CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Ty for sharing that - didn't realize you were just referencing the Israeli study. First sentence of the third paragraph:

 

The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated. 

It's very marginal added protection. I noticed you cherry picked the data. Why don't you quote the diffence in protection of acquired immunity vs vaccine immunity? I know why. 

The problem isn't people previously infected not getting vaccinated. Why are you obsessed in forcing a vaccine into their bodies?

Edited October 19, 2021 by PassiveAggressiveCoach

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

9 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I’ve been vaccinated since March. If it was going to kill me it would’ve done it by now, you fucking idiot.

That's really stupid. You're right. You couldn't get Covid later.  Especially as vaccine effectiveness wanes. 

FYI I got covid last fall. Almost a yr ago. Could I say the same I guess? 

Edited October 19, 2021 by PassiveAggressiveCoach

[Beau Vine 54211]

13 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

It's like you couldn't even finish reading the fucking title of the study.

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

Just now, Beau Vine said:

It's like you couldn't even finish reading the fucking title of the study.

You read how many times more effective being previously infected is vs vaccine conferred immunity? Did you read that? Did you hear Fauci not even being able to explain why those people should be vaccinated? It's like you ignore it all. It's like the vaccine is a religion. 

[Captainant 27653]

7 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

Why don't you quote the diffence in protection of acquired immunity vs vaccine immunity? I know why. 

Well for one, getting vaccinated carries a less than one in a million risk profile of adverse reaction, whereas prior infection exposes you to the myriad of risk associated with COVID infection. 

8 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

The problem isn't people previously infected not getting vaccinated. Why are you obsessed in forcing a vaccine into their bodies?

Because it's an effective public health measure that is judicially tested and constitutionally valid. You don't beat a viral pandemic by only using the measures that you like - you use every possible tool at your disposal to apply to most pressure possible to snuff out (or at least get on top of) the virus. 

Idk about you, but I'm fucking tired of pandemic life. Let's just get everyone (actually everyone, none of this false religious objection shit) fucking vaccinated so we can put this in the rear view mirror. 

No idea why the trumpists want so badly to allow the virus to continue. 

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

Well for one, getting vaccinated carries a less than one in a million risk profile of adverse reaction, whereas prior infection exposes you to the myriad of risk associated with COVID infection. 

Because it's an effective public health measure that is judicially tested and constitutionally valid. You don't beat a viral pandemic by only using the measures that you like - you use every possible tool at your disposal to apply to most pressure possible to snuff out (or at least get on top of) the virus. 

Idk about you, but I'm fucking tired of pandemic life. Let's just get everyone (actually everyone, none of this false religious objection shit) fucking vaccinated so we can put this in the rear view mirror. 

No idea why the trumpists want so badly to allow the virus to continue. 

You're talking all around it. Are people with previous covid infections not getting vaccinated the issue with the pandemic? 

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Well for one, getting vaccinated carries a less than one in a million risk profile of adverse reaction, whereas prior infection exposes you to the myriad of risk associated with COVID infection. 

This is an odd statement. if you already had covid and studies show an even more robust protection vs vaccine conferred immunity why should one be forced to get the vaccine? Why would someone risk any adverse reaction at all if their protection from Covid is already better than vaccine immunity? Why can't Fauci even give a concise answer to this? 

[Captainant 27653]

3 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

You're talking all around it. Are people with previous covid infections not getting vaccinated the issue with the pandemic? 

You tell me what's easier and cheaper to implement:

Get a everyone vaccinated

OR

Test every American, and then require vaccination for people without antibodies

So it's not the issue now, since we're still dealing with the base of 30% of Americans who think there were very fine people just visiting the capitol on Jan 6.  But given a reason or mechanism to lie to avoid getting the vax, you and people like you would absolutely abuse it. 

4 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

This is an odd statement. if you already had covid and studies show an even more robust protection vs vaccine conferred immunity why should one be forced to get the vaccine? Why would someone risk any adverse reaction at all if their protection from Covid is already better than vaccine immunity? Why can't Fauci even give a concise answer to this? 

Also if you're going to continue repeating the lie the "natural immunity is better than vaccinated protection" the least you could do is cite your claim. 

