CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[UDontKnow 10439]

37 minutes ago, lmao said:

Does natural immunity not count toward herd immunity? I'm vaccinated. Everyone should get vaccinated. That doesn't mean we should ignore the protection people with antibodies have from prior infection. 

Not sure if serious or being willfully obtuse. But the answer to your question is 'no' because for this illness natural immunity wanes quickly (within 3 months) and does not appear to protect well against infection from variant strains. Heck even vaccine-induced immunity wanes with time hence the need for booster injections.

Herd immunity is much tougher to achieve for rapidly mutating viruses and when half the country refuses to get vaccinated. In order for herd immunity to work everyone needs to be fully vaccinated at roughly the same time to prevent viral mutation.

[DDD Dad 14250]

14 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Next manuscript title: Bowl of Texas Red as a Cost Effective Screening Tool for Early SARS-CoV-2 Infection. 

But is it peer-reviewed?

[Brisketexan 104548]

Hey, I wonder what the chair of the Texas Republican Party thinks about all of this?

 

That's right....masks INCREASE the risk of COVID.  How?  Dark magic and sorcery, I would assume.  It sure as shit isn't anything that makes any logical or scientific sense.

We live in the stupidest fucking timeline.

[Brisketexan 104548]

4 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

But is it peer-reviewed?

The best bowl-of-red-related hypotheses are beer-reviewed.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33833]

26 minutes ago, Thrawn said:

Reading your post actually made me realize that I loosely qualify as immunocompromised. Asplenia. No spleen. I didn’t realize that was listed. So I think I’m going to schedule that booster since technically I am eligible.

sup Chris! is your dad still an asshat?

[Biff Tannen 45491]

10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Hey, I wonder what the chair of the Texas Republican Party thinks about all of this?

 

That's right....masks INCREASE the risk of COVID.  How?  Dark magic and sorcery, I would assume.  It sure as shit isn't anything that makes any logical or scientific sense.

We live in the stupidest fucking timeline.

Did he delete it?  Can't find it on his feed.

[brakeman 28226]

 

[Anastasis 23392]

19 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

But is it peer-reviewed?

Peer review of anything chili related on the food forum is more rigorous, and in most cases far more adversarial and dogmatic, than anything you will get from many peer reviewed medical journals. Chili is actually really serious business. 

[Brisketexan 104548]

6 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Did he delete it?  Can't find it on his feed.

Probably.  One of the Castro bros tweeted it out, wouldn't be surprised if he pulled something that stupid back.

[DigglerontheHoof 21051]

10 minutes ago, brakeman said:

 

I hope every one of those protestors catches covid and dies.  

[C-Man 27035]

1 hour ago, DDD Dad said:

This isn't Karen's (er Kristin's) first rodeo:

https://www.peoplenewspapers.com/2019/09/24/mockingbird-lane-neighbors-feud/

 

4500 block of Mockingbird?

BTW, it doesn't appear that she has any kids at the HS or the middle school (5th-8th grades). She looks a bit, um, old to have elementary school kids.

 

27 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

This his cardiologist?  https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2021/08/13/baylor-health-sues-covid-19-vaccine-skeptic-and-demands-dallas-doctor-stop-using-its-name/

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

4 minutes ago, brakeman said:

 

So, I see the Dark Ages called and wants its people back.

 

[henrygandorf 29174]

1 hour ago, pyrohornIII said:

 

TikTok keeps taking down the vid that shows his face.  She posted another one.  I tried to imbed it, but you can see it by going to the original link and looking at her posting history.

 

 

lol discrimination.  i'm not a lawyer, but pretty sure 'moron' isn't a protected class.  maybe someday, pal.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20342]

3 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I hope every one of those protestors catches covid and dies.  

Notice how every one of the folks there is white? In a country with so many Hispanics/Latinos, so many African Americans, so many Asian Americans, why is that? Is it because they are all out working?

