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1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

Just like all of those people who don't want to go back to work because of all of those awesome federal unemployment subsidies.

GTFO.

LOLz.  Really?

 

Tell how great the virtual schooling turned out last year.  Tell me how great the parents handled it Tell me why schools in some states didn't open, even though others returned to the classroom just fine.

Take off your fucking team jersey for 3 seconds...

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25 minutes ago, slorch said:

Given how last year went with regard to schools and attendance/ in-person/ virtual; I have a problem with people fighting the mask mandate for kids.

The absolute priority for society in general right now is that the 2021-22 school year be as close to 'normal' as possible.  The mask thing is such a stupid hill to die on; and if this gets fucked up because of it or gives 'the other side' an out as far as not having school again, it's gonna be a huge ass price to pay down the road.

I know none of that matters when compared with political victories.

you sound like a stupid commie libtard.  Do the research, sheeple!

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2 minutes ago, slorch said:

LOLz.  Really?

 

Tell how great the virtual schooling turned out last year.  Tell me how great the parents handled it Tell me why schools in some states didn't open, even though others returned to the classroom just fine.

Take off your fucking team jersey for 3 seconds...

SLORCH'D

 

Look, there are no teams when it comes to getting our children safely educated.  We all want that.  I was commenting on your lazy, ill-informed, and clearly biased implication that there still is a "side" that wants to keep schools closed.

GTFO.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

you sound like a stupid commie libtard.  Do the research, sheeple!

My stance on  public education evidently leans that way.  Have heard it many times.

 

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22 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

If I was just a bit more immoral and had some high level MAGA connections, this would be my scam:   "Conservative Health Hosp Inc."   .   We don't hire "medical professions" .  We don't believe in liberal concepts like "germ theory", "sanitary technique"  or "science".   No required handwashing, gloves or masks during your procedures!   No sir, your medical care at our intuition will be based on the latest QNan and Facebook cures of the day,  and whatever is on sale at Tractor Supply.   Mostly your healing will involve prayer (after the collection plate is passed) and watching your wife clucked by large, well hung minorities.   Cash/credit card only and no socialism such as compassionate care or discounts.

Don't forget to give them bleach to drink.

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4 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

SLORCH'D

 

Look, there are no teams when it comes to getting our children safely educated.  We all want that.  I was commenting on your lazy, ill-informed, and clearly biased comment that there still is a "side" that wants to keep schools closed.

GTFO.

People will leverage the situation to get their way politically.  Absolutely could happen. It did last school year.

 

and stop it with your personal shots.  Discuss the topic, for crisesake.

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2 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

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Together we win....what?  What do we win?

"I refuse to do a single goddamned thing to restrain the spread of a global pandemic or reduce any risks of my family becoming ill and a burden on our crashing healthcare system!"  Congratulations!  You win.....the fucking Dumb Selfish Asshole of the Year award?  Because I gotta tell ya...you've got a lot of competition.

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

So can somebody please explain to me how we got to ivermectin, a medication used almost exclusively to combat intestinal parasites in animals (mostly horses), being used as a prophylactic measure for COVID? My in-laws, who are otherwise smart and well-educated, were told by their voodoo/new age doctor to come get ivermectin pills from him after their housekeeper tested posted back in the spring. (They get cold laser treatment from this guy.) The one hygienist that hasn't had COVID or gotten vaccinated uses ivermectin in paste form. It's bizarre AF and I want to know how this came about.

 

https://www.salon.com/2021/08/09/how-anti-vaxxers-weaponized-and-promoted-ivermectin-a-horse-de-wormer-drug-as-a-covid-19-treatment/

 

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In November 2020, a pre-print study touting the safety and efficacy of an anti-parasitic drug called Ivermectin was published on the Research Square website, a platform where scientific studies are submitted before they are peer-reviewed and accepted by a journal. The study, led by Dr. Ahmed Elgazzar of Egypt's Benha University, claimed that in a randomized control trial of nearly 600 people, hospitalized COVID-19 patients who "received ivermectin early reported substantial recovery."

 

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In the search for a COVID-19 wonder drug, the preprint study seemed promising. But then, in July 2021, the paper was pulled "due to ethical concerns." Those concerns included alleged plagiarism and calculation of data points that were "mathematically impossible," according to The Guardian.

