CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[RDCanecutter 26258]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

You know damn well the Rs will.

And the gazpacho was cold too.

[safe sex 11678]

31 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Missing out imo!

[Skipper 6103]

3 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

It's going to be so fun when measles and polio are running rampant throughout the country because the GOP repeals all vaccine requirements. 

I do think this is a real concern.  Which is a big part of the reason I feel strongly about nixing mandates when they no longer make sense.  Or only making "official" recommendations that clearly provide a benefit to the individual (i.e., the "should get boosted" recommendation for 12-17 or what is likely about to occur with under 5).  In an alternate world where a mandate was never put in place at any level, and messaging was clear about risk (i.e., we think they are safe for everyone but here is age and co-morbidity threshold where risk increases dramatically).  Do we really think vaccine intake would be significantly less?  Impossible to know but I don't.   

I mean it's pretty clear at this point 2 huge risk factors are age and obesity.  But the latter has never been a real part of public messaging because it's "fat shaming".  Would honest messaging on that point helped?

I just think the more you mandate or have a sweeping approach to vaccine recs the more people are dug in and the more you aren't honest and open about risks and benefits, the more govt distrust.   Which of course more likely we're going to have a MASSIVE reduction in vax rates for all other important pediatric vaccines (whether by MAGA repeal or otherwise).  

[fattyflattie 4636]

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

Still trying to figure out what this even means.

You’ve never heard of a “can’t get right”?  Someone who despite having every advantage (born able bodied in US) can’t ever get their shit together. No matter how many mulligans they get.  There’s always a reason why they couldn’t finish school, why they couldn’t keep that job, why they couldnt make that appointment. Just a rain cloud that follows them.  Someone who literally “can’t get anything right”.  

[Guest Lobo]

1 hour ago, trauma babe said:

It's concept/promo art for the film Phantom Thread, which I encourage you to watch if you've never seen it. The acting, directing, photography, fashion, and fully-clothed eroticism is all top notch. 

 

I wish nurses got to wear outfits like it to work! I'm a haute couture poseur because I get paid even less now than I did as a trauma ICU nurse, but I aspire to have a closet full of labels like Penelope's is. 

Now that I get the original poster shot, I see it.  Where the model is kinda angled to her left but kinda looking off to her right.  I saw the "head" more pointed to its body's right with the beak mask thing pointing towards like 7 or 8 o'clock.  And then the skinny head/neck thing perching up from there.  The whole thing being a cloak with the shadow behind it.  Holy shit Lobo, tell us you're insane and haven't been to the movies in three years without telling us you're insane and haven't been to the movies in three years.  

 

[RDCanecutter 26258]

10 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

You’ve never heard of a “can’t get right”?  Someone who despite having every advantage (born able bodied in US) can’t ever get their shit together. No matter how many mulligans they get.  There’s always a reason why they couldn’t finish school, why they couldn’t keep that job, why they couldnt make that appointment. Just a rain cloud that follows them.  Someone who literally “can’t get anything right”.  

Dude, I never judged you. I'd appreciate the same consideration back.

[wildcat09 29237]

15 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

You’ve never heard of a “can’t get right”?  Someone who despite having every advantage (born able bodied in US) can’t ever get their shit together. No matter how many mulligans they get.  There’s always a reason why they couldn’t finish school, why they couldn’t keep that job, why they couldnt make that appointment. Just a rain cloud that follows them.  Someone who literally “can’t get anything right”.  

I've never heard it used as a compound noun before. Seems like a pretty good term for certain kinds of people though. 

