CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[UT_OB1 2227]

11 hours ago, crash_davis said:

Ranting about Covid vaccine not working while in the hospital for Covid. Then he owns the libs by dying of Covid. 

are  you sure this is real?  I mean so you know this person on FB and that is why the name is blocked off, or was this something you saw posted on the another board?

[Pods 7594]

9 minutes ago, brakeman said:

 

SEC, it just infects...more. 

[Pods 7594]

6 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

And before the two separate large scale trials on Ivermectin are complete, here is the Google news clip on the drug. It’s already being described as a false treatment despite the ongoing trial. Now, it’s possible the findings are it’s not effective. But this is the media coverage BEFORE that has been scientifically determined. It’s already been designated as a false treatment. It’s obviously reckless to self medicate and certainly a terrible idea to avoid the vaccine. That being said, the media should not drive a narrative against a potential treatment for political reasons. 

JFC, this isn't difficult unless you are intentionally trying to misunderstand it. The current evidence says ivermectin is an ineffective treatment for Covid, but a great way to get rid of skin and intestinal parasites. 

 

There is no evidence to show that it works on Covid, so it is currently a false treatment and such claims about it are pseudoscience. That may change when the current clinical trials are finished, but that is the future, not the present.

In the meantime, the fraudulent profiteers promoting ivermectin are making money hand over fist, while victims of these charlatans are chugging sheep dip, or slamming peanut butter and horse paste sandwiches, then clogging up our poison controls and ICUs. 

 

[jimmyjazz 46470]

2 hours ago, Scheiss Meister said:

I don't know who this is or how reliable he is, but if he is right, and unvaccinated people are in the system as vaccinated, we really don't know what percentage of the population is vaccinated.  Everyone involved in such a scam should be shot and their bodies hung from streetlights as examples.

Well, we should have some understanding from the supply side.  Pharmacies should be accounting for doses received, delivered, and disposed of.  It's a number.

[Beau Vine 54833]

https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/uga-professor-resigns-mid-class-after-student-refuses-to-wear-mask/article_598ba244-077b-11ec-ba9b-cb3534ab07cc.html?fbclid=IwAR12SMPuPMNS6HoFj8Qu-MId03EDFRjDgJGbb4eWANVTxJrV3ZGJG4PYDPg

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A University of Georgia retiree-rehire professor resigned on Tuesday after one of his students refused to properly wear a mask in an upper division psychology seminar class held at the psychology building.

During Irwin Bernstein’s second class of the semester, the student, who was not present on the first day of class, arrived at the 25-person class unmasked and was asked by Bernstein to retrieve one from the advising office. The student was given a spare disposable mask from a peer but did not wear it over her nose.

Bernstein asked the student to pull her mask up to wear it correctly, but she said she “couldn’t breathe” and “had a really hard time breathing” with the cloth over her mouth and nose.

Written on the board at the front of the classroom was, “No mask, no class,” according to fourth-year psychology major Hannah Huff.

The 88-year-old psychology professor explained to the student that he could die from COVID-19 due to underlying health conditions such as Type 2 diabetes, hypertension and age-related problems, Bernstein said in an email to The Red & Black.

Only about 15 minutes into the Tuesday lecture, which consisted of Bernstein taking the student attendance, he asked the student to pull her mask up again, but this time, the student did not respond.

Bernstein, who was already informed that two of his absent students tested positive for COVID-19, then announced his resignation on the spot and left the class immediately.

“At that point I said that whereas I had risked my life to defend my country while in the Air Force, I was not willing to risk my life to teach a class with an unmasked student during this Pandemic,” Bernstein said in an email to The Red & Black. “I then resigned my retiree-rehire position.”

Huff said she sat at the front of the class on Tuesday in shock, anger and silence for a few minutes, like the rest of her peers, as she tried to comprehend what happened.

“Professor Bernstein said, ‘That's it. I’m retired,’ and we watched him pack all of his papers into his bag and walk out of the classroom,” Huff said.

“Resignation was an all or none decision ... I felt some relief as I had been getting more concerned as the COVID-19 pandemic unfolded in recent weeks,” Bernstein said.

Some students began logging onto Athena to find last-minute seats in other seminars. Others stared at the student and asked, “You know we need this class to graduate, right?” In response, the student said, “Well, this is a blessing in disguise,” according to Huff.

