CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Shocker 

Shocker.

[DDD Dad 14,643]

On 10/25/2022 at 9:39 AM, jimmyjazz said:

Sorry to hear that.  Too late for Tamiflu?

I'm leaning towards getting a flu vaccine before I get the bivalent booster.  I assume I still have "some" immunity from my July booster followed by August infection.

Got the flu shot about 3 weeks ago.  5th Pfizer shot yesterday.  No side effects (fingers crossed).

On 10/25/2022 at 9:49 AM, Anastasis said:

That's the approach I have taken.  Flu shot already in the arm.  Slow playing any further boosting. 

 

On 10/26/2022 at 12:01 PM, Anastasis said:

Early surveillance would certainly suggest its in play.  Cases spiking early.  Get your flu shots people.

 

On 10/26/2022 at 5:33 PM, Sawbonz said:

Get your flu shot yesterday. Shit is hitting early this year

This.

[Willfully Horn 8,257]

On 10/30/2022 at 12:15 PM, Bama Chick said:

Shocker, this article and the report it’s based on are full of mistranslations, misinterpretations, and shoddy methodology and conclusions.

Here’s three threads that explain.

 

 

 

(^Chinese-Anerican data scientist)

 

 

 

 

 

(^Virologist and professor)

 

 

 

 

 

(Journalist who reports on media bias and misinformation)

 

 

Shocking.

Two anecdotal points.

First, I read that the flu and RSV can overwhelm those children who contracted long covid.  It was one tweet, I haven’t checked tor more info, but the author claimed the number of kids needing hospital care was alarmingly high. I hope that account was an outlier.

Also, I had a preliminary doctor’s visit today (time to check plumbing and whack weeds,) and their sign read that masks were no longer required, but to please be kind to those patients who chose to wear a mask. 

I laughed.

[safe sex 11,979]

Got my flu and updated COVID booster at the same time last week. No ill effects from either. Feels good 🤷‍♀️

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

Since we all contracted Omicron variant just prior to the booster being available, we're holding off per CDC guidelines and will go in another month-and-a-half but we all received the flu shot in October as we do every year.

[Willfully Horn 8,257]

Circling around to note that RSV (and flu) are indeed overwhelming children’s hospitals across the country, and across the world.

‘This Is Our March 2020’: Children’s Hospitals Are Overwhelmed by R.S.V.

A drastic and unusually early spike in the respiratory infection is swamping pediatric units across the United States, causing long waits for treatment and worries about winter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/science/rsv-children-hospitals.html
 

The NYT doesn’t report a link to long covid. Instead, the dramatic spike in respiratory  illnesses is blamed on the sheltering practiced during the pandemic.

The good news is that an RSV vaccine is reportedly being considered for release.

 

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[HenryJames 67,322]

Covid deniers are branching out.

Really ghoulish shit here.

[jimmyjazz 47,122]

I guess a Stanford medical degree ain't what it used to be.  Dr. Pierre must have skipped "how to read a graph day" in undergrad, too.

[Skipper 6,411]

8 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

Circling around to note that RSV (and flu) are indeed overwhelming children’s hospitals across the country, and across the world.

‘This Is Our March 2020’: Children’s Hospitals Are Overwhelmed by R.S.V.

A drastic and unusually early spike in the respiratory infection is swamping pediatric units across the United States, causing long waits for treatment and worries about winter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/science/rsv-children-hospitals.html
 

The NYT doesn’t report a link to long covid. Instead, the dramatic spike in respiratory  illnesses is blamed on the sheltering practiced during the pandemic.

The good news is that an RSV vaccine is reportedly being considered for release.

 

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Posted about this in the DT thread but witnessed this level 1 in Dallas with my son last week.  6+ hour wait in ER for something non-respiratory but potentially very serious.  It was insane and depressing the number of sick kids.  My son had to be admitted and we became part of the problem as there were no staffed beds so we had to stay in an ER bed overnight.  It was clear that was the reason for our long wait and it just kept backing up.  I left for a few hours to take care of the dog and when I got back around 7:30AM the big board indicated numerous people had been waiting 12+ hours in ER.  Doc's confirmed the primary issue was RSV but now seeing flu (not much COVID).

[HenryJames 67,322]

 

[Anastasis 23,716]

Now running 4/5 flu a in the household. Gonna appropriately medicate and crash out upstairs watching election results come in. Haven’t been sick in 3 years. Sucks so far. 

