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I'd just like to point out that neither myself nor any of my fellow nurses, fellow advanced nurse practitioners, and other healthcare providers ever swore an oath that we would lay down our lives for

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Welp, it finally happened. I snapped in public today. I went into work for a bit this morning because I’m trying to figure out the safest way to host physicians we are recruiting given our CV-19 sit

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I don't really know what to say anymore tbh. What happened last night is hard to put into words for anyone who hasn't worked in a hospital healthcare setting. Just unreal. Everyone is getting fucked.

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I've had quite a few people - mostly from my parent's age group and older boomers at work tell me that the main reason the hospitals have been full and so many people are dying is because of the evil doctors/hospital systems that refuse to give everyone Ivermectin. 

What an odd worldview to think the absolute worst of the people who have dedicated their lives to helping people/saving lives.

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I've had quite a few people - mostly from my parent's age group and older boomers at work tell me that the main reason the hospitals have been full and so many people are dying is because of the evil doctors/hospital systems that refuse to give everyone Ivermectin. 

What an odd worldview to think the absolute worst of the people who have dedicated their lives to helping people/saving lives.

I think what doesn't necessarily help crazy people from reinforcing a belief in conspiracy is when news comes out and headlines report Pfizer raises Covid vaccine sales forecast to $36 billion for 2021 because it sounds like the motive was always in a manifested or manufactured profiting event. But that's just the reality of the pandemic; lots of companies (more than not, as more organizations are not in the travel/hospitality category) have had a windfall. It's just business and facts. 

But I saw someone said something about how the problem is people don't want to have the power to choose taken away from them and that is why they are against mandates; it's a freedom issue. I came across this blurb in regards to vaccine mandate and Tyson foods and thought this was an interesting perspective on that power of choice:

 

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The power of choice goes both ways. Tyson had spent six months trying to encourage employees to get vaccinated ahead of the mandate, so it knew what made them resistant to a requirement. “Part of it is, ‘I just simply don’t want you telling me what to do,” King said. “I’ve gotten a death threat posted on a bathroom wall in one of our plants.”

But several Tyson employees said that when the company removed the choice from them, it was a relief. Diana Eike, an administrative assistant at Tyson’s automation center, wasn’t planning to get the vaccine, and after Tyson announced the mandate, she was mad at first. Now, she is grateful: Tyson “took the burden off of me making the choice,” she said.

 

 

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Texas GOP chair Allen West involved in physical altercation at Dallas airport over mask, campaign says

Republican Party of Texas chairman and 2022 gubernatorial hopeful Allen West was involved in a physical altercation at the Dallas Fort-Worth International Airport Wednesday. The incident allegedly stemmed from West's refusal to wear a mask on the premises, according to a press release from his campaign.  

The statement alleges the GOP candidate was approached by a man who yelled at him for not wearing a mask. West allegedly responded by "flicking" the man's mask off. The man responded by raising his fists at West, per the statement. West took to Twitter afterward to provide his own account of the incident, saying the man called him an "idiot." West said he pulled down the man's mask and said "see, nothing happened."

"This morning at the airport a man starts yelling at me and tells me to put my mask on and calls me an idiot," West tweeted. "I walked over to him and asked if he called me an idiot, he continued to yell at me. I pulled down his mask and said see nothing happened."

West continued, saying "He put up his fists and I walked away. I did call him a stupid man. I have spoken to DFW PD. Theres' no mask law, nothing has ever passed in the US House and Senate making wearing a mask law."

Airport police have filed a report on the incident, according to the press release. DFW Airport Department of Public Safety Headquarters offered no comment and calls to their media requests division went unanswered as of this writing. 

The Transportation Security Administration currently has a federal requirement stipulating travelers wear masks across all transportation networks in the U.S., including commercial flights, buses and trains through Jan. 18, 2022. The Centers for Disease Control has also recommended unvaccinated individuals wear masks indoor in public spaces to prevent the spread of COVID-19. 

West, who is unvaccinated, was hospitalized for COVID-related pneumonia last month. He has pushed the use of unproven therapies for the virus, including hydroxycholoroquine and ivermectin — which are used to treat roundworm infections and other parasites. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has strongly cautioned against the use of both treatments after finding they have no benefit for decreasing the likelihood of death or speeding recovery from COVID-19, and can be misused to dangerous effect.

