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21 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

he may want to walk back some of his statements, but he can't.

 

 

I know the "Body For Life" dude went through it and barely lived.  And there are stories of some truly healthy folks getting fucked by this as well.  I'm no fat shamer, but I do believe in being honest about one's situation.  Look at that dude and see the fat hanging off his sides.  Big shirt doesn't cover the fact that he is (was?) a walking comorbidity.  And it seems the vast majority of these LeopardsAteMyFace HermCainAward types are all in that category.  Yet, somehow so sure they're not at risk.  Right until they die.  Edit:  Dude even lumps himself in with 'healthy people.'  Were there no mirrors in his home? 

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

To discuss the bolded sections: if I, or most anyone I know, was hospitalized for COVID and our educated and experienced medical care staff said "we recommend that you take 4 aspirin each morning, take 5,000 mg Vitamin C, and a daily infusion of Regeneron," we'd do that.  If they want to try ivermectin, under dr. supervision and in a clinical setting, because they say "there is some evidence it may help, and at this dosage, shouldn't be harmful," I'd follow that recommendation as well.

Here's the thing....on the "non-MAGA" side of things, none of us have ever WANTED cheap and easy therapeutics to fail.  If HCQ had turned out to be a cheap, easy, and effective therapy?  Hallelujah, praise the lord and pass the biscuits!  Ivermectin?  Same thing --  I hope the current actual clinical trials produce an outcome that shows that it is an at least partially effective therapeutic.  I don't think ANY therapy will be a magic bullet 100% cure, but if it can keep 10% of folks who would otherwise take up ICU beds out of the ICU, that would be a big win.  Every medical professional I know feels the same way.  There is no opposition to therapeutics by the rational segment of our population.

But there is a HUGE opposition to a REMARKABLY effective preventative measure -- something that is very effective at keeping you from being infected, and even MORE effective at keeping you -- if you ARE infected -- from heading to the ICU/dying (like 80-90% effective, or greater) -- VACCINES.

If we were to discuss "there are things that can help prevent the endpoint of ICU/death, and here are their rates of success in doing so," vaccines would be #1, and #2 (whatever therapy/treatment it might be) would be WAY behind them.  Yet we live in a world where morons champion #2, while being vehemently opposed to #1.  It's just so.  Fucking.  Stupid.

I can't believe this shit has to be explained to adults. Children get this stuff. None of us have ever hoped that there'd be no effective therapeutics, but when some fucking quacks and lunatics start talking about how ivermectin is a "miracle cure" and "100% effective" (both things that its most prominent supporters repeatedly touted!), it would be irresponsible for the rest of us to not push back against that nonsense. That isn't us politicizing anything, that's us trying to save people's lives. This isn't complicated.

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It’s amazing watching the entire knowledge base of medicine get turned on its head by this sequence of events.  I can’t imagine there are going to be many doctors left who want to be in rural areas after this, especially since it was already low paying before.  Rural America is proper fucked. Forever, maybe.

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10 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

nsiap…


major factor here is price…of animal paste…they chose over a vaccine…that’s free. 

I had no idea. Ninety dollars a pop to talk to a doctor for a few minutes to get a prescription for dewormer. These frauds are probably making $1k per hour. I'd only stop to sleep if I had that kind of racket going. Hold times are reported as being long.

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2 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

Looks like our boy Rex from Texags is back to posting again and has put the worst behind him.  Says he wishes he would've gotten the vaccine.

I wonder if this will cause him to look back on what motivated him to refuse the vaccine and reconsider...

Sorry it's obviously so ridiculous a possibility that I can't finish the joke.

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3 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

Looks like our boy Rex from Texags is back to posting again and has put the worst behind him.  Says he wishes he would've gotten the vaccine.

Oh my GOD!  COVID is worse than we thought!  It turns you into a LIBTARD!  DOUBLE YOUR HORSEPASTE INTAKE, GENTS, OR ELSE THIS COULD HAPPEN TO YOU!

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16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

To discuss the bolded sections: if I, or most anyone I know, was hospitalized for COVID and our educated and experienced medical care staff said "we recommend that you take 4 aspirin each morning, take 5,000 mg Vitamin C, and a daily infusion of Regeneron," we'd do that.  If they want to try ivermectin, under dr. supervision and in a clinical setting, because they say "there is some evidence it may help, and at this dosage, shouldn't be harmful," I'd follow that recommendation as well.