[elfenix 34171]

1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

You are the minority both on this site and in your party in regards to this.  Unvaxxed=any and all problems that can’t be blamed on Trump.   But between those two, 100% of the blame should reside. 

you do know that biden's "vaccine mandate" was essentially the same system ganandorf was describing, right?  (well, at least in the former post, if not the latter)

(also @babysdaddy)

26 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I mean it's pretty clear at this point 2 huge risk factors are age and obesity.  But the latter has never been a real part of public messaging because it's "fat shaming".  Would honest messaging on that point helped?

obesity as an issue is something that's taken decades to build and isn't going to be fixed in a time frame relevant to this pandemic.  it'd require restructuring vast swathes of society to address and considering we can't even get people to wear paper masks when out in public i doubt we'd be able to tackle the right's new favorite whatabout

 

25 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

You’ve never heard of a “can’t get right”?  Someone who despite having every advantage (born able bodied in US) can’t ever get their shit together. No matter how many mulligans they get.  There’s always a reason why they couldn’t finish school, why they couldn’t keep that job, why they couldnt make that appointment. Just a rain cloud that follows them.  Someone who literally “can’t get anything right”.  

probably needed quotes or hypens to bring it together.  the way you used it, it sounded like you couldn't get rights. 

Edited February 10, 2022 by elfenix

[JimmyJames 12271]

Wait is somebody arguing that the pandemic got prolonged because we didn’t want to engage in “fat shaming?” 
 

Holy shittastic take Batman! 
 

“ I refuse to get the vax” - some dipshit trumpkin 

“Ok. Well you’re fat. So no more food for you fatty.” - The Government 

“Socialism! Mark of the beast! Pizza parlors.” - every fucking GQPr

[Sawbonz 27424]

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

It’s told us that for awhile.  Sub 40 polling changed the plan. 

Um hospitalizations literally peaked last week 

[JimmyJames 12271]

12 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Um hospitalizations literally peaked last week 

Yep. Dipshits just can’t understand when rational people make rational decisions based on facts. 

[Skipper 6103]

1 minute ago, elfenix said:

obesity as an issue is something that's taken decades to build and isn't going to be fixed in a time frame relevant to this pandemic.  it'd require restructuring vast swathes of society to address and considering we can't even get people to wear paper masks when out in public i doubt we'd be able to tackle the right's new favorite whatabout

 

My point wasn't really about "fixing the problem".  I agree no idea how to tackle that.  It's more about precise messaging that "if you are obese your risk, at every age group, is multiples of non-obese peers, so you better fucking get the vaccine".   All of us that have followed the data appreciate obesity as a major risk factor.  But I kind of doubt average joe american fully appreciates it.   What made me think of that was I recently saw the story of a 10 or 12 year old girl that died and it included a pic and she was overweight.  It included some quote about not getting vaccinated yet as they didn't think kids were high at risk.   Well, he was right, except you know who is at much higher risks in that age group?  Kids like his daughter.  It was sad and made me wonder if more precise messaging would have helped.  

[henrygandorf 29174]

any similarities between charts and graphs displaying scientific/medical data and covid restrictions are purely coincidental.

[JimmyJames 12271]

6 minutes ago, Skipper said:

My point wasn't really about "fixing the problem".  I agree no idea how to tackle that.  It's more about precise messaging that "if you are obese your risk, at every age group, is multiples of non-obese peers, so you better fucking get the vaccine".   All of us that have followed the data appreciate obesity as a major risk factor.  But I kind of doubt average joe american fully appreciates it.   What made me think of that was I recently saw the story of a 10 or 12 year old girl that died and it included a pic and she was overweight.  It included some quote about not getting vaccinated yet as they didn't think kids were high at risk.   Well, he was right, except you know who is at much higher risks in that age group?  Kids like his daughter.  It was sad and made me wonder if more precise messaging would have helped.  

More precise messaging would certainly have helped. The problem is the GQP doesn’t give ONE SINGLE FUCK about helping the country and is a profit driven propaganda spewing right wing hate machine that does absolutely nothing but go on the attack to scare people into giving them some more money.
 

Do let us know when you have the solution to that. 