Huff, who is expected to graduate in December, said she has now been moved to another upper division psychology seminar at 8 a.m., opposed to the original 9:30 a.m. class time.

“The damage is done. Obviously she has her values, and they’re clearly not going to change even when someone asked you to do something that will make them feel comfortable,” Huff said. “Bernstein is there for you [the student]. Like, he came out of retirement to do something for us, but you just can’t take it out of the kindness of your heart to put a piece of fabric on properly.”

The seminar, primarily filled with upperclassmen, is a requirement to graduate for all psychology majors. All students affected by the resignation of the instructor were moved to a new section of their courses, according to UGA spokesperson Greg Trevor.

Immediately after the class abruptly ended, Huff called her mother in panic worried that she wouldn’t be able to graduate.

“This is not what I signed up for. This was not my original plan for my final semester here. It’s heartbreaking. It’s surreal,” Huff said. “I kept thinking to myself, ‘There’s no way this is happening.’ There was definitely hidden hostility in that room, and I do feel a little bit of anger toward this girl, but mainly agitation.”

Bernstein began teaching part-time at UGA in 1968 and became a full-time faculty member in 1971 while he continued research at Emory University’s Yerkes Primate Center until 1993.

Although he retired from UGA in 2011, he still taught as a part time retiree-rehire for many years and was asked by his former psychology department to return this year to teach two courses this semester. Now, Bernstein will not teach either.

On Aug. 18, the first day of in-person classes, Bernstein told his students that he would teach under a “no mask, no class” policy.

Unmasked students who arrived on the first day of the seminar were directed by Bernstein to retrieve one from the front office and the Advising Office. Every student was masked during the remainder of the class time, Bernstein said in his email to The Red & Black.

Bernstein wrote in an email to The Red & Black that the head of the psychology department said he could not enforce a mask policy upon his students. UGA follows the policies of the University System of Georgia, which only encourages masks inside campus facilities and does not allow its institutions to enact mask or vaccine mandates.

The now-resigned professor said USG is in compliance with the policies of the state of Georgia which “forbids us from requiring masks.”

“I am sorry that the pandemic has caused so much dissension. I personally do not agree that stimulating the economy is more important than people’s lives and am disappointed that some people feel that it is,” Bernstein said.

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

The places faring the best here are the Black Belt counties. Rural counties where a large concentration of Black Alabamians.

Could be a function of a less dense population or the public health folks there have done good work.

I’ll have to look up those county vaccination rates at work next week.

[Beau Vine 54833]

[C-Man 27346]

9 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

HPISD has an emergency school board meeting tomorrow. We are expecting them to go back to a mask mandate (it's about fucking time) and it will be a shit-show. I plan to pot up the livestream of the hearing tomorrow on the outdoor speakers, open a few cold beers and sit in the pool and watch/listen to the rich pricks' heads assplode!

 

 

[C-Man 27346]

2 hours ago, brakeman said:

 

 

 

Fuck yes! Figured this was coming at some point. Glad to see it. You can thank your friendly neighborhood insurance brokers! LOFL

[C-Man 27346]

2 hours ago, SaucyJack said:

Shit he won this raffle too!

 

[Patrick Bateman 3942]

7 hours ago, Newy25 said:

Just a week ago the media was accusing Desantis of promoting an unsafe and unproven drug because of a financial conflict of interest. Your concern about how his approaching this with this specific drug is certainly not the light it was being cast in just last week. He should be promoting the vaccine and mask use. That’s a completely fair criticism. But that wasn’t the narrative in the media coverage initially. 

 

1 hour ago, Newy25 said:

Here was the media narrative last week: 

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-health-coronavirus-pandemic-4d0d18b24e0dd41de2424e19b3ed994f
 

The implication of the article is Desantis is pushing a treatment for financial purposes. Not for medical reasons. Fauci today announced this is an effective treatment. 

These posts aren't aligned.  This AP article which you use to support your initial allegation that "the media was accusing Desantis of promoting and unsafe and proven drug" isn't supported here.  The article is pointing out the conflict of interest in Desantis' motivations considering how reckless he's been over COVID safety measures and vaccine protocols, but says nothing of Rengeneron being unsafe or unproven.  Rengeneron can be an effective treatment..... but a wholly expensive one when such an obvious alternative exists.  

