CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Anastasis 23469]

2 minutes ago, Pods said:

I rock that with a paper surgical over it. 

 

Valve would seem to defeat the purpose no?  How is a valved N95 with a surgical mask over it better than a surgical mask alone, in terms of reducing viral spread if you are infected or have a breakthrough?

[Captainant 27653]

2 minutes ago, Pods said:

I rock that with a paper surgical over it. 

I complained about a bad fit with my gata mask a week ago, but since I've figured out how its supposed to fit on my face it's super comfortable, seals well, and has a replaceable N95 filter to boot. Solid $20 purchase 

[Willfully Horn 8006]

14 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

there is one guy who basically follows up each of their bullshit posts with legit links/facts, and calls them on their shit.

I fear that guy’s past.

[Anastasis 23469]

Here's the N95 I use, not sure it's any better or worse.

[ChickenSandwich 9832]

 

 

[Anastasis 23469]

1 minute ago, ChickenSandwich said:

 

 

 

We found where @triplehorn has been holed up!

[DaysOff 7947]

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Schools: Mitigation measures in the light of Delta

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Katelyn Jetelina

Aug 26[https://ci5][https://ci6][https://ci6]

We know that mitigation measures like masks, ventilation, and distancing worked very well in schools last year. Study after study after study after study after study showed this. But this was pre-Delta. Do the same mitigation measures still work in schools? This is what we know so far…
Transmission
In the beginning of the pandemic, we were most concerned about droplets of transmission. But we learned quickly (or not so quickly) that aerosol transmission is mainly driving this disease. In July 2020, 239 scientists wrote a letter to the World Health Organization indicating their concern about aerosol transmission. In April 2021, the WHO changed their guidance and, in May 2021, the CDC changed its guidance that recognized airborne spread as a key mode of infection.
The difference between droplets and aerosol are the size and, thus, the implications of that size. Droplets are large (50-100 micrometers) and so they are heavier. Droplets can travel up to 6 feet, but then they fall to the ground due to gravity. This is why the famous 6 foot rule was implemented. People spread droplets by coughing and sneezing.
Aerosols, on the other hand, are much tinier (Surface (i.e. fomite) transmission is just not as common, but it can happen. Mathematical models estimated that each contact with a contaminated surface has a 1 in 10,000 chance of infection. In a recent study with hamsters, we saw that surface transmission can result in virus in the nose. But, importantly, the virus does not land directly into the lungs like aerosols do. So the virus replicates less, usually leading to less disease severity.

[https://ci5]Leung, N.H.L. Transmissibility and transmission of respiratory viruses. Nat Rev Microbiol19, 528–545 (2021). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41579-021-00535-6

Delta is incredibly transmissible with a higher viral load. This changes how easy it enters our cells once it reaches us. It seems to becoming more aerosolized too. While washing hands is always a good idea and 3-6 foot distance helps with droplet transmission, we need effective measures to reduce aerosol transmission in schools.
Ventilation
This continues to be one of the best ways to curb transmission. An open window can do a lot to reduce transmission in the classroom from an infected student. The NYT did a great job visualizing the impact of a window in a classroom.

[https://ci3]

A study this week found that open windows in classrooms can have up to a 14.1 fold reduction in COVID19 transmission. This is highly dependent on the time of year (Summer, Spring, Winter), number of windows, and the frequency in which those windows are open. For example, an open window during the winter is much more impactful than an open window during the summer (14.1 fold decrease vs. 7.2 fold decrease). Also, just opening the window during recess can help a little but not as good as opening a window all day long.

[https://ci6]

A fan and clean air filter works great too. This can be accomplished using high-efficiency particulate air (HEPA) filtration systems. A Johns Hopkins study found that HEPA filters were responsible for a 65% drop in COVID-19 transmission. Another study found that one HEPA filter is as effective as two windows partly open all day during the winter (2.5-fold decrease in transmission). Two HEPA filters are even more effective (4-fold decrease in transmission).