[Beau Vine 53979]

2 hours ago, Mole said:

A lot of higher ed is trying to figure stuff out right before class and slapping it up on a power point.

About 10 years ago, I had at kid at UT come up to me after class and ask me what I read.  I was like Huh?  He said, "You must read everything, because you have an example for everything."  

I didn't have the heart to tell him that my material comes about 90% from Googling.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20342]

4 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

lol discrimination.  i'm not a lawyer, but pretty sure 'moron' isn't a protected class.  maybe someday, pal.

Has this fucker been doxxed yet? Do we have his name?

[Born to Run 6564]

Does natural immunity not count toward herd immunity? I'm vaccinated. Everyone should get vaccinated. That doesn't mean we should ignore the protection people with antibodies have from prior infection. 

Of course. The larger point was the fuckery of defiantly declaring that you'll never get the vaccine, no matter what, while still in recovery after being hospitalized.

[Radical Larry 28528]

 

Gritty ISD?

[jimmyjazz 45545]

3 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

When can we kick Staten Island out of NYC?!?

[jimmyjazz 45545]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

I can think of many worse groups to inherit the earth. 

Yeah, but they won't procreate, and mankind will die out.

Oh, I see what you did there.

[lmao 178]

46 minutes ago, UDontKnow said:

Not sure if serious or being willfully obtuse. But the answer to your question is 'no' because for this illness natural immunity wanes quickly (within 3 months) and does not appear to protect well against infection from variant strains. Heck even vaccine-induced immunity wanes with time hence the need for booster injections.

Herd immunity is much tougher to achieve for rapidly mutating viruses and when half the country refuses to get vaccinated. In order for herd immunity to work everyone needs to be fully vaccinated at roughly the same time to prevent viral mutation.

No, Im not being 'willfully obtuse'. What is your source that natural immunity wanes after 3 months & that natural immunity doesn't count towards herd immunity? I & a few other coworkers had antibodies 3+ months after infection. I got the JJ when it was my turn in line afterwards. 

[C-Man 27035]

24 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Notice how every one of the folks there is white? In a country with so many Hispanics/Latinos, so many African Americans, so many Asian Americans, why is that? Is it because they are all out working?

I think that's in the UK based on some of the replies

[Ten Bears 2479]

1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

sup Chris! is your dad still an asshat?

[brakeman 28226]

 

 

Edited August 18, 2021 by brakeman
mounting evidence of Long-Term Erectile Dysfunction not mentioned here. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/05/16/can-covid-19-coronavirus-cause-long-term-erectile-dysfunction-here-are-2-more-studies/?sh=618ef3231e75

[Francisco 2.0 32317]

 

 

 

Edited August 18, 2021 by Francisco 2.0

[Lucid 3]

5 hours ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

This is simply the result of 30 or so years of the hate engine indoctrinating people to distrust the government, the media, and anything that isn't on right wing media or Fox News.  They're broken.  Hopefully they all die off.

Distrust in the government & media arises from the government & media constantly demonstrating that they are unworthy of trust. Of course the dim lightbulbs who can't perceive that the corruption is near-universal believe that the people who tell them the things they personally want to hear are "different".

[Pancho 44452]

3 hours ago, Mole said:

A lot of higher ed is trying to figure stuff out right before class and slapping it up on a power point.

And using the same examples each year because the examples are still relevant to the concepts, but the students are different. 

[Pods 7526]

1 hour ago, lmao said:

No, Im not being 'willfully obtuse'. What is your source that natural immunity wanes after 3 months & that natural immunity doesn't count towards herd immunity? I & a few other coworkers had antibodies 3+ months after infection. I got the JJ when it was my turn in line afterwards. 

Fuck off Fozzz. Your entire schtick as a poster is willfully obtuse. 

I've already posted data showing variants cause re-infection in previously infected people countless times over the past two months of dealing with you and GRHorn's disingenuous bullshit.  

There is no herd immunity without a robust vaccination regime and boosters. There was debate about this 2 months ago, there is no debate about it now. 

