CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[HenryJames 66192]

 

[4th&Five 41606]

Welp, didn't expect Jerry Jones to be a voice of reason on Covid.  

Edited August 24, 2021 by 4th&Five

[Nice Guy Eddie 13529]

8 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Embarrassing if UT doesn’t implement the same policy at DKR if it hasn’t already. It would be even better if the state sued us to try to stop it. Defending such a mandate in court can be the kill shot needed to end Abbott and Paxton.

Are there any UT regents that weren't nominated by Abbott and confirmed by Patrick?

[DDD Dad 14362]

1 minute ago, HenryJames said:

 

And yet, no masking or vaccine requirements have been announced for Cowboys Stadium events.

[4th&Five 41606]

 

[Aqua Buddha 14625]

Tractor Supply in Oklahoma is sold out of horse paste:

OKLAHOMA CITY (KFOR) – The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is warning people not to take horse deworming medication to treat COVID-19. 

It turns out the medicine, Ivermectin, is flying off store shelves in Oklahoma, despite the warning.

“Once the damage is done in these situations, you’re not going back,” Dr. Mary Clarke with the Oklahoma State Medical Association. 

t’s damage that could lead to long-term health problems. Dr. Clark told KFOR Oklahomans are using the drug to treat or prevent COVID-19.

“The FDA has said please, please, this is not something that is recommended,” said Dr. Clarke. “And the manufacturer of the actual medicine has said we have no evidence of effectiveness.” 

Dr. Clarke said the drug, which has not been studied on humans, treats or prevents parasites in animals. However, Clarke said there are two versions of Ivermectin.

“There’s a human-grade, but it’s for parasite infections,” said Clarke. “20 years ago was the last time that I’ve used Ivermectin on a human.”

KFOR contacted 12 Tractor Supply stores around Oklahoma, and they all said Ivermectin was sold out. 

“Ivermectin is gone within hours of shipment,” one store said.

 “I mean, we even have ‘Please don’t eat’ signs up,” another told KFOR.

 “We haven’t received a shipment in two weeks,” said a supply store. “I think it’s because people are consuming it.”    

“There’s too much potential for error if a person goes and takes a veterinary product intended for large animals,” said Scott Schaeffer with the Oklahoma Poison Control Center. 

Since May, there have been 10 poison calls related to Ivermectin. Diarrhea and vomiting are two of the many side effects you could experience. Some can be very serious.

“It could be dizziness, cardiac rhythm problems, blood pressure issues, primarily low blood pressure. Especially mix with some other medications,” said Dr. Clarke. “There is no dose. There’s no dose for this because there’s no evidence that this is going to work.” 

Again, doctors warn don’t buy medicine from a feed store. 

Doctor Clarke told KFOR the best way to prevent COVID is to get vaccinated.

https://kfor.com/news/local/do-not-take-medicine-for-animals-oklahoma-stores-sold-out-of-horse-deworming-drug-despite-fda-warning-about-consumption/

[jimmyjazz 46283]

59 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I'm not sure they've announced anything. Weren't students required to get 1 test at the beginning of the semester?

Yes.  But, they made it confusing, and as you might expect, compliance is not really being checked.

If a student is moving into a new place of residence for the fall semester, they are supposed to show proof of a negative covid test within the 3-day window prior to their move.  For my daughter, who moved into a West Campus apartment on August 15th, that would mean a test in the Aug 12 - Aug 14 window, or however they count "3 days before".

Nobody asked her for proof, and indeed she had none.  Of course, she has been fully vaccinated for months.

For those students who aren't changing residence for the fall semester, they require proof of a negative covid test in the 3-day window prior to school starting (which is tomorrow).  My daughter is getting her test this afternoon.

True to form, UT falls back on its tendency to make things more complicated than need be.  They just should have said all students need to submit proof of a negative covid test between (for instance) Aug 10 and Aug 15.  But no, they tried to time it to changing residence, for somewhat murky reasons, and now nobody knows what the hell to do.

[jimmyjazz 46283]

3 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Welp, didn't expect Jerry Jones to be a voice of reason on Covid.  

Yeah, that one was surprising.  I expected the exact opposite.

