CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

He should just have the US lend him some special border patrol shock troops, like DJT used.

“But that was different” GIF.

Which ones are those? 
 

I mean if you want to be real, having a porous border is closer to deserving of emergency status than a prolonged peaceful protest in your capital. 
 

A little pushback here 
 

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

21 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

You’re the modern day left. Party of the elite, looking to punish the working class that are engaged in peaceful protest. It’s not about health it’s about power. 
 

I’d like to see where you think I’ve incited rebellion against the USA. The amount of delusion on this forum grows daily.  

No I’m a normal person. You’re an asshole troll. Fuck you forever. 

[Neonmoon 38127]

47 minutes ago, Caponata said:

Um, long-term isolating can cause or increase a host of mental health issues & even relapses. To call everyone from children to adults who had negative effects from isolation "pussies" and to just bootstrap it is a weak response. And no I don't believe the Repubs are arguing in good faith but isolation effects are real. 

 Even your straw man arguments are dumb 

[Neonmoon 38127]

1 hour ago, smoky said:

And schools...

What would your data point / local metric be that would give families the option to send their kids to school in a mask or not?


 

Most schools are rescinding the mask mandates. If not now, they will be soon.
What point are you trying to make?

[workswithseed 2036]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

I know.  I try to steer clear of the seed kid too, but sometimes it gets the better of me.  You can do it, I promise.

Do you eat cereal with a fork? You seem like you do.

I don't get your "but Trump!" here, when I even said that black bagging people was bad. This isn't good either.

[henrygandorf 29176]

i agree it’s kinda bullshit how the virus statistics decided to decline right around the time when mask mandates were set to be lifted.

it was bullshit when it happened in 2021 too. 

[smoky 837]

14 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Most schools are rescinding the mask mandates. If not now, they will be soon.
What point are you trying to make?

Yeah, I'm not really seeing those reversals.  I'm seeing folks dig in deeper.  

i.e. Today, DC announced they're lifting their indoor mandate for basically everywhere but schools.  

Nearby Virginia state congressmen voted along party lines today to keep/ lift the state school mask mandate.

I pointed upthread about the fuzziness in the Michigan data for districts with mandates vs ones without.

The point I'm trying to make is that I can't think of a reason that you would enforce a mask mandate at schools that you wouldn't also enforce everywhere else.

I asked the question because I haven't seen "If we get to X, we'll lift the mandate for schools."   We actually got to that threshold back in the fall, but because APH never moved us to Stage 2, the mask mandate in schools stayed in effect.   

Most reasonable people would say, well as long as the hospitalization is low OR as long as the death rate for kids is X%, we don't need to mandate masks in schools.

In Austin, where I am, with three fully vaccinated kids in AISD schools I don't see the need to mask them up.  I also don't see AISD moving to 'masks optional' any time soon because they aren't guided by data.

If we're going to "follow the science" as Dr Elizalde put it in December, we need to have metrics and offramps that coincide with those metrics.  We shouldn't go by polling or whether you're taking a picture with Magic Johnson or whether you're in a 4th grade classroom.  Either masks work and we need to mandate and enforce it everywhere or drop the charade.  We shouldn't be following the science of Summer 2020 now that vaccinations are ubiquitous.

And the beauty with options is, if you want to mask your child in a properly fit-tested N95 respirator, you can do that.

 

 

[Neonmoon 38127]

9 minutes ago, smoky said:

Yeah, I'm not really seeing those reversals.  I'm seeing folks dig in deeper.  

i.e. Today, DC announced they're lifting their indoor mandate for basically everywhere but schools.  

Nearby Virginia state congressmen voted along party lines today to keep/ lift the state school mask mandate.

I pointed upthread about the fuzziness in the Michigan data for districts with mandates vs ones without.

The point I'm trying to make is that I can't think of a reason that you would enforce a mask mandate at schools that you wouldn't also enforce everywhere else.

I asked the question because I haven't seen "If we get to X, we'll lift the mandate for schools."   We actually got to that threshold back in the fall, but because APH never moved us to Stage 2, the mask mandate in schools stayed in effect.   

Most reasonable people would say, well as long as the hospitalization is low OR as long as the death rate for kids is X%, we don't need to mandate masks in schools.

In Austin, where I am, with three fully vaccinated kids in AISD schools I don't see the need to mask them up.  I also don't see AISD moving to 'masks optional' any time soon because they aren't guided by data.

If we're going to "follow the science" as Dr Elizalde put it in December, we need to have metrics and offramps that coincide with those metrics.  We shouldn't go by polling or whether you're taking a picture with Magic Johnson or whether you're in a 4th grade classroom.  Either masks work and we need to mandate and enforce it everywhere or drop the charade.  We shouldn't be following the science of Summer 2020 now that vaccinations are ubiquitous.