[elfenix 34171]

the other concern about messaging at the obese population is that it might make us skinnies think it doesn't affect us. and considering how much noise already existed along the lines of "it's just people with comorbidities" i'm not sure that's something you'd want to encourage when you're looking at herd immunity being 80%+.

Edited February 10, 2022 by elfenix

[wildcat09 29237]

Yeah, a message that would be heard by many as “it’s only really a danger for fat people” sure wouldn’t have been great at encouraging most people to get vaccinated. I bet a majority of overweight Americans don’t even think they’re fat at all because they don’t look like they need a rascal to get around.

[RDCanecutter 26258]

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

Yeah, a message that would be heard by many as “it’s only really a danger for fat people” sure wouldn’t have been great at encouraging most people to get vaccinated. I bet a majority of overweight Americans don’t even think they’re fat at all because they don’t look like they need a rascal to get around.

They think they are healthy. That is the exact word they use.

[HenryJames 65889]

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

I bet a majority of overweight Americans don’t even think they’re fat at all because they don’t look like they need a rascal to get around.

[Insert Surly BMI discussion here.]

[HornOnTheBayou 8881]

3 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

[Insert Surly BMI discussion here.]

No, no, no. Anything but that. We need to change the topic quickly. Hey, what do y'all think about Major Applewhite and Chris Simms?

[Biff Tannen 45492]

6 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

[Insert Surly BMI discussion here.]

Please no

[Guest Lobo]

The whole "healthy and beautiful at any weight" thing seemed to have died down for a couple years before Covid, at least in my experience.  But then it reared its ugly head again during Covid and the vaccine phase when the same obese people were saying "I don't need the shots, I am healthy and eat well and exercise."  And all I could think that in hindsight it was a lot cooler when they just wanted 250# women in bikinis in commercials instead of killing their family members during a pandemic.  Take two more casting spots on "Us" if that means y'all will get the fucking booster.  

[HenryJames 65889]

Is that good?

[Dahobbs 17445]

2 hours ago, Skipper said:

My point wasn't really about "fixing the problem".  I agree no idea how to tackle that.  It's more about precise messaging that "if you are obese your risk, at every age group, is multiples of non-obese peers, so you better fucking get the vaccine".   All of us that have followed the data appreciate obesity as a major risk factor.  But I kind of doubt average joe american fully appreciates it.   What made me think of that was I recently saw the story of a 10 or 12 year old girl that died and it included a pic and she was overweight.  It included some quote about not getting vaccinated yet as they didn't think kids were high at risk.   Well, he was right, except you know who is at much higher risks in that age group?  Kids like his daughter.  It was sad and made me wonder if more precise messaging would have helped.  

Yeah guys, the government and the media haven't told anyone about this obesity thing!

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html

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Obesity is a common, serious, and costly chronic disease. Having obesity puts people at risk for many other serious chronic diseases and increases the risk of severe illness from COVID-19. Everyone has a role to play in turning the tide against obesity and its disproportionate impact on racial and ethnic minority groups.

Obesity Worsens Outcomes from COVID-19

Adults with excess weight are at even greater risk during the COVID-19 pandemic:

• Having obesity increases the risk of severe illness from COVID-19. People who are overweight may also be at increased risk.
• Having obesity may triple the risk of hospitalization due to a COVID-19 infection.
• Obesity is linked to impaired immune function.2,3
• Obesity decreases lung capacity and reserve and can make ventilation more difficult.4
• A study of COVID-19 cases suggests that risks of hospitalization, intensive care unit admission, invasive mechanical ventilation, and death are higher with increasing BMI.5
• The increased risk for hospitalization or death was particularly pronounced in those under age 65. 5
• More than 900,000 adult COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred in the United States between the beginning of the pandemic and November 18, 2020. Models estimate that 271,800 (30.2%) of these hospitalizations were attributed to obesity.6

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/health/covid-fat-obesity.html

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The Coronavirus Attacks Fat Tissue, Scientists Find