[https://ci4]

Masks
Pre-Delta, we knew masks worked very well. Loose fitting masks, like double cloth masks, even still blocked 51% of particles. With Delta, though, we really need to start wearing better masks, especially those that are most vulnerable (i.e. unvaccinated). A Finland study found that Delta was transmitted among healthcare workers using surgical masks; it’s clear that N95’s work best in hospital settings where employees are constantly exposed to COVID-19.
A stimulation study that came out this week showed that, in classrooms, surgical masks reduce transmission 8-fold. Surgical masks have a great filter, but sometimes they are way too loose on kids. Fit and filter are very important with Delta. For great masks look for ASTM-certified surgical or tight-fitting cloth masks for kids. For fantastic masks, look for KN95 or KF94 made for kids. N95’s are not made for kids, so do not buy them for kids to wear; they don’t fit correctly. Dr. Eva Enns from the University of Minnesota School of Public Health put together an amazing list with specific kid mask brands here. Dr. Linsey Marr at Virigina Tech also made an amazing list here.
Outdoor transmission
There is no shortage of anecdotal evidence of outdoor transmission with Delta, especially in shoulder-to-shoulder activities like festivals. In Melbourne, two playgrounds and one skate park were exposure sites, which has fueled a stark debate about shutdowns in Australia. Importantly, these events seem to be largely crowded. Any time you’re close enough to breathe in air from someone else’s breath you have a chance of being infected. Being outdoors continues to be much less risky than indoors. Indoors can accumulate aerosols a whole lot more than outdoors. Think about it like smoking cigarettes. If someone is smoking cigarettes indoors, there is far more buildup over time than someone smoking outdoors.
Testing
With Delta, cases are going to happen in schools. Even if mitigation measures are in place. This virus is far too transmissible and contagious to not expect this. So, we need to identify cases proactively to stop the possibility of superspreader events. Schools need plans in place for testing, contact tracing, quarantining, and reporting. This includes supporting kids that are in quarantine through distanced learning. Your local health department will not have the bandwidth to do this, especially if you’re in a hotspot. There are great playbooks out there, though, to help guide testing strategies. Some states, like Texas, actually have frameworks. Rockefeller had a great playbook on this too.

[https://ci3]

Layered approach
The one thing that is incredibly clear is that we need a layered approach for Delta. Combined interventions (i.e., natural ventilation, masks, and HEPA filtration) are the most effective in schools (≥30-fold decrease in transmission). The more layers we have, the less chance virus gets through the Swiss cheese to your kid. This is an ever evolving landscape and we need to adapt and advocate accordingly.
Love, YLE

Next Monday night (August 31st at 830pm ET), I will be talking at a free event along side pediatricians Dr. Christina Johns and Dr. Eric Weinberg about Delta and schools. While we’re presenting, we have have an army of pediatricians answering audience questions in the chat; parents find this feature incredibly useful. I think last time the physicians answered more than 300 questions in real time. Sign up here if you’re interested in joining.

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[mdmost 43001]

6 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

 

 

Go ahead and ingest horse dewormer and give us the play by play of how it works out for you. 

[HenryJames 66041]

6 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

 

 

Let’s see what the linked article says:

 

[Pods 7552]

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

Valve would seem to defeat the purpose no?  How is a valved N95 with a surgical mask over it better than a surgical mask alone, in terms of reducing viral spread if you are infected or have a breakthrough?

The surgical are all too small to fully cover them  and wind up being pulled really tight against the valve. The majority of the air winds up being forced through the mask, rather than diverting out the sides, which is one of the big problems with most cloth and surgical masks. 

I'm sure it's not N95 level protection on the exhale, but it's pretty good. It's also a lot more comfortable, so I wear it consistently. Mileage may vary for smaller faces though. 

[Jiggy-Z 3432]

1 hour ago, NAVY said:

Is this a lot? It seems like a lot 
 

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253766203.html

New screwball reporting. Not sure why they can't do it everyday.  Some other states do the same. Go figure.

[hornian 5212]

3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Go ahead and ingest horse dewormer and give us the play by play of how it works out for you. 