[GreenspointTexas 9,950]

Just crossed over 1.1 million deaths in US. Good news is, cases deaths and cases still dropping and we are in the longest lull between waves of the entire pandemic/endemic (4 months between spikes/increases). 

 

 

Winter is gonna be interesting. Either a nothing burger or a small spike?

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Wowsa.

That’s a lot!

Stay off the cruises, ffs.

[HenryJames 67,322]

[HenryJames 67,322]

 

[Brisketexan 106,874]

8 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

It's.

All.

About.

The grift.

All of it.  Crypto.  Frontline doctors.  MAGA.  Everything you hear from that crowd -- and it's the same people pushing all of these things - is tied to grift.
 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Brisketexan

[jimmyjazz 47,122]

[Anastasis 23,716]

Is that a picture of @triplehorn?

[Anastasis 23,716]

 

[jimmyjazz 47,122]

On 11/14/2022 at 10:51 AM, Anastasis said:

Is that a picture of @triplehorn?

It would be nice if this were @triplehorn:

[jimmyjazz 47,122]

Monoclonal antibody treatments are becoming less effective

[NameAlreadyInUse 5,169]

Gotta be honest, I was excited about the prospect of a hot underwear model making an appearance in this thread. Then I went and looked. Did that bitch have COVID because she has no fucking taste. 

[Spankytoes 1,748]

I’m not a COVID vaccine conspiracy theorist, but…

Just got home Tuesday night after 3+ months in hospitals and nursing homes. The shorthand version is that I had 8 separate strokes and heart attacks while backing up my car from my driveway. My heart stopped 3X and I had to be brought back via CPR and the paddles. I spent my first 2 weeks in a coma and on a ventilator. The doctors gave me a 99% chance of not living through that first night. I’m now on dialysis 3X a week and doing PT/OT so I can walk again unassisted. I don’t do drugs and only socially drink every few months. Had 2 Pfizer shots in 2021 and my Pfizer booster on MLK day in 2022. Had my first hospital stint in Feb. 2022 for 4 days because my gait was off and I couldn’t walk straight without a cane. Started this latest stint in August. Turns out I had a blood clot in my leg that spread to my lungs and brain. I’ve been on various blood thinners up until a few days ago to get rid of the clot. I’ll be 44 in January and am in good health beyond Type 2 diabetes, which is now the most controlled that it ever has been. My resting heart rate is between 110-153 bpm and my blood pressure is all over the map.

I’ve been told a myriad of different theories by doctors on how this happened. However, I have read a few different articles that hit a little too close to home. Apparently, people that have received the Pfizer shots/boosters have an increased risk for the following side effects: heart attacks, strokes, unusual blood clots and kidney failure. These are the exact same symptoms that I experienced. Coincidence? Perhaps. I just wish we had more data on what we are injecting into our bodies and the long term effects. Despite following “the rules” I’ve had COVID 2X that I’m aware of.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/06/moderna-covid-19-vaccines-safety-slightly-bests-pfizers
 

“Relative to the Moderna group, Pfizer recipients had an excess per 10,000 people of 10.9 ischemic strokes (95% confidence interval [CI], 1.9 to 17.4), 14.8 heart attacks (95% CI, 7.9 to 21.8), 11.3 other abnormal blood clotting (95% CI, 3.4 to 17.7), and 17.1 cases of kidney injury (95% CI, 8.8 to 30.2).

The corresponding risk ratios for Pfizer versus Moderna were 1.17 (95% CI, 1.03 to 1.28) for ischemic stroke, 1.32 (95% CI, 1.16 to 1.49) for heart attack, 1.20 (95% CI, 1.05 to 1.32) for other blood-clotting events, and 1.16 (95% CI, 1.08 to 1.29) for kidney injury.

In analyses that didn't exclude COVID-19–related adverse events, estimated risk differences were only marginally higher except for that for pneumonia, which rose from 5.9 (95% CI, −2.9 to 12.7) to 20.9 (95% CI, 11.4 to 29.5) events per 10,000 participants.