The research may help explain why people who are overweight and obese have been at higher risk of severe illness and death from Covid.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/09/27/remarks-by-president-biden-while-receiving-a-covid-19-booster-shot/

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Remarks by President Biden While Receiving a COVID-⁠19 Booster Shot

And last week, they laid out who is eligible for those boosters for now.  You’re eligible for a booster if it’s been six months since your second Pfizer shot and if you fall into one of these categories: people over 65, which is hard to acknowledge — adults — I’m only joking folks; adults with certain underlying health conditions like diabetes and obesity; and those who are at increased risk of COVID-19 because of where you work or where you live, like healthcare workers, teachers, first responders, grocery store clerks. 

If you fall under these categories, you’re eligible for the booster.  Now, I know it doesn’t look like it, but I am over 65 — I wish I — way over.  And that’s why I’m getting my booster shot today. 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/inside-the-links-between-covid-19-and-obesity-122424389974

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Obesity is one of the comorbidities that exacerbate the effects of Covid-19 but the disease has been its own epidemic since before the pandemic began. NBC News' Maura Barrett examines the links between the two diseases.

https://www.axios.com/trump-coronavirus-severe-infection-risk-age-obesity-eeb2ee99-ddeb-4362-871f-08c300f1cd5f.html

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Age, obesity put Trump at high risk for severe coronavirus infection

The state of play: People older than 65 are at a particularly high risk for serious infection or death. Trump is 74.

Obesity is at the top of the CDC's list of underlying conditions that seem to make coronavirus infections worse. Trump’s body mass index, as recorded in his last two annual physicals, put him just over the line into obesity.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53921141

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Being obese doubles the risk of hospital treatment from Covid-19 and increases the risk of dying by nearly 50%, a global analysis suggests.

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2021/03/08/biden-administration-to-invest-250-million-in-effort-to-encourage-covid-19-safety-and-vaccination.html

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Biden Administration to Invest $250 Million in Effort to Encourage COVID-19 Safety and Vaccination Among Underserved Populations

Racial and ethnic minority populations experience higher rates of cases, hospitalizations and deaths related to SARS-CoV-2 infection. Social determinants of health, such as housing, education and work conditions, contribute to these disparities. Underlying chronic conditions, such as kidney disease, diabetes and obesity, are more prevalent among minority populations and increase the risk of severe COVID-19 illness.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 10, 2022 by Dahobbs

[jimmyjazz 45555]

13 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Is that good?

He's quoting Dog BMI.  Multiply by 18.

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

2 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

Yeah guys, the government and the media haven't told anyone about this obesity thing!

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/obesity-and-covid-19.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/health/covid-fat-obesity.html

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/09/27/remarks-by-president-biden-while-receiving-a-covid-19-booster-shot/

https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/inside-the-links-between-covid-19-and-obesity-122424389974

https://www.axios.com/trump-coronavirus-severe-infection-risk-age-obesity-eeb2ee99-ddeb-4362-871f-08c300f1cd5f.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53921141

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2021/03/08/biden-administration-to-invest-250-million-in-effort-to-encourage-covid-19-safety-and-vaccination.html

 

 

 

I wonder if Biden has gotten a fourth shot yet? He’s over four months out from booster. 

[Dahobbs 17445]

3 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

I wonder if Biden has gotten a fourth shot yet? He’s over four months out from booster. 

Fuck you anti vaxxer. You literally have killed people by being a piece of shit. 

Edited February 11, 2022 by Dahobbs

[RDCanecutter 26258]

2 hours ago, Bravo said:

OK, everyone state their BMI. Honor system. 

Before or after I ate lunch at Taco Casa?

[BradInATX 9208]

I've never heard it used as a compound noun before. Seems like a pretty good term for certain kinds of people though. 

