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  On 8/19/2021 at 8:16 PM, Homercles said:

Of course prior illness is contributory towards herd immunity, but fuck fuck status means there’s an understanding it’s really about avoiding vaccination.

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Here’s a Venn diagram of natural immunity bros and anti-vaccine bros:

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  On 8/19/2021 at 8:26 PM, SydneyCarton said:

Or you can just make an appointment or walk into a place, say you haven't been vaccinated, request Phizer or Moderna, and get a shot. 

By all accounts of doctors I spoke with the "booster" would be the same dosage you received in the first two shots. 

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Yep.  I'm going in on Monday for my 2nd shot of Pfizer.  3rd shot overall.  And my natural antibodies since I had a breakthrough case.  I'm superhuman now I think.

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  On 8/19/2021 at 7:35 PM, Pods said:

 

Oxford pre-print just came out with that data for the UK comparing Alpha and Delta. The data runs through August 1. 

2-dose Pfizer provides superior protection to a recovered natural infection for either Alpha, or Delta. 

 

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https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/files/coronavirus/covid-19-infection-survey/finalfinalcombinedve20210816.pdf

 

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Can’t look at the actual study right now. Did they list the absolute rates breakthrough infection versus re-infection?

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  On 8/19/2021 at 8:42 PM, Biff Tannen said:

Yep.  I'm going in on Monday for my 2nd shot of Pfizer.  3rd shot overall.  And my natural antibodies since I had a breakthrough case.  I'm superhuman now I think.

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I'm going early October, I think. That will be the 6 month mark for me. 

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  On 8/19/2021 at 8:42 PM, Biff Tannen said:

Yep.  I'm going in on Monday for my 2nd shot of Pfizer.  3rd shot overall.  And my natural antibodies since I had a breakthrough case.  I'm superhuman now I think.

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Can you let me/us know how that process goes for you? Im assuming no one is asking any questions. 

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  On 8/19/2021 at 8:38 PM, Hefeweizen said:

Yammer is gone dude.  It’s now part of Teams.

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Good. Yammer was ground zero for CLMs (career limiting moves). It is amazing to me what people will say on a public work forum. 

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  On 8/19/2021 at 8:53 PM, Neonmoon said:

Good. Yammer was ground zero for CLMs (career limiting moves). It is amazing to me what people will say on a public work forum. 

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No worries there, I watched a really well liked employee get herself fired on Workplace by Facebook last year for her thoughts on race relations.  I've heard that we've had similar shit go down on Slack.  And we don't use Teams but I expect it's not much different.  Even without Yammer, there are plenty of places you can go to wreck yourself.

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  On 8/19/2021 at 8:26 PM, SydneyCarton said:

Or you can just make an appointment or walk into a place, say you haven't been vaccinated, request Phizer or Moderna, and get a shot. 

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Well, yeah, that's an option I've advocated on here already.  But if some sort of vaccine passport is in our future, I'd rather conform to the protocol than just lie and go rogue.  

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  On 8/19/2021 at 4:36 PM, JimmyJames said:

Maybe a scholarship so it was much cheaper? Only explanation I can come up with. Know a kid who chose SMU over UT but that’s because SMU was free for him due to a scholarship and they paid for his dorm too. 

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  On 8/19/2021 at 9:00 PM, jimmyjazz said:

Well, yeah, that's an option I've advocated on here already.  But if some sort of vaccine passport is in our future, I'd rather conform to the protocol than just lie and go rogue.  

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I get that. My wife was concerned about complications since she has her vac card on file at her school where she works. I told her to talk to her nurse and her boss. But at the end of the day, she has her old card, and if she got a new card, could flatly say "Yeah, this is my vaccine history." If you're worried about being able to indicate your own history moving  forward, I mean. 

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  On 8/19/2021 at 9:07 PM, Mole said:

I don’t think it’s possible to jump a line that doesn’t exist.

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This.  There is no centralized database.  They don't know shit.  Our problem is definitely not too many people getting vaccinated and there isn't a vaccine shortage, so I don't really care.

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My wife and I were breakthroughs a few weeks back; I know a fair number of others. My anecdotal guess is that it’ll be pretty common going forward. 

I know just one breakthrough who was briefly hospitalized. 

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  On 8/19/2021 at 5:28 PM, jimmyjazz said:

Yeah, I've made it clear to my kids that full out of state tuition is not happening at most schools.  My daughter is entering her sophomore year at UT -- tuition is like $11K annual.  Why should I put the stress on our family to pay $50K at some lesser school?  I don't care what you "want", I want you to get a degree from the best school possible and when that school is in our backyard, that's what I'll commit to paying. 

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That's what I did.  Mines literally might have been the only OOS public school I would have paid for.

