CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Skipper 6406]

14 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

 What I'd want to see is a very solid downward trend before I'm going to put a high confidence value on that prediction. 

Every wave of this pandemic has been the same.  Deaths lag hospitalizations which lag cases.  What are cases and hospitalizations doing in this country right now?  You don't call that a solid downward trend?

[Incredulity 11861]

2 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Every wave of this pandemic has been the same.  Deaths lag hospitalizations which lag cases.  What are cases and hospitalizations doing in this country right now?  You don't call that a solid downward trend?

"Juuuuuuust a couple more weeks"  ad-infintium

[aggie08 21733]

3 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

"Juuuuuuust a couple more weeks"  ad-infintium

Almost a million people are dead, and you're still trying to dunk on people with "two weeks" jokes? Awesome. This really is going to get transformed into "we were right all along" over the years, isn't it?

[JimmyJames 12271]

Right now the pandemic is busy killing off a bunch of idiotic anti vax trump supporters. With omicron now receding and infecting most everyone who is ever gonna get it the pandemic is largely over and certainly will be by Easter. Just like trump promised. 
 

There will still be variants and some more anti vaxer trump supporting idiots will kill themselves but hospitals won’t get overloaded and it will be time for society to move on. 

[Neonmoon 38130]

2 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

and seat belts. if they make you feel safer, sure, wear them. but what other people do shouldn’t be your concern. there will always be idiots who don’t know what’s best.

a lot of new science says it’s more dangerous to wear one in an accident. 

Exactly. It's a stupid argument. Why have laws if there isn't 100% compliance?

[Incredulity 11861]

3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Almost a million people are dead, and you're still trying to dunk on people with "two weeks" jokes? Awesome. This really is going to get transformed into "we were right all along" over the years, isn't it?

 

 

It will never be good enough for some.

[Dahobbs 18190]

18 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Every wave of this pandemic has been the same.  Deaths lag hospitalizations which lag cases.  What are cases and hospitalizations doing in this country right now?  You don't call that a solid downward trend?

And every time there has been another wave.  All I'm saying is I don't think it is unreasonable for a concert organizer to not be entirely confident that things will be better in April. It's probably better for them financially to cancel now rather than have to do it last minute. I'm not saying I'd make the exact same call if put in their shoes. I'm just saying I understand. 

Put in legal terms: I think more likely than not April is significantly better. 

But, I'm not willing to bet the house on it. 

[Incredulity 11861]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

I'm going to keep posting the excess death chart and reminding everyone that we are seeing multiple 911 events every week until that shit sinks in:

Which we can't stop.  The virus can not be "shut down".  

 

We flattened the curve, and then did fuck all to actually create enough hospital capacity to deal with surges.  

[Dahobbs 18190]

34 minutes ago, Skipper said:

And guess what, if a new variant shows up in March that evades ALL of this immunity?  We're all fucked.  Including those that are vaxed and boosted or 4X boosted.  So the Covidians won't have anyone to scream at (except I'm sure they will all blame the variant mutation on the dirty unvaxed so I guess they will have that going for them).

We'll all be fucked because the same idiots that have resisted doing anything to prevent deaths this go around would be even more resistant. 

[henrygandorf 29219]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

We flattened the curve, and then did fuck all to actually create enough hospital capacity to deal with surges.  

i admit i did not have "it's the hospitals' fault" on my bingo card.

[DigglerontheHoof 21516]

17 hours ago, Skipper said:

The thing about the mask debate is both sides are right.   By and large they aren't a big fucking deal and there has been way too much bitching and moaning about them from the right.   They are also largely worthless and complete Covid Theatre because anywhere that has a "mandate' of any kind doesn't require N95's or KN95's.  So the whole "you are putting me at risk" bitching and moaning from the left is also ridiculous because they can just wear an N95 and it doesn't fucking matter.

There have only been 2 instances the entire pandemic I've been annoyed with the mask rule.  A Vegas casino blackjack table when I was admonished for moving it down to sip my beer (so I took my $200 in winnings and went back to the bar area where of course there is zero mask requirement, go figure) and at a recent musical in Dallas where my wife and I had to pound drinks pre-show after learning you couldn't bring them into theatre because of mask "at all times" requirement.

So I guess that means I'm largely only anti-mask mandates to the extent they impact my ability to booze.  

 

If you'd been at a Trump casino, they'd have folded the next day. 

[Dahobbs 18190]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

Which we can't stop.  The virus can not be "shut down".  

 

We flattened the curve, and then did fuck all to actually create enough hospital capacity to deal with surges.  

If everyone were vaccinated, the surges wouldn't be that big of a deal.

[gmr548 16681]

if Texas secedes, will the Cowboys still be America's team?
 
 

Run by a geriatric; very few notable accomplishments or good decisions over the past 25 years despite unparalleled resources; constant internal soap opera; astounding ignorance displayed by the rank and file.

The Cowboys have never been America’s more so than they have since 2016.

[Dahobbs 18190]

15 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

 

 

It will never be good enough for some.

I'm not exactly sure what this is a graph of or why it ends in early 2021. 

