosperous. Hook ‘em.

[Anastasis 23,477]

 

2 hours ago, Post Oak said:

They've been reactive since the opening tip.

 

2 hours ago, Hookah Horns said:

We're going to wait until the most vulnerable vaccinated start dying before we decide to push out the boosters, aren't we? 

 

Very frustrating.  There are a few items that a fairly clear consensus has developed around among immunologists and virologists:

1) 3rd shot mRNA boosters for immunocompromised, elderly, and people in nursing homes. France and Israel have been doing this for a while now. 

2) mRNA booster for people with one adenovirus vector vaccine shot. Widely used in France and Canada and UK for AZ.  No good reason to treat JNJ differently. 

3) Mixing mRNA regimens when necessary is fine.

 

The CDC hasn't come out with positive guidance on any of this stuff, and until they do physicians will be reluctant to recommend to their patients. Frustrating to be on the tail end of the science here. Few weeks here, few weeks there...cases and deaths add up. 

Edited August 6, 2021 by Anastasis

[jimmyjazz 45,981]

I'm pretty resigned to a 3rd mRNA.  Not sure if I should be angling for Pfizer or Moderna -- I'm 2X Moderna at this point -- and I'm not sure when.  I'm about 3.5 months from shot #2.  I just don't see going into the fall w/o a booster, regardless of what the CDC says.

[brakeman 28,376]

13 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm pretty resigned to a 3rd mRNA.  Not sure if I should be angling for Pfizer or Moderna -- I'm 2X Moderna at this point -- and I'm not sure when.  I'm about 3.5 months from shot #2.  I just don't see going into the fall w/o a booster, regardless of what the CDC says.

Edited August 6, 2021 by brakeman
for the lazy, i see you.

[Francisco 2.0 32,395]

The lesson, as always.  Dress for the occasion. Not sure pajama pants are the appropriate clothing choice for a formal meeting, but I digress.

Sub-note:  this bitch is fucking crazy.

 

 

 

[StassneyHorn 6,617]

Welp, my dad is helping my grandma move from West Virginia to Texas this weekend. Flying from Victoria to Houston to Chicago to West Virginia (will unironically talk about how flying sucks afterwards even though he booked it himself).

3 day drive back in a Uhaul with my vaccinated grandma, but is going out of his way to stop at a place in Arkansas to eat that he liked when he was driving his rig.

[atomheartbevo 89,735]

8 hours ago, AnotherUTFan said:

Its a normal pizza shop, actually a pretty good one. The family that runs it happen to be from Brazil. They do have a Brazilian food section on the menu that's hit or miss, but thebpizzas are solid.

Is there a basement in that pizza joint?

Asking for a friend.

[atomheartbevo 89,735]

Reminder about the guy on the right

Brian Kilmeade, who doesn't seem to like vaccines, once said this:

 

 

 

[lmao 178]

14 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

For homework, compare and contrast Jesus H. Christ with H. Scott Apely. Then H. Scott with the sentiments in my post.

Jesus can love everybody, I can't. I can make my way through life trying to be tolerant and to do no harm to others, Apely couldn't.

I'm comfortable with my scorn.

Good for you. Hope you're consistent in your outrage. 

 

[safe sex 11,735]

I don't post while I'm at work very often, but seeing the state of things tonight...

Stay at home! Keep yourself and your loved ones safe! Don't do stupid things that can land you in the hospital right now. There are no fucking beds and no fucking nurses to take care of you. 

I'm about to double admit two middle-aged man who thought it would be a real lark to get on those fucking scooters after drinking a lot. Now their brains are bleeding and they're going to unnecessarily take up two of our last beds so we can keep an eye on their dumb asses for a day or two. 

Don't be dumb. 

And get vaxxed if you haven't already ffs 

[NameAlreadyInUse 5,114]

Sorry for partying. 

[safe sex 11,735]

4 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Sorry for partying. 

I hope you enjoy getting your jello over an hour after you ask for it

[Sawbonz 27,580]

Another one

https://www.gofundme.com/f/pressley-stutts-american-patriot

 

 

[WhatTheBuck 28,788]

4 hours ago, trauma babe said:

I hope you enjoy getting your jello over an hour after you ask for it

There’s always room for jello. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21,204]

5 hours ago, trauma babe said:

I hope you enjoy getting your jello over an hour after you ask for it

So, sounds like things are pretty much normal...j/k.  That sucks, I'll avoid drinking scooter rides but will still be on my motorcycle, sober.  Hey, at least I'm social distanced, while riding. 