The wrong kind


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[workswithseed 2036]

 

 

[maninblack 7974]

2 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

 

 

Yep hope the idiot brigade is happy for ruining kids lives 

Edited February 11, 2022 by maninblack

[BradInATX 9208]

 
 

That was actually a video of kids learning that the casinos stopped letting their dads spend their disability checks at the sportsbook. They get shoes this winter.

[Anastasis 23394]

[BradInATX 9208]

[Neonmoon 38127]

1 hour ago, maninblack said:

Yep hope the idiot brigade is happy for ruining kids lives 

Lol

[HenryJames 65889]

 

[Hefeweizen 5307]

40 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Librul stats.  Real men know Fauci ouchies don’t work and natural immunity is the way to go.

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

I know there hasn’t been much focus on this, but Canadian government freezing more funds intended to support peaceful protestors.

 

[Guest Lobo]

7 hours ago, workswithseed said:

 

 

I thought the kid in the foreground in the grey hoodie was gonna toss that chair and start a mini-riot.  I think that was partially staged but still cute as hell to watch.  

Good timing.  Our ISD has made is optional but strongly encouraged.  At this point, about 1/3rd of my daughter's class still wears one, including her.  And she's had two shots and had Covid.  So we told her this morning...starting Monday---no more masks...and she smiled and was happy about the news, but she said this that made me swell up with pride and love...After she smiles and claps, she said, "These things are so itchy, but I'll still wear it if it'll keep my friends from feeling how I felt when I was home from school."  And I told her she had done more than her part in keeping her friends healthy and that made her swell up with pride.  And I commented, "I'm sorry you had to wear it so long, I know it was annoying.  But I am so proud of you for doing it this whole time...I get why you're so happy."  but she just smiled again and said she was happy for not having to wear it anymore, but really happy for the rest of her class that Covid is almost over.  She genuinely cares about others, not just when it suits her.  Obviously her mom's doing a great job raising her, hopefully I won't fuck it up too bad.  

But cheers to all you parents out there who for 18-24 months, every single morning, have had to remember, "Lunch?  Backpack?  Water bottle?  Oh, and Mask?"  They whine about a lotta crap in the mornings to get out the door, but one thing she didn't whine about was the mask because she knew mommy and daddy wore them to protect others around us, and that was the one thing she took great pride in.  She wore it correctly and I never even bothered to ask...but she did it for her classmates.  She'd make a fine infantry officer one day.  

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

8 hours ago, workswithseed said:

 

 

They’re just happy that their parents won’t have to worry about them masking anymore. They’d be fine wearing them forever. 

[Beau Vine 54000]

 

[jimmyjazz 45555]

Looked like a book burning in process.  Go ahead, Ricky, burn that Bible.

[Neonmoon 38127]

14 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

 

Another man perverting the words of religion out of fear. 

He's so scared of the world

[Skipper 6103]

15 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

Yeah guys, the government and the media haven't told anyone about this obesity thing!

 

I'm low on time and not making my point well.  Larger point is people largely don't trust anything the govt is saying.  So true there was some messaging on that. There's also been CDC recs that healthy teenagers "should get boosted".  Which got bigger headlines?  I don't know. Boy who cried wolf and what not.  I just wonder if countries with higher vax uptake have had more consistent, honest messaging about risks instead of blanket recs for things that also don't really move the needle.   I don't really know what the answer is.  And maybe most of it is a byproduct of MAGA and Social Media nonsense and it doesn't matter what the Govt says. 

I just know I've personally gone from someone that took everything the CDC stated as the pure "gold standard" day 1 to rolling my eyes at half the shit that is coming out by now and inherently questioning everything.  Like I saw a recent "observational" mask study CDC touting decreased risk of infection among those that always wears either cloth, surgical or N95 masks indoors.   I mean JFC, what other behavioral differences might there be between someone that always wears an N95 mask vs someone that doesn't? 

Edited February 11, 2022 by Skipper

[babysdaddy 2718]

2 hours ago, Hefeweizen said:

Librul stats.  Real men know Fauci ouchies don’t work and natural immunity is the way to go.