But thoughtful and data-driven discussion is not why you're here - you're just fighting the culture war your thought leaders told you to fight. Say hi to Joe Rogan and Dan bingobongoingo for me

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

So funny. Im giving very logical arguments questioning being forced to get a vaccine for people with previous covid infections and in the end all y'all can do is neg rep. That's when I know I'm right. You know logically I'm probably right and people with previous infections probably shouldn't be forced into a vaccine but the vaccine is so political you are dug in and can't admit it.  

[Captainant 27653]

1 minute ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

So funny. Im giving very logical arguments questioning being forced to get a vaccine for people with previous covid infections and in the end all y'all can do is neg rep. That's when I know I'm right. You know logically I'm probably right and people with previous infections probably shouldn't be forced into a vaccine but the vaccine is so political you are dug in and can't admit it.  

You're throwing out claims without data and relying on rhetoric to make a point. 

I don't think you could be any more aggy even if you were fucking a sheep.

Im negging you because the mods don't care about vaccine disinformation in CR, so I'm doing my part to take out the trash

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

You tell me what's easier and cheaper to implement:

Get a everyone vaccinated

OR

Test every American, and then require vaccination for people without antibodies

So it's not the issue now, since we're still dealing with the base of 30% of Americans who think there were very fine people just visiting the capitol on Jan 6.  But given a reason or mechanism to lie to avoid getting the vax, you and people like you would absolutely abuse it. 

Also if you're going to continue repeating the lie the "natural immunity is better than vaccinated protection" the least you could do is cite your claim. 

But thoughtful and data-driven discussion is not why you're here - you're just fighting the culture war your thought leaders told you to fight. Say hi to Joe Rogan and Dan bingobongoingo for me

I've already quoted the large scale study. Here it is again. Previous infection was 27 times better preventing symptomatic infections vs the Pfizer vaccine. Are you not reading it? 

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

You're throwing out claims without data and relying on rhetoric to make a point. 

I don't think you could be any more aggy even if you were fucking a sheep.

Im negging you because the mods don't care about vaccine disinformation in CR, so I'm doing my part to take out the trash

I also posted this clip of Gupta asking Fauci this exact question from this same exact study and Fauci couldn't answer it. I don't know what else you're looking for? I cited the study. I included a question to our top medical official not being able to say people with natural immunity should have to get the vaccine. It's just ignored. It's a logical question based in facts. 

 

[Captainant 27653]

Just now, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

I've already quoted the large scale study. Here it is again. Previous infection was 27 times better preventing symptomatic infections vs the Pfizer vaccine. Are you not reading it? 

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

Lmao you gotta go back like a month to find the discussion on that data in this thread - in Israel the majority and nearly the entirety of the country is vaccinated. No shit they're going to have a high rate of vaccinated infection compared to prior infection - there's not that many people who simply have prior infection.

That's what they're counting. 

And you're too intellectually lazy to actually read the study (or at least skim it) to make sure that what you read on Facebook about it is actually correct. 

But you don't care about that, you just want to score bigbrain points so very fine people like GRUhorn and incredulity think you're double plus bigly smart. My dude, you're using an old talking point about the Israeli data. Get with the times, boomer. 

[bad_teammate 13194]

The question of the efficacy of natural immunity vs vaccine immunity doesn't really have much to do with the question of vaccine mandates because the vaccine mandate is a question of social policy, which is the management of populations.

Some important factors:

1 - People lie
2 - Giving uninfected+unvax people natural immunity is significantly more dangerous than giving them the vaccine
3 - The vaccine, while less effective, is good enough to accomplish the job if given at extremely high rates

[DigglerontheHoof 21186]

51 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

It'll be funnier if you die from it being vaccinated. I'll feel pretty safe with my natural immunity backed by some strong studies confirming it. 

[bad_teammate 13194]

Conservative Unable to Understand the Concept of Social Policy vs. Self-Interest: NEWS AT 11

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

Lmao you gotta go back like a month to find the discussion on that data in this thread - in Israel the majority and nearly the entirety of the country is vaccinated. No shit they're going to have a high rate of vaccinated infection compared to prior infection - there's not that many people who simply have prior infection.

That's what they're counting. 

