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1 hour ago, ROFL BOX said:

Can anyone find a link for me?

An anti-vaxxers I know has asked for proof that rates of transmission for vaccinated people are lower than rates of transmission for UNvaxxed.

The difficult part is that like all the deniers, prob. anything you show them will be seen as nonsense, like they see through your attempted Jedi mind trick.a4beadabc61fa01e27a15cb5a9a86f4c.jpg8ef465f7968ca4e8d620aa10c625a152.jpg

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Honestly I doubt there is much difference in the rate of transmission between the vaccinated and unvaccinated who are Covid positive. The difference is, unvaccinated are much more likely to become positive and therefore become able to transmit the virus. If only one to three out of every 10 exposures results in an infection in a vaccinated person versus eight or so out of 10 in an unvaccinated person, it’s pretty easy to do the math from there. Of course, you’re dealing with morons so let them fuck around and find out.

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I'd just like to point out that neither myself nor any of my fellow nurses, fellow advanced nurse practitioners, and other healthcare providers ever swore an oath that we would lay down our lives for

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Welp, it finally happened. I snapped in public today. I went into work for a bit this morning because I’m trying to figure out the safest way to host physicians we are recruiting given our CV-19 sit

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I don't really know what to say anymore tbh. What happened last night is hard to put into words for anyone who hasn't worked in a hospital healthcare setting. Just unreal. Everyone is getting fucked.

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WRT/ transmissibility, its all just a numbers game of viral load. If you're already vaccinated (or to a lesser degree with prior infection) your immune system will actively fight the virus and reduce the amount of live virus in your body, compared to it just burning itself out. 

So a vaccinated person who has the virus in their body can still transmit the virus, but for a much shorter period of time and with lower probability of transmission - because there's less live virus inside you. 

So yes, it's not 100% effective and bulletproof. But it's pretty fucking good and will keep you out of the hospital (unless you're an old or a fat)

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3 hours ago, ROFL BOX said:

Unfortunately, Genco, it is family (& applies to other family as well).

Some by marriage, some by blood.

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I also have some family who believe stupid shit.

Or at least, I think they do. With some of them it's been more than a decade since we talked.

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On 10/7/2021 at 5:46 PM, Bama Chick said:


Don’t think those of us that work in hospitals - or even scarier, those of us working directly with the vaccination efforts - haven’t played out scary scenarios in our heads.

I’m actually shocked there hasn’t been more violence.

Next time a Tim McVeigh situation happens, half the country is gonna celebrate like non other. They’ll label the domestic terrorist a true patriot who is exposing the deep state and trying to stop socialism. God dammit I hate these fucking people. I don’t wish death on anyone(with a few exceptions) but these fuckers need to die. Their idiocy makes Simple Jack look like Elon Musk

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Can anyone find a link for me?

An anti-vaxxer I know has asked for proof that rates of transmission for vaccinated people are lower than rates of transmission for UNvaxxed.

The difficult part is that like all the deniers, prob. anything you show them will be seen as nonsense, like they see through your attempted Jedi mind trick.

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…because the vaccinated people who get Covid won’t take up an ICU bed that other night need.

The transmission rate is not the only motivation for employer mandates, but “they” don’t want to talk about that.
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26 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Eric Clapton is an asshole:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/eric-clapton-vaccine-lockdown-racist-comments-1239027/

Just read that article, thanks for posting. This jumped out as "wow, this guy is nuts":

Clapton does appear to have a credulous side: In the book, he detailed the bizarre incident in the Eighties when “a lady with a strong European accent” called him at home, told him she knew all about his difficulties with Pattie Boyd (his wife by then), and persuaded him to try all sorts of odd rituals — like “cut my finger to draw blood, smear it onto a cross with Pattie’s and my name written on it, and read weird incantations at night.” (At her suggestion, he also flew to New York and slept with her before realizing that none of that madness would bring Boyd back.) 

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59 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Just read that article, thanks for posting. This jumped out as "wow, this guy is nuts":

Clapton does appear to have a credulous side: In the book, he detailed the bizarre incident in the Eighties when “a lady with a strong European accent” called him at home, told him she knew all about his difficulties with Pattie Boyd (his wife by then), and persuaded him to try all sorts of odd rituals — like “cut my finger to draw blood, smear it onto a cross with Pattie’s and my name written on it, and read weird incantations at night.” (At her suggestion, he also flew to New York and slept with her before realizing that none of that madness would bring Boyd back.) 

That's the passage you picked out of that entire article? Very on-brand for you, I must say.

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

That's the passage you picked out of that entire article? Very on-brand for you, I must say.

Troll gonna troll. Same as he always has under previous usernames. Same as he will under future ones after this one is banned. 