[jimmyjazz 46283]

2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Tractor Supply in Oklahoma is sold out of horse paste:

OKLAHOMA CITY (KFOR) –

Again, doctors warn don’t buy medicine from a feed store. 

What a fucking world we live in.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Tractor Supply in Oklahoma is sold out of horse paste:

OKLAHOMA CITY (KFOR) – The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is warning people not to take horse deworming medication to treat COVID-19. 

It turns out the medicine, Ivermectin, is flying off store shelves in Oklahoma, despite the warning.

“Once the damage is done in these situations, you’re not going back,” Dr. Mary Clarke with the Oklahoma State Medical Association. 

t’s damage that could lead to long-term health problems. Dr. Clark told KFOR Oklahomans are using the drug to treat or prevent COVID-19.

“The FDA has said please, please, this is not something that is recommended,” said Dr. Clarke. “And the manufacturer of the actual medicine has said we have no evidence of effectiveness.” 

Dr. Clarke said the drug, which has not been studied on humans, treats or prevents parasites in animals. However, Clarke said there are two versions of Ivermectin.

“There’s a human-grade, but it’s for parasite infections,” said Clarke. “20 years ago was the last time that I’ve used Ivermectin on a human.”

KFOR contacted 12 Tractor Supply stores around Oklahoma, and they all said Ivermectin was sold out. 

“Ivermectin is gone within hours of shipment,” one store said.

 “I mean, we even have ‘Please don’t eat’ signs up,” another told KFOR.

 “We haven’t received a shipment in two weeks,” said a supply store. “I think it’s because people are consuming it.”    

“There’s too much potential for error if a person goes and takes a veterinary product intended for large animals,” said Scott Schaeffer with the Oklahoma Poison Control Center. 

Since May, there have been 10 poison calls related to Ivermectin. Diarrhea and vomiting are two of the many side effects you could experience. Some can be very serious.

“It could be dizziness, cardiac rhythm problems, blood pressure issues, primarily low blood pressure. Especially mix with some other medications,” said Dr. Clarke. “There is no dose. There’s no dose for this because there’s no evidence that this is going to work.” 

Again, doctors warn don’t buy medicine from a feed store. 

Doctor Clarke told KFOR the best way to prevent COVID is to get vaccinated.

https://kfor.com/news/local/do-not-take-medicine-for-animals-oklahoma-stores-sold-out-of-horse-deworming-drug-despite-fda-warning-about-consumption/

Does anybody have any idea where the Ivermectin is good against Covid theory started?  I mean, are there some quack doctors that put this out there or are we at the point where the GRU could just have trolls put something on Facebook like you should go outside and get hit by a truck and it will knock the Covid out of you. and millions of Americans would follow and die?  

[brakeman 28463]

[Macklemore 2876]

7 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Are there any UT regents that weren't nominated by Abbott and confirmed by Patrick?

I would be shocked if CDC and Hartzel didn’t have autonomy to make such a call. There would be political blow back for sure but they have the right to pull the trigger on that.

[tx 3 putt 77592]

5 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

Does anybody have any idea where the Ivermectin is good against Covid theory started?  I mean, are there some quack doctors that put this out there or are we at the point where the GRU could just have trolls put something on Facebook like you should go outside and get hit by a truck and it will knock the Covid out of you. and millions of Americans would follow and die?  

 
I’ll guess Facebook medical studies 100% support horse toothpaste 

[C-Man 27286]

2 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

Does anybody have any idea where the Ivermectin is good against Covid theory started?  I mean, are there some quack doctors that put this out there or are we at the point where the GRU could just have trolls put something on Facebook like you should go outside and get hit by a truck and it will knock the Covid out of you. and millions of Americans would follow and die?  

I asked this same question a few weeks ago. Apparently, this has been a thing for more months than I remember. My in-laws go to a holistic, weirdo doctor for cold laser therapy. The doc is a former anesthesiologist, who I now wonder if he was effectively booted from that discipline. The doc is a patient of my FIL, who is a dentist. Back before my in-laws were vaxxed in Feb, their cleaning lady tested positive after being in their house. Upon hearing that, my FIL apparently asked MIL to go get the Ivermectin the doc had given them. Granted, their no doubt getting the Ivermectin for humans, not the horse paste.