And the beauty with options is, if you want to mask your child in a properly fit-tested N95 respirator, you can do that.

 

 

I don’t care enough to provide examples of states and schools that have dropped mask mandates. It is happening. It may not be happening in Austin yet, but it will eventually. You can’t expect a place that elected Fitlump to run smoothly

[smoky 837]

4 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I don’t care enough to provide examples of states and schools that have dropped mask mandates. It is happening. It may not be happening in Austin yet, but it will eventually. You can’t expect a place that elected Fitlump to run smoothly

And that's fair... I can't argue with that.

Would Mayor Neonmoon have a mask mandate for K-12 schools right now?

[Kringelbert Fishtybuns 943]

The difference between the Fall and now is the availability of vaccines for all school age children.  Therefore, AISD will have much less cover to continue the mandate at lower local transmission.  If I was supreme leader, once this peak ends I would drop the mandate with the option to reimpose if local transmission was threatening school operation (too many teachers getting sick/no subs available).

Elizalde has had many blunders so far, but at this point she has to keep people from leaving the district while saying she is following science.  I’m sure AISD has numbers showing the where parents fall on the issue, so I would imagine this would be a “follow the money” decision.

[StassneyHorn 6538]

Guys, COVID is dead. Thank you Joe Biden. Your children wont be wearing masks in schools in August/ September.

[Neonmoon 38127]

13 hours ago, smoky said:

And that's fair... I can't argue with that.

Would Mayor Neonmoon have a mask mandate for K-12 schools right now?

No. 

And I thank you for supporting my campaign 

[Incredulity 11564]

16 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Guys, COVID is dead. Thank you Joe Biden. Your children wont be wearing masks in schools in August/ September.

You're Welcome?

[JimmyJames 12271]

It’s almost Easter! 

[yoladu 4067]

Omnicron has peaked, but jeez, but January 2022 was likely in the top 5 deadliest months for COVID....

...but you know.. la di da.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, yoladu said:

Omnicron has peaked, but jeez, but January 2022 was likely in the top 5 deadliest months for COVID....

...but you know.. la di da.

Yuck. 

[elfenix 34171]

Chris Crouch was anti-vaccine. Now his pregnant wife had covid, and he faced a terrible choice.

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Now, four years later, he was in a hospital intensive care room remembering their courtship as his wife lay unconscious, hooked up to a tangle of machines keeping her alive. Diana was 20 weeks pregnant, and he had a decision to make.

If doctors delivered the baby now, they told him, she would have the best shot at surviving. But the baby was so premature that it would almost certainly die. If Chris waited, he could lose them both.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/02/14/unvaccinated-pregnant-mom-covid-strokes-texas/

[4th&Five 41461]

2 minutes ago, elfenix said:

Chris Crouch was anti-vaccine. Now his pregnant wife had covid, and he faced a terrible choice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/02/14/unvaccinated-pregnant-mom-covid-strokes-texas/

 “God gave us our immune system and we can fight the viruses with our own immune system.”

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

nm, read the article

Edited February 15, 2022 by Longhorn_Fan68

[Huckleberry 32701]

15 hours ago, smoky said:

The point I'm trying to make is that I can't think of a reason that you would enforce a mask mandate at schools that you wouldn't also enforce everywhere else.

Do you actually know any children? Schools have always been disease breeding grounds because, surprise, kids absolutely suck at hygiene. Well before COVID schools have always been the #1 spreader of everything. 

[Brisketexan 104607]

Chris Crouch was anti-vaccine. Now his pregnant wife had covid, and he faced a terrible choice.

Now, four years later, he was in a hospital intensive care room remembering their courtship as his wife lay unconscious, hooked up to a tangle of machines keeping her alive. Diana was 20 weeks pregnant, and he had a decision to make.
If doctors delivered the baby now, they told him, she would have the best shot at surviving. But the baby was so premature that it would almost certainly die. If Chris waited, he could lose them both.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/02/14/unvaccinated-pregnant-mom-covid-strokes-texas/


I don’t have enough rage for this. I need a huge amount, and I’ve just run out. People are MAGAing themselves to death, and no matter how angry I am at them about their hideously destructive politics and how it hurts others, I’m maybe more enraged at what they are doing to themselves for the stupidest of reasons, because no matter what, they are my fellow humans and fellow Americans and they are fucking causing themselves horrible suffering and death (and hey, assholes, you also have kids at home who need you).
It’s beyond infuriating. And everything I expected to read was there: he’s a cop, his workplace is full MAGA and anti-vax, they stayed at the Trump hotel in Vegas, my immune system is my vaccine, we’re conservative Christians…all the boxes.
WHY? Fucking WHY?

JUST FUCKING STOP. But….they won’t.