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And while DeSantis has had a very public war of words with Democratic President Joe Biden about requiring masks in schools and other virus precautions, they both encourage monoclonal antibody treatments. A Regeneron treatment costs more than $1,000, while a vaccine costs about $25.

Again, prevention should probably have been the primary and initial goal, but Desantis has so wholly fucked this chicken that shit, might as well profit on his failure.

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“We definitely need treatments like monoclonal antibodies that can prevent mild disease from progressing to severe disease. Ultimately, it’s still best to prevent someone from contracting COVID-19 in the first place,” said Dr. Leana Wen, public health professor at George Washington University and former Baltimore Health Commissioner. “Monoclonal antibodies are not prevention.”

 

[956 Worldwide 34908]

Well, a tempest in a teapot of my medium sized RGV town. After a spike in COVID following the first week of school, the board rolled out a mask requirement.

Of course, a subset of parents (and not parents) flipped out. From what I can tell, in this approximately 90 percent Mexican-American district it’s gringos making about 90 percent of the noise on this. 

Many are upset because the board had a closed session and not an open one with a chance to comment. Because as we see on YouTube, those are productive. 

White people, try not to be crazy. 

Edited August 28, 2021 by 956 Worldwide

[brakeman 28509]

6 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/uga-professor-resigns-mid-class-after-student-refuses-to-wear-mask/article_598ba244-077b-11ec-ba9b-cb3534ab07cc.html?fbclid=IwAR12SMPuPMNS6HoFj8Qu-MId03EDFRjDgJGbb4eWANVTxJrV3ZGJG4PYDPg

 

“I am sorry that the pandemic has caused so much dissension. I personally do not agree that stimulating the economy is more important than people’s lives and am disappointed that some people feel that it is,” Bernstein said.

Bravo! Dr. Bernstein.

“No mask, no class”

 

 

[DigglerontheHoof 21273]

6 hours ago, C-Man said:

Fuck yes! Figured this was coming at some point. Glad to see it. You can thank your friendly neighborhood insurance brokers! LOFL

Yep.  Our company started sending out emails requesting everyone who is vaccinated to send pics of their cards, followed up by emails stating no one will be allowed in any offices w/out being vaccinated.  Now it's moved on to an end of year mandate.  

[DDD Dad 14369]

HPISD has an emergency school board meeting tomorrow. We are expecting them to go back to a mask mandate (it's about fucking time) and it will be a shit-show. I plan to pot up the livestream of the hearing tomorrow on the outdoor speakers, open a few cold beers and sit in the pool and watch/listen to the rich pricks' heads assplode!
 
 

Do you think Nandor will be there?

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13596]

5 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

 

These posts aren't aligned.  This AP article which you use to support your initial allegation that "the media was accusing Desantis of promoting and unsafe and proven drug" isn't supported here.  The article is pointing out the conflict of interest in Desantis' motivations considering how reckless he's been over COVID safety measures and vaccine protocols, but says nothing of Rengeneron being unsafe or unproven.  Rengeneron can be an effective treatment..... but a wholly expensive one when such an obvious alternative exists.  

Again, prevention should probably have been the primary and initial goal, but Desantis has so wholly fucked this chicken that shit, might as well profit on his failure.

 

Sabotaging the ounce of prevention end to profit on the pound of cure end

[brakeman 28509]

 

[GopherRock 1772]

FAAFO, Minnesota edition. 

 

[BrazilHorn 6651]

If you want to peruse a thread full of FAAFO with all of the prior FB/Insta posts I present to you:

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

53 minutes ago, GopherRock said:

FAAFO, Minnesota edition. 

 

 

I really feel that  schools for ages 11 and under should have gone remote (or at least had a remote option) until the approval for that age range to get vaccinated comes through.   Given the time frame for things (getting all the kids who want it a shot, the two weeks for it take effect, then on to second dose and the next two weeks) I guess I would think the whole fall semester should have had that option.     Maybe that has happened in some places across the country, I don't know.   I just think we're going to be able to pull up lots of stories about schools and infections from any part of the nation very soon.  I should say "more" stories, since many are already coming out.

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

A sobering 10 minutes.   Happening all over the USA.  

 

 

[Beantown Express 2.0 6568]

1 hour ago, DDD Dad said:

Do you think Nandor will be there?