And you're too intellectually lazy to actually read the study (or at least skim it) to make sure that what you read on Facebook about it is actually correct. 

But you don't care about that, you just want to score bigbrain points so very fine people like GRUhorn and incredulity think you're double plus bigly smart. My dude, you're using an old talking point about the Israeli data. Get with the times, boomer. 

The study compared natural vs vaccine immunity and showed a clear difference. It's the largest scale study to date. It had over 30K people in it. It was so large and significant even CNN asked Fauci a tough question about it and put him on his heels. Ignore the data if you want. Natural immunity after infection is very strong and policy forcing a vaccine into these people I believe is wrong. 

[Captainant 27653]

2 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

I also posted this clip of Gupta asking Fauci this exact question from this same exact study and Fauci couldn't answer it. I don't know what else you're looking for? I cited the study. I included a question to our top medical official not being able to say people with natural immunity should have to get the vaccine. It's just ignored. It's a logical question based in facts. 

 

Just to be clear, you think the selective cut, framing, and analysis from an antivaxxer who pushes horse paste is a good source of COVID information? 

You are aware that American Frontline Doctors (the org that "Dr" Simone Gold has in her Twitter bio) have been recognized by multiple nations as the source of origination for vaccine disinformation and sham treatments like HCQ and horse paste right?

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Conservative Unable to Understand the Concept of Social Policy vs. Self-Interest: NEWS AT 11

Liberals for choice for their bodies until they're not. 

[Captainant 27653]

PAC: nobody takes me seriously, check out what this doctor keeps posting on Twitter!

Reality: https://theintercept.com/2021/09/28/covid-telehealth-hydroxychloroquine-ivermectin-hacked/

Quote

NETWORK OF RIGHT-WING HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS IS MAKING MILLIONS OFF HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE AND IVERMECTIN, HACKED DATA REVEALS

The data also reveals that 72,000 people paid at least $6.7 million for Covid-19 consultations promoted by America’s Frontline Doctors and vaccine conspiracist Simone Gold.

Poor lil PAC is too far in to realize he's being grifted and is just a useful idiot for grifters. Same as it ever was.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

16 minutes ago, Captainant said:

You're throwing out claims without data and relying on rhetoric to make a point. 

I don't think you could be any more aggy even if you were fucking a sheep.

Im negging you because the mods don't care about vaccine disinformation in CR, so I'm doing my part to take out the trash

And everyone should be negging this assclown.  His bullshit shouldn't be posted anywhere.

[4th&Five 41525]

1 minute ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

Liberals for choice for their bodies until they're not. 

Is anyone making you get a vaccine?

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Just to be clear, you think the selective cut, framing, and analysis from an antivaxxer who pushes horse paste is a good source of COVID information? 

You are aware that American Frontline Doctors (the org that "Dr" Simone Gold has in her Twitter bio) have been recognized by multiple nations as the source of origination for vaccine disinformation and sham treatments like HCQ and horse paste right?

Horse paste. LOL you're like a MSNBC talking head. That is one of the most commonly prescribed drugs in the world and led to a Nobel Peace prize. Does it work for COVID? Who knows? Maybe not. You are clearly showing the media you consume. 

[Captainant 27653]

1 minute ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

And everyone should be negging this assclown.  His bullshit shouldn't be posted anywhere.

Can we get a ruling from @hayden_horn or @immamac on repeatedly posting COVID vaccine disinformation? PAC is straight up just repeating the sales line for AFD who hocks HCQ and ivermectin to redhats

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

Seems like a lot of this directly contradicts the bullshit PAC is peddling here.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/natural-immunity-good-getting-vaccinated-093009241.html

Get fucked, PAC.

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

1 minute ago, 4th&Five said:

Is anyone making you get a vaccine?

When you threaten someone's livelihood that's forcing the vaccine. People have to have jobs for their families. Don't be obtuse. 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

24 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

So funny. Im giving very logical arguments questioning being forced to get a vaccine for people with previous covid infections and in the end all y'all can do is neg rep. That's when I know I'm right. You know logically I'm probably right and people with previous infections probably shouldn't be forced into a vaccine but the vaccine is so political you are dug in and can't admit it.  