Edited August 18, 2021 by Pods

[gmr548 16490]

3 hours ago, lmao said:

 

lmao indeed

[Pancho 44452]

3 hours ago, lmao said:

 

This was posted 2 weeks ago.  What's your point?

[elfenix 34170]

An Alabama doctor watched patients reject the coronavirus vaccine. Now he’s refusing to treat them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/08/18/alabama-doctor-unvaccinated-patients-valentine/

[Francisco 2.0 32317]

Preaching to the choir here (mostly).  You stragglers who don't want a shot for whatever reason, kindly get fucked.

 

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-08-17/vaccinated-covid-doctor-shot

 

Op-Ed: As a doctor in a COVID unit, I’m running out of compassion for the unvaccinated. Get the shot

 

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My patient sat at the edge of his bed gasping for air while he tried to tell me his story, pausing to catch his breath after each word. The plastic tubes delivering oxygen through his nose hardly seemed adequate to stop his chest from heaving. He looked exhausted.

He had tested positive for the coronavirus 10 days ago. He was under 50, mildly hypertensive but otherwise in good health. Eight days earlier he started coughing and having severe fatigue. His doctor started him on antibiotics. It did not work.

 

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Fearing his symptoms were worsening, he started taking some hydroxychloroquine he had found on the internet. It did not work.

He was now experiencing shortness of breath while doing routine daily activities such as walking from his bedroom to the bathroom or putting on his shoes. He was a shell of his former self. He eventually made his way to a facility where he could receive monoclonal antibodies, a lab-produced transfusion that substitutes for the body’s own antibodies. It did not work.

 

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He finally ended up in the ER with dangerously low oxygen levels, exceedingly high inflammatory markers and patchy areas of infection all over his lungs. Nothing had helped. He was getting worse. He could not breathe. His wife and two young children were at home, all infected with COVID. He and his wife had decided not to get vaccinated.

 

Spoiler

Last year, a case like this would have flattened me. I would have wrestled with the sadness and how unfair life was. Battled with the angst of how unlucky he was. This year, I struggled to find sympathy. It was August 2021, not 2020. The vaccine had been widely available for months in the U.S., free to anyone who wanted it, even offered in drugstores and supermarkets. Cutting-edge, revolutionary, mind-blowing, lifesaving vaccines were available where people shopped for groceries, and they still didn’t want them.

Outside his hospital door, I took a deep breath — battening down my anger and frustration — and went in. I had been working the COVID units for 17 months straight, all day, every day. I had cared for hundreds of COVID patients. We all had, without being able to take breaks long enough to help us recover from this unending ordeal. Compassion fatigue was setting in. For those of us who hadn’t left after the hardest year of our professional lives, even hope was now in short supply.

Shouting through my N95 mask and the noise of the HEPA filter, I introduced myself. I calmly asked him why he decided not to get vaccinated.

“Well, I’m not an anti-vaxxer or anything. I was just waiting for the FDA to approve the vaccine first. I didn’t want to take anything experimental. I didn’t want to be the government’s guinea pig, and I don’t trust that it’s safe,” he said.

“Well,” I said, “I can pretty much guarantee we would have never met had you gotten vaccinated because you would have never been hospitalized. All of our COVID units are full and every single patient in them is unvaccinated. Numbers don’t lie. The vaccines work.”

This was a common excuse people gave for not getting vaccinated, fearing the vaccine because the Food and Drug Administration had only granted it emergency-use authorization so far, not permanent approval. Yet the treatments he had turned to, antibiotics, monoclonal antibodies and hydroxychloroquine were considered experimental, with mixed evidence to support their use.

The only proven lifesaver we’ve had in this pandemic is a vaccine that many people don’t want. A vaccine we give away to other countries because supply overwhelms demand in the U.S. A vaccine people in other countries stand in line for hours to receive, if they can get it at all.