[Bookman 4,639]

9 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

The lesson, as always.  Dress for the occasion. Not sure pajama pants are the appropriate clothing choice for a formal meeting, but I digress.

Sub-note:  this bitch is fucking crazy.

 

 

 

Lol she mad. Over wearing a mask. In a pandemic.

[Bookman 4,639]

7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Reminder about the guy on the right

Brian Kilmeade, who doesn't seem to like vaccines, once said this:

 

 

 

Jesus Christ. Wow. Fuck.

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Pancho said:

Defended my dissertation last year, but Nebraska didn’t hold graduation due to COVID.  They invited us back for graduation along with the Class of 2021 grad students, and that graduation is scheduled for next week.  My parents (early 60s) are insisting they go because they really want to watch me get hooded.  With the rise in these new cases, combined with the state of Nebraska not giving 2 shits about COVID combined with my dad’s dad pretty much being on his deathbed right now (and my dad going to visit him near daily), I’ve been trying to put my foot down on them not going and they can just watch me online. 

Holy fuck are they fighting me on this.  They will not win though. 

As a dad, that would be hard as hell.  I don't disagree with your stance either.  I get it.

I think it would take convincing from my son( seems like where you are at) that he truly didn't want us there, out of concern for our safety.

Congratulations on your graduation and I am very sorry y'all might have to celebrate it somewhere else.  Big time heart tugs...

 

Spoiler

I will say, because of how my sons and I give each other hell, I'd just reply, "Why the fuck you going then?"

 

Edited August 6, 2021 by slorch

[956 Worldwide 34,719]

9 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

The lesson, as always.  Dress for the occasion. Not sure pajama pants are the appropriate clothing choice for a formal meeting, but I digress.

Sub-note:  this bitch is fucking crazy.

 

 

 

Maybe unpopular opinion but the collapse in public behavior and discourse is not unrelated to the increasing trend of looking like a slob 24/7.  You can make an ass of yourself in public wearing a suit——but it’s a different KIND of ass. 

[Incredulity 11,675]

12 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

If you have kids under 12, start lying about their age to the doctor 

where exactly would one be able to lie about a childs age to a doctor?  First fucking thing they do is open a patient’s medical records.  Dr Scholls giving out the shot?  Dr.Martens? 

[Francisco 2.0 32,395]

Following up on the Tractor Supply picture of warning not to buy horse meds:

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/demon-sperm-doctors-new-bogus-cure-has-covid-truthers-eating-horse-paste?ref=home

 

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It’s not snake oil, literally. But as bogus COVID-19 miracle drugs go, horse paste comes pretty close.

As coronavirus infections rage among the unvaccinated, those suspicious of the shot are championing a new supposed COVID-19 cure. Thanks to a dubious study of ivermectin, a drug used in humans to treat parasites like scabies, cranks have seized on the drug as the new solution to coronavirus prevention and treatment.

 

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Devotees have besieged pharmacists with prescriptions from shady online prescribers, forcing pharmacies to crack down and treat the antiparasitic drugs like opioids. As human-approved ivermectin prescriptions have been harder to come by, enthusiasts have taken to raiding rural tractor supply stores in search of ivermectin horse paste (packed with “apple flavor!”) and weighed the benefits of taking ivermectin “sheep drench” and a noromectin “injection for swine and cattle.”

 

 

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“There is certainly a noticeable increase in calls to poison centers regarding ivermectin being misused,” a Texas-based poison control specialist, who requested anonymity due to concerns of repercussions, told The Daily Beast via email. “It’s clear that a vast majority are associated with a belief that it will prevent or treat COVID. That said, I do want to be careful not to be sensational—there’s no epidemic of ivermectin overdoses in hospitals, but it’s needless suffering given the lack of conclusive evidence of a benefit.”

 

Spoiler

All to treat and prevent a disease for which there’s a free and widely available vaccine.

In some textbook cases, Facebook users have recommended using the drug against doctors’ orders.