Despite the retraction, the anti-parasite drug is allegedly flying off shelves of local farmer supply stores, according to various local news reports who say some feed stores are struggling to keep it in stock. That's because the drug has become a political flashpoint, enveloped by the culture wars just like nearly everything else related to the pandemic.

 

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Indeed, Republicans politicians like Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) have promoted Ivermectin as a COVID treatment. Robert Malone, a doctor who has spread COVID-19 vaccine misinformation on platforms like "Tucker Carlson Tonight," alleged to have personally used the drug to treat COVID-19, further popularizing it among followers of Carlson's show. The response to Malone's latest Ivermectin-related tweet reveals how many of his followers are using the so-called treatment to undermine the available COVID-19 vaccines. "You don't need a #vaccine, people," one commented. "Ivermectin works," another one chimed in.

 

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Without a prescription, the only way for a layperson to obtain Ivermectin would be at a feed store or farm supply store, which sell the drug as a horse de-wormer. Some such stores report having to put up signage reminding their customers that the drug is approved for horse consumption, not human consumption.

Salon reached out to Tractor Supply Company, whose spokesperson would not share sales numbers, but did note that the retail chain has put up "signs to remind our guests that these products are for animal use only."

"The product sold in our stores is only suitable for animals and is clearly labeled as such," the spokesperson said via email. "The anti-parasite drug Ivermectin has not been approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans; if customers have questions about COVID-19, we suggest consulting a licensed physician and finding more information at  FDA website."

Meanwhile, right-leaning politicians abroad have been promoting the drug. The presidential administration of Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil has spent "millions" to promote un proven drugs like Ivermectin as COVID-19 treatments, according to an NPR report. In India and elsewhere in Latin America, Ivermectin has gained momentum. Craig Kelly, an Australian member of Parliament, has repeatedly promoted Ivermectin.

The obsession over Ivermectin, and its politicization, is curious from an economic standpoint. Unlike climate change denialism or other anti-science culture wars, there is no lobby group profiting off of Ivermectin sales to the extent that they might pull politicians' strings. So why have so many on the right seized on an unproven drug as a COVID-19 treatment? 

According to Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center, the right-wing obsession with Ivermectin may be important to that demographic merely because it sows distrust in science in general while stirring up vaccine skepticism. 

"Politics got injected into it, and then Ivermectin became a crusade for certain individuals, as a way to kind of deflect the importance of the vaccine," Adalja told Salon. "It's the same kind of story of the politics of this pandemic that's driven a lot of the interest in Ivermectin — and when I do interviews on ivermectin I get a slew of hate mail."

Yet such promotion of unproven drugs can be dangerous. According to the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA), there have been "multiple reports of patients who have required medical support and been hospitalized after self-medicating with ivermectin intended for horses."

Ivermectin, as previously mentioned, is often used to treat or prevent parasites in animals. Reminiscent of how anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine was touted by former President Donald Trump as a treatment for COVID-19 despite there being little sound scientific evidence to support such a claim, Ivermectin has become weaponized in a way to distract efforts from getting the unvaccinated vaccinated. This kind of misinformation costs lives — not only because humans should not be taking Ivermectin that is meant for animals, but also because there is no scientific evidence to suggest that it treats COVID-19.

"There's no evidence that Ivermectin has a beneficial effect in treating COVID-19," Adalja said. "Studies that are there are of poor quality, none of which really has an unequivocally positive result. One of the studies which was touted to provide the most evidence has been shown to be invalid study."

Adalja was referring to Elgazzar's study. Salon reached out to Elgazzar twice and did not receive a comment prior to publication.

Imran Ahmed, CEO of Center for Countering Digital Hate, said that promoting the idea that treatments like Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine can treat COVID-19 fall into one of three categories of misinformation promoted by anti-vaccine influencers. The three misinformation categories, Ahmed said, include "COVID isn't dangerous," "vaccines are dangerous," and the idea that you "can't trust doctors."

"This is all part of the spreading of the idea that vaccines might not be the safest way of dealing with this," Ahmed said.[It's part of] 'the government's trying to kill you with a vaccine,' and blah, blah. It's an extremist narrative."