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  On 8/19/2021 at 9:12 PM, tx 3 putt said:

my first two shots were moderna, should i only seek out moderna for my 3rd shot ?

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Yes. My parents are immunodeficiency folks, and they spoke to their doctor, and they were told to specifically ask for another dose of what they have already received.  

  On 8/19/2021 at 9:15 PM, Aqua Buddha said:

Got our second shot in April.  Eight months would be December.  Any upside or downside to getting it early, like in October or some such?

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Upside? Sure. You're forcing your bodies to make more antibodies before they get low enough to allow major breakthrough or illness. At least that's my reasoning. Several of my friends are doing a UT CARES study that is measuring antibody levels in people who have been vaxxed at different times in the process. They get their results in a couple days. Results vary from person to Person. One got her second shot the same time I did, around April 1st, and her levels were as high as most folks 2-3 months after their second shot (she's at 4.5 months). Another person who had their second shot 6 months ago was down to almost nothing. Your timeline is the same as mine (December is 8 months), and I'm going to go ahead and go in October. I'd rather fill up the gas tank again before I start flirting with empty. 

 

Then again, I'm not a doctor. But the doctors I've spoken with about this seem to generally agree with the logic. 

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  On 8/19/2021 at 9:35 PM, SydneyCarton said:

Your timeline is the same as mine (December is 8 months), and I'm going to go ahead and go in October. I'd rather fill up the gas tank again before I start flirting with empty.

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Absent any strong evidence to the contrary, this is my preference.  I'm April 7.  Early October seems about right to me.

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  On 8/19/2021 at 9:15 PM, Aqua Buddha said:

Got our second shot in April.  Eight months would be December.  Any upside or downside to getting it early, like in October or some such?

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  On 8/19/2021 at 9:38 PM, jimmyjazz said:

Absent any strong evidence to the contrary, this is my preference.  I'm April 7.  Early October seems about right to me.

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March 26 here. I'm thinking about two weeks prior to Texas OU. I want to be fully loaded for that. 

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  On 8/19/2021 at 9:35 PM, SydneyCarton said:

Yes. My parents are immunodeficiency folks, and they spoke to their doctor, and they were told to specifically ask for another dose of what they have already received.  

Upside? Sure. You're forcing your bodies to make more antibodies before they get low enough to allow major breakthrough or illness. At least that's my reasoning. Several of my friends are doing a UT CARES study that is measuring antibody levels in people who have been vaxxed at different times in the process. They get their results in a couple days. Results vary from person to Person. One got her second shot the same time I did, around April 1st, and her levels were as high as most folks 2-3 months after their second shot (she's at 4.5 months). Another person who had their second shot 6 months ago was down to almost nothing. Your timeline is the same as mine (December is 8 months), and I'm going to go ahead and go in October. I'd rather fill up the gas tank again before I start flirting with empty. 

 

Then again, I'm not a doctor. But the doctors I've spoken with about this seem to generally agree with the logic. 

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This is kinda my thinking.  It's been almost exactly 6 months since my last dose......I'm thinking that I'm at a 1/4 tank, might as well fill er up soon.

My son is at 5 months, but 1) he's got a slightly dicier immune system, and 2) he's getting ready to leave the country for 3+ months, so i'm really going to have a good conversation with the wife about topping off his tank as well.  Of course, as he noted "I'm 18 now -- if I want to get another shot, I'll go get it."  Adult children -- good stuff.

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  On 8/19/2021 at 9:41 PM, Brisketexan said:

This is kinda my thinking.  It's been almost exactly 6 months since my last dose......I'm thinking that I'm at a 1/4 tank, might as well fill er up soon.

My son is at 5 months, but 1) he's got a slightly dicier immune system, and 2) he's getting ready to leave the country for 3+ months, so i'm really going to have a good conversation with the wife about topping off his tank as well.  Of course, as he noted "I'm 18 now -- if I want to get another shot, I'll go get it."  Adult children -- good stuff.

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100% he needs to get it before leaving the country. i forget, which country will he be studying in ?

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  On 8/19/2021 at 8:45 PM, Sawbonz said:

Can’t look at the actual study right now. Did they list the absolute rates breakthrough infection versus re-infection?

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Unfortunately, doesn't look like they calculated absolute breakthrough/re-infection rates and I'd revise my earlier post to reflect that if I could.

They appear to have collected the data as visits, rather than individual patients. I don't know if they have individual patient data, but they didn't report it directly,

Table S2 was as close as they got, but this is for visits, not individual patients. 

 

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Was this posted earlier?  Didn't want to wade back to see

 

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/watchdog/2021/08/19/if-north-texas-runs-out-of-icu-hospital-beds-doctors-can-consider-a-patients-vaccination-status/

 

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North Texas doctors have quietly developed a plan that seeks to prepare for the possibility that due to the COVID-19 surge the region will run out of intensive-care beds.