Right. Even if it helps when you take a properly formulated and appropriate dose; eating a veterinary formulation with the dose for an animal that can weigh well over 1,000 lbs. seems... like a great idea! Go to your vet instead of going to the hospital if you don't want to get vaccinated. Also, try the whole "gelding" thing, it works great for horses too! I've never heard of a gelding with COVID. 

[Anastasis 23469]

10 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

You people need to subscribe to Your Local Epidemiologist's email updates. She's pretty fucking smart and a Texan to boot.



[https://ci6]

Schools: Mitigation measures in the light of Delta

[https://ci3]

Katelyn Jetelina

Aug 26[https://ci5][https://ci6][https://ci6]

We know that mitigation measures like masks, ventilation, and distancing worked very well in schools last year. Study after study after study after study after study showed this. But this was pre-Delta. Do the same mitigation measures still work in schools? This is what we know so far…
Transmission
In the beginning of the pandemic, we were most concerned about droplets of transmission. But we learned quickly (or not so quickly) that aerosol transmission is mainly driving this disease. In July 2020, 239 scientists wrote a letter to the World Health Organization indicating their concern about aerosol transmission. In April 2021, the WHO changed their guidance and, in May 2021, the CDC changed its guidance that recognized airborne spread as a key mode of infection.
The difference between droplets and aerosol are the size and, thus, the implications of that size. Droplets are large (50-100 micrometers) and so they are heavier. Droplets can travel up to 6 feet, but then they fall to the ground due to gravity. This is why the famous 6 foot rule was implemented. People spread droplets by coughing and sneezing.
Aerosols, on the other hand, are much tinier (Surface (i.e. fomite) transmission is just not as common, but it can happen. Mathematical models estimated that each contact with a contaminated surface has a 1 in 10,000 chance of infection. In a recent study with hamsters, we saw that surface transmission can result in virus in the nose. But, importantly, the virus does not land directly into the lungs like aerosols do. So the virus replicates less, usually leading to less disease severity.

[https://ci5]Leung, N.H.L. Transmissibility and transmission of respiratory viruses. Nat Rev Microbiol19, 528–545 (2021). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41579-021-00535-6

Delta is incredibly transmissible with a higher viral load. This changes how easy it enters our cells once it reaches us. It seems to becoming more aerosolized too. While washing hands is always a good idea and 3-6 foot distance helps with droplet transmission, we need effective measures to reduce aerosol transmission in schools.
Ventilation
This continues to be one of the best ways to curb transmission. An open window can do a lot to reduce transmission in the classroom from an infected student. The NYT did a great job visualizing the impact of a window in a classroom.

[https://ci3]

A study this week found that open windows in classrooms can have up to a 14.1 fold reduction in COVID19 transmission. This is highly dependent on the time of year (Summer, Spring, Winter), number of windows, and the frequency in which those windows are open. For example, an open window during the winter is much more impactful than an open window during the summer (14.1 fold decrease vs. 7.2 fold decrease). Also, just opening the window during recess can help a little but not as good as opening a window all day long.

[https://ci6]

A fan and clean air filter works great too. This can be accomplished using high-efficiency particulate air (HEPA) filtration systems. A Johns Hopkins study found that HEPA filters were responsible for a 65% drop in COVID-19 transmission. Another study found that one HEPA filter is as effective as two windows partly open all day during the winter (2.5-fold decrease in transmission). Two HEPA filters are even more effective (4-fold decrease in transmission).