[henrygandorf 29219]

2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

If everyone were vaccinated, the surges wouldn't be that big of a deal.

idiots to the rest of america:

[workswithseed 2201]

31 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Almost a million people are dead, and you're still trying to dunk on people with "two weeks" jokes? Awesome. This really is going to get transformed into "we were right all along" over the years, isn't it?

The science has changed.

[jimmyjazz 46976]

I think a lot of people have no concept of scale.  Only 90M Americans are boosted.  There are indications that omicron doesn't confer long-term immunity, at least to the degree alpha & delta did, except perhaps to omicron itself.

If we assume that fully vaxxed + boosted are the most protected Americans, then that leaves 240M Americans at risk, to varying degrees.  Even if we just consider unvaccinated people. that's 80M who are at significant risk.

At a rate of 2,000 deaths per day, that's 40,000 days to burn through the idiots.  Of course, that's not gonna happen.  Let's say it's only 2% who are truly at risk of dying.  That's 800 days, or over two years more of this shit.

I dunno, I get the fatigue and the "fuck 'em" attitude, but ultimately I can't align with that viewpoint.  It's just not in my makeup.  I don't want another million plus Americans dying.  Nope.

[wildcat09 29556]

46 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Lol. Welcome to “society”.  Same reason I have to pay for fucking junkies and can’t get rights. Take the good with the bad and all that.  

Yeah. Sounds completely different.  

What does this even mean?

[gmr548 16681]

What does this even mean?

It’s hard out here for the whites

[henrygandorf 29219]

3 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

The science has changed.

the right thinks that the country was finished around 1950 and all progress was at its height and there would be no more need to make changes.

science, climate, immigration, disease, civil rights, police.  i could go on, but i don't think i should have to.

evolve, people. 

[workswithseed 2201]

1 minute ago, gmr548 said:

It’s hard out here for the whites

Yeah, whites are over served. 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-crack-pipes-racial-equity/

 

[henrygandorf 29219]

4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

What does this even mean?

 

[workswithseed 2201]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

the right thinks that the country was finished around 1950 and all progress was at its height and there would be no more need to make changes.

science, climate, immigration, disease, civil rights, police.  i could go on, but i don't think i should have to.

evolve, people. 

Good that you think so too.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34079]

pretty much how I envision anti-mask/vax people

 

[henrygandorf 29219]

14 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Good that you think so too.

oh, and education.

[Dutchrudder 11228]

33 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Which we can't stop.  The virus can not be "shut down".  

 

We flattened the curve, and then did fuck all to actually create enough hospital capacity to deal with surges.  

Really?

Nurses and doctors don't really grow on trees, it's not like a huge amount of them needed to staff more ERs and ICUs are already trained by working in other industries. Although many large cities have been importing them from other countries by offering large amounts money and signing bonuses to entice them. This does mean they are likely leaving their home country understaffed as a consequence, but hey, who cares about those poors, right?

There have been plenty of instances of field hospitals setup throughout the pandemic. Houston had one at the football stadium parking lot that was setup in cooperation with the military, but it never saw any patents because the surge didn't get as bad as expected. It cost like 12m dollars to do, was taken down eventually, and wasn't there when it was needed during the Delta surge. It's hard to predict how many people will actually need the services, and it's expensive both monetarily and politically to do so if it doesn't meet the community's needs. 

[RDCanecutter 26853]

2 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

you ever been to a show? do you know what a tour is? bands are trying to come in from other countries but they either cannot get out of their country or into ours. the tour was supposed to start later this month and go for a few months. it's not just predicting what will happen in April, these are real-world restrictions right now. if the vast majority of people had done the fucking bare minimum - which they couldn't even bring themselves to do - then we would be having a very different conversation right now.

So this is some foreign band that likely hates our freedoms. 

I'll be keeping an eye on you.

[workswithseed 2201]

2 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Really?

Nurses and doctors don't really grow on trees, it's not like a huge amount of them needed to staff more ERs and ICUs are already trained by working in other industries. Although many large cities have been importing them from other countries by offering large amounts money and signing bonuses to entice them. This does mean they are likely leaving their home country understaffed as a consequence, but hey, who cares about those poors, right?

There have been plenty of instances of field hospitals setup throughout the pandemic. Houston had one at the football stadium parking lot that was setup in cooperation with the military, but it never saw any patents because the surge didn't get as bad as expected. It cost like 12m dollars to do, was taken down eventually, and wasn't there when it was needed during the Delta surge. It's hard to predict how many people will actually need the services, and it's expensive both monetarily and politically to do so if it doesn't meet the community's needs. 

Sucks that we then said the unvaccinated nurses and doctors had to leave, and the vaccinated ones got to stay and work even if they had COVID.

[RDCanecutter 26853]

1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

Lol. Welcome to “society”.  Same reason I have to pay for fucking junkies

Hope you wear a rubber.

[fattyflattie 4640]

1 minute ago, RDCanecutter said:

Hope you wear a rubber.

I’m not a sailor, sir. 

[RDCanecutter 26853]

4 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I’m not a sailor, sir. 