Actually, you are wrong.  Infection plus Vaccine is the best protection.  Further, you are twice as likely to get reinfected if you only depend on natural immunity as those who just got vaccinated.  Read what I posted. You are an idiot and a misinformation peddler.  Go fuck yourself.

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Can we get a ruling from @hayden_horn or @immamac on repeatedly posting COVID vaccine disinformation? PAC is straight up just repeating the sales line for AFD who hocks HCQ and ivermectin to redhats

What disinformation have I spread? Get the vax if you want. If you havent had covid it will lead to better outcomes if you get Covid. I understand though you want voices you don't agree with silenced. Am I getting cancelled? You don't like I stated natural immunity is strong and puts into question why those people should be forced to get the vax. 

Edited October 19, 2021 by PassiveAggressiveCoach

[Beau Vine 54211]

34 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

This is an odd statement. if you already had covid and studies show an even more robust protection vs vaccine conferred immunity why should one be forced to get the vaccine?

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

1 minute ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

When you threaten someone's livelihood that's forcing the vaccine. People have to have jobs for their families. Don't be obtuse. 

But no one is holding you down and making you get it.  Life is about choices.  Fuck around and find out. 

[Captainant 27653]

Just now, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

When you threaten someone's livelihood that's forcing the vaccine. People have to have jobs for their families. Don't be obtuse. 

You're gonna hate finding out about Jacobson V Massachusetts then lol. TFW it's a 7-2 precedent that the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court's decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

7 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Actually, you are wrong.  Infection plus Vaccine is the best protection.  Further, you are twice as likely to get reinfected if you only depend on natural immunity as those who just got vaccinated.  Read what I posted. You are an idiot and a misinformation peddler.  Go fuck yourself.

I never said if you got the vax on top of natural immunity doesn't add a marginal effect. In fact, if you read what I posted about that I admitted it. Natural covid infection immunity by itself though confers better protection though than the vaccine by itself. So you're wrong. I never said what you think I said. 

Edited October 19, 2021 by PassiveAggressiveCoach

[DigglerontheHoof 21186]

4 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

What disinformation have I spread? Get the vax if you want. If you havent had covid it will lead to better outcomes if you get Covid. I understand though you want voices you don't agree with silenced. Am I getting cancelled? You don't like I stated natural immunity is strong and puts into question why those people should be forced to get the vax. 

I'm all for morons like you not getting it.  The more of you who die, the better off we are.

Die motherfuckers, die.

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

3 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Exactly. You should get it if you hadn't had covid. Hell, if you want get it if you had covid. It will add a little protection but the study showed natural immunity was much stronger than vaccine immunity. That's the point. 

[Captainant 27653]

1 minute ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

Natural covid infection immunity by itself though confers better protection though than the vaccine by itself. So you're wrong.

This is a lie and disinformation that could get someone killed. 

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/9/21-1042_article

We have observed a roughly 36% rate of NOT acquiring protective antibodies from infection. That's not good, Bob.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

Just now, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

I never said of you got the vax on top of natural immunity doesn't add a marginal effect. In fact, if you read what I posted about that I admitted it. Natural covid infection immunity by itself though confers better protection though than the vaccine by itself. So you're wrong. I never said what you think I said. 

Um, no it doesn't.  Those who only have natural immunity are more than twice as likely to get reinfected than people who have no prior infection and are fully vaccinated.  This has been reported MULTIPLE times, and you just fucking ignore it.  You are a fucking moron.

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

This is a lie and disinformation that could get someone killed. 

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/9/21-1042_article

We have observed a roughly 36% rate of NOT acquiring protective antibodies from infection. That's not good, Bob.

LOL a 72 person study. Here you go again. +30K with actual outcomes. 

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

Edited October 19, 2021 by PassiveAggressiveCoach

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

16 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

Liberals for choice for their bodies until they're not. 

Are you implying the abortion issue?  Because that’s like comparing apples and apple flavored horse dewormer, they are so very different.  Main one being Only half the population can get pregnant and they can’t get pregnant by someone coughing on them in an elevator.  

[Captainant 27653]

5 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

LOL a 72 person study. Here you go again. +30K 

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

Yes, please post the SAME FUCKING ISRAELI study again. Eat my ass, you antivaxxer. I don't know why the mods tolerate their platform being used to spread disinformation to let grifters grift. 