“Personally I haven’t had this situation, but if I did, I would sneak horse paste into the hospital and would rub it into the armpit myself to save my loved one,” a member of an ivermectin Facebook group advised another.

Like the Trumpist miracle cure hydroxychloroquine before it, the hype for ivermectin comes against the advice of the medical community, which has been skeptical of the drug’s purported benefits. Although ivermectin optimists point to a few trials of the drug on COVID patients, two of the flashiest studies have either been withdrawn or heavily criticized due to errors. A recent review of existing ivermectin studies by the medical research group Cochrane did not rule in the drug’s favor.

“Based on the current very low- to low-certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID-19,” the Cochrane report, released July 28 read. “The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality […] Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use of ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID-19 outside of well-designed randomized trials.” The report called for further randomized trials of ivermectin on COVID patients.

“Most overdoses will be mild and simply result in some gastrointestinal distress and maybe some drowsiness, but severe overdose can cause significant neurological toxicity,” the Texas poison control worker said. “The irony is, in a severe ivermectin overdose (which is rare, you really have to be slamming this stuff to achieve that) patients will end up needing to be intubated to protect their airway, meanwhile, a lot of them are taking the ivermectin to allegedly treat their COVID… to avoid ultimately being intubated and placed on a ventilator.”

As vaccine skeptics suck down tubes of horse paste and hit up poison control centers with calls, the FDA has patiently explained why people should not take medicine intended for livestock. Though they contain the same active ingredient approved for use in people, animal medications are “highly concentrated because they are used for large animals like horses and cows, which can weigh a lot more than we do” and as a result “Such high doses can be highly toxic in humans.”

That kind of scientific caution is hard to find on the internet, where users on Telegram, Facebook groups, and Amazon comments sections guide each other on how to find and use the drug and evangelize it to others.

Facebook groups offer support and answers to users who are confused, scared, and ignorant. When a poster has a question about how to convert horse doses to people doses, commenters are only too happy to provide suggestions. Their answers may prove a threat to your liver health, but they fill the vacuum of information for those committed to exploring the frontiers of COVID medical quackery.

Posters ask questions not readily answered by the legitimate medical community, like what size dose of the phoney miracle drug to give an 8-year old recently diagnosed with COVID-19. Group members respond with a chart that lists suggested doses in human-approved ivermectin tablets or “notches” for the markings on tubes of horse paste listed according to patient weight.

The chart, a frequently pasted image in Facebook groups touting the drug, is sourced to Gustavo Aguirre Chang, a Peruvian doctor and evangelist for ivermectin’s use in treating COVID-19.

On Amazon, where customers can buy horse paste ivermectin without a prescription, purchasers speak in coded reviews to extol the drug’s supposed benefits against COVID-19. “My ‘horse’ had no negative side effects, and now he tells me he feels like a million bucks and is now COVID free,” one customer wrote. “If you are intelligent enough to be able to weigh yourself and smart enough to do fractions you can do this safely” another assured readers.

Amazon has become so popular as a source for horse-to-human ivermectin that the purchases are starting to warp the company’s recommendation engines.

Amazon’s popularity as a backdoor for people to obtain Amazon’s recommendation systems are only too happy to push similar. show a suspicious number of customers purchased zinc, vitamin C, and quercetin—other popular (and bogus) coronavirus home remedies—alongside pulse oximeters, often purchased by those infected with COVID-19 to monitor their oxygen levels.

“This is actually the primary situation we get called about,” the Texas poison control worker said. “The big headache for poison control centers is that people are circumventing their physician and going to animal supply stores and acquiring ivermectin which can be purchased without a prescription with the understanding it’s for large animal veterinary use only. However, this form of ivermectin is a 1.87% paste [in delicious apple flavor]—it’s so concentrated because it’s formulated for 1,500-pound horses, not humans. Unless someone knows what they’re doing, it’s very easy to overdose on the paste.”

When horse ivermectin isn’t available, believers will scour the animal kingdom for other sources. On one forum, a European ivermectin fan complained that he could only find the drug in quantities approved for pet parrots, leading to an expensive cost-per-dosage. On Facebook, an ivermectin-curious woman shared a picture of “sheep drench,” asking if the ovine de-louser would help fight COVID-19. The bold label printed on the bottle warning “NOT SAFE OR APPROVED FOR HUMAN USE, WHICH COULD CAUSE SEVERE PERSONAL INJURY OR DEATH” in the image did little to deter curiosity.