I had not heard 'Fauci ouchie' yet and I just want to say thanks.  

[Dahobbs 17445]

29 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I'm low on time and not making my point well.  Larger point is people largely don't trust anything the govt is saying.  So true there was some messaging on that. There's also been CDC recs that healthy teenagers "should get boosted".  Which got bigger headlines?  I don't know.  I just wonder if countries with higher vax uptake have had more consistent, honest messaging about risks instead of blanket recs for things that also don't really move the needle.   I don't really know what the answer is.  And maybe most of it is a byproduct of MAGA and Social Media nonsense and it doesn't matter what the Govt says. 

I just know I've personally gone from someone that took everything the CDC stated as the pure "gold standard" day 1 to rolling my eyes at half the shit that is coming out by now and inherently questioning everything.  Like I saw a recent "observational" mask study CDC touting decreased risk of infection among those that always wears either cloth, surgical or N95 masks indoors.   I mean JFC, what other behavioral differences might there be between someone that always wears an N95 mask vs someone that doesn't? 

I think you made you're point perfectly well. It is just a fallacious one.

You complained government messaging on obesity and Covid wasn't clear. So, I showed you information regarding obesity and covid-19 that is available on the CDC's website that has been there for some time and is accessible to all.

You said the government should focus on recommending vaccination for the obese.  So, I showed you a tweet from over a year ago telling the obese of the dangers and recommending vaccination. And I showed you direct statements by Biden (while getting a booster of all things) encouraging those with obesity to get vaccinated.  

You said public messaging about obesity wasn't done because it would be seen as fat shaming. So, I showed you all the above plus numerous articles and videos from mainstream media warning of the associations between obesity and severe covid-19 illness. 

Personally, it just seems like you're looking for a reason to be mad at the CDC and the government rather than looking at what as actually transpired. The reason a bunch of idiots don't realize that the obesity is a severe risk factor or that vaccination will help them isn't because of lack of messaging by Biden or the CDC (at least since Biden's administration took over). And it isn't because mainstream media hasn't covered this topic ad nauseum. It is because prominent members of the Republican party and charlatans have taken to spreading lies, fear, and doubt. And then, you have people like Peter Attia talking out their ass about a topic he hasn't actually bothered to inform himself about because it gets views. And then reasonable people like you see all this, lose track of cause and effect, and decide the best course of action is just doubt everything. 

Your last line is a great example of this. Have you actually bothered to read the CDC study on masks?

Here it is: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

Some select bits on the methodology of the study, notably that it a case-control study where infected and non-infected individuals were matched over a number of criteria, including being in an indoor public setting:

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Well-fitting face masks and respirators effectively filter virus-sized particles in laboratory conditions (2,3), though few studies have assessed their real-world effectiveness in preventing acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection (4). A test-negative design case-control study enrolled randomly selected California residents who had received a test result for SARS-CoV-2 during February 18–December 1, 2021. Face mask or respirator use was assessed among 652 case-participants (residents who had received positive test results for SARS-CoV-2) and 1,176 matched control-participants (residents who had received negative test results for SARS-CoV-2) who self-reported being in indoor public settings during the 2 weeks preceding testing and who reported no known contact with anyone with confirmed or suspected SARS-CoV-2 infection during this time.

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This study used a test-negative case-control design, enrolling persons who received a positive (case-participants) or negative (control-participants) SARS-CoV-2 test result, from among all California residents, without age restriction, who received a molecular test result for SARS-CoV-2 during February 18–December 1, 2021 (5). Potential case-participants were randomly selected from among all persons who received a positive test result during the previous 48 hours and were invited to participate by telephone. For each enrolled case-participant, interviewers enrolled one control-participant matched by age group, sex, and state region; thus, interviewers were not blinded to participants’ SARS-CoV-2 infection status. Participants who self-reported having received a previous positive test result (molecular, antigen, or serologic) or clinical diagnosis of COVID-19 were not eligible to participate. During February 18–December 1, 2021, a total of 1,528 case-participants and 1,511 control-participants were enrolled in the study among attempted calls placed to 11,387 case- and 17,051 control-participants (response rates were 13.4% and 8.9%, respectively).