[https://ci4]

Masks
Pre-Delta, we knew masks worked very well. Loose fitting masks, like double cloth masks, even still blocked 51% of particles. With Delta, though, we really need to start wearing better masks, especially those that are most vulnerable (i.e. unvaccinated). A Finland study found that Delta was transmitted among healthcare workers using surgical masks; it’s clear that N95’s work best in hospital settings where employees are constantly exposed to COVID-19.
A stimulation study that came out this week showed that, in classrooms, surgical masks reduce transmission 8-fold. Surgical masks have a great filter, but sometimes they are way too loose on kids. Fit and filter are very important with Delta. For great masks look for ASTM-certified surgical or tight-fitting cloth masks for kids. For fantastic masks, look for KN95 or KF94 made for kids. N95’s are not made for kids, so do not buy them for kids to wear; they don’t fit correctly. Dr. Eva Enns from the University of Minnesota School of Public Health put together an amazing list with specific kid mask brands here. Dr. Linsey Marr at Virigina Tech also made an amazing list here.
Outdoor transmission
There is no shortage of anecdotal evidence of outdoor transmission with Delta, especially in shoulder-to-shoulder activities like festivals. In Melbourne, two playgrounds and one skate park were exposure sites, which has fueled a stark debate about shutdowns in Australia. Importantly, these events seem to be largely crowded. Any time you’re close enough to breathe in air from someone else’s breath you have a chance of being infected. Being outdoors continues to be much less risky than indoors. Indoors can accumulate aerosols a whole lot more than outdoors. Think about it like smoking cigarettes. If someone is smoking cigarettes indoors, there is far more buildup over time than someone smoking outdoors.
Testing
With Delta, cases are going to happen in schools. Even if mitigation measures are in place. This virus is far too transmissible and contagious to not expect this. So, we need to identify cases proactively to stop the possibility of superspreader events. Schools need plans in place for testing, contact tracing, quarantining, and reporting. This includes supporting kids that are in quarantine through distanced learning. Your local health department will not have the bandwidth to do this, especially if you’re in a hotspot. There are great playbooks out there, though, to help guide testing strategies. Some states, like Texas, actually have frameworks. Rockefeller had a great playbook on this too.

[https://ci3]

Layered approach
The one thing that is incredibly clear is that we need a layered approach for Delta. Combined interventions (i.e., natural ventilation, masks, and HEPA filtration) are the most effective in schools (≥30-fold decrease in transmission). The more layers we have, the less chance virus gets through the Swiss cheese to your kid. This is an ever evolving landscape and we need to adapt and advocate accordingly.
Love, YLE

Next Monday night (August 31st at 830pm ET), I will be talking at a free event along side pediatricians Dr. Christina Johns and Dr. Eric Weinberg about Delta and schools. While we’re presenting, we have have an army of pediatricians answering audience questions in the chat; parents find this feature incredibly useful. I think last time the physicians answered more than 300 questions in real time. Sign up here if you’re interested in joining.

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Transmission

In the beginning of the pandemic, we were most concerned about droplets of transmission. But we learned quickly (or not so quickly) that aerosol transmission is mainly driving this disease. In July 2020, 239 scientists wrote a letter to the World Health Organization indicating their concern about aerosol transmission. In April 2021, the WHO changed their guidance and, in May 2021, the CDC changed its guidance that recognized airborne spread as a key mode of infection.

The difference between droplets and aerosol are the size and, thus, the implications of that size. Droplets are large (50-100 micrometers) and so they are heavier. Droplets can travel up to 6 feet, but then they fall to the ground due to gravity. This is why the famous 6 foot rule was implemented. People spread droplets by coughing and sneezing.

Aerosols, on the other hand, are much tinier (<5 micrometers) and lightweight, so they can become suspended in air and float. And you don’t need to sneeze or cough. These can be spread by just talking. Lab studies have shown that aerosols can stay in the air for up to 16 hours. So, a sick person doesn’t need to be in the room with you. They could be in the room before you and had left particles everywhere.

Surface (i.e. fomite) transmission is just not as common, but it can happen. Mathematical models estimated that each contact with a contaminated surface has a 1 in 10,000 chance of infection. In a recent study with hamsters, we saw that surface transmission can result in virus in the nose. But, importantly, the virus does not land directly into the lungs like aerosols do. So the virus replicates less, usually leading to less disease severity.