“Well," I said, “I am going to treat you with, remdesivir, which only recently received FDA approval.” I explained that it had been under an EUA for most of last year and had not been studied or administered as widely as COVID-19 vaccines. That more than 353 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine had been administered in the U.S. along with more than 4.7 billion doses worldwide without any overwhelming, catastrophic side effects. “Not nearly as many doses of remdesivir have been given or studied in people and its long-term side effects are still unknown,” I said. “Do you still want me to give it to you?”

“Yes” he responded, “Whatever it takes to save my life.”

It did not work.

My patient died nine days later from a fatal stroke. We, the care team, reconciled this loss by telling ourselves: He made a personal choice not to get vaccinated, not to protect himself or his family. We did everything we could with what we had to save him. This year, this tragedy, this unnecessary, entirely preventable loss, was on him.

The burden of this pandemic now rests on the shoulders of the unvaccinated. On those who are eligible to get vaccinated, but choose not to, a decision they defend by declaring, “vaccination is a deeply personal choice.” But perhaps never in history has anyone’s personal choice impacted the world as a whole as it does right now. When hundreds and thousands of people continue to die, when the most vulnerable members of society, our children, cannot be vaccinated — the luxury of choice ceases to exist.

If you believe the pandemic is almost over and you can ride it out, without getting vaccinated, you could not be more wrong. This virus will find you.

If you believe I’ll just wait until the FDA approves the vaccine first, you may not live to see the day.

If you believe if I get infected I’ll just go to the hospital and get treated, there is no guarantee we can save your life, nor even a promise we’ll have a bed for you.

If you believe I’m pregnant and I don’t want the vaccine to affect me, my baby or my future fertility, it matters little if you’re not alive to see your newborn.

If you believe I won’t get my children vaccinated because I don’t know what the long-term effects will be, it matters little if they don’t live long enough for you to find out.

If you believe I’ll just let everyone else get vaccinated around me so I don’t have to, there are 93 million eligible, unvaccinated people in the “herd” who think the same way you do and are getting in the way of ending this pandemic.

If you believe vaccinated people are getting infected anyway so what’s the point?, the vaccine was built to prevent hospitalizations and deaths from severe illness. Instead of fatal pneumonia, those with breakthrough infections have a short, bad cold, so the vaccine has already proved itself. The vaccinated are not dying from COVID-19.

SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has mutated countless times during this pandemic, adapting to survive. Stacked up against a human race that has resisted change every step of the way — including wearing masks, social distancing, quarantining and now refusing lifesaving vaccines — it is easy to see who will win this war if human behavior fails to change quickly.

The most effective thing you can do to protect yourself, your loved ones and the world, is to GET VACCINATED.

And it will work.

Anita Sircar is an infectious disease physician and clinical instructor of health sciences at the UCLA School of Medicine.

 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11805]

14 minutes ago, Lucid said:

Distrust in the government & media arises from the government & media constantly demonstrating that they are unworthy of trust. Of course the dim lightbulbs who can't perceive that the corruption is near-universal believe that the people who tell them the things they personally want to hear are "different".

I don’t even know where to start with this.  The people who have fed you this diet of bullshit have done everything they can to reinforce it.  The GQP has broken government at every turn, declared anyone who reports on it and disagrees (the media) as the enemy, and evidently succeeded in convincing a decent part of the population that everyone is out to get them.  Ignorance is the parent of fear.  What you fail to understand is, you are being manipulated and conned by wealthy people into helping them continue their grift.  You are dumb.   Just like all those confederate soldiers who didn’t own slaves, but bought into the “those elites can’t tell me what to do!”, well, they are, and you are a sucker.  Get a brain, moran.  

[jimmyjazz 45545]

9 minutes ago, elfenix said:

An Alabama doctor watched patients reject the coronavirus vaccine. Now he’s refusing to treat them.