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The National Institutes of Health study, which was released Wednesday and has yet to be peer reviewed, found that people who received the Johnson & Johnson vaccine produced stronger antibody levels after receiving a booster shot made by Moderna or Pfizer, compared to a booster from Johnson & Johnson. Those who were originally vaccinated with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines and received either company's booster shot produced comparably strong immune responses, the researchers observed.

 

 

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The National Institutes of Health study, which was released Wednesday and has yet to be peer reviewed, found that people who received the Johnson & Johnson vaccine produced stronger antibody levels after receiving a booster shot made by Moderna or Pfizer, compared to a booster from Johnson & Johnson. Those who were originally vaccinated with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines and received either company's booster shot produced comparably strong immune responses, the researchers observed.

 

 

So ... should I get the Moderna when I get my booster? I got Pfizer on the first two. Seems Moderna is just slightly better, yes? Both Pfizer shots kicked my butt for a day or two (second less so) and I think it's because I'd had COVID before.

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On 10/11/2021 at 9:17 PM, Francisco 2.0 said:

Tucker saying Biden is lying about Fox having a vax mandate.  Internet produces the Fox memo stating otherwise.

 

 

I wouldn't call that a vaccine mandate.  It's policies to be followed based on the vaccination status.

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So ... should I get the Moderna when I get my booster? I got Pfizer on the first two. Seems Moderna is just slightly better, yes? Both Pfizer shots kicked my butt for a day or two (second less so) and I think it's because I'd had COVID before.

Key thing to keep in mind is that the Moderna studied by the NIH was full dose (100mcg).  The booster that Moderna is asking the FDA for an EUA on is half dose (50mcg).  I would expect the EUA'd booster to be fairly similar to PFE (dose is 30mcg).   The biggest take away from that data, imo, is that JNJ should have probably always been approached as a two shot regimen, and for those that got a one shot JNJ they should strongly consider boosting with MRNA or PFE.  These latter points are unsurprising, as we've been talking here around MRNA boosters for those folks for a while, extrapolating the experience ex-US with the AstraZeneca vaccine.  

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Have had cases in the past against Hal.  He is not to be underestimated.

However, I don't see this as having a significant impact generally on employer mandates even if it is successful.  From what I could glean from what was posted, the argument appears to be that the mandate constitutes an unbargained for modification to the collective bargaining agreement already in place; i.e., a breach of contract.  Not a generalized claim that mandating vaccines otherwise violates some general right of an employee.

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Have had cases in the past against Hal.  He is not to be underestimated.
However, I don't see this as having a significant impact generally on employer mandates even if it is successful.  From what I could glean from what was posted, the argument appears to be that the mandate constitutes an unbargained for modification to the collective bargaining agreement already in place; i.e., a breach of contract.  Not a generalized claim that mandating vaccines otherwise violates some general right of an employee.

This. Good post. They’ve found a potential angle to attack it, but it’s entirely contractual.
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What makes this all even funnier is that most of these folks aren't the rich or even upper middle class.  These are the working stiffs from the outer borough.  These are the people that benefit the most from the myriad of social programs that NYC has in place (it isn't perfect, but there are actually a lot of things in place to help the less better off in the city, especially the elderly and disabled).  If these folks think Florida is going to be better, good fucking luck. They may pay lower overall taxes, but I believe their wages will be MUCH lower.  Further, there is zero social safety net.  

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What makes this all even funnier is that most of these folks aren't the rich or even upper middle class.  These are the working stiffs from the outer borough.  These are the people that benefit the most from the myriad of social programs that NYC has in place (it isn't perfect, but there are actually a lot of things in place to help the less better off in the city, especially the elderly and disabled).  If these folks think Florida is going to be better, good fucking luck. They may pay lower overall taxes, but I believe their wages will be MUCH lower.  Further, there is zero social safety net.  

If they're working class, their taxes won't be that much lower, especially if you consider ALL of the taxes paid.  Being people here mostly from Texas, we all know that.  The working class are sold on states like TX and FL being tax havens for them and they're not.  They're tax havens for the wealthy.  Meanwhile, Joe Working Class is paying $8 per day tolls in Texas, gets a $8K property tax bill, and pays a healthy sales tax but Fox tells him he's coming out ahead because of no income tax.  Then, to your, point, no social safety net.

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12 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

If they're working class, their taxes won't be that much lower, especially if you consider ALL of the taxes paid.  Being people here mostly from Texas, we all know that.  The working class are sold on states like TX and FL being tax havens for them and they're not.  They're tax havens for the wealthy.  Meanwhile, Joe Working Class is paying $8 per day tolls in Texas, gets a $8K property tax bill, and pays a healthy sales tax but Fox tells him he's coming out ahead because of no income tax.  Then, to your, point, no social safety net.