Meanwhile, the World Health Organization (WHO) has issued a warning against its use with the exception of clinical trials.

"The current evidence on the use of Ivermectin to treat COVID-19 patients is inconclusive," WHO stated in March 2021. "Until more data is available, WHO recommends that the drug only be used within clinical trials."

As Nature has reported, there are risks to people taking the unchecked drug to treat COVID-19. Not only has it been linked to convulsions, lethargy and disorientation; it can impede researchers' ability to conduct clinical trials. 

Alejandro Krolewiecki, an infectious-disease physician at the National University of Salta in Orán, Argentina, told Nature that the more people take it, especially in Latin America countries, "the more difficult it will be to collect the evidence that regulatory agencies need, that we would like to have, and that will get us closer to identifying the real role of this drug."

 

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4 minutes ago, slorch said:

LOLz.  Really?

 

Tell how great the virtual schooling turned out last year.  Tell me how great the parents handled it Tell me why schools in some states didn't open, even though others returned to the classroom just fine.

Take off your fucking team jersey for 3 seconds...

It was fantastic.  A hastily prepared system that came with bumps along the way, but with teachers who cared made it the best it could be.   That is how it went.  And yes, we even had to deal with multiple children and a toddler.   I could have been a cunt about it, I could have been unreasonable, or I could have made the best of it.   I chose the latter.  And my kids Aced their first year in public school, and I received excellent feedback from the teachers whom I kept in near constant communication with.   

So tell me about how horrible this experience was.   

Sometimes when you are served a shit sandwich, you might as well savor the bread and the service because you can't do anything about the turd, and being a bitchass about it won't make it disappear.  Being a bitchass will only make you, the kids, and the teachers miserable.  

 

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5 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Maybe they will all die together. I feel bad for the kids.  It isn't their fault their parents are idiotic.

 

Not only are they idiotic, they (and others like them) are fucking proud of how idiotic they are.

These people are proud to take horse de-wormer, for God's sake.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, slorch said:

You'd be surprised.  Plenty of folks look for excuses for little Johnny or Juanita not to be there.  Some are parents, some are teachers unions.

Surprise me then. Show me the news stories of liberal governors passing mandates that school districts can only be virtual. Show me the school board meeting videos of the teacher’s unions and little Johnny’s parents being escorted out because they are disrupting the entire meetings to yell about closing the schools. 

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1 hour ago, hookemATL said:

People are saying drinking a milkshake of rat poison and battery acid is very effective at preventing disease.  ALL DISEASES!! NO ONE WHO HAS TAKEN THIS MEDICATION HAS EVER CONTRACTED ANY DISEASE.

Now there is a slight issue with fatal poisoning, but come on...dont be a pussy.

that is rude.  In my research I have discovered that people are using between 55-168 grams of lead at high velocities to cure covid.   I recommend this to all my patients.    

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5 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

Surprise me then. Show me the news stories of liberal governors passing mandates that school districts can only be virtual. Show me the school board meeting videos of the teacher’s unions and little Johnny’s parents being escorted out because they are disrupting the entire meetings to yell about closing the schools. 

I second this request.

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14 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

Surprise me then. Show me the news stories of liberal governors passing mandates that school districts can only be virtual. Show me the school board meeting videos of the teacher’s unions and little Johnny’s parents being escorted out because they are disrupting the entire meetings to yell about closing the schools. 

"People are saying . . ."  -- DJT

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18 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

Surprise me then. Show me the news stories of liberal governors passing mandates that school districts can only be virtual. Show me the school board meeting videos of the teacher’s unions and little Johnny’s parents being escorted out because they are disrupting the entire meetings to yell about closing the schools. 

 

13 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I second this request.

Y'all need to stop with these personal attacks on poor Slorch.

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24 minutes ago, Player said:

Just a matter of time before they can update this idiotic fuckery with: "Unemployed - Unconscious - Unresponsive - Unbreathing"

 

Yep.  Fully expect them to show up on the leopardsatemyface subreddit.   And note how many kids they have.  "Idiocracy" was too damn prophetic.  The stupids outbreed us all.