(As a semi-ironic sidebar, weirdo doctor got COVID, which developed into pneumonia. He is recovering but not quickly. Oh, and he also has a-fib now. Dude is 71.)

Oh, and I decided to toss out the hot potato tweet about the guy having to be hospitalized due to ingesting too much animal-grade Ivermectin. A good friend who went to Baylor and is as conservative as it gets, chimed in that he and his wife were given Ivermectin when they both got COVID and it helped them quite a bit. I didn't bother responding. 🤦‍♂️

[Sawbonz 27644]

14 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

Does anybody have any idea where the Ivermectin is good against Covid theory started?  I mean, are there some quack doctors that put this out there or are we at the point where the GRU could just have trolls put something on Facebook like you should go outside and get hit by a truck and it will knock the Covid out of you. and millions of Americans would follow and die?  

Several in vitro studies show it is effective at blocking RNA replication in several viruses including coronaviruses. Would need to use higher doses than currently FDA approved and there are no clinical trials yet although at least 2 are enrolling patients 

[956 Worldwide 34815]

2 hours ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

This is fucking infuriating. If a kid with cancer comes in— policy should be that the unvaxxed COVID case that’s been there longest gets unplugged and wheeled out to the parking lot and the kid gets the spot. I’d be nice and give them a scoop of horse dewormer. 

[safe sex 11800]

1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

Several in vitro studies show it is effective at blocking RNA replication in several viruses including coronaviruses. Would need to use higher doses than currently FDA approved and there are no clinical trials yet although at least 2 are enrolling patients 

The most recent in vitro study I saw related to ivermectin and coronaviruses was from 2005, so not exactly cutting edge. There may be more recent ones, though.

[Sawbonz 27644]

3 minutes ago, trauma babe said:

The most recent in vitro study I saw related to ivermectin and coronaviruses was from 2005, so not exactly cutting edge. There may be more recent ones, though.

The two clinical studies I’m talking about are still enrolling participants through September with results expected around May 2022. Searching on phone is a PITA but one is in another country and one is listed on the govt website for clinical trials

No real need to repeat the in vitro stuff I don’t think. IIRC it acts on one of the subunits of the rna dependent rna polymerase enzyme which is fairly conserved across rna viruses

Edited August 24, 2021 by Sawbonz
Saw you were talking about in vitro

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

Saw this idea on reddit, and maybe on this thread somewhere as well.   "Sneak" real covid vaccination shots into livestock stores.  Call it super-ivermectin or something without the word vaccine in it.  Track it in a quasi-reverse sting operation.  Publish some facebook and other social media posts about 'the treatment the Joe Biden and the government doesn't want you to know about.  Requires two doses just like the vaccine...."

 

[conVINCEd 21473]

32 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Welp, didn't expect Jerry Jones to be a voice of reason on Covid.  

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[wildcat09 29435]

28 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

Does anybody have any idea where the Ivermectin is good against Covid theory started?  I mean, are there some quack doctors that put this out there or are we at the point where the GRU could just have trolls put something on Facebook like you should go outside and get hit by a truck and it will knock the Covid out of you. and millions of Americans would follow and die?  

I think there were some small studies last December that showed it killed covid in vitro. At some point after that a few more small studies were performed and I think a bigger fraudulent study in India, after which Bret and Heather Weinstein really started pimping it in May while saying that getting vaccinated was like playing Russian roulette. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33900]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

 

ok, simulation, you win. I NEVER, EVER thought I would agree with Jerry Jones on anything other than how much fun sloots are.

[Patrick Bateman 3933]

1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

Welp, didn't expect Jerry Jones to be a voice of reason on Covid.  

The sentiment is spot on, but no COVID safety protocols for AT&T stadium to protect patrons like New Orleans is employing (Fucking New Orleans) or Las Vegas.  The man will never, every put his money where his mouth is if it means sacrifice.

 

[Bookman 4642]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

It’s past point of caring. People have decided to live or die on the unvaxxed hill, fuck’em. They need to stop tying up resources and die quietly at home 

I agree with this. If you chose to be unvaxxed and are now sick, don’t be a pussy and go to the hospital. There are much more deserving patients who need it. Be a man and just let your body become naturally immune.

[Don Johnson 4757]

1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Lol. I imagine it’s 100% selfish. From his personal health to his bottom line. 