So West touched the other guy.  Isn't that assault?  I sure as shit would file charges as such.  Fuck Allen West.  Also, aren't masks required at the airport???

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9 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

I think what doesn't necessarily help crazy people from reinforcing a belief in conspiracy is when news comes out and headlines report Pfizer raises Covid vaccine sales forecast to $36 billion for 2021 because it sounds like the motive was always in a manifested or manufactured profiting event. But that's just the reality of the pandemic; lots of companies (more than not, as more organizations are not in the travel/hospitality category) have had a windfall. It's just business and facts.

But here's the deal on the bolded, (and what I've told people who have argued this) that's kind of the way our capitalist system works.  Private companies that created something that will help us crawl out of this shit show pandemic get to share in the spoils.  Should the government control how much they can make or be in control of the entire system that developed the vaccine?  That sounds a little socialisty to me.

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But here's the deal on the bolded, (and what I've told people who have argued this) that's kind of the way our capitalist system works.  Private companies that created something that will help us crawl out of this shit show pandemic get to share in the spoils.  Should the government control how much they can make or be in control of the entire system that developed the vaccine?  That sounds a little socialisty to me.

100% agree with you which I stated as "It's just business and facts."

I was just commenting about how to people who are already imbalanced or damaged enough to be so inclined, the fact that $36bn in profit is being generated by Big Pharma, is going to set off alarm bells and sirens. It's inconvenient in that way.

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 Also, aren't masks required at the airport???

Yes, and in case anyone was ignorant or forgot, every 5 mins there is a recording "Per the President's mandate, a mask is required at all times on airport property, etc."

I walked for 10 minutes without one on, on accident I just forgot to put it back on after security or starbucks or whatever, and sheepishly remembered and put it on. I wish someone would have given me a subtle signal like if one had spinach in their teeth, so I didn't walk around for 10 minutes looking lower class and vulgar.

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48 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Delta went through the South like Sherman.

Yeah.  I mean, it's kinda like data showing that Atlanta has the lowest current rate of structure fires, without also noting that this snapshot is taken after Sherman already burned every structure in Atlanta to the ground, so there's nothing left to burn.

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1 hour ago, DonkeyCigars said:

100% agree with you which I stated as "It's just business and facts."

I was just commenting about how to people who are already imbalanced or damaged enough to be so inclined, the fact that $36bn in profit is being generated by Big Pharma, is going to set off alarm bells and sirens. It's inconvenient in that way.

I'm glad we have you here to tell us what the stupid people think.  It's a valuable service you're providing!

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6 minutes ago, El Diablo said:

Are people no longer talking about herd immunity and if not why not? Seems like between those that have been vaxed and the unvaxed that have had it and haven't died... shouldn't we be getting close? 

Gotta get the kids vaccinated.

Also, heading into winter when a lot of people are indoors, so that'll ramp things back up amongst the anti-vaxxers.

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4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Gotta get the kids vaccinated.

Also, heading into winter when a lot of people are indoors, so that'll ramp things back up amongst the anti-vaxxers.

Is anyone still tracking what percentage we're at or have any better guesstimate of what the % needs to be? I know when this thing first started it was all about flatten the curve (which I realize we're still doing) and get to herd immunity. 

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16 minutes ago, El Diablo said:

Is anyone still tracking what percentage we're at or have any better guesstimate of what the % needs to be? I know when this thing first started it was all about flatten the curve (which I realize we're still doing) and get to herd immunity. 

No.  They don’t.

There are a lot of breakthrough cases happening currently.  If this thing keeps being managed to cases its not going to be “over” for quite some time.

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7 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Please, please, please tell me a majority of this is in Tits and Guns district...

Statewide increase in hospitalizations and statewide directive on hospital space.

Some of her folk might be sent down to city hospitals, which will scare them half to death. 

It will get worse in her neck of the woods with hunting season and hot tents.

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2 hours ago, El Diablo said:

Are people no longer talking about herd immunity and if not why not? Seems like between those that have been vaxed and the unvaxed that have had it and haven't died... shouldn't we be getting close? 

 

covid is shifty little beast 

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-delta-variant-has-affected-our-ability-to-reach-herd-immunity

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02854-3

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6 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Maybe CDC needs to recalibrate their thresholds for the use of different colors, cause this isn't really resolving anything.  Other than the south and Texas appear to be doing better than everyone else atm.