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2 hours ago, trauma babe said:

What you were getting is called TPN—total parenteral nutrition— and it requires central venous access (meaning the IV you had ended juuuuust before the opening the the right atrium of your heart in your superior vena cava). It's basically the "chemical" or IV form of food, and is used when your body isn't able to process solid/liquid food in your stomach/small intestine properly. 

Are you sure it was the docs who put the tube up your nose? Big ups to them if so. Normally they're too scared to throw an NG tube in if the pt isn't under general anesthesia and they leave it to the nurses 😉

Oh it was definitely the nurses who did it. I just meant the docs allowed me to have some sedatives before they did it.

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If you throw some kind of jeweled cross on it or a dove, that’s a best seller for women shirts.

The men’s shirts will need a thin blue line and something abrasive about “proudly standing.” Maybe a picture of a soldier or some camo and say something like “They wear helmets so I won’t have to wear masks.”

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8 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Is your business plan to take advantage of the rubes by selling them shirts? 

Ohh . . . now it makes more sense to my smol brain. 

Perhaps the no mask message needs to be emphasized a bit more so the rubes will buy it?

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I think they would sell wherever trump or trump adjacent stooges congregate. 

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1 hour ago, slorch said:

Given how last year went with regard to schools and attendance/ in-person/ virtual; I have a problem with people fighting the mask mandate for kids.

The absolute priority for society in general right now is that the 2021-22 school year be as close to 'normal' as possible.  The mask thing is such a stupid hill to die on; and if this gets fucked up because of it or gives 'the other side' an out as far as not having school again, it's gonna be a huge ass price to pay down the road.

I know none of that matters when compared with political victories.

I think most agree we need as normal a school year as possible, which we would have if enough people got vaccinated or we get back to wearing masks indoors. The entire South is a fucking shit show right now and it's not going to magically get better over night.

 

1 hour ago, slorch said:

You'd be surprised.  Plenty of folks look for excuses for little Johnny or Juanita not to be there.  Some are parents, some are teachers unions.

21-22 school year needs to happen in the most serious way.

This is utter bullshit. I don't know a single parent who wants to see their kids stay home when they should otherwise be in school.

 

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

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59 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

First quick cut...

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I think you need the state to be in Texas flag coloring/design. Maybe put "Texas, fuck yeah!" on the back.

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1 hour ago, slorch said:

LOLz.  Really?

 

Tell how great the virtual schooling turned out last year.  Tell me how great the parents handled it Tell me why schools in some states didn't open, even though others returned to the classroom just fine.

Take off your fucking team jersey for 3 seconds...

You see, you're talking about last year's plague. That plague has been eaten up by this year's plague which is a whole new kettle of piranha. See, this new plague, Delta they call it, doesn't limit itself to the old, immune-suppressed, fat bastards that we all hate and didn't mind watching die.

Delta has been putting young adults, teens, and even babies in the hospital and killing some of them. It's the really mean version of the plague that only killed a half million fellow citizens last year. That was the fun one. Not this new guy.

Last year we were in the dark about what OG Covid would do. We were cautious because it might attack anybody. So school was cancelled. The funny thing about this year is that we know our old pal, Delta, is very democratic in who it decides to drown in an ICU. E'erbody can get it.

So your comparison, my esteemed fuckwad, is basically as apt as comparing a common flu of the last hundred years with the Spanish flu. 

Oops, I called you a name, fuckwad. I wouldn't do that to someone ignorant or just stupid. They can't help that most of the time. But you know what you're doing. You're part of the problem.

And you're doing it all for jollies. Negging you would be too trivial. You trivialize suffering and death. You're a piece of shit.

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23 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Think we could sell these?  I am open to suggestions.  I have an LLC that we can use, but I am not sure of the ins and outs of donating to political causes.

Just run it like the Bannon Wall Building scam.   You'll make millions and never see a second of jail time.

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31 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Think we could sell these?  I am open to suggestions.  I have an LLC that we can use, but I am not sure of the ins and outs of donating to political causes.

The writing is too frilly -- and might be borderline "unreadable" for the rubes you're marketing to.

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2 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

Was just editing my post above to say this.  These idiots can't read cursive.  They will think its Arabic or something.  Regular Merican print would be better.