“Greetings mortals”

[Pig Bellmont 8746]

2 hours ago, brakeman said:

“I am sorry that the pandemic has caused so much dissension. I personally do not agree that stimulating the economy is more important than people’s lives and am disappointed that some people feel that it is,” Bernstein said.

Bravo! Dr. Bernstein.

“No mask, no class”

 

 

I definitely support masking but this is a false choice. It’s not economy vs safety, you can have a stronger economy when the virus is controlled 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13539]

12 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

On a positive note:  My friend the EMT from Atlanta went outside and walked to her mailbox for the first time since Memorial Day.  She didn't have the option of getting vaccinated when she caught it last Sept through making runs.  She has been in and out the hospital 6 times since then.   But today was a good day, and I hope to hell she doesn't catch another bronchial episode, because I doubt she'd have a bed available.  

There wasn't any disability check either, though she's been eligible since June 1.  And of course now she can be evicted.  But we've been keeping her rent and car payment current, so there's that.  Just so fucking irritating to watch these fuckers go on about their freedoms and not have any awareness what it is costing everyone else.  And on top of that, the idea that some fucker can get a PPP loan and buy a Lambo long before she can get her much needed disability check.

And before some dick says bootstraps, she was working double shifts in Apr/May that wore her down and made her susceptible to this latest round.   

Sorry, I got good news, but needed to vent.   Still a long row to hoe on this one, but much better than 2 months ago.  

Are there other healthcare jobs that she can work that do not require her to work a job that I assume is physically taxing? I know many hospitals  are begging people to work for them.

[Welch 635]

32 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

 

I really feel that  schools for ages 11 and under should have gone remote (or at least had a remote option) until the approval for that age range to get vaccinated comes through.   Given the time frame for things (getting all the kids who want it a shot, the two weeks for it take effect, then on to second dose and the next two weeks) I guess I would think the whole fall semester should have had that option.     Maybe that has happened in some places across the country, I don't know.   I just think we're going to be able to pull up lots of stories about schools and infections from any part of the nation very soon.  I should say "more" stories, since many are already coming out.

Yep.  And I largely am sympathetic toward the school boards and superintendents who are now on the front lines of this, without really having those options on the table. 
 

The real vitriol should be directed at the legislature and TEA for not funding any kind of remote learning option, regardless of the state of the epidemic.

[HenryJames 66275]

"The school required teachers and students to mask while indoors; interviews with parents of infected students suggested that students' adherence to masking and distancing guidelines in line with CDC recommendations was high in class. However, the teacher was reportedly unmasked on occasions when reading aloud in class," the report read.

"Throughout this period, all desks were separated by six feet," it added. "All classrooms had portable high-efficiency particulate air filters and doors and windows were left open."

Edited August 28, 2021 by HenryJames

[Woodrow Call 494]

50 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

A sobering 10 minutes.   Happening all over the USA.  

 

 

Ignorance can be paralyzing and fatal. 

[PsychMike 1552]

 

 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19242]

“I am sorry that the pandemic has caused so much dissension. I personally do not agree that stimulating the economy is more important than people’s lives and am disappointed that some people feel that it is,” Bernstein said.
Bravo! Dr. Bernstein.
“No mask, no class”
 
 

I just heard about this at my exercise studio. She is a UGA alum and was telling me about this. I support Dr. Bernstein. Fuck that entitled student.

[GreenspointTexas 9866]

Yesterday, we had the most cases since Jan 20th and a new high for this delta spike. Almost 200,000. We still havent peaked

 

 

[956 Worldwide 34908]

1 hour ago, Welch said:

Yep.  And I largely am sympathetic toward the school boards and superintendents who are now on the front lines of this, without really having those options on the table. 
 

The real vitriol should be directed at the legislature and TEA for not funding any kind of remote learning option, regardless of the state of the epidemic.

 Make no mistake, your elected Republican leaders have made the calculation that their electoral fortunes are more important than some dead adults and children. The calculus really is as simple as that with them.

[wildcat09 29453]

4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

 Make no mistake, your elected Republican leaders have made the calculation that their electoral fortunes are more important than some dead adults and children. The calculus really is as simple as that with them.

It's worse than that. They've made the calculation that their electoral fortunes depend on more Americans dying.