Off-label ivermectin requests are also hitting legitimate pharmacies, to pharmacists’ displeasure.

One pharmacist, who has worked in Missouri and Illinois over the course of the pandemic, said they’d received approximately 10 ivermectin prescriptions in recent months: an uncommon number for a drug typically used to treat scabies or serious lice infestations in humans. About six of those 10 prescriptions raised red flags, like weirdly large dosages or doctors who canceled orders when questioned.

“If I could verify based on current dosage information for its available indications that the prescription appeared to be for a valid diagnosis I would dispense with no issue,” the pharmacist, who requested anonymity due to concerns of repercussions at work, told The Daily Beast. For the six unusual orders, the pharmacist called the prescriber. Half of those doctors never answered. Of the three that responded, “two canceled the prescription—one electronically and one verbally while on the phone. The third verbally confirmed it was for the treatment of acute COVID infection and did not deem to cancel it.”

The electronic cancellation came from a prescriber far out of state, in California.

An Arizona-based pharmacist told The Daily Beast that their pharmacy had been inundated with ivermectin prescriptions from America’s Frontline Doctors.

The group was founded in 2020 by Dr Simone Gold, currently awaiting trial on charges related to her alleged participation in the Jan. 6 insurrection, and pushed an anti-lockdown, pro-hydroxychloroquine agenda with the help of Dr. Stella Immanuel, the so-called “demon sperm” doctor who has professed a belief in aliens and “reptilian” overlords.

After spending much of the pandemic touting hydroxychloroquine, America’s Frontline Doctors now offers tele-health consults for $90 and directs prospective patients and visitors looking to get scripts for hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin filled to Ravkoo, an online pharmacy startup based in Florida.

“At the peak we were getting between 5-10 scripts per week. (Demon sperm ‘MD’ was calling them into our voicemail). Recently, it’s been 1-2 a month thankfully,” the Arizona pharmacist messaged The Daily Beast.

“Our biggest problem was when one other Rph [registered pharmacist] filled a script for it and the floodgates opened after that. Those being from the TX demon sperm MD (I forget her name, honestly). The office would never answer the phone when we called to question it but we would just write down the info and document it before we destroyed the rx.”

Although the pharmacist had been able to reason with would-be ivermectin patients, some colleagues had found themselves facing “ladies threatening to sue, being accused of overstepping our boundaries, etc,” the Arizona pharmacist said.

Pharmacies’ reluctance to fill dubious ivermectin scripts has prompted America’s Frontline Doctors to start recruiting plaintiffs for a lawsuit. The group published a plaintiff intake form on its website to screen for doctors and patients who’ve had pharmacies refuse to fill their ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine prescriptions.

Still, at least one customer changed their mind after learning more about the drug.

“Only one person I spoke with actually agreed to not wanting to pick it up after she told me her friend referred her to the telemedicine appointment,” the Arizona pharmacist said. “She had no idea what she was getting or that it was useless.”

 

 

 

[Anastasis 23,477]

23 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Devotees have besieged pharmacists with prescriptions from shady online prescribers, forcing pharmacies to crack down and treat the antiparasitic drugs like opioids.

What a world.  

 

29 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

As human-approved ivermectin prescriptions have been harder to come by, enthusiasts have taken to raiding rural tractor supply stores in search of ivermectin horse paste (packed with “apple flavor!”) and weighed the benefits of taking ivermectin “sheep drench” and a noromectin “injection for swine and cattle.”

 

No surprise that our S-E-C friends in College Station have an entire thread multiple threads devoted to ivermectin, leading people to the Tractor Supply. 

 https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3212043

https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3214061

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3164456

https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3209148

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3205413

 

That's not even half of them...

[Bookman 4,639]

4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

What a world.  

 

 

No surprise that our S-E-C friends in College Station have an entire thread multiple threads devoted to ivermectin, leading people to the Tractor Supply. 

 https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3212043

https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3214061

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3164456

https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3209148

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3205413

 

That's not even half of them...

It's embarrassing to share a state with them.