This.  For 90% of people, the myth of "Texas is super great for your taxes and expenses!" is for people who are bad at math.  You pay plenty of taxes in Texas, either directly or indirectly (so, you don't own your home, you rent.....cool....do you think that the property taxes aren't accounted for in the rent you're being charged?)

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  For 90% of people, the myth of "Texas is super great for your taxes and expenses!" is for people who are bad at math.  You pay plenty of taxes in Texas, either directly or indirectly (so, you don't own your home, you rent.....cool....do you think that the property taxes aren't accounted for in the rent you're being charged?)

 

21 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

If they're working class, their taxes won't be that much lower, especially if you consider ALL of the taxes paid.  Being people here mostly from Texas, we all know that.  The working class are sold on states like TX and FL being tax havens for them and they're not.  They're tax havens for the wealthy.  Meanwhile, Joe Working Class is paying $8 per day tolls in Texas, gets a $8K property tax bill, and pays a healthy sales tax but Fox tells him he's coming out ahead because of no income tax.  Then, to your, point, no social safety net.

Agree to both of these.  I mean pay lower overall "income taxes".  They will still get hit with property taxes, sales taxes, etc..  They will also have to have a car, because unlike New York City, there is not really viable public transportation in Florida (or Texas really).  They do not think about any of that when making these decisions.  Most people don't.

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7 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

 

Agree to both of these.  I mean pay lower overall "income taxes".  They will still get hit with property taxes, sales taxes, etc..  They will also have to have a car, because unlike New York City, there is not really viable public transportation in Florida (or Texas really).  They do not think about any of that when making these decisions.  Most people don't.

So true.

When I've been looking at my costs to relocate from Denver back to Houston, I'm balancing cheaper property with the added cost of having a car again - no payment, but insurance and gas and maintenance.   Anything I feel like I "gain" from not paying CO Income Tax is almost fully offset by those 3 things.  

I'm lucky for being able to get a car with no payment for moving back, but for others, they have to factor in that too.  

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Agree to both of these.  I mean pay lower overall "income taxes".  They will still get hit with property taxes, sales taxes, etc..  They will also have to have a car, because unlike New York City, there is not really viable public transportation in Florida (or Texas really).  They do not think about any of that when making these decisions.  Most people don't.

I've done the math and my annual tax burden would be higher in Texas than it currently is in California. Yes, the state income tax exists, but the property tax I would be paying in Texas is $21,000 more than I currently pay in CA.

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4 minutes ago, Foosters said:

I've done the math and my annual tax burden would be higher in Texas than it currently is in California. Yes, the state income tax exists, but the property tax I would be paying in Texas is $21,000 more than I currently pay in CA.

yes, but it's much easier to be poor in Texas than in California. Checkmate, libs

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16 minutes ago, Foosters said:

I've done the math and my annual tax burden would be higher in Texas than it currently is in California. Yes, the state income tax exists, but the property tax I would be paying in Texas is $21,000 more than I currently pay in CA.

This is how you humblebrag guys.  Our of curiosity, are you calculating this by taking the current value of your house in CA and just rolling over that value to TX tax rates?  Or are you comparing like to like houses in TX and CA and also accounting for the differences in housing prices?  And for your CA property tax liability you are using I assume a locked in property tax valuation (if I understand how those things work in CA right)?

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19 minutes ago, Foosters said:

I've done the math and my annual tax burden would be higher in Texas than it currently is in California. Yes, the state income tax exists, but the property tax I would be paying in Texas is $21,000 more than I currently pay in CA.

I currently pay approximately $21K in Texas property tax.  Do you live in a cardboard box?

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This is how you humblebrag guys.  Our of curiosity, are you calculating this by taking the current value of your house in CA and just rolling over that value to TX tax rates?  Or are you comparing like to like houses in TX and CA and also accounting for the differences in housing prices?  And for your CA property tax liability you are using I assume a locked in property tax valuation (if I understand how those things work in CA right)?

Is it?

I fully acknowledge that my house, if picked up and dropped somewhere in Texas, would not be valued close to what it is now. I used average property tax rates for various zip codes to calculate Texas tax burden. For CA, I'm just going off of my tax bill from last year. IDK, maybe I'm way off. 

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Is it?

I fully acknowledge that my house, if picked up and dropped somewhere in Texas, would not be valued close to what it is now. I used average property tax rates for various zip codes to calculate Texas tax burden. For CA, I'm just going off of my tax bill from last year. IDK, maybe I'm way off. 

Assuming that you are currently paying in $10k range (which may be totally wildly off), and adding $20k to that, that would put you in the $1.5MM range (at my rates).  I think that still counts as humblebrag, even on the surly?

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