I think it also needs in very small print something like this ©Surly or ©FAFO Inc.

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19 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

You see, you're talking about last year's plague. That plague has been eaten up by this year's plague which is a whole new kettle of piranha. See, this new plague, Delta they call it, doesn't limit itself to the old, immune-suppressed, fat bastards that we all hate and didn't mind watching die.

Delta has been putting young adults, teens, and even babies in the hospital and killing some of them. It's the really mean version of the plague that only killed a half million fellow citizens last year. That was the fun one. Not this new guy.

Last year we were in the dark about what OG Covid would do. We were cautious because it might attack anybody. So school was cancelled. The funny thing about this year is that we know our old pal, Delta, is very democratic in who it decides to drown in an ICU. E'erbody can get it.

So your comparison, my esteemed fuckwad, is basically as apt as comparing a common flu of the last hundred years with the Spanish flu. 

Oops, I called you a name, fuckwad. I wouldn't do that to someone ignorant or just stupid. They can't help that most of the time. But you know what you're doing. You're part of the problem.

And you're doing it all for jollies. Negging you would be too trivial. You trivialize suffering and death. You're a piece of shit.

 

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Clay Jenkins has instated a mask mandate for Dallas County effective at midnight tonight. Set to expire on 8/24.

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https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/dallas-county-judge-to-issue-emergency-order-challenging-abbotts-ban-on-mask-mandates/2715756/

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Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins issued an emergency order for mask requirements Wednesday, the day after securing a temporary restraining order against Gov. Greg Abbott's mask mandate ban.

The emergency order requires all child care centers, PreK-12 public schools and businesses to develop a health and safety policy, that must require, at a minimum, universal indoor masking.

The order goes into effect at 11:59 p.m. on Wednesday, August 11.

Governor Abbott's executive order that prohibits mask mandates is not a "necessary action to combat the pandemic," a Dallas County district judge ruled.

"We'll work quickly with schools and business leaders and health professionals and others to get their feedback and get in place reasonable mask requirements that will keep our kids and the rest of us safe," Jenkins told NBC 5.

Jenkins announced the restraining order Monday as COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations continued to surge across the county and North Texas. It came after Dallas ISD said it would require masks in spite of Abbott's executive order on Monday. Some other major Texas school districts, including Fort Worth ISD, followed suit on Tuesday.

In her ruling, 116th Civil District Court Judge Tonya Parker wrote, "immediate and irreparable injury, loss, or damage will result" if Jenkins cannot mandate mitigation measures against COVID-19.

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She noted as part of Jenkins' role as county judge, he leads the government in providing safety protection for all citizens.

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Dallas County Judge to Issue Emergency Order Challenging Abbott's Ban on Mask Mandates

Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins says he will issue an emergency order for mask requirements Wednesday, the day after securing a temporary restraining order against Gov. Greg Abbott’s mask mandate ban.

"The assertion that the Governor of the State of Texas doesn't have the authority to protect the rights and freedoms of Texans is just plain misguided," Abbott's office said in a statement provided to NBC 5. "Under Chapter 418, the Governor has full authority to issue executive orders that have the full force and effect of law in response to a disaster. This health disaster has continued to change, and so should our response. Texans have learned and mastered over the past year the safe practices to protect themselves and their loved ones from COVID, and do not need the government to tell them how to do so."

Tuesday, Texas exceeded 10,000 patients hospitalized with the coronavirus, the highest such number since early February.

"The enemy is not each other. The enemy is the virus and we must all do all that we can to protect public health," Jenkins said in a statement. "School districts and government closest to the people should make decisions on how best to keep students and others safe."

The temporary restraining order expires Aug. 24.

 

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2 minutes ago, kevwun said:

14 days is the longest emergency orders issued by a County Judge can last I believe.  That's why it only goes to the 24th.  He can renew it though.

Not sure about your point but under the TRCP, TROs expire automatically after 14 days absent an agreement or subsequent order extending them.

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My roommate works for the state in childcare licensing, and she told me that today's phone intake calls have almost all entirely been about kids testing positive or the employees at a center testing positive. 

Nun-uh, John Cronyn told me kids won’t get it.
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