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8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I know I do this too much, so I won't bore y'all with the details, but using census and vaccination data, here's how it breaks out for the United States (V=vaxxed, UV=unvaxxed):

White:  99.5M V, 99.5M UV

Black:  17.7M V, 26.5M UV

Hispanic/Latino:  27.5M V, 33.6M UV

Asian:  13M V, 6.4M UV

 

So, to tie it up in a nice little summary:

White:  99.5M unvaxxed

Minorities:  66.5M unvaxxed

 

Don't believe the hype.

It is like a lot of Americans do not understand math and statistics.  

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32 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

I looked around, and apparently the new COVID buddy was waiting for the Novavax, so no, not vaccinated. COVID pneumonia is no joke, that's going to be a long recovery.

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Two MAGA people are COVID buddies in the same hospital, so that's going to be awkward.

 

22 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Again, with renewed vigor:  what the fucking fuck?

 

11 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I know I do this too much, so I won't bore y'all with the details, but using census and vaccination data, here's how it breaks out for the United States (V=vaxxed, UV=unvaxxed):

White:  99.5M V, 99.5M UV

Black:  17.7M V, 26.5M UV

Hispanic/Latino:  27.5M V, 33.6M UV

Asian:  13M V, 6.4M UV

 

So, to tie it up in a nice little summary:

White:  99.5M unvaxxed

Minorities:  66.5M unvaxxed

 

Don't believe the hype.

This sequence, all together, because it's important to see that we're not just dealing with a sociopathic psychosis.  We're seeing something that has to depend on plainly stated and easily disproven LIES.  Up is down, left is right, just flat out bullshit LIES.  Their worldview depends on them.

40% of America is fucking psychopathic sociopaths with zero tethering to reality.

I've said it before, I'll say it again.  No society can survive that.

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6 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

This is what infuriates the people who bleat about getting the vaccine being a personal choice.  Fuck you, asshole.  It ceases to be a personal choice when your action or inaction infringes on someone's ability to have life, liberty, or to pursue happiness.  These fucks are literally killing other people with their personal decisions.

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Experiments showed that this antibody, called S309, neutralizes all known SARS-CoV-2 strains – including newly emerged mutants that can now “escape” from previous antibody therapies – as well as the closely related original SARS-CoV virus.

https://scitechdaily.com/inescapable-covid-19-antibody-discovery-neutralizes-all-known-sars-cov-2-strains/

 

of course it's on EUA but who wants to bet it gets promoted by some corrupt asshole gov who's taken a big bribe campaign contribution

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1 hour ago, Willfully Horn said:

I think there likely is a percentage of such folk, yes.

Edited to expand the concern from menstrual cycle to reproductive organs. 

I really don’t want those people reproducing so covid gets em or the vax sterilizes them. Win-win

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15 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Looks like this made the CBS national news.

 

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On 8/27/2021 at 3:10 PM, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:



Dude, this is at least the third time this has been posted.

Seems like it needs to be posted more. Dude claims mask don't work and treats himself with a cocktail of vitamin c, zinc, aspirin and ivermectin, an anti-parasitic drug. Wife does wear a mask. 1 gets covid and is close to death the other doesn't get covid. So this moron not only probably killed himself, but probably infected others, and advocated for the removal of protections for children.

This story should be repeated non-stop 24/7

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21 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Looks like this made the CBS national news.

 

Next thing you'll tell me that having the best healthcare in the world doesn't mean a damn if you don't have access to it.

Only difference in this tragic case is that the selfish people denying his care were other patients instead of the shareholders profiteers of for-profit healthcare system

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46 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Gotdam, if you haven't read the Cole Beasley thread, get over there ASAP.  alphahorn is apparently the lovechild of Rocko and TtomTerrific

Thanks for the tip.  Lots of laughs in that one, thanks to Deej.   Sawbonz was gentle and owned him.  Laughs there as well.  Hornlover obliterated him.   Again, the humor was worth it.

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3 hours ago, Celery Man said:

"I can see this becoming an issue" - you're talking about the politicization of medical treatment for COVID-19. The context in which you are talking about it is of a doctor double checking that you guys aren't opposed to treatment with ivermectin due to it being politicized. The context of this story and how you present it is one in which the concern is that people on the left are resistant to an effective treatment because they dislike the people on the other side of the political aisle, who are proponents of this medicine.