[Don Johnson 4757]

1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Lol. I imagine it’s 100% selfish. From his personal health to his bottom line. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33900]

Just now, Don Johnson said:

Lol. I imagine it’s 100% selfish. From his personal health to his bottom line. 

Yup, I'm sure all sports owners are hurting from the last 18+ months. They want nothing more than to get butts in seats, but can't do that until this shit show is under control

[Player 4576]

2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I'm not sure they've announced anything. Weren't students required to get 1 test at the beginning of the semester?

UT and any organization in Texas has to balance the safety of their people and pissing off the state GOP leadership. Say that the major colleges in Texas all required vaccinations and/or a recent test. It's possible Abbott could punish them by not allowing more than 20K in a college stadium.

UT also has a problem with high level donors imposing their will on the athletic dept. "I have to get a test? I will keep my $1m check this year."

Students that were Big Ticket holders last season had to be tested before each game in order to get their ticket.  

[4th&Five 41606]

8 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

The sentiment is spot on, but no COVID safety protocols for AT&T stadium to protect patrons like New Orleans is employing (Fucking New Orleans) or Las Vegas.  The man will never, every put his money where his mouth is if it means sacrifice.

 

True.  He's talking about players getting vaxed too, which obviously helps his bottom line.

[Beau Vine 54471]

1 hour ago, DDD Dad said:

And yet, no masking or vaccine requirements have been announced for Cowboys Stadium events.

And the Cowboys' on-field personnel (players + coaches) are less than 100% vaxxed.

[DDD Dad 14362]

1 hour ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

Does anybody have any idea where the Ivermectin is good against Covid theory started?  I mean, are there some quack doctors that put this out there or are we at the point where the GRU could just have trolls put something on Facebook like you should go outside and get hit by a truck and it will knock the Covid out of you. and millions of Americans would follow and die?  

 

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

I asked this same question a few weeks ago. Apparently, this has been a thing for more months than I remember. My in-laws go to a holistic, weirdo doctor for cold laser therapy. The doc is a former anesthesiologist, who I now wonder if he was effectively booted from that discipline. The doc is a patient of my FIL, who is a dentist. Back before my in-laws were vaxxed in Feb, their cleaning lady tested positive after being in their house. Upon hearing that, my FIL apparently asked MIL to go get the Ivermectin the doc had given them. Granted, their no doubt getting the Ivermectin for humans, not the horse paste.

(As a semi-ironic sidebar, weirdo doctor got COVID, which developed into pneumonia. He is recovering but not quickly. Oh, and he also has a-fib now. Dude is 71.)

Oh, and I decided to toss out the hot potato tweet about the guy having to be hospitalized due to ingesting too much animal-grade Ivermectin. A good friend who went to Baylor and is as conservative as it gets, chimed in that he and his wife were given Ivermectin when they both got COVID and it helped them quite a bit. I didn't bother responding. 🤦‍♂️

 

1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

Several in vitro studies show it is effective at blocking RNA replication in several viruses including coronaviruses. Would need to use higher doses than currently FDA approved and there are no clinical trials yet although at least 2 are enrolling patients 

 

53 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I think there were some small studies last December that showed it killed covid in vitro. At some point after that a few more small studies were performed and I think a bigger fraudulent study in India, after which Bret and Heather Weinstein really started pimping it in May while saying that getting vaccinated was like playing Russian roulette. 

Ivermectin has been discussed in this very thread for over a year.  @triplehorn touted it for months along with HCQ while implying there was some sort of sinister game afoot to hype Remdesivir for profit.

@Anastasis and others did a pretty good job hunting down data and reporting that there was no clinical evidence of its effectiveness for treatment of COVID.  Months ago.

If you just run a search in this thread for "ivermectin" you'll see over 3 pages of posts, going back to July 2020.  That doesn't include the old DT thread, which I think was locked.  Pretty sure when I first heard of Ivermectin being mentioned for COVID my immediate reaction was, "isn't that used for flea collars?"  I think Anastasis educated me that prior to its broad veterinary use it was prescribed as an anti-malarial or some other human drug.

Edited August 24, 2021 by DDD Dad

[Jiggy-Z 3437]

What the hell is going on with Florida Covid reporting?