I get it at a high level, but honestly, I don't want doctors deciding who to treat and who to turn away for any reasons other than emergency triage.  It just seems contrary to the code we expect our medical personnel to follow.  Yes, they are in a really shitty situation, but they signed up and accepted the responsibility.

[lmao 178]

12 minutes ago, Pods said:

Fuck off Fozzz. Your entire schtick as a poster is willfully obtuse. 

I've already posted data showing variants cause re-infection in previously infected people countless times over the past two months of dealing with you and GRHorn's disingenuous bullshit.  

There is no herd immunity without a robust vaccination regime and boosters. There was debate about this 2 months ago, there is no debate about it now. 

Please post sources that say antibodies from prior infection doesn't count towards herd immunity. What debate settled this science? Links please. You're getting emotional & hurling insults. I don't gaf about your politics just post the science. 

[Nivek 16847]

3 hours ago, lmao said:

 

I'll admit, this is the first time I saw this video.  I watched it, it is clearly edited and does not say what the titles says.  I award you FUCK YOU for posting bullshit.  May Covid have mercy on your anus.

[Nivek 16847]

10 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I get it at a high level, but honestly, I don't want doctors deciding who to treat and who to turn away for any reasons other than emergency triage.  It just seems contrary to the code we expect our medical personnel to follow.  Yes, they are in a really shitty situation, but they signed up and accepted the responsibility.

 I don't want them harming themselves for assholes who are too much of an asshole to care about collateral damage.  

[4th&Five 41457]

 

[WhatTheBuck 28705]

4 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Tangent: Joe Biden eats at Whataburger. Trump prefers McDonalds over everything.

Trump has a wide range of culinary tastes.

[27-25 2040]

15 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I get it at a high level, but honestly, I don't want doctors deciding who to treat and who to turn away for any reasons other than emergency triage.  It just seems contrary to the code we expect our medical personnel to follow.  Yes, they are in a really shitty situation, but they signed up and accepted the responsibility.

If emergency triage starts with something like, "COVID and not vaxxed?  Back of the line!", then I can get onboard with that.  If a single person dies of a non-COVID disease because hospital resources are eaten up by anti-vaxxers (and I'm certain this has already happened) then blood is on the hands of those fuckers.  To hell with them!

[4th&Five 41457]

5 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Trump has a wide range of culinary tastes.

No picture sums up his presidency better. So proud of being a cheap piece of shit. 

[lmao 178]

18 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I'll admit, this is the first time I saw this video.  I watched it, it is clearly edited and does not say what the titles says.  I award you FUCK YOU for posting bullshit.  May Covid have mercy on your anus.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/acting-boston-mayor-compares-covid-vaccine-passport-slavery-freedom-papers-n1276097

[WhatTheBuck 28705]

10 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

No picture sums up his presidency better. So proud of being a cheap piece of shit. 

Rich white trash. 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11805]

11 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

No picture sums up his presidency better. So proud of being a cheap tasteless  piece of shit traitor.

Fify.

[jimmyjazz 45545]

24 minutes ago, Nivek said:

 I don't want them harming themselves for assholes who are too much of an asshole to care about collateral damage.  

I understand.  I really do.  It's hard for me to reconcile.

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

47 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Preaching to the choir here (mostly).  You stragglers who don't want a shot for whatever reason, kindly get fucked.

 

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-08-17/vaccinated-covid-doctor-shot

 

Op-Ed: As a doctor in a COVID unit, I’m running out of compassion for the unvaccinated. Get the shot

 

 

 

 

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Last year, a case like this would have flattened me. I would have wrestled with the sadness and how unfair life was. Battled with the angst of how unlucky he was. This year, I struggled to find sympathy. It was August 2021, not 2020. The vaccine had been widely available for months in the U.S., free to anyone who wanted it, even offered in drugstores and supermarkets. Cutting-edge, revolutionary, mind-blowing, lifesaving vaccines were available where people shopped for groceries, and they still didn’t want them.