In the 14 days after the first vaccine dose, the estimated risk of adverse events were low and comparable between the groups. In the first 42 days, the estimated risks were also low, but relative to Moderna recipients, Pfizer recipients had excess abnormal blood-clotting events (1.8; 95% CI, 0.2 to 4.2), heart rhythm abnormalities (7.5; 95% CI, 1.9 to 11.5), and kidney injuries (3.8; 95% CI, 2.1 to 8.0) per 10,000 people.”

[jimmyjazz 47,122]

I'm not sure I follow the timeline, but regardless, I hope you continue to mend.  That sounds awful.

[Willfully Horn 8,257]

59 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not sure I follow the timeline, but regardless, I hope you continue to mend.  That sounds awful.

I echo your well wishes. Feel obliged to point out that covid attacks all bodily organs, and, there is concern that multiple covid exposures have a cumulative effect.

At any rate, I see why Spanky is suspicious of the vaccine. But, I do wish folks remain as concerned about the virus, too.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Willfully Horn
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[Humble Beast 258]

On 11/24/2022 at 9:08 PM, Spankytoes said:

I’m not a COVID vaccine conspiracy theorist, but…

Just got home Tuesday night after 3+ months in hospitals and nursing homes. The shorthand version is that I had 8 separate strokes and heart attacks while backing up my car from my driveway. My heart stopped 3X and I had to be brought back via CPR and the paddles. I spent my first 2 weeks in a coma and on a ventilator. The doctors gave me a 99% chance of not living through that first night. I’m now on dialysis 3X a week and doing PT/OT so I can walk again unassisted. I don’t do drugs and only socially drink every few months. Had 2 Pfizer shots in 2021 and my Pfizer booster on MLK day in 2022. Had my first hospital stint in Feb. 2022 for 4 days because my gait was off and I couldn’t walk straight without a cane. Started this latest stint in August. Turns out I had a blood clot in my leg that spread to my lungs and brain. I’ve been on various blood thinners up until a few days ago to get rid of the clot. I’ll be 44 in January and am in good health beyond Type 2 diabetes, which is now the most controlled that it ever has been. My resting heart rate is between 110-153 bpm and my blood pressure is all over the map.

I’ve been told a myriad of different theories by doctors on how this happened. However, I have read a few different articles that hit a little too close to home. Apparently, people that have received the Pfizer shots/boosters have an increased risk for the following side effects: heart attacks, strokes, unusual blood clots and kidney failure. These are the exact same symptoms that I experienced. Coincidence? Perhaps. I just wish we had more data on what we are injecting into our bodies and the long term effects. Despite following “the rules” I’ve had COVID 2X that I’m aware of.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/06/moderna-covid-19-vaccines-safety-slightly-bests-pfizers
 

“Relative to the Moderna group, Pfizer recipients had an excess per 10,000 people of 10.9 ischemic strokes (95% confidence interval [CI], 1.9 to 17.4), 14.8 heart attacks (95% CI, 7.9 to 21.8), 11.3 other abnormal blood clotting (95% CI, 3.4 to 17.7), and 17.1 cases of kidney injury (95% CI, 8.8 to 30.2).

The corresponding risk ratios for Pfizer versus Moderna were 1.17 (95% CI, 1.03 to 1.28) for ischemic stroke, 1.32 (95% CI, 1.16 to 1.49) for heart attack, 1.20 (95% CI, 1.05 to 1.32) for other blood-clotting events, and 1.16 (95% CI, 1.08 to 1.29) for kidney injury.

In analyses that didn't exclude COVID-19–related adverse events, estimated risk differences were only marginally higher except for that for pneumonia, which rose from 5.9 (95% CI, −2.9 to 12.7) to 20.9 (95% CI, 11.4 to 29.5) events per 10,000 participants.

In the 14 days after the first vaccine dose, the estimated risk of adverse events were low and comparable between the groups. In the first 42 days, the estimated risks were also low, but relative to Moderna recipients, Pfizer recipients had excess abnormal blood-clotting events (1.8; 95% CI, 0.2 to 4.2), heart rhythm abnormalities (7.5; 95% CI, 1.9 to 11.5), and kidney injuries (3.8; 95% CI, 2.1 to 8.0) per 10,000 people.”

Good luck on your recovery. It takes some guts to share your story like that here. Since this happened I’m sure you’ve heard similar stories about other people. I’m just glad our society is past the hysteria where people were getting fired if they refused the shots or were receiving them under duress. 
 