  1. that's not really happening. as has been pointed out,
    1. people are criticizing DeSantis because he is grifting off of his constituency's enthusiasm for literally any treatment or preventative measure for COVID-19, effective or not, that is different than masks and vaccines (because libruls)
    2. surely not all but most people who aren't anti vaccine nutjobs would take medical direction from their physician even if it is the medicine that can also be found in horse paste
  2. even if it was happening which it is not, it would not be accurate or honest to assert that politicization of COVID-19 treatment is beginning to occur  as evidenced by the mainstream news and people on the internets are reporting on and making fun of the use of horse paste as a COVID-19 home remedy

the reason your brother got covid-19 is because of these fucking idiots, who are also responsible for resisting and politicizing every single step we have taken to minimize the spread and damage of the pandemic, at great cost, as a nation. As a group, they are responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead Americans. This is why we're mad. It's also why people have reacted to your "I had a concerning conversation with a doctor and I'm worried that media coverage of ivermectin has started to politicize the use of this very helpful medicine" story in the way that they have.


Well, I am concerned the well is being potentially poisoned on Ivermectrin if it does end up working. The context by which people are referring to it - and I’m not saying it isn’t without cause is that is some bizarre animal cream. Not the perfectly safe pill version being used. I shared a story from a doctor who specifically told me people with strong political beliefs are refusing the treatment. Is that because of politics? The fact that it does not have full FDA approval and still on trial and that personality tends to be more risk averse on this subject? 

That is revisionist history on Regeneron and media coverage. Just a week ago the media was accusing Desantis of promoting an unsafe and unproven drug because of a financial conflict of interest. Your concern about how his approaching this with this specific drug is certainly not the light it was being cast in just last week. He should be promoting the vaccine and mask use. That’s a completely fair criticism. But that wasn’t the narrative in the media coverage initially. 

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2 hours ago, Hanrahan said:

So our man Rex Racer seems to be on the mend but, SURPRISE!, another Texags poster is in the same hospital with Covid pneumonia.  Vaxx status undisclosed but I'm laying big bucks on negatory.

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i'll at least give him the minimum credit for this:

 

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better than our own local idiot crimsonlonghorn could muster after his week in this hospital in which he told me "he wasn't hurting anyone but himself and it was only his business."  perhaps he can inspire some of the morons on that site to do something smart for themselves.

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11 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

That is revisionist history on Regeneron and media coverage. Just a week ago the media was accusing Desantis of promoting an unsafe and unproven drug because of a financial conflict of interest. Your concern about how his approaching this with this specific drug is certainly not the light it was being cast in just last week. He should be promoting the vaccine and mask use. That’s a completely fair criticism. But that wasn’t the narrative in the media coverage initially. 

The framing I read from AP and local reporting was that desantis was putting policies in place that made COVID infection rates worse, while holding millions in stock in the company that holds the most effective and expensive treatment. Experimental or not, it's being widely sold and PROMOTED OVER THE FREE VACCINE by desantis. No focus on that it was experimental - aside from direct quotes from desantis talking about the NEW BREAKTHROUGH (!!)

But I don't recall reading anything like what you're describing, can you link me to a couple?

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MONTGOMERY, Ala. (WSFA) - Alabama State Health Officer Dr. Scott Harris choked up Friday at the reality of the state’s ongoing fight against the pandemic.

“I don’t know how much longer we’re going to be able to do this,” he said of sustaining efforts against the surging disease. He said it’s “very frustrating” and pointed to the fact that “so much of what we are seeing is preventable.”

https://www.wsfa.com/2021/08/27/i-dont-know-how-much-longer-we-can-do-this-says-emotional-alabama-state-health-officer/


Dr. Harris was a doctor in my city before becoming the State Health Officer.

Amazing person and a great physician.

He and his dad are both Vanderbilt undergrads and UAB trained infectious disease physicians.

Alabama is in HORRIBLE shape but I firmly believe if we didn’t have Dr. Harris and a female governor who’s a cancer survivor, things would be Mad Max apocalyptic here.
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18 minutes ago, Newy25 said:


That is revisionist history on Regeneron and media coverage. Just a week ago the media was accusing Desantis of promoting an unsafe and unproven drug because of a financial conflict of interest. Your concern about how his approaching this with this specific drug is certainly not the light it was being cast in just last week. He should be promoting the vaccine and mask use. That’s a completely fair criticism. But that wasn’t the narrative in the media coverage initially. 

like captainant, i did not ever see any media reports contextualizing things like that.  perhaps you could provide some exemplars that i probably missed.

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6 minutes ago, Newy25 said:


Well, I am concerned the well is being potentially poisoned on Ivermectrin if it does end up working. The context by which people are referring to it - and I’m not saying it isn’t without cause is that is some bizarre animal cream. Not the perfectly safe pill version being used. I shared a story from a doctor who specifically told me people with strong political beliefs are refusing the treatment. Is that because of politics? The fact that it does not have full FDA approval and still on trial and that personality tends to be more risk averse on this subject? 