Here's the thing....on the "non-MAGA" side of things, none of us have ever WANTED cheap and easy therapeutics to fail.  If HCQ had turned out to be a cheap, easy, and effective therapy?  Hallelujah, praise the lord and pass the biscuits!  Ivermectin?  Same thing --  I hope the current actual clinical trials produce an outcome that shows that it is an at least partially effective therapeutic.  I don't think ANY therapy will be a magic bullet 100% cure, but if it can keep 10% of folks who would otherwise take up ICU beds out of the ICU, that would be a big win.  Every medical professional I know feels the same way.  There is no opposition to therapeutics by the rational segment of our population.

But there is a HUGE opposition to a REMARKABLY effective preventative measure -- something that is very effective at keeping you from being infected, and even MORE effective at keeping you -- if you ARE infected -- from heading to the ICU/dying (like 80-90% effective, or greater) -- VACCINES.

If we were to discuss "there are things that can help prevent the endpoint of ICU/death, and here are their rates of success in doing so," vaccines would be #1, and #2 (whatever therapy/treatment it might be) would be WAY behind them.  Yet we live in a world where morons champion #2, while being vehemently opposed to #1.  It's just so.  Fucking.  Stupid.

it all stems from the "us vs them" mentality that has become oh so popular the past several years, for some reason or another.

"the dems want your kids to wear masks."  "the dems want the schools closed."  "the dems want another lockdown."

i guess if you suck at policy, you see this as the only way to get elected.  

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11 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I had no idea. Ninety dollars a pop to talk to a doctor for a few minutes to get a prescription for dewormer. These frauds are probably making $1k per hour. I'd only stop to sleep if I had that kind of racket going. Hold times are reported as being long.

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I wonder what the profit margin is in purposely misleading people and 100% causing excess deaths? 

Before the vaccine, there was some "virus gonna virus" grey area to hide behind for online doctors and experts and the sort. Sure, you weren't helping anyone, but you couldn't be unequivocally proven to be further harming.

Now, it isn't debatable: if you're contributing to vaccine misinformation and conspiracies, you're directly killing people. Gotta think the margins are a little higher for those willing to play.

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5 minutes ago, LurkingHorn said:

In all seriousness, I’m glad Rex at TexAgs made it. Hopefully his message will reach people who otherwise wouldn’t have gotten the shot. 

I'm indifferent. We've been dealing with shit for over 1.5 years. If you're not vaccinated by now, if you still think this is all some sort of liberal agenda, then you're a certifiable fucking idiot and deserve what's coming to you. Their willful disregard of science and respect/care for others is the very reason we are still mired in this shit. They are selfish pricks. So if it takes the whole lot of them dying for the rest of us who are trying to do right for the safety of others to finally move past this shit, then so be it.

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DoD Contractors are starting to mandate vaccines to align with the pentagon policy. Going to be interesting to see how many principled stands crumble when facing the loss of that phat check.  I know in the Fort Hood area the difference in pay between contract work on post and the stuff off post is 50-66% easily. 

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So my wife, who has been 2X vaxxed (Moderna) since late April, has a coworker who to nobody's knowledge is unvaccinated.  (It is not mandated at their preschool.)  Last Saturday, they all attended a small private pool party, and . . . hang with me here, I'm sure this will be hard to imagine . . . said coworker popped positive with symptoms yesterday.

Now, my wife does not interact with this lady at all during the work week, so her only exposure was a few hours outdoors 6 days ago, but it's still alarming.  Best I can tell, it's unlikely this lady was very contagious at the time of the party, as that risk allegedly peaks 24-48 hours before symptoms (so Tue/Wed).  And again, my wife is vaxxed, so that helps.  And, she obsessively masks up in any indoor setting outside the home, so that helps. 

She took a test today and was negative, and will take another tomorrow, but Jesus Mary and Joseph, this thing is just about unavoidable.  I shudder to think how many covid+ people I've strolled by in the grocery store.

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3 hours ago, Anastasis said:

An adult drank an injectable ivermectin formulation intended for use in cattle in an attempt to prevent COVID-19 infection. This patient presented to a hospital with confusion, drowsiness,  visual hallucinations, tachypnea, and tremors.

What makes them think he wasn’t that way before the ivermectin 

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10 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

It's so just so fucking amazing.  You can't make up that sort of trolling.  

It truly is this level of fucking magically amazing, that I live in a timeline where that is actually said, and actually happened.....

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8 minutes ago, LurkingHorn said:

In all seriousness, I’m glad Rex at TexAgs made it. Hopefully his message will reach people who otherwise wouldn’t have gotten the shot. 

Yeah!  Except.....it won't.

Brisket's Rule #3 (rule 1 is "it always gets worse," rule 2 is "there is no bottom") -- the unreasonable will never listen to or accept reason.