Hopefully there is long term follow up ongoing. Excess deaths are still elevated around the world. What contribution comes from people deferring medical care for a year or two? Sequelae from Covid infection? Vaccine related issues?

[Anastasis 23,716]

26 minutes ago, Humble Beast said:

I’m just glad our society is past the hysteria where people were getting fired if they refused the shots or were receiving them under duress. 

Those mandate discussions that played out here hit a little different once all the data has become a bit more settled.

 

The FDA and WH are pushing out disinformation at this point. Their heart is in the right place, but it is absolutely absent supporting scientific data and only further undermines the credibility of the regulators. Jessica Adams is a good twatter follow on all regulatory affairs. She has been very consistent about pointing out where the FDA and WH have gone off the rails with their messaging. Not just related to vaccines, but paxlovid and a variety of other topics as well. 

https://twitter.com/RxRegA 

 

At any rate, I am of the view that we need to continue to push money warp speed style into nasal vaccine development.  A booster that stimulates IgA in the mucosa (and therefore offers the potential for a sterilizing immunity) will move the needle. The mRNA vaccines were a revolutionary development, and they continue to have promise, but at least in terms of COVID they are not going to get us over that last hump.   

[DigglerontheHoof 21,548]

Hope your recovery goes well, Spanky.  Good luck, dude. 

[jimmyjazz 47,122]

11 hours ago, Anastasis said:

At any rate, I am of the view that we need to continue to push money warp speed style into nasal vaccine development.  A booster that stimulates IgA in the mucosa (and therefore offers the potential for a sterilizing immunity) will move the needle. 

[Humble Beast 258]

17 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Those mandate discussions that played out here hit a little different once all the data has become a bit more settled.

 

The FDA and WH are pushing out disinformation at this point. Their heart is in the right place, but it is absolutely absent supporting scientific data and only further undermines the credibility of the regulators. Jessica Adams is a good twatter follow on all regulatory affairs. She has been very consistent about pointing out where the FDA and WH have gone off the rails with their messaging. Not just related to vaccines, but paxlovid and a variety of other topics as well. 

https://twitter.com/RxRegA 

 

At any rate, I am of the view that we need to continue to push money warp speed style into nasal vaccine development.  A booster that stimulates IgA in the mucosa (and therefore offers the potential for a sterilizing immunity) will move the needle. The mRNA vaccines were a revolutionary development, and they continue to have promise, but at least in terms of COVID they are not going to get us over that last hump.   

She’s a good follow. 
 

related:

 

 

[Anastasis 23,716]

6 hours ago, Humble Beast said:

She’s a good follow. 
 

related:

 

 

#mememonday from the regulators is not a good look. This is clown shit. I have no doubt that the rank and file at the FDA are doing their best and have good intentions. They come up with nonsensical requests from time to time, but you can at least understand where they are coming from and know that they have good intentions.  FDA posting memes on twitter is some next level garbage that undermines their ability to carry out their charge and makes them a laughing stock.     

[Anastasis 23,716]

Update flu chart btw.

[Trey3216 15,452]

[Bozo_Casanova 26,840]

Public health policy during a pandemic should be determined by partisan political types and the social media content they view as representative of key constituencies.

[Biff Tannen 46,150]

That's some clown shit bro @Trey3216

[Bozo_Casanova 26,840]

10 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

That's some clown shit bro @Trey3216

He’s right you know dot gif

Edited December 2, 2022 by Bozo_Casanova

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11,669]

A lot of talk that China is about to go through it pretty bad.  1MM deaths in the short term likely.  They did a good job of keeping their population from getting sick last time, so this time there are no built up immunities and the transfer rate is so high - R in the mid teens - that they're not going to be able to keep people from getting it.

[HenryJames 67,322]

 

[Celery Man 21,093]

I’ve not been paying a whole bunch of attention but was getting slightly alarmed about China covid headlines. Is the idea (which is what the previous posts suggest) that they’re getting hammered by whatever the latest variant because they escaped a lot of the mid pandemic carnage? Or is part of this that there exists a new worse variant that is fucking shit up over there and that we will eventually deal with here?

[TexArcher 39,037]

Jesus, those poor people.

And Republicans will cheer that Chinese people are finally suffering from the China Virus.  Watch.