That is revisionist history on Regeneron and media coverage. Just a week ago the media was accusing Desantis of promoting an unsafe and unproven drug because of a financial conflict of interest. Your concern about how his approaching this with this specific drug is certainly not the light it was being cast in just last week. He should be promoting the vaccine and mask use. That’s a completely fair criticism. But that wasn’t the narrative in the media coverage initially. 

I don't believe the second paragraph is quite so cut and dried. It wasn't THE media, it was the Associated Press who mentioned in the article regarding DeSantis opening various Regeneron sites about the donor link which was the lead (and title). To which  DeSantis' press secretary tweeted (later deleted) "Drag them" in reference to the reporter and the story.

Nowhere in the article does it say that Regeneron is unsafe and the article mentions its effectiveness when given promptly. Other media picked up the story, and I didn't follow it further other than to note that just about every right leaning media outlet sure did pick up on the story and all this week they have tabbed it as THE AP SMEAR PIECE and HIT JOB, quoting DeSantis response to the article. Of course they did. The article was factual and explained exactly what Regeneron is as well as what DeSantis and the donor connections were.

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2 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


Where is this thread? Which board? Link?

 

It was in football, got moved to CR.  I get the reasoning, but honestly the funniest posts in there were coming from folks who don't usually post in CR, so I kind of wish it stayed in football.  Anyway, the fun beings when alphahorn weighs in.

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2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

But it's a fucking hoax.

Goddamn, this makes me ragey.  And it got dusty in my office all of a sudden.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/27/us/children-covid-delta.html

 

 

 

 

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Most children with Covid-19 have only mild symptoms, and there is not enough evidence to conclude that Delta makes some of them sicker than other variants do, scientists say. Doctors and nurses at Children’s Hospital agreed with that assessment.

Theresa Sokol, Louisiana’s top epidemiologist, said that people younger than 18 had among the highest test positivity rates in the state and were responsible for a significant share of transmission, with many cases most likely undetected.

“So many days are filled with this puzzle of: We don’t have enough beds for this patient who wants to come, so how are we going to shuffle our children around to accommodate one more?” said Devon H. Relle, a pediatric nurse practitioner at Children’s Hospital New Orleans, where she worked the front desk of the 17-bed I.C.U. The hospital was also seeing an early, worrisome wave of respiratory syncytial virus, known as R.S.V., which can cause some of the same symptoms and was contributing to the overflow conditions.

The crush of Covid-19 at Children’s Hospital grew so intense this month that the state called in a federal “surge team” of emergency responders from the Department of Health and Human Services’s National Disaster Medical System. The group of about 14 included a physician, a nurse practitioner, nurses, paramedics, a respiratory therapist and a pharmacist.

The team was the first assigned to a children’s hospital during the pandemic.

“Covid-19 right now down here is so endemic that you don’t have to have a specific exposure, because it’s just out there,” said Anne Barylick, a nurse practitioner on the surge team who handled patient intake in the emergency department and Covid-19 units. “Statistically, you’re going to run into it.”

Dr. Mark W. Kline, the hospital’s physician in chief, said that its overcrowded units threatened care for children across the region. It is one of the few advanced children’s hospitals in Louisiana and bordering states, he said, and there are few other options for specialized pediatric care.

Ms. Barylick, who works at a community health center in Rhode Island, was also deployed to New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. But this deployment was fundamentally different, she said. Instead of helping with a field hospital or pop-up clinic under a tent after a natural disaster, she and her colleagues were woven into the hospital’s normal operations. They rotated with members of the regular nursing staff to triage young patients and greeted them in the emergency room to assess whether they might have Covid-19.

The need here was clear.

“I have never seen our faculty look so tired or sad,” said Dr. Adele K. Evans, who leads the hospital’s tracheostomy team. About 60 members of the medical staff were in quarantine last week. She called it the most difficult moment in the hospital’s history.

It was hard to predict which of the hospital’s Covid-19 patients would recover, Ms. Barylick said. To her relief, she had seen mainly good outcomes.

“I don’t want any kids to get this, because I can’t guarantee that it’s not going to be your kid that's going to have a problem,” she said. “But overall, statistically, most of them are doing fairly well.”

But the sickest Covid-19 patients in the hospital were as severely ill as adults, nurses said, struggling to get enough oxygen. While some children were suffering more because of underlying health problems, other severe cases at the hospital had little explanation.

“You can’t show them, really, to be honest, that this is kind of uncharted territory,” Mr. Melancon said of the anguished conversations he has with parents of children sick with Covid-19. “You’ve got to project some confidence.”