Leung, N.H.L. Transmissibility and transmission of respiratory viruses. Nat Rev Microbiol19, 528–545 (2021). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41579-021-00535-6

Delta is incredibly transmissible with a higher viral load. This changes how easy it enters our cells once it reaches us. It seems to becoming more aerosolized too. While washing hands is always a good idea and 3-6 foot distance helps with droplet transmission, we need effective measures to reduce aerosol transmission in schools.

 

Edited August 27, 2021 by Anastasis

[Brisketexan 105095]

fucking selfish bastard. what kind of shitty father would put his bullshit ideology over the needs of his family. he's going to leave his family with a shitton of medical bills and his kids fatherless. 
beyond fucking stupid.

Counterpoint: he owned the HELL outta tha libs, and can you really put a price on that?

[mdmost 43001]

2 minutes ago, hornian said:

Right. Even if it helps when you take a properly formulated and appropriate dose; eating a veterinary formulation with the dose for an animal that can weigh well over 1,000 lbs. seems... like a great idea! Go to your vet instead of going to the hospital if you don't want to get vaccinated. Also, try the whole "gelding" thing, it works great for horses too! I've never heard of a gelding with COVID. 

We really live in an f'ing world where people willing choose to forego a vaccine that was tested for multiple months and has been administered for almost a year and instead WILLINGLY choose to ingest HORSE DEWORMER to keep themselves from getting Covid. HORSE DEWORMER! 2020 broke this f'ing country's brain. 

[Celery Man 20934]

4 minutes ago, hornian said:

Right. Even if it helps when you take a properly formulated and appropriate dose; eating a veterinary formulation with the dose for an animal that can weigh well over 1,000 lbs. seems... like a great idea! Go to your vet instead of going to the hospital if you don't want to get vaccinated. Also, try the whole "gelding" thing, it works great for horses too! I've never heard of a gelding with COVID. 

I mean Abbott got it

[Anastasis 23469]

8 minutes ago, Pods said:

'm sure it's not N95 level protection on the exhale, but it's pretty good. It's also a lot more comfortable, so I wear it consistently. 

Makes sense.  I deal with the modest discomfort of the non-valved in relatively higher risk scenarios (all scenarios are in real terms low risk for the fully mrna vaccinated).  

[Anastasis 23469]

4 minutes ago, mdmost said:

We really live in an f'ing world where people willing choose to forego a vaccine that was tested for multiple months and has been administered for almost a year and instead WILLINGLY choose to ingest HORSE DEWORMER to keep themselves from getting Covid. HORSE DEWORMER! 2020 broke this f'ing country's brain. 

[Biff Tannen 45673]

5 minutes ago, mdmost said:

We really live in an f'ing world where people willing choose to forego a vaccine that was tested for multiple months and has been administered for almost a year and instead WILLINGLY choose to ingest HORSE DEWORMER to keep themselves from getting Covid. HORSE DEWORMER! 2020 broke this f'ing country's brain. 

It was really 2008, but we didn’t see it fully manifest until 2016 and since then has just been a consistent ramp up. Can’t wait to see what comes next.

[Beau Vine 54211]

2 hours ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

I'm just trying to get some discussion on should we be more clear on "what" we should be wearing.

Yes, we can tell:

[Anastasis 23469]

6 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

It was really 2008, but we didn’t see it fully manifest until 2016 and since then has just been a consistent ramp up. Can’t wait to see what comes next.

20-30 years earlier imo. 

[HenryJames 66041]

 

[Brisketexan 105095]

 

He misspelled “freedom freezers.”

[Anastasis 23469]

Waco ran out of morgue space on Sunday.

 

[mdmost 43001]

Just roll their old bones over to Mt. Carmel. 

[Pods 7552]

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Makes sense.  I deal with the modest discomfort of the non-valved in relatively higher risk scenarios (all scenarios are in real terms low risk for the fully mrna vaccinated).  

That's what I would do if I was exposed to higher risk scenarios, or patients, as well. The non-valved aren't that bad. 

 

 

[DDD Dad 14332]

21 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Waco ran out of morgue space on Sunday.

 

 

20 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Just roll their old bones over to Mt. Carmel. 