[Celery Man 21,093]

If it’s thing one, I figure the message will be “hurr durr herd immunity”

[Hefeweizen 5,443]

Yeah they’re going to have herd immunity and if it costs them 1 percent of their population that’s fine now because their economy is shitting itself.  The supply chain issues are getting worse and long term the one thing China can’t afford is to lose a large chunk of its manufacturing, which is coming.

[HenryJames 67,322]

It’s probably from all the pee pee they put in Cokes.

[Biff Tannen 46,150]

Holy fuck have y’all read the thread in the football forum about the Air Force kid that died?  We have WAY too many anti-vaxx morons on this site.  Reads like fucking texags. 

[Don Johnson 4,847]

2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Holy fuck have y’all read the thread in the football forum about the Air Force kid that died?  We have WAY too many anti-vaxx morons on this site.  Reads like fucking texags. 

FWIW, the main poster discussing it (spanytoes) brought the same discussion to this thread (actually on this page above).

[C-Man 27,777]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/17/us/isaac-danian-covid-missing-south-pacific/index.html

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They planned to ‘ride out the end of the world.’ They wound up lost at sea

By Randi Kaye and Anne Clifford, CNN

Published 11:25 PM EST, Tue January 17, 2023

CNN — 

Soon after his 20th birthday, Isaac Danian disappeared from his home in Grand Rapids, Michigan, in early September 2020, leaving behind a note for his younger siblings that warned them “do not get the vaccine” or “you won’t make it to heaven.”

His parents, Abigail and John Danian, told CNN that their son had grown paranoid during the pandemic. They say he started to believe that the Covid-19 vaccine was the government’s way of controlling the population, and that the Covid test was just as dangerous. Before he left home, his parents say, their son told them to sell all their belongings and move into a bunker.

Nearly a month after he disappeared, on October 4, 2020, Isaac Danian sent a text message with a picture of himself on a boat holding a giant fish he’d caught.

The family hasn’t heard from him since.

“He called to tell me that he was going to be off the grid for about 30 or so days and he wanted to make sure to call me and let me know. So that I wouldn’t spend those 30 days worrying about him,” his mother told CNN. Isaac did not say where he was going or who he was with.

“He said … it would be better if he didn’t,” Abigail Danian said, “but he always said I wish I could tell you.”

Recruited by a so-called guru

Isaac’s parents didn’t know at the time that before their son had left he had started following a so-called guru online named Matthew Mellow, who went by the name Mortekai Eleazar on social media. On his YouTube channel Mellow spread Covid misinformation, delivering sermons about what he says was Satan’s plan to destroy society and false claims about the Covid-19 vaccine, which he called the “mark of the beast.”

Mellow had posted a recruitment video online, seeking “able bodied men” to sail with him from Hawaii to the South Pacific where Covid hadn’t taken hold. In his video he suggested society was doomed.

Isaac Danian signed on for the trip and left home Labor Day weekend 2020 while his parents were out of town.

Only when his parents filed a missing persons report seven months later did they learn from an investigator with the Kent County Sheriff’s Office in Michigan that their son had been in communication with Mellow.

“This guru clown convinced them to fly to Hawaii and join him on this journey across a huge portion of the Pacific Ocean to find a Covid free place where they could start again and escape Satan’s grand plan,” author and journalist David Wolman, who first investigated this case for The New York Times, told CNN.

Mellow it turns out had arranged for a couple of boat captains to sail him and his recruits to the South Pacific. Danian and a second man, Shukree Abdul-Rashed, from Rochester, New York, would go in captain Mike Schmidt’s boat, while Mellow left days later in another boat with another captain.

“They actually had a really good time these two, caught a lot of fish,” Schmidt told CNN. At times, Schmidt says, the weather was challenging and the seas dangerous.

“One storm I actually had my nose broken on the wheel. The boat got picked up in the middle of the night and broke my nose. So we had some struggles but most of the time that we did sail we caught fish, we barbecued, it was beautiful weather.”

Schmidt told CNN they first headed to the Cook Islands, but it turned out they were closed for entry due to the pandemic. Given the dicey weather, he says he turned the boat toward American Samoa, but when they learned that they had to take a Covid test to enter, he says, his two passengers panicked, and threatened to jump off the boat.

They willingly jumped overboard, captain says

Schmidt says he decided to head about 300 nautical miles away to the island of Wallis, a French territory between Hawaii and New Zealand. That’s when the trip took a dark turn. After Schmidt alerted authorities about their arrival so they could anchor their boat, he told CNN, Danian and Abdul-Rashed suddenly jumped overboard.