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

 

[Dahobbs 17447]

38 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/02/14/unvaccinated-pregnant-mom-covid-strokes-texas/


I don’t have enough rage for this. I need a huge amount, and I’ve just run out. People are MAGAing themselves to death, and no matter how angry I am at them about their hideously destructive politics and how it hurts others, I’m maybe more enraged at what they are doing to themselves for the stupidest of reasons, because no matter what, they are my fellow humans and fellow Americans and they are fucking causing themselves horrible suffering and death (and hey, assholes, you also have kids at home who need you).
It’s beyond infuriating. And everything I expected to read was there: he’s a cop, his workplace is full MAGA and anti-vax, they stayed at the Trump hotel in Vegas, my immune system is my vaccine, we’re conservative Christians…all the boxes.
WHY? Fucking WHY?

JUST FUCKING STOP. But….they won’t.

That was a very good story. I'm glad both mother and child are ok for the most part. And the bit below reminds me why we shouldn't direct our anger at those that have been misled like this man or @workswithseed:

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Chris had never lost anyone close to him. And as he stared at his wife and saw her suffering, he couldn’t shake the question that kept popping into his head: “Was this my fault?”

During those long hours alone, he struggled with how strongly he had held to beliefs about the vaccines without really examining them. Increasingly, he felt a responsibility to warn others about his mistakes, so he began writing to friends, family and even strangers on Facebook, urging them to get the shots. Somewhere along the way, he got vaccinated himself.

 

We should direct our anger at people like @Immaculate Vibes, Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Abbott who know better, but feed the fire anyway. I just wish it didn't take  losing or nearly losing everything for people to wake up out of their stupor. 

Edited February 15, 2022 by Dahobbs

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

Just now, Dahobbs said:

That was a very good story. I'm glad both mother and child are ok for the most part. And the bit below reminds me why we shouldn't direct our anger at those that have been misled:

We should direct our anger at people like @Immaculate Vibes, Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Abbott who know better, but feed the fire anyway. I just wish it didn't take  losing or nearly losing everything for people to wake up out of their stupor. 

I don't think the bolded participant knew better

[Dahobbs 17447]

Just now, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I don't think the bolded participant knew better

He did after he nearly died. 

[We’reTexas 1468]

 

[jimmyjazz 45557]

It's mind-boggling how many people don't seem to realize that Canada is a whole 'nother country.

[lemonlime 5503]

Or that MLK was arrested many, many times.

[Brisketexan 104607]

Just now, lemonlime said:

Or that MLK was arrested many, many times.

And here's the real kicker -- while many of the arrests etc. in the Civil Rights movement were utter bullshit, sometimes, those arrests were actually just and legal by any test.  Because that's part of the deal when you choose civil disobedience -- you know you are breaking the law, and you know that there will be consequences.

My wife has participated in a few significant protests where part of the planning conversation among leadership was to determine who was willing to be arrested/go to jail, because there was a plan to, say, go into the Capitol Rotunda and sing hymns, and when asked to leave by Capitol Police, refuse.  Then, when they place you under arrest, peacefully submit, and go to the squad car singing the whole way.  And you'll get bailed out.

Arrests for civil disobedience is part of the deal.  Protesters on the left have known this for decades.  Fascinating that the right is just now fucking around and finding out that there's both geese and ganders.

[MoJames 8241]

Are you guys trying to tell me that MLK actually wrote "Letter from a Birmingham Jail" while arrested? I just assumed it had the best coffee.

[Brisketexan 104607]

1 minute ago, MoJames said:

Are you guys trying to tell me that MLK actually wrote "Letter from a Birmingham Jail" while arrested? I just assumed it had the best coffee.

Fair assumption.

The differences between the Birmingham jail and the typical Waffle House are imperceptible.

[Bama Chick 28596]

Or that MLK was arrested many, many times.

29 times

TWENTY NINE

[jimmyjazz 45557]

8 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

29 times

TWENTY NINE

No biggie.  Jail was a cakewalk for black dudes back then.

[HenryJames 65890]

55 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

29 times

TWENTY NINE

[HenryJames 65890]

 

[HenryJames 65890]

 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10145]

A month from now will be real indicator of things if government allows the masks on airplanes requirement to expire. Airlines will be pushing hard since it's the biggest issue they have been dealing with from an employee perspective.  Fauci has said no way ending anytime soon.  I could see it going either way - extending again or letting go.

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

 

[Incredulity 11564]

1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

A month from now will be real indicator of things if government allows the masks on airplanes requirement to expire. Airlines will be pushing hard since it's the biggest issue they have been dealing with from an employee perspective.  Fauci has said no way ending anytime soon.  I could see it going either way - extending again or letting go.

If no states are left with indoor mandates it's done.