[Beau Vine 54833]

3 hours ago, brakeman said:

 

This is one creepy-looking family.  

Whoops, I mean, *was*.

[jimmyjazz 46470]

That tweet from Eric Topol is interesting.  It looks like the vaccine in Israel was very effective for 4 months, and then their case count shot up.  I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the other countries follow suit, save maybe Iceland.  He points out waning immunity as a possible factor, but I imagine the delta surge came into play as well.

You have to read the charts carefully, because most of the trace colors change between the two.  For some reason, the UK doesn't appear on the second chart, either.  "Data presentation", how does it work?

[cactusflinthead 27615]

 

[956 Worldwide 34908]

8 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

Yep, can’t have Christians in positions of authority contradicting the crazy things the flock might believe. 
 

“The time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear”

[GreenspointTexas 9866]

Ben Taub ER nurses making $140/hr right now. Its the only way theyve been able to keep their staff

[HenryJames 66275]

Buncha nurses posting their pay stubs on the internet now I bet.

[pyrohornIII 4838]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Are there other healthcare jobs that she can work that do not require her to work a job that I assume is physically taxing? I know many hospitals  are begging people to work for them.

She was a month off from finishing her course in medical data recording when Covid shut it down last year.  It pays a lot better, she can do it from home and it's less stressful.  Since it was an in person class, it was put in suspense.  They started it all over again in the spring, and she was once again attending.  Set to finish and be working by August at the latest, then this relapse.  So, maybe the third time will be the charm.   Right now, she can't do much of anything without expending all her energy, and has bouts of depression and anxiety to go along with it.   She sleeps a lot.  

1 hour ago, Welch said:

Yep.  And I largely am sympathetic toward the school boards and superintendents who are now on the front lines of this, without really having those options on the table. 
 

The real vitriol should be directed at the legislature and TEA for not funding any kind of remote learning option, regardless of the state of the epidemic.

True, and better internet access in the rural areas.  They've thrown some words at it (Ashby), but it hasn't amounted to much yet.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13539]

13 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

She was a month off from finishing her course in medical data recording when Covid shut it down last year.  It pays a lot better, she can do it from home and it's less stressful.  Since it was an in person class, it was put in suspense.  They started it all over again in the spring, and she was once again attending.  Set to finish and be working by August at the latest, then this relapse.  So, maybe the third time will be the charm.   Right now, she can't do much of anything without expending all her energy, and has bouts of depression and anxiety to go along with it.   She sleeps a lot.  

True, and better internet access in the rural areas.  They've thrown some words at it (Ashby), but it hasn't amounted to much yet.

Depression can halt many plans. I would think the lack of a month of a course shouldn't stop someone in this job market but I understnad that depression can prevent people from even the simplest tasks. 

[washparkhorn 9939]

2 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

you will have a stronger economy when the virus is controlled 

No question about it. The virus a powerful headwind to growth in our economy.

[brakeman 28509]

2 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

I definitely support masking but this is a false choice. It’s not economy vs safety, you can have a stronger economy when the virus is controlled 

Covid is efficiently and economically controlled with universal masking.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20615]

Eric Clapton going to be the next one to FAFA?
 

 

 

[YChang 3472]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

 

I’m a bit shocked that this took place in Marin county (if it’s the one I’m thinking of in the Bay Area). Unless the teacher is of the hippie variety of anti-vaccination. 

[Hefeweizen 5357]

Fuck Eric Clapton.  Never did get him but that’s beside the point, why do we need his medical advice?

[brakeman 28509]

 

USA! USA! USA!

We're #1!

[brakeman 28509]

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

11 minutes ago, Hefeweizen said:

Fuck Eric Clapton.  Never did get him but that’s beside the point, why do we need his medical advice?

Never did get him?

[washparkhorn 9939]

10 minutes ago, YChang said:

I’m a bit shocked that this took place in Marin county (if it’s the one I’m thinking of in the Bay Area). Unless the teacher is of the hippie variety of anti-vaccination. 

Could have been a willingly unvaccinated Q-head, but in Marin it is probably hippie-logic. The hippies use (and have used) arguments that now have been adopted by Q-heads. 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e2.htm?s_cid=mm7035e2_w

[UDontKnow 10502]

1 hour ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

The one Bible thumper who was worth supporting and he gets fired. 

Welcome to America...god fucking dammit.