“The reason why they jumped is because they don’t want to be on the boat. They want to get away from taking this Covid PCR test. They were afraid of taking the Covid test, as it being the mark of the beast now, they had gotten involved with the guru,” Schmidt said.

As soon as the men jumped, Schmidt told CNN, he alerted Wallis Island authorities for help, and flagged down a fishing boat to search. He said Danian’s plan was “to slip into oblivion with Abdul-Rashed and Matt Mellow and ride out the end of the world. The three of them… no ties back to the United States whatsoever.”

According to Wolman, the journalist, “They had been led astray by an Instagram era wanna-be prophet guru who spoke in just the right way and manner to draw these two young men in.” Wolman called it “the witches’ brew of Covid conspiracy, end times prophecy, Christian fundamentalism meets stress and turmoil about the 2020 election.”

Isaac Danian left home Labor Day weekend 2020 while his parents were out of town.

Mellow did not respond to CNN’s numerous requests for comment. CNN has reached out to Abdul-Rashed’s family for comment.

According to a French police report obtained by CNN, Schmidt was interrogated and authorities confiscated his 9-millimeter pistol, laptop and Garmin GPS device from the boat. Schmidt was eventually cleared in the investigation.

“I never did anything to harm them,” Schmidt told CNN.

At the time, dive teams searched the area for the men, but found nothing.

In addition to the missing persons report they filed, Danian’s parents have appealed to the State Department and French authorities for help. But there have been many challenges along the way.

“The problem is that it’s not just so far away, but it’s international. There’s a language barrier. We’re dealing with the French judiciary system,” John Danian told CNN. “It was on water, and it was a maritime type of an incident, so you have many different agencies and authorities trying to coordinate this effort.”

Over two years later, Abigail and John Danian are no closer to finding their son.

“We do have hope he’s alive because there hasn’t been any evidence to prove otherwise,” Abigal Danian told CNN. “It’s possible that he wanted to go off the grid and he’s in a manic state, it’s possible that he was unwillingly kidnapped. It’s possible that he drowned. If somebody said to you, your child probably died, would you just accept that and move on? That’s not something we can do.”

The guru winds up on an island

Just last week, the Danians received a letter from French authorities alerting them they were officially closing the investigation into his disappearance. The Danians are considering appealing the findings.

“The only determination that they could make was that both Isaac and Shukree had both jumped into the ocean and there were no remains found,” Abigail Danian told CNN. In the meantime, the Kent County Sheriff’s Office said its missing persons investigation is still open. Isaac’s family says they’ve also been told by the State Department there is some sort of “interagency investigation” underway but they are not sure who is involved.

As far as Mellow’s whereabouts, Wolman spoke with him several months after the men disappeared. The two met on an island in French Polynesia where Wolman says Mellow was living with his mother.

Isaac and his dad, John Danian, in 2018. Speaking of the challenges in finding his missing son, John Danian says, "The problem is that it's not just so far away, but it's international. There's a language barrier."

Courtesy Abigail Danian

“He printed out this leaflet with… kind of every religious extremism plus Covid conspiracy keyword you could imagine from 666 and mark of the beast to Illuminati to George Soros to Bill Gates and nanobots and it’s.. just like this verbal diarrhea of nonsense,” Wolman said. “He’s passing it out to the people in a very impoverished part of the world telling them or telling their children don’t get vaccinated.”

Did Mellow take any responsibility for what happened to Isaac Danian and Shukree Abdul-Rashed?

“He does not have any sense of responsibility for what happened to them,” Wolman said. “He refers to them as his brothers, saying they died in God’s good graces.”

Wolman said Mellow told him, “These were my dear friends. I loved them. I cried myself to sleep for months after they were gone.”

 

[aggie08 21,791]

5 hours ago, C-Man said:

where Wolman says Mellow was living with his mother

Of fucking course

[Aqua Buddha 14,803]

 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,305]

On 1/16/2023 at 11:08 AM, Don Johnson said:

FWIW, the main poster discussing it (spanytoes) brought the same discussion to this thread (actually on this page above).

This.  Spankytoes had a rough go of it this year, but blaming getting the vaccine is...yikes.

[HenryJames 67,322]

Type II diabetic who caught Covid twice, but it was the vaccine.