There are people who choose horsepaste which.....even if it WORKS....has a very low percentage effectiveness of preventing ICU and death, over a vaccine that has an 80-90%+ effectiveness at preventing ICU and death.  People who opt for shitty treatment over super-effective one, based on internet fucking rumors and the mathematically insignificant chance of harmful side effects.  Again, these are people who would choose not to wear a seatbelt over wearing one because that one time a guy drowned because his seat belt trapped him in his car.

There is no reasoning with the unreasonable.

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2 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

I'm indifferent. We've been dealing with shit for over 1.5 years. If you're not vaccinated by now, if you still think this is all some sort of liberal agenda, then you're a certifiable fucking idiot and deserve what's coming to you. Their willful disregard of science and respect/care for others is the very reason we are still mired in this shit. They are selfish pricks. So if it takes the whole lot of them dying for the rest of us who are trying to do right for the safety of others to finally move past this shit, then so be it.

covid doesn't care about political affiliation.  but apparently the vaccine does.  please please please let the midterms and the 2024 election be decided by the exact number of idiot non-vaccinated trumpers that died with ivermectim in their systems.

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

So my wife, who has been 2X vaxxed (Moderna) since late April, has a coworker who to nobody's knowledge is unvaccinated.  (It is not mandated at their preschool.)  Last Saturday, they all attended a small private pool party, and . . . hang with me here, I'm sure this will be hard to imagine . . . said coworker popped positive with symptoms yesterday.

Now, my wife does not interact with this lady at all during the work week, so her only exposure was a few hours outdoors 6 days ago, but it's still alarming.  Best I can tell, it's unlikely this lady was very contagious at the time of the party, as that risk allegedly peaks 24-48 hours before symptoms (so Tue/Wed).  And again, my wife is vaxxed, so that helps.  And, she obsessively masks up in any indoor setting outside the home, so that helps. 

She took a test today and was negative, and will take another tomorrow, but Jesus Mary and Joseph, this thing is just about unavoidable.  I shudder to think how many covid+ people I've strolled by in the grocery store.

Curious about what a doc would say, but as a vaccinated person wouldnt regular low-level exposure to the virus (at outdoor events, the grocery store etc) strengthen my immune response and maintain my antibodies at a high level?

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4 hours ago, DDD Dad said:


Sharyl Atkisson of Sinclair Media. She seems reliable.

 

4 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


I have no idea who Sharyl Atkission is, but links on her "Censored"  page are to Mike Lindell, Ron Desantis, various Trump attorneys, Tom Cotton, Gateway Pundit etc...  She's also posted stories linking autism to vaccines i.e. she was an anti-vaxxer even before Covid. 

 

From Wikipedia. I thought I remembered reading this before. I also recall her better days as a reporter.

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Attkisson is a five-time Emmy Award winner, and a Radio Television Digital News Association (RTNDA) Edward R. Murrow Award recipient. She was formerly an investigative correspondent in the Washington bureau for CBS News and a substitute anchor for the CBS Evening News and then went to the Daily Signal, a conservative political news website that offers political commentary from a conservative perspective, and which is funded by the Heritage Foundation.[7][8]

Attkisson resigned from CBS News on March 10, 2014, after 21 years with the network. She later wrote the book Stonewalled, in which she alleged that CBS News failed to give sufficient coverage of Barack Obama controversies, such as the 2012 Benghazi attack.[9] Attkisson has received criticism for publishing stories suggesting a possible link between vaccines and autism,[10][11][12] a claim that has been rejected by the scientific community.[13]

 

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10 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

I'm indifferent. We've been dealing with shit for over 1.5 years. If you're not vaccinated by now, if you still think this is all some sort of liberal agenda, then you're a certifiable fucking idiot and deserve what's coming to you. Their willful disregard of science and respect/care for others is the very reason we are still mired in this shit. They are selfish pricks. So if it takes the whole lot of them dying for the rest of us who are trying to do right for the safety of others to finally move past this shit, then so be it.

I'm just hopeful he gets out of the hospital (one way or another, I don't care) to free up a bed for someone else, preferably someone who is vaccinated or suffering from a non-COVID ailment/injury.

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4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

So my wife, who has been 2X vaxxed (Moderna) since late April, has a coworker who to nobody's knowledge is unvaccinated.  (It is not mandated at their preschool.)  Last Saturday, they all attended a small private pool party, and . . . hang with me here, I'm sure this will be hard to imagine . . . said coworker popped positive with symptoms yesterday.