If that happens, for the first time, doctors officially will be allowed to take vaccination status of sick patients into account along with other triage factors to see who gets a bed.

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A copy of an internal memo written by Dr. Robert Fine, co-chair of the North Texas Mass Critical Care Guideline Task Force, was sent to members of the task force -- and leaked to The Watchdog. It summarizes the latest work by the task force, a volunteer group that periodically updates medical guidelines for hospitals in our region. There are about 50 members from various hospitals in the group. Although their recommendations are not enforceable, the guidelines are generally followed.

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  On 8/19/2021 at 9:56 PM, Francisco 2.0 said:

Was this posted earlier?  Didn't want to wade back to see

 

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/watchdog/2021/08/19/if-north-texas-runs-out-of-icu-hospital-beds-doctors-can-consider-a-patients-vaccination-status/

 

 

 

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Well, it's flat-out true.  If two sick COVID patients come in presenting similarly, the mathematical odds are that the vaccinated one has a better chance of benefiting from treatment and surviving than the unvaccinated one.

Battlefield triage decisions are horrific, and tragic....but here we are.  When you have finite resources that can't treat ALL the patients, you have to go with the ones most likely to benefit from your treatment.

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  On 8/19/2021 at 10:00 PM, Brisketexan said:

Well, it's flat-out true.  If two sick COVID patients come in presenting similarly, the mathematical odds are that the vaccinated one has a better chance of benefiting from treatment and surviving than the unvaccinated one.

Battlefield triage decisions are horrific, and tragic....but here we are.  When you have finite resources that can't treat ALL the patients, you have to go with the ones most likely to benefit from your treatment.

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the finding out phase of vax hesitancy appears to moving along well.

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  On 8/19/2021 at 9:38 PM, jimmyjazz said:

Absent any strong evidence to the contrary, this is my preference.  I'm April 7.  Early October seems about right to me.

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March 3 here.  I'm supposed to have rotator cuff surgery in November so I'm hoping I'll be able to move up my timeline for vax by a few weeks.

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  On 8/19/2021 at 10:00 PM, Brisketexan said:

Well, it's flat-out true.  If two sick COVID patients come in presenting similarly, the mathematical odds are that the vaccinated one has a better chance of benefiting from treatment and surviving than the unvaccinated one.

Battlefield triage decisions are horrific, and tragic....but here we are.  When you have finite resources that can't treat ALL the patients, you have to go with the ones most likely to benefit from your treatment.

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Sounds an awful lot like death panels to me. Thanks a lot, Obama. 

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https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/local/orleans/republican-leaders-stall-funding-for-new-orleans-projects-superdome-renovations/289-b42af2a3-f5cc-4358-bdab-1938731e5a38

 

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 Louisiana’s State Bond Commission voted to delay action on funding for several projects in New Orleans, including renovations to the Superdome.

Commission members, including Attorney General Jeff Landry, were explicit about what they wanted to see before they would issue funds for the Superdome: Refunds for Saints season ticket holders who would not comply with the new COVID safety protocols as well as an option for them to hold their tickets until next season.

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Landry even suggested the option of automatically approving the funds after the Saints adjusted their refund policy to meet that criteria.

Matthew Block, executive counsel for Gov. John Bel Edwards, objected to the motion, noting that the delay could throw the project off schedule.

“It was much discussed in the legislative session, it’s in the overall capital budget to make sure that this ongoing project can stay on target,” Block said. “What is the end goal of trying to remove these funds? To what end? I think the Saints clarified today what their position is.”

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  On 8/19/2021 at 9:00 PM, jimmyjazz said:

Well, yeah, that's an option I've advocated on here already.  But if some sort of vaccine passport is in our future, I'd rather conform to the protocol than just lie and go rogue.  

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HEB is giving a booster if you are immunocompromised, but I doubt they quiz you regarding what your exact condition is. I made an appt for Saturday. I may cancel it. I don’t know, I’m in a moral quandary about lying

 

edit: just saw above that someone got their third without issues at HEB. Decided fuck it, just gonna do it

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  On 8/19/2021 at 10:49 PM, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Texas couple fucked around, found out, now their four children have no parents:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7bm97/unvaccinated-moms-dying-wish-make-sure-my-children-get-vaccinated?utm_source=vicenewstwitter


Mom's dying wish? "Make sure my children get vaccinated."

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Literally too stupid to live. The problem with  modern version of darwinism is that it is no longer exclusive to the person who fucked around. It now affects everyone around them. If Zog was slow and the lion got him, well, sorry Zog. Now Ken and Karen refuse to get vaxed and they end up killing themselves and likely several people around them. It's a type of thinning the herd, but taking good people with them too. It's bullshit.



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