Have you even read the abstract and analysis from that study? They had a total of NINE data points to study. I know numbers aren't your strength, but nine does happen to be less than 72. 

From your article that you keep posting:

“The differences are huge,” says Thålin, although she cautions that the numbers for infections and other events analyzed for the comparisons were “small.” For instance, the higher hospitalization rate in the 32,000-person analysis was based on just eight hospitalizations in a vaccinated group and one in a previously infected group. And the 13-fold increased risk of infection in the same analysis was based on just 238 infections in the vaccinated population, less than 1.5% of the more than 16,000 people, versus 19 reinfections among a similar number of people who once had SARS-CoV-2.

...

In another analysis, the researchers compared more than 14,000 people who had a confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection and were still unvaccinated with an equivalent number of previously infected people who received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The team found that the unvaccinated group was twice as likely to be reinfected as the singly vaccinated.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Captainant

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

8 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Um, no it doesn't.  Those who only have natural immunity are more than twice as likely to get reinfected than people who have no prior infection and are fully vaccinated.  This has been reported MULTIPLE times, and you just fucking ignore it.  You are a fucking moron.

You are ignoring a very large scale study and once again Fauci can't even explain why people with natural immunity should get the vaccine. Y'all are just going to stick your head in the sand. Any data stating otherwise shall be ignored. There is a very logical argument to be made for people with natural immunity not being forced to take the vaccine but it violates the vaccine worship. Y'all should work on cancelling Fauci and Gupta. 

Edited October 19, 2021 by PassiveAggressiveCoach

[heso 2791]

[4th&Five 41525]

Take your shit to texags where you’ll be applauded. That alone should make you rethink your position. 

[Captainant 27653]

2 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Take your shit to texags where you’ll be applauded. That alone should make you rethink your position. 

He'll just take it to DT, which isn't far off from texags depending on the subject. 

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

6 minutes ago, Captainant said:

He'll just take it to DT, which isn't far off from texags depending on the subject. 

You feel good in your daily social justice cancelling effort? Did I violate your CR confirmation bias safe space? 🤣 I apologize for my logic micro-aggression. 

Edited October 19, 2021 by PassiveAggressiveCoach

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

2 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

You feel good in your daily social justice cancelling effort? Did I violate your CR confirmation bias safe space? 🤣 I apologize for my logic micro-aggression. 

You seem really intelligent.  Are you like a doctor or astronaut or something?  How do you have time to post right now when you should be busy at your real job.

[Captainant 27653]

5 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

You feel good in your daily social justice cancelling effort? Did I violate your CR confirmation bias safe space? 🤣 I apologize for my logic micro-aggression. 

Fighting disinformation around a deadly virus that's killed 750,000+ Americans isn't social justice

You clearly aren't reading the articles you're posting, because their own text undercuts your arguments that you're supporting with the article.

You aren't being logical, but you're too fucking dumb to examine your own supporting data and sources to understand that.

 

Go fuck a sheep, you fucking aggy.

[aggie08 21496]

15 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Take your shit to texags where you’ll be applauded. That alone should make you rethink your position. 

This always floors me. On this site, of all places, how posting things that would make texags pause to give you a standing ovation doesn't cause people to take a few extra minutes to revaluate their positions.

[wildcat09 29349]

99% of the time that someone in an internet argument claims to be the one side making logical arguments, they're being emotional little bitches whining about why rules shouldn't apply to them.

The other 1% of the time it's badteammate.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

22 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

You are ignoring a very large scale study and once again Fauci can't even explain why people with natural immunity should get the vaccine. Y'all are just going to stick your head in the sand. Any data stating otherwise shall be ignored. There is a very logical argument to be made for people with natural immunity not being forced to take the vaccine but it violates the vaccine worship. Y'all should work on cancelling Fauci and Gupta. 

You are ignoring all the other studies but the one that fits your narrative.  

Edited October 19, 2021 by PenelopeWitherspoon

[wildcat09 29349]

I am a big logic brain who thinks I deserve a special exemption from prosecution for murders. Doesn't society understand that I know who the bad guys who really deserve it are?