[C-Man 27052]

21 hours ago, elfenix said:

Chris Crouch was anti-vaccine. Now his pregnant wife had covid, and he faced a terrible choice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/02/14/unvaccinated-pregnant-mom-covid-strokes-texas/

All I could think about when reading that article is how much was her total cost of care and how much of that burden is ultimately going to be picked up by you and me.

Infuriating.

[Brisketexan 104607]

1 minute ago, C-Man said:

All I could think about when reading that article is how much was her total cost of care and how much of that burden is ultimately going to be picked up by you and me.

Infuriating.

Oh, keep going.  There are a shitload of cases like this where one or both parents have died.  We end up having to pick up carrying costs on those kids who have lost their primary breadwinner, or are orphaned.  Current estimates are that 140,000 kids have lost a primary caregiver.  Not all of those were because of anti-vax idiocy, of course.....but some portion is.

It's maddening.  It's fucking insanity.  Suicide by oppositional defiance disorder, and let's make the rest of you pay for it!  There's not a single element of this type of story that shouldn't piss you off.

Unless, of course, you're MAGA, because being MAGA means never having to admit you were wrong.

[YChang 3430]

Hmm… from the article, “When you sit there and you see your wife on life support because of covid, you throw out politics,” says Chris Crouch, who now urges people to get vaccinated.”

And in the photograph, his cap… But damn. What a tough situation and how fortunate for them everyone pulled through more or less.

Edited February 16, 2022 by YChang

[Bama Chick 28596]

Hmm… from the article, “When you sit there and you see your wife on life support because of covid, you throw out politics,” says Chris Crouch

And that’s it in a nutshell.

They give a shit and do the right thing if it impacts them personally.

But they don’t give a fuck about anyone else’s wife or baby. THEN politics are paramount.

Fuck ‘em.

[The Royal We 3065]

6 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

 

And that’s it in a nutshell.

They give a shit and do the right thing if it impacts them personally.

But they don’t give a fuck about anyone else’s wife or baby. THEN politics are paramount.

Fuck ‘em.

Yea, this.  I'm glad this dude saw the light, but why do they have to touch the stove to actually admit that the motherfucker is hot!?  Maddening.

[lemonlime 5503]

10 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

 

And that’s it in a nutshell.

They give a shit and do the right thing if it impacts them personally.

But they don’t give a fuck about anyone else’s wife or baby. THEN politics are paramount.

Fuck ‘em.

 

This.  They went around Vegas, staying at a hotel, going to at least one show, presumably going to casinos and restaurants, and also presumably getting on a plane to get back to Houston.  All while unvaccinated and she was sick, just not sick enough to be in the hospital yet.  Fuck knows how many people's lives she put at risk.  The rest of us presumably paid for her extremely expensive medical care which involved an ECMO.  We'll presumably continue to pay for her medical care and disability since she suffered from a bunch of strokes as a result.  I'm all out of sympathy.  I hope those assholes continue to suffer for the rest of their lives.

[GopherRock 1765]

 

 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

51 minutes ago, C-Man said:

All I could think about when reading that article is how much was her total cost of care and how much of that burden is ultimately going to be picked up by you and me.

Infuriating.

It’s pretty clear you don’t work in healthcare. There’s insane amounts of money, resources and care wasted every damn day. That’s the last thing I would take from that article. 

[lemonlime 5503]

5 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

It’s pretty clear you don’t work in healthcare. There’s insane amounts of money, resources and care wasted every damn day. That’s the last thing I would take from that article. 

Sure.  So it's groovy to needlessly pay for well over $100k of healthcare for someone who could have avoided it with a shot that costs around $35.  Never mind the health care workers in the ICU, who were already exhausted, but had to clean up her shit for weeks.

I am completely out of sympathy.  

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

15 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

It’s pretty clear you don’t work in healthcare. There’s insane amounts of money, resources and care wasted every damn day. That’s the last thing I would take from that article. 

ah, so you are for socialism after all.

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

12 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

Sure.  So it's groovy to needlessly pay for well over $100k of healthcare for someone who could have avoided it with a shot that costs around $35.  Never mind the health care workers in the ICU, who were already exhausted, but had to clean up her shit for weeks.

I am completely out of sympathy.  

No. It’s not groovy. I’m just saying it’s the last thing I would take from that story. There’s stupid motherfuckers all day everyday that do stupid shit that costs us all a lot of money. Whether it’s ignoring diabetes and ending up with life threatening infections or on lifelong dialysis, or getting drunk and wrecking cars and people, or even families not letting go of relatives that are lost causes.
 

The human costs of the staff working hard to save them do suck, but the rest of it is all Monopoly money sloshing around. 

 

8 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

ah, so you are for socialism after all.

Uh that’s not what I said.