Outside his hospital door, I took a deep breath — battening down my anger and frustration — and went in. I had been working the COVID units for 17 months straight, all day, every day. I had cared for hundreds of COVID patients. We all had, without being able to take breaks long enough to help us recover from this unending ordeal. Compassion fatigue was setting in. For those of us who hadn’t left after the hardest year of our professional lives, even hope was now in short supply.

Shouting through my N95 mask and the noise of the HEPA filter, I introduced myself. I calmly asked him why he decided not to get vaccinated.

“Well, I’m not an anti-vaxxer or anything. I was just waiting for the FDA to approve the vaccine first. I didn’t want to take anything experimental. I didn’t want to be the government’s guinea pig, and I don’t trust that it’s safe,” he said.

“Well,” I said, “I can pretty much guarantee we would have never met had you gotten vaccinated because you would have never been hospitalized. All of our COVID units are full and every single patient in them is unvaccinated. Numbers don’t lie. The vaccines work.”

This was a common excuse people gave for not getting vaccinated, fearing the vaccine because the Food and Drug Administration had only granted it emergency-use authorization so far, not permanent approval. Yet the treatments he had turned to, antibiotics, monoclonal antibodies and hydroxychloroquine were considered experimental, with mixed evidence to support their use.

The only proven lifesaver we’ve had in this pandemic is a vaccine that many people don’t want. A vaccine we give away to other countries because supply overwhelms demand in the U.S. A vaccine people in other countries stand in line for hours to receive, if they can get it at all.

“Well," I said, “I am going to treat you with, remdesivir, which only recently received FDA approval.” I explained that it had been under an EUA for most of last year and had not been studied or administered as widely as COVID-19 vaccines. That more than 353 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine had been administered in the U.S. along with more than 4.7 billion doses worldwide without any overwhelming, catastrophic side effects. “Not nearly as many doses of remdesivir have been given or studied in people and its long-term side effects are still unknown,” I said. “Do you still want me to give it to you?”

“Yes” he responded, “Whatever it takes to save my life.”

It did not work.

My patient died nine days later from a fatal stroke. We, the care team, reconciled this loss by telling ourselves: He made a personal choice not to get vaccinated, not to protect himself or his family. We did everything we could with what we had to save him. This year, this tragedy, this unnecessary, entirely preventable loss, was on him.

The burden of this pandemic now rests on the shoulders of the unvaccinated. On those who are eligible to get vaccinated, but choose not to, a decision they defend by declaring, “vaccination is a deeply personal choice.” But perhaps never in history has anyone’s personal choice impacted the world as a whole as it does right now. When hundreds and thousands of people continue to die, when the most vulnerable members of society, our children, cannot be vaccinated — the luxury of choice ceases to exist.

If you believe the pandemic is almost over and you can ride it out, without getting vaccinated, you could not be more wrong. This virus will find you.

If you believe I’ll just wait until the FDA approves the vaccine first, you may not live to see the day.

If you believe if I get infected I’ll just go to the hospital and get treated, there is no guarantee we can save your life, nor even a promise we’ll have a bed for you.

If you believe I’m pregnant and I don’t want the vaccine to affect me, my baby or my future fertility, it matters little if you’re not alive to see your newborn.

If you believe I won’t get my children vaccinated because I don’t know what the long-term effects will be, it matters little if they don’t live long enough for you to find out.

If you believe I’ll just let everyone else get vaccinated around me so I don’t have to, there are 93 million eligible, unvaccinated people in the “herd” who think the same way you do and are getting in the way of ending this pandemic.

If you believe vaccinated people are getting infected anyway so what’s the point?, the vaccine was built to prevent hospitalizations and deaths from severe illness. Instead of fatal pneumonia, those with breakthrough infections have a short, bad cold, so the vaccine has already proved itself. The vaccinated are not dying from COVID-19.

SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has mutated countless times during this pandemic, adapting to survive. Stacked up against a human race that has resisted change every step of the way — including wearing masks, social distancing, quarantining and now refusing lifesaving vaccines — it is easy to see who will win this war if human behavior fails to change quickly.