Members of the surge team and the hospital staff said in interviews last week that Covid-19 had changed how providers cared for young patients, forcing them to “cluster” care by entering rooms less frequently but with more staff. That, along with limits on visitors, meant children were sometimes alone, said Angela Seput, the director of an acute care unit. And with highly infectious patients nearby, parents could no longer approach the nursing station as easily and ask for help, she said.

Medical staff throughout the hospital said the causes of illness in children were often simple: parents, family members and friends who were unvaccinated and not wearing masks.

“I’ve had to kind of make peace with that people are not doing what they’re supposed to. The kids are suffering,” Mr. Melancon said. “Not that I accept it, but if I get hung up in the anger of it, I would walk around confronting people in Walmart, here, everywhere.”

“I can’t tell them, ‘Why didn’t you isolate this kid?’” Mr. Melancon continued. “So we just tell them, ‘Your kid has Covid. It’s really hard on the lungs. Your child’s very sick. We’ll do everything we can to get him better.’”

Of the roughly 70 children admitted to the hospital with Covid-19 this month, about half were 12 or older — and thus eligible for vaccination — but only one was fully vaccinated, said Dr. Kline, the physician in chief.

The virus had wreaked havoc particularly on patients with special needs and pre-existing conditions, including Calvin Bethley’s son, who has asthma and scoliosis. He was just beginning to eat again after a long bout with Covid-19 and related pneumonia.

Two doors away, Quintetta Edwards watched over her 17-year-old son, who has Down syndrome and was healing from his own lengthy battle with the virus. During his stay, staff members sometimes had to restrain him as he writhed against the tubes connected to him. Ms. Edwards said she felt a sense of profound guilt when her son told the nursing staff that his illness was his own fault.

In the I.C.U. last week, Raquel Diaz, who has worked as a janitor there for over a decade, said the surge of Covid-19 patients had left her demoralized and worried about her own safety, even after being vaccinated and battling the illness last year.

Seeing children in the rooms that she cleans suffer, she said, was “overwhelming.”

Behind her, beeping screens monitoring the low blood oxygen levels and alarmingly high heart rates of the children told the story.

Nearby, medical teams were watching over an intubated toddler. The patient eventually needed a rare treatment known as high-frequency oscillatory ventilation, which involves gentle vibrations that move air around in the lungs. By Thursday, with the odds of survival fading, a small crown was placed on the child’s head.

Down the hall, there was better news: Junior’s condition was improving.

His path to intubation had been swift. His sister, 15 months old, came down with what seemed to be a mild cold. Before long, Junior’s day care reported that he was gagging when drinking from a bottle. The family’s pediatrician diagnosed him with R.S.V. and prescribed albuterol, an asthma medication that had little effect on him.

A day later, Ms. Perrilloux, who along with her husband is fully vaccinated, drove him to the hospital. “As soon as I brought him in, they noticed right off the bat, something was off,” she said. He tested positive for Covid-19 and struggled to breathe even on a high-flow oxygen machine. He was intubated the next day.

Ms. Perrilloux began working during the long days in the room, to keep herself from shaking.

“You’re sitting there, thinking, ‘What could I have done differently?’” she said.

Last week, Ms. Perrilloux slept and ate in her son’s room. She held daily prayer sessions with her pastor and family. At bedtime, she smoothed Junior’s curly brown hair gently to avoid interfering with the machinery that was keeping him alive. She positioned her chair to observe the monitors tracking his vital signs, wrapping herself in hospital blankets.

“With the six sisters that he has at home, he has no choice but to be strong,” she said.

Ms. Perrilloux received the news shortly after 8 a.m. on Friday: The hospital was ready to try extubating Junior and putting him on oxygen. Around 10:30 a.m., Ms. Perrilloux clasped her hands and prayed. As the I.C.U. team delicately removed Junior’s breathing tube, there were quiet cheers.

“It’s OK. It’s OK,” Ms. Perrilloux told her baby softly.

Junior left the I.C.U. on Tuesday but remained in the hospital on high-flow oxygen, still with occasional moments of irregular breathing. Ms. Perrilloux has taken to playing Etta James for him in his new room.

“It soothes him,” she said, “and he goes to sleep.”

 

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Good job GRUHorn!  Or muy rio or whatever the fuck your name is at the moment. You must be so proud.

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1 hour ago, sidis said:

 

i'll at least give him the minimum credit for this:

 

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better than our own local idiot crimsonlonghorn could muster after his week in this hospital in which he told me "he wasn't hurting anyone but himself and it was only his business."  perhaps he can inspire some of the morons on that site to do something smart for themselves.