After obtaining informed consent from participants, interviewers administered a telephone questionnaire in English or Spanish. All participants were asked to indicate whether they had been in indoor public settings (e.g., retail stores, restaurants or bars, recreational facilities, public transit, salons, movie theaters, worship services, schools, or museums) in the 14 days preceding testing and whether they wore a face mask or respirator all, most, some, or none of the time in those settings. Interviewers recorded participants’ responses regarding COVID-19 vaccination status, sociodemographic characteristics, and history of exposure to anyone known or suspected to have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 in the 14 days before participants were tested. Participants enrolled during September 9–December 1, 2021, (534) were also asked to indicate the type of face covering typically worn (N95/KN95 respirator, surgical mask, or cloth mask) in indoor public settings.

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Adjusted odds ratios comparing history of mask-wearing among case- and control-participants were calculated using conditional logistic regression. Match strata were defined by participants’ week of SARS-CoV-2 testing and by county-level SARS-CoV-2 risk tiers as defined under California’s Blueprint for a Safer Economy reopening scheme.† Adjusted models accounted for self-reported COVID-19 vaccination status (fully vaccinated with ≥2 doses of BNT162b2 [Pfizer-BioNTech] or mRNA-1273 [Moderna] or 1 dose of Ad.26.COV2.S [Janssen (Johnson & Johnson)] vaccine >14 days before testing versus zero doses), household income, race/ethnicity, age, sex, state region, and county population density. Statistical significance was defined by two-sided Wald tests with p-values <0.05. All analyses were conducted using R software (version 3.6.1; R Foundation). This activity was approved as public health surveillance by the State of California Health and Human Services Agency Committee for the Protection of Human Subjects.

And, the fun bit is the study explicitly recognized that despite those controls, it couldn't account for other that behavior that may contribute to a influencing risk of infection

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The findings in this report are subject to at least eight limitations. First, this study did not account for other preventive behaviors that could influence risk for acquiring infection, including adherence to physical distancing recommendations. 

So what exactly is your bitch here? Every study has fucking limitations. You do what you can to gather the best data available, do your analysis, and then discuss limitations. That's what they did here. This looks like pretty fucking run of the mill, responsible science. 

Wake the fuck up and stop giving into the FUD from the morons. 

 

 

Edited February 11, 2022 by Dahobbs

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

52 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

 

Looks like a bearded Hinkley Jr in that video. Kinda the same vibe too.

 

[HenryJames 65889]

2 hours ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

I know there hasn’t been much focus on this, but Canadian government freezing more funds intended to support peaceful protestors.

 

You don't get to shut down an international bridge and disrupt another country's auto industry without consequences.

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

11 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

You don't get to shut down an international bridge and disrupt another country's auto industry without consequences.

Lot of large dollar anonymous/dark money donors that love to push money to platforms.

Edited February 11, 2022 by Mrs Whiggins
Over 1/3 are coming from non-Canadian sources (CBC News)

[Neonmoon 38127]

18 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

You don't get to shut down an international bridge and disrupt another country's auto industry without consequences.

You're responding to a disingenuous troll. He just finds Fox News talking points and posts them all day long. 

[Guest Lobo]

I’m getting the impression a lot of MAGA/no-vax Texas men are digging themselves in further on the obesity/vaccine messaging because they’ve realized the easiest way to get out of their marriage to their 300 pound wife is not divorce, but to have her die unvacc’d from Covid.  And he can still collect life insurance and remain divorce-free in the eyes of the Church.  A rather elegant and cheap solution with no jail time