The most effective thing you can do to protect yourself, your loved ones and the world, is to GET VACCINATED.

And it will work.

Anita Sircar is an infectious disease physician and clinical instructor of health sciences at the UCLA School of Medicine.

 

 

Good one.  This bit:

 

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Yet the treatments he had turned to, antibiotics, monoclonal antibodies and hydroxychloroquine were considered experimental, with mixed evidence to support their use.

 

Is definitely preaching to the choir.  The lack of basic ability to reason is a pre-requisite to become one of these people.

 

This, though.  This is the one I try not to think too much about:

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SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has mutated countless times during this pandemic, adapting to survive. Stacked up against a human race that has resisted change every step of the way — including wearing masks, social distancing, quarantining and now refusing lifesaving vaccines — it is easy to see who will win this war if human behavior fails to change quickly.

Doomed.

[The Dog 43786]

I get it at a high level, but honestly, I don't want doctors deciding who to treat and who to turn away for any reasons other than emergency triage.  It just seems contrary to the code we expect our medical personnel to follow.  Yes, they are in a really shitty situation, but they signed up and accepted the responsibility.

The headline doesn’t match the article - he’s telling his patients (current customers) to find another doctor if they don’t get vaccinated because he isn’t seeing them anymore for anything - physicals, colds, etc.

The headline implies that he’s not seeing unvaccinated COVID patients and that’s not correct.

[Horn Dog 9671]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

I get it at a high level, but honestly, I don't want doctors deciding who to treat and who to turn away for any reasons other than emergency triage.  It just seems contrary to the code we expect our medical personnel to follow.  Yes, they are in a really shitty situation, but they signed up and accepted the responsibility.

Well, there is a difference between a Trauma center turning away a patient in a life/death situation and a primary care doc deciding who he wants to have a ongoing professional relationship with.  The latter is certainly acceptable and has been for a long time (see concierge medical practices).  As a hospital based doc, I can’t turn anyone away, but I  am in the boat of the doc who posted about losing a significant amount of compassion for the unvaxxed.  I feel very little sympathy for those patients…which kinda saddens me but oh well.

I would like to see insurance companies start charging a huge unvax premium, like for smokers and others that exercise their “medical freedom”.  Those 2-3 weeks on a ventilator in the ICU isn’t cheap and I don’t want my rates going up to subsidize those decisions since of course that would be socialism 

Edited August 19, 2021 by Horn Dog

[jimmyjazz 45545]

1 minute ago, The Dog said:

The headline doesn’t match the article - he’s telling his patients (current customers) to find another doctor if they don’t get vaccinated because he isn’t seeing them anymore for anything - physicals, colds, etc.

The headline implies that he’s not seeing unvaccinated COVID patients and that’s not correct.

I read the article.  I just don't think doctors should be screening patients in that manner.

I understand why they might do it, but talk about a slippery slope (ironically, a debate tactic I usually push back against).  

[jimmyjazz 45545]

1 minute ago, Horn Dog said:

Well, there is a difference between a Trauma center turning away a patient in a life/death situation and a primary care doc deciding who he wants to have a ongoing professional relationship with.  The latter is certainly acceptable and has been for a long time (see concierge medical practices).  As a hospital based doc, I can’t turn anyone away, but I  am in the boat of the doc who posted about losing a significant amount of compassion for the unvaxxed.  I feel very little sympathy for those patients…which kinda saddens me but oh well.

I get this, it's a different scenario between ER and office visit.

 

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I would like to see insurance companies start charging a huge unvax premium, like for smokers and others that exercise their “medical freedom”.  Those 2-3 weeks on a ventilator in the ICU isn’t cheap and I don’t want my rates going up to subsidize those decisions since of course that would be socialism 

Now this I am fully on board with.  Maybe it will turn the tide . . . a bit.