Oh shit.  Sorry I missed these posts.  

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1 hour ago, Newy25 said:


Well, I am concerned the well is being potentially poisoned on Ivermectrin if it does end up working.

The well is being poisoned by the same profiteers that politicized masks, vaccines and promoted HCQ well after it was debunked as an effective Covid cure. 

Ivermectin has been thoroughly discussed on here over the last 18 months. At one point, many of us were optimistic that it might help Covid, but the bulk of the evidence says it does not.

It is also not being suppressed. An ivermectin clinical trial is currently being conducted to determine if it is safe and effective in different dosages. If the trial shows it works, doctors will prescribe it at that dosage. That's how science and medicine work and why it's called "Evidence Based Medicine". 

This trial likely would have started and concluded sooner if the same dipshits screaming about ivermectin had shut the fuck up about HCQ. An ENORMOUS amount of medical capital and human trial volunteers were wasted and the same dipshits now screaming about ivermectin are responsible. 

Without all the time, money and human volunteers these fuckers wasted, we could have also gotten further on drugs with actual potential, such as fluvoxamine. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

SIAP.  You must watch this.
 

 

I don't know who this is or how reliable he is, but if he is right, and unvaccinated people are in the system as vaccinated, we really don't know what percentage of the population is vaccinated.  Everyone involved in such a scam should be shot and their bodies hung from streetlights as examples.

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10 minutes ago, brakeman said:

wah? hunting season is coming. 

gonna have to covid test this here doe before dinner.

Matches the reports of antibodies they were finding. 

There are a fair number of animal reservoirs for covid and it's pretty wide spread across the mammalian family tree. Primates, weasels, dogs, cats and deer is a pretty good smattering.

It's likely a safe assumption that at least some other mammals can serve as a reservoir as well. 

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Got my third shot today. I got an email from ARC a couple days ago that had a link for scheduling your third dose as long as you are at least 6 months out from the second dose. No times worked for me today because of work and the next one was Monday but mostly locations like Hutto or Georgetown. 
 

So I decided to go to the HEB right by work after I got off. I told the lady about ARC scheduling and she said they’re only giving immunocompromised their third shots right now. I asked how they verify it and she said they don’t and we just have to sign the regular paperwork. So I said ok I’ll do that. I don’t think she was expecting me to say that. She then tried to make me feel guilty saying I was taking one away from someone else. I just said, ok thanks. 
 

tripled vaxxed bitches!

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3 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Got my third shot today. I got an email from ARC a couple days ago that had a link for scheduling your third dose as long as you are at least 6 months out from the second dose. No times worked for me today because of work and the next one was Monday but mostly locations like Hutto or Georgetown. 
 

So I decided to go to the HEB right by work after I got off. I told the lady about ARC scheduling and she said they’re only giving immunocompromised their third shots right now. I asked how they verify it and she said they don’t and we just have to sign the regular paperwork. So I said ok I’ll do that. I don’t think she was expecting me to say that. She then tried to make me feel guilty saying I was taking one away from someone else. I just said, ok thanks. 
 

tripled vaxxed bitches!

Boosting tomorrow. No ragrets. 

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My pops got his booster today. 75 yo and immunocompromised because he is a kidney transplant patient. Gonna wait for the rest of my family to get theirs then I’m up next.  Is there a reason I should wait 6 months? (Received my second dose in early May) I don’t really see a reason to wait until November if I can help it. 

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1 minute ago, hookemATL said:

My pops got his booster today. 75 yo and immunocompromised because he is a kidney transplant patient. Gonna wait for the rest of my family to get theirs then I’m up next.  Is there a reason I should wait 6 months? (Received my second dose in early May) I don’t really see a reason to wait until November if I can help it. 

5-6 months is when the abs that do the rapid response shit start to taper off. 

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5 hours ago, sidis said:

like captainant, i did not ever see any media reports contextualizing things like that.  perhaps you could provide some exemplars that i probably missed.


Here was the media narrative last week: 

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-health-coronavirus-pandemic-4d0d18b24e0dd41de2424e19b3ed994f
 

The implication of the article is Desantis is pushing a treatment for financial purposes. Not for medical reasons. Fauci today announced this is an effective treatment. 
 

And before the two separate large scale trials on Ivermectin are complete, here is the Google news clip on the drug. It’s already being described as a false treatment despite the ongoing trial. Now, it’s possible the findings are it’s not effective. But this is the media coverage BEFORE that has been scientifically determined. It’s already been designated as a false treatment. It’s obviously reckless to self medicate and certainly a terrible idea to avoid the vaccine. That being said, the media should not drive a narrative against a potential treatment for political reasons. 

 

 

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