 

 

ill guess under reporting 

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3 hours ago, Incredulity said:

No.  They don’t.

There are a lot of breakthrough cases happening currently.  If this thing keeps being managed to cases its not going to be “over” for quite some time.

Right. Some of the people focused on case counts have covid zero tunnel vision. Focus on the new admit rates, hospitalizations, and deaths. Focus on the capacity of the healthcare system.  That was always the real issue.  

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8 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

covid is shifty little beast 

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-delta-variant-has-affected-our-ability-to-reach-herd-immunity

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02854-3

Thanks. Didn't realize that US was just barely above 50%. I wonder how many people are just needing a second shot to get them fully on board. 

I'd be interested to hear any thoughts on how the current "size" of our planet might have in how this whole thing has played out and will continue to play out. By "size" I'm referring to travel/mobility/interconnectedness. If this had happened 100 years ago it would have traveled by ship and then over land etc... slowly spreading. As it is COVID seemingly wrapped a good bit of the planet in just a few months. Does that mean potentially it will burn thru the majority of the population more quickly? Does that mean less chance for odd variants in its rapid transit? More? Do SARS types burn themselves out thru mutation or get squashed by immunity? Sorry for all the open ended questions that just lead to more questions, I'm just sitting here wondering what we can expect the world to look like pandemic-wise 3 or 4 years from now.

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2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

I think a number of us said in the beginning that the way we get out of this is effective vaccination and a therapeutic that makes this like getting a bad case of the flu.  We have the vaccines, and now it looks like we might be on the cusp of an even more effective therapeutic (We already had a possibility with the Merck pill).  This is all excellent.  

 

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7 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I think a number of us said in the beginning that the way we get out of this is effective vaccination and a therapeutic that makes this like getting a bad case of the flu.  We have the vaccines, and now it looks like we might be on the cusp of an even more effective therapeutic (We already had a possibility with the Merck pill).  This is all excellent.  

 

Last piece would seem to be widely-available, affordable rapid at-home tests. Wake up feeling under the weather and worried it might be COVID? Take a quick test. Pop positive and head down to the pharmacy for an anti-viral that same day. Avoid hospital entirely.

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5 minutes ago, Storm the Field said:

Last piece would seem to be widely-available, affordable rapid at-home tests. Wake up feeling under the weather and worried it might be COVID? Take a quick test. Pop positive and head down to the pharmacy for an anti-viral that same day. Avoid hospital entirely.

Go get a BinaxNOW kit (2 tests) at your Walgreen's, CVS, etc.  About $25.  It's not perfect, but it's something.

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20 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I think a number of us said in the beginning that the way we get out of this is effective vaccination and a therapeutic that makes this like getting a bad case of the flu.  We have the vaccines, and now it looks like we might be on the cusp of an even more effective therapeutic (We already had a possibility with the Merck pill).  This is all excellent.  

The therapeutic component is of course vital, but it pisses me off that it gives 30% or so of our population even more reason not to get vaccinated.

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9 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

The therapeutic component is of course vital, but it pisses me off that it gives 30% or so of our population even more reason not to get vaccinated.

Oh, I agree.  Personally, I think you have a tiered pricing system.  Vaccinated and get COVID (test positive with your at home test), come get your antiviral for free or for a very small cost ($10) from your local pharmacy.

Unvaccinated and you get it (let's be clear, those that are unvaccinated are probably also highly unlikely to take a home test, but let's pretend that they will), that will be $100.

Obviously, these are just illustrative, but the point is, those who CHOOSE to remain unvaccinated will pay more for their insurance.  They should also pay more out of pocket for treatment.  Fuck them.

 

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17 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Go get a BinaxNOW kit (2 tests) at your Walgreen's, CVS, etc.  About $25.  It's not perfect, but it's something.

It needs to be cheaper, to be honest.  For a lot of folks, 25 for 2 tests is expensive.  It should be something like $5 a test, or maybe even $2 a test.  Then again, I am a person that believes condoms and tampons/pads should either be free or not cost as much as they do.  

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18 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Maybe CDC needs to recalibrate their thresholds for the use of different colors, cause this isn't really resolving anything.  Other than the south and Texas appear to be doing better than everyone else atm.

 

 

What’s your issue here?  Next you are going to say you had a problem with the Homeland Securtiy Advisory System color chart.

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