Nah they can just use the freezers at the Pappadeaux and In and Out. 

[jimmyjazz 45898]

24 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Waco ran out of morgue space on Sunday.

Bright side:  fewer rapes.

[brakeman 28359]

51 minutes ago, mdmost said:

We really live in an f'ing world where people willing choose to forego a vaccine that was tested for multiple months and has been administered for almost a year and instead WILLINGLY choose to ingest HORSE DEWORMER to keep themselves from getting Covid. HORSE DEWORMER! 2020 broke this f'ing country's brain. 

It probably just maybe was a already broken before 2020.

 

[Biff Tannen 45673]

6 minutes ago, brakeman said:

It probably just maybe was a already broken before 2020.

 

That was some weird shit. 

[brakeman 28359]

They got  Pappadeaux in waco, now? Maybe, I should go over to the holyshit thread.

[brakeman 28359]

it's XFL or uber for you, get your shot. I'm looking at you, Cole Beasley.

Edited August 27, 2021 by brakeman
i would like to go back to texas someday.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20395]

[brakeman 28359]

 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20395]

 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

 

Triple chin with a BMI north of 40 is going to tell you what’s healthy for yourself.

[Foosters 17850]

Can we get a mod to design a bot that just automatically posts the jaguarsguy.gif after every MNLonghorn post?

[DDD Dad 14332]

Triple chin with a BMI north of 40 is going to tell you what’s healthy for yourself.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.khou.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/pediatric-covid-19-death-houston/285-8fea2160-11a4-4bad-a51f-5b95cb624d5e

[MonkeyDoughnut 10232]

3 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

We all agree that monkey just doesn’t want to wear a mask right?

Guilty as charged.  I do however when out shopping and such. I don't find it a big deal to wear It, but I'm also not wearing it but a few minutes a day at most.  I don't at restaurants obviously because there is a magic shield there where everyone can take off there mask without worry apparently.

[lmao 178]

2 hours ago, mdmost said:

We really live in an f'ing world where people willing choose to forego a vaccine that was tested for multiple months and has been administered for almost a year and instead WILLINGLY choose to ingest HORSE DEWORMER to keep themselves from getting Covid. HORSE DEWORMER! 2020 broke this f'ing country's brain. 

That's a small % of the population. The unvaccinated in urban areas aren't taking horse dewormer or posting political hot takes on twitter. They're just agnostic about it. Similar to people who don't take the flu vaccine.

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

 

 

Idiocracy was a documentary from the future.

[JimmyJames 12271]

49 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Triple chin with a BMI north of 40 is going to tell you what’s healthy for yourself.

Needs more horse paste.

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

 

Nah they can just use the freezers at the Pappadeaux and In and Out. 

Can’t they just flush em down the brazos like they usually do? Not getting the problem here. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

5 hours ago, Bookman said:

Some days one just has to sit back, think about the Americans who don't believe in vaccinations yet are taking horse paste, and realize these are the same Americans who voted for a failed-businessman to become President of the United States. Yet these are the first to proclaim "American Exceptionalism."

Willful hatred against the others is a time tested American tradition long encouraged by the owners of this country. To get people to vote against their own interest and to turn on each other.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33868]

2 hours ago, mdmost said:

Just roll their old bones over to Mt. Carmel. 

Probably still warm, just need to stoke it

[Horn Dogg 3891]

I present you.....the anti-mask rider.

   

[henrygandorf 29189]

nsiap…

major factor here is price…of animal paste…they chose over a vaccine…that’s free. 

[C-Man 27214]

13 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

nsiap…

major factor here is price…of animal paste…they chose over a vaccine…that’s free. 

This can't get posted too many times. Unreal.

[Dbeasy 15047]

Now this story is hitting all the social media. Has this been discussed and/or debunked yet?

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/08/report-israel-vaccination-provides-far-less-protection-than-previous-covid-infection/

 

[Francisco 2.0 32389]

5 hours ago, Horn Dogg said:

I present you.....the anti-mask rider.

   

 

A fupa in its formative years.