Now, my wife does not interact with this lady at all during the work week, so her only exposure was a few hours outdoors 6 days ago, but it's still alarming.  Best I can tell, it's unlikely this lady was very contagious at the time of the party, as that risk allegedly peaks 24-48 hours before symptoms (so Tue/Wed).  And again, my wife is vaxxed, so that helps.  And, she obsessively masks up in any indoor setting outside the home, so that helps. 

She took a test today and was negative, and will take another tomorrow, but Jesus Mary and Joseph, this thing is just about unavoidable.  I shudder to think how many covid+ people I've strolled by in the grocery store.

When my family joined team COVID breakthrough last month, it was unnerving. The same part of my lizard brain that told me I’d grow an extra arm when I got my shots in March told me that we’d all waste away on ventilators in July. The rational part of my brain told me that thanks to the vaccine, it would be mild and would pass shortly.

It did. We all felt run down for a few days and then we quickly got better. Take this seriously and protect yourself and others, but breakthroughs will happen. Try not to listen to your lizard brain if/when they do.

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24 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

I wonder what the profit margin is in purposely misleading people and 100% causing excess deaths? 

Before the vaccine, there was some "virus gonna virus" grey area to hide behind for online doctors and experts and the sort. Sure, you weren't helping anyone, but you couldn't be unequivocally proven to be further harming.

Now, it isn't debatable: if you're contributing to vaccine misinformation and conspiracies, you're directly killing people. Gotta think the margins are a little higher for those willing to play.

The first sentence of this could be in the Afghanistan thread. Much less overhead than a full conventional military occupation of another country plus you cut out the middleman (tax collector). Profit.

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8 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

covid doesn't care about political affiliation.  but apparently the vaccine does.  please please please let the midterms and the 2024 election be decided by the exact number of idiot non-vaccinated trumpers that died with ivermectim in their systems.

desantis won by 32k votes. more than that have died of covid since the election. my bet is most of those dead are of the political spectrum that voted for desantis.

i think there's a reason that many of the Rep leadership are pushing for their base to get vaccinated. they must think their base is disproportionately dying.

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I'm indifferent. We've been dealing with shit for over 1.5 years. If you're not vaccinated by now, if you still think this is all some sort of liberal agenda, then you're a certifiable fucking idiot and deserve what's coming to you. Their willful disregard of science and respect/care for others is the very reason we are still mired in this shit. They are selfish pricks. So if it takes the whole lot of them dying for the rest of us who are trying to do right for the safety of others to finally move past this shit, then so be it.

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18 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

I'm indifferent. We've been dealing with shit for over 1.5 years. If you're not vaccinated by now, if you still think this is all some sort of liberal agenda, then you're a certifiable fucking idiot and deserve what's coming to you. Their willful disregard of science and respect/care for others is the very reason we are still mired in this shit. They are selfish pricks. So if it takes the whole lot of them dying for the rest of us who are trying to do right for the safety of others to finally move past this shit, then so be it.

Same. He went on to note he would take the vaccine because he “was a 52 year old man that won’t get pregnant”, so he's still mired in misinformation. Reminds me of those nature videos where you see some stupid prey animal like an impala get saved from the jaws of a crocodile by a water Buffalo or something and then promptly continue to trot along the river bank, floating through existence like a jellyfish. 

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1 hour ago, Gap03 said:

Nice attempt to "both sides" this one, but in my experience, 99% of the folks letting politicians' input factor into their medical decisions are Trumpkins.  Might a Democrat have some concerns about a medical treatment endorsed by pieces of shit like DeSantis?  Sure.  If their doctor says its the best course of treatment, they're going to take it, though.  Trumpkins?  Not so much.


I’m glad you read my post as politically motivated. I’m sure that’s the lens you see everything in based on the language you use. I shared my recent experience because I see how these treatments are getting written about in media today and I can this becoming an issue. My opinions on vaccines is well documented so I did not feel the need to comment on that subject again . 

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6 minutes ago, Newy25 said:


I’m glad you read my post as politically motivated. I’m sure that’s the lens you see everything in based on the language you use. I shared my recent experience because I see how these treatments are getting written about in media today and I can this becoming an issue. My opinions on vaccines is well documented so I did not feel the need to comment on that subject again . 

I think gaps point is that you are validating these insane arguments and viewpoints who's only supporting evidence is "people are saying". There's no logical, medical, or scientific reason to refuse vaccination if you are medically eligible for it. Youre not directly supporting their opinions, but you are accepting it as reasonable and valid. 

If someone tries to tell me the sky is yellow, I'm not going to meet them in the middle and agree it could be green. The sky is blue. Vaccines work. Hesitancy is driven by disinformation. 

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