Their daily deaths are on an almost vertical decline.  I expect some wonkiness from the weekend reporting, but their curve just does not look right(Worldometer)

Their daily case and death  reporting was almost non existent over the weekend.  Are they getting out of the woods, are they too overburdened to report correctly, or is there some whitewashing going on?

 

Anybody hear anything on this?

[wildcat09 29435]

1 minute ago, Jiggy-Z said:

What the hell is going on with Florida Covid reporting?

Their daily deaths are on an almost vertical decline.  I expect some wonkiness from the weekend reporting, but their curve just does not look right(Worldometer)

Their daily case and death  reporting was almost non existent over the weekend.  Are they getting out of the woods, are they too overburdened to report correctly, or is there some whitewashing going on?

 

Anybody hear anything on this?

I thought they didn't report over the weekend?

[4th&Five 41606]

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

What a fucking world we live in.

At age 51 I have a hard time accepting being old.  I have an even harder time accepting this world of so many stupid people.  Stupid people who would harm themselves and everyone else by proxy. I am not calling myself a genius, or even all that intelligent.  But I know enough to listen to those who are experts in their fields.

Back in the 80s if you told me how many technological advances we would have at my age now I would have assumed that world was full of smart people and run by even smarter people.  Naïveté of youth I suppose.  The technology to fight this killer virus in such a relatively short time is amazing.  And yet the stupidity of the masses brings us down.  It’s depressing.

 

[Jiggy-Z 3437]

8 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I thought they didn't report over the weekend?

They don't. But one death reported yesterday. 

[C-Man 27286]

Rex from TA is still with us:

 

La Fours reached out
 

Edited August 24, 2021 by C-Man

[DigglerontheHoof 21261]

Coronavirus Rex

[brakeman 28463]

4 hours ago, brakeman said:

It’s official. Every member of my immediate family has had or is recovering from covid.

In the county where I grew up literary everybody has covid.

Can’t see a time in the future when I will get back down there.

 

 

https://covidactnow.org

 

 

 

Every member of my immediate family has had or is recovering from covid except for the three of us that live in my house.

 

[HenryJames 66192]

 

[tx 3 putt 77592]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

 

new found respect for jerry Jones !!!

[brakeman 28463]

 

[C-Man 27286]

44 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

new found respect for jerry Jones !!!

Except there is no vaccine or negative COVID test requirement to buy a ticket and go see a game in person unless I missed something.

[DDD Dad 14362]

2 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Except there is no vaccine or negative COVID test requirement to buy a ticket and go see a game in person unless I missed something.

You haven't.

[Ted Lange 16144]

30 minutes ago, brakeman said:

 

 

 

https://www.9news.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/colorado-fitness-coach-covid-19-vaccine/73-174c9d51-97ed-4693-b208-c4a2100d0666

 

"If Bill knew everything, the trauma, the pain, that I was going to have to go through every day for the last two months, I think he would have gotten vaccinated if he had known how much pain it was going to cause," she said. 

Edited August 24, 2021 by Ted Lange

[Brisketexan 105463]

1 minute ago, Ted Lange said:

 

 

https://www.9news.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/colorado-fitness-coach-covid-19-vaccine/73-174c9d51-97ed-4693-b208-c4a2100d0666

 

"If Bill knew everything, the trauma, the pain, that I was going to have to go through every day for the last two months, I think he would have gotten vaccinated if he had known how much pain it was going to cause," she said. 

Counterpoint: he surely owned some libs, so it was worth it.

[Post Oak 20298]

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

Rex from TA is still with us:

 

La Fours reached out
 

If he says he's "hanging in there" and "getting by" you can take it to the bank that he's struggling mightily and scared.

[Brisketexan 105463]

2 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

If he says he's "hanging in there" and "getting by" you can take it to the bank that he's struggling mightily and scared.

He just needs more horsepaste!  STAT!

 

[Hanrahan 1306]

8 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

If he says he's "hanging in there" and "getting by" you can take it to the bank that he's struggling mightily and scared.

Have a feeling dude is really regretting some of his life choices, one in particular.

[Bevo14 8382]

Just now, Hanrahan said:

Have a feeling dude is really regretting some of his life choices, one in particular.

That is the essence of FAAFO