Don't call me "sir," I work for a living-- oh, wait.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34079]

totes normal

 

[Skipper 6406]

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

"Juuuuuuust a couple more weeks"  ad-infintium

You realize both the Covidians and Covidiots make fun of that line right?    I mean Greenspoint was consistently 2 weeks away from the world ending in March/April 2020 ("Game Over").

[Skipper 6406]

59 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

 There are indications that omicron doesn't confer long-term immunity, at least to the degree alpha & delta did, except perhaps to omicron itself.

What are these indications? Honest question. Have not seen anything evidencing that (which would make sense as not sure how we could know that yet) but have not even seen this speculation.

[Biff Tannen 46061]

1 hour ago, workswithseed said:

The science has changed.

Your brain is broken.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34079]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

Your brain is broken.

I'm not convinced it ever worked. It's a lemon. Send it back

[workswithseed 2201]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

Your brain is broken.

I'm not so sure yours isn't either.

[Bama Chick 28596]

Which we can't stop.  The virus can not be "shut down".  
 
We flattened the curve, and then did fuck all to actually create enough hospital capacity to deal with surges.  

From someone who’s been working her ass off in a hospital this entire time -

[washparkhorn 9967]

2 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

There will still be variants and some more anti vaxer trump supporting idiots will kill themselves . . .

It’s nature’s way . . .

[jimmyjazz 46976]

41 minutes ago, Skipper said:

What are these indications? Honest question. Have not seen anything evidencing that (which would make sense as not sure how we could know that yet) but have not even seen this speculation.

All I've read about are lab studies (mice).  I haven't read the studies, just the media reports.  It's entirely possible their results are wrong, or don't convey to humans.  That said, they claimed to have found that delta conferred better immunity against delta and omicron than omicron did to the same.  Could be nothing.

[Sawbonz 28081]

5 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Fuck anti vaxers and anyone who has helped prolong this shit. Found out this morning that yet another show i had tickets to April is now canceled. I've been doing my part and being good. I'd like to go to a fucking show, but the "muh freedoms" assholes won't allow it

Why cancel a show in April? Sounds like they are using Covid as an excuse for something else

[Sawbonz 28081]

3 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

I can hope that it will be. And I suppose I could make a reasonable prediction that it will be. But I wouldn't set my confidence at anything significantly above 50%. And if I'm the person that is going to be responsible for a concert where thousands of people are going to congregate, I might not be willing to rely on that assumption/prediction. Again, folks have been claiming from the very beginning that this thing is just going to peter out any day now. I think I'm justified in being skeptical of anyone who has a high degree of confidence in that conclusion at this point. What I'd want to see is a very solid downward trend before I'm going to put a high confidence value on that prediction. 

Absent a breakout variant that causes much more severe disease this shit is over. I’m 90% confident that is what we will see. Hospitals are wide open for elective cases. Reported infections from the omicron surge are plummeting and hospitalized, ICU, and deaths will follow. Anyone canceling a nationwide or worldwide tour at this point is worried about shit other than Covid

[Longhorn_Fan68 34079]

7 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Why cancel a show in April? Sounds like they are using Covid as an excuse for something else

I answered that already

[Sawbonz 28081]

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

There are indications that omicron doesn't confer long-term immunity, at least to the degree alpha & delta did, except perhaps to omicron itself.

Link? There is no rational basis to think this would be correct. 

[4th&Five 41904]

1 hour ago, workswithseed said:

I'm not so sure yours isn't either.

[Sawbonz 28081]

7 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I answered that already

What tour?

[jimmyjazz 46976]

5 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Link? There is no rational basis to think this would be correct. 

Here's a news article.  I'm not aware of whether there has been peer review, etc.  It's possibly just a snapshot, and it could be wrong.  You're much more adept than I at reading between the lines.

Omicron immunity

 

Quote

In hopes of finding an answer, Ott and other researchers exposed lab mice to different variants and found being infected with the previously-dominant Delta variant induced broad immunity against both Delta and Omicron. Catching Omicron, the team found, didn't have the same effect, only shielding mice from an Omicron reinfection.

 

[Sawbonz 28081]

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Here's a news article.  I'm not aware of whether there has been peer review, etc.  It's possibly just a snapshot, and it could be wrong.  You're much more adept than I at reading between the lines.

Omicron immunity

 

 

I don’t put much stock in non clinical studies. If we see a re-emergence of Delta after omicron burns out then that study will have some credence. That’s not generally how these things work though 

Edited February 9, 2022 by Sawbonz

[Incredulity 11861]

1 hour ago, Skipper said:

You realize both the Covidians and Covidiots make fun of that line right?    I mean Greenspoint was consistently 2 weeks away from the world ending in March/April 2020 ("Game Over").

[jimmyjazz 46976]

8 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I don’t put much stock in non clinical studies. If we see a re-emergence of Delta after omicron burns out then that study will have some credence. That’s not generally how these things work though 

Right, it's backward-looking.  "Omicron doesn't confer strong immunity against Delta".  OK.  We probably won't be dealing with Delta again.