CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[DDD Dad 14268]

15 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

The government refusing the test from the WHO also leads to a shortage of tests. 

The government electing not to order ventilators while other countries do so (and thereby diverting capacity overseas) also leads to a shortage of ventilators.

[bolverk 29438]

8 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

The government electing not to order ventilators while other countries do so (and thereby diverting capacity overseas) also leads to a shortage of ventilators.

It should be considered criminal negligence.

Btw, vaguely speaking, what neighborhood and city do you live where the junior high is?

Nvm Saw your other post in DT

Edited March 17, 2020 by bolverk

[tx 3 putt 76474]

2 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

Silver lining to all the Trumpers not believing in this crisis and parroting their orange god’s ridiculous rambling from the last few weeks? There may be a lot fewer of them around in the future.

As a group, they can go fuck themselves  

[tx 3 putt 76474]

2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

sorry for partying !

[bad_teammate 13145]

If Trump can use this to get to our left now then the general is going to be a nightmare.

[Post Oak 20188]

2 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

 

It'll take them 2weeks to get them

[Thiefery 4970]

My neighbor came over asking if he could buy one of my Primo 5 gal water jugs ( I got a delivery last week).  I said sure but I don't need you to pay me, then he says he's tired of the news, the way they are attacking Our President is so wrong..  I told him it will be $10.

[Bama Chick 28596]

So this is what has Trump and McConnell willing to play ball.

Pelosi better take advantage - their collective asses are hanging out and they know it. Give it to them hard, long, and deep.

[David Dennison 18683]

5 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

If Trump can use this to get to our left now then the general is going to be a nightmare.

 

[Post Oak 20188]

Fuck em up Liz

Edited March 17, 2020 by Post Oak

[bad_teammate 13145]

Hell yes on that Booker/Brown plan. That's some good shit!!

[edit]

Bernie adds his emergency UBI plan

 

Edited March 17, 2020 by bad_teammate

[gmr548 16533]

56 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

About that Corporate Welfare for airlines - that's a NO from me. 

 

Yeah, hell no. They can get a loan with conditions along the lines of Liz's plan, or the government can get a stake in the company.

[Goredho 17356]

9 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Pelosi better take advantage - their collective asses are hanging out and they know it. Give it to them hard, long, and deep.

 

So you're saying, Trump, McConnell and the rest of the GOP should... just lay back and enjoy it?

[RomaVicta 29812]

2 minutes ago, Thiefery said:

My neighbor came over asking if he could buy one of my Primo 5 gal water jugs ( I got a delivery last week).  I said sure but I don't need you to pay me, then he says he's tired of the news, the way they are attacking Our President is so wrong..  I told him it will be $10.

Should have poured it out on the ground in front of him.

 

[gmr548 16533]

16 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

If Trump can use this to get to our left now then the general is going to be a nightmare.

Trump team has to know direct payments are their only shot at reelection at this point.

[tx 3 putt 76474]

Senate Republicans will drop Trump In A second if they can’t ride his coattails 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13555]

Democrats had already vastly scaled back their proposals for paid sick leave and paid family leave. Instead of covering all workers, millions were left out of the version of the bill passed over the weekend. Still, the original compromise bill included 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave for workers with COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, symptoms of COVID-19 or those caring for others who are sick.

 

Now, after the legislative text was updated, those family leave provisions in the bill are much weaker. Paid family leave would only be available to parents who are home with kids due to school closure. The extended leave wouldn’t be available for people who are sick with COVID-19. Those workers would only be able to take 10 days of paid sick leave ― and only if they work at a company with less than 500 employees. What’s more: Companies with fewer than 50 workers can apply for hardship relief and get out of providing both sick and family leave.

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/paid-sick-leave-in-coronavirus-bill-watered-down-even-more_n_5e70e52ec5b6eab7793d0ceb

[RomaVicta 29812]

1 hour ago, washparkhorn said:

About that Corporate Welfare for airlines - that's a NO from me. 

 

There will still be demand for air travel. Fuck these hogs. Let some other companies emerge in their places. Watch their precious stock crash.

You say you love the market, and the market winnows the weak? Welcome to the party, pal.

 

[Message Board User 12390]

 

[Gil Bang 25901]

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

So you're saying, Trump, McConnell and the rest of the GOP should... just lay back and enjoy it?

I don’t care if they enjoy it.

It’s “legitimate rape”.

[Gatorubet 30139]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

If Trump can use this to get to our left now then the general is going to be a nightmare.

 

Orange incompetent nanna killing mother fucker is about to get swamped 

[henrygandorf 29182]

20 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

So this is what has Trump and McConnell willing to play ball.

 

 

Pelosi better take advantage - their collective asses are hanging out and they know it. Give it to them hard, long, and deep.

 

as long as the economy was good (stock market/401k, unemployment numbers), trump/gop knew there would be plenty of voters out there saying, "yeah, they suck, but more money is good and i can ignore politics" and they'd have a good chance to win elections.

they're just now realizing that plan has some glaring holes in it.

[Bama Chick 28596]

And fuck the cruise lines along with the airlines.

They charter in foreign countries to avoid paying US taxes and avoid US regulations and laws.

They’re an even bigger “NOPE” than airlines and hotels.

[Ghost of LL 15495]

24 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

So this is what has Trump and McConnell willing to play ball.

 

 

Pelosi better take advantage - their collective asses are hanging out and they know it. Give it to them hard, long, and deep.

 

HB1.  That's all they have to do.  HB1.  

[4th&Five 41462]

3 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

Seems pretty deplorable. 

[Hank Scorpio 17724]

 

[gmr548 16533]

2 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

 

Orange incompetent nanna killing mother fucker is about to get swamped 

Believe me, I hope so, but the more I think about it, the more I think direct payments will really help him even if it's Democratic legislation.

I still support them because it's the right move but I'm starting to see a world where Trump is basically responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands, everyone knows it... And he still gets reelected.

[Gil Bang 25901]

Here's my 2 cents:

Airlines are critical, both for our national security, our commerce, and our way of life in general.  If 1 or more major carrier goes under, it's a problem.

If a hotel goes bust...well, somebody else will pick those properties up on the cheap.  The Hyatt downtown may not be a Hyatt anymore, but it will still be a hotel.

Fuck cruise ships.  If a cruise company goes bust, somebody else will buy their ships on the cheap, and cruises will still go on. 

[Gil Bang 25901]

3 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

HB1.  That's all they have to do.  HB1.  

please elaborate

Edited March 18, 2020 by Gil Bang

[Doc Sam Beckett 5785]

17 minutes ago, Goredho said:

So you're saying, Trump, McConnell and the rest of the GOP should... just lay back and enjoy it?

When you're the Speaker, they let you do it. 

[Ghost of LL 15495]

10 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

There will still be demand for air travel. Fuck these hogs. Let some other companies emerge in their places. Watch their precious stock crash.

You say you love the market, and the market winnows the weak? Welcome to the party, pal.

 

The "other companies" that will emerge will not be American start-ups.  They'll be foreign state-owned airlines, such as Emirates or China Southern.  

Frankly, no--I don't want to fly Hainan Airlines from Austin to El Paso (if I could get there at all).  The airlines are critical infrastructure.  

If you want to put conditions on the bailout akin to Elizabeth Warren's (e.g., no stock buy-backs, limits on executive bonuses), then I think that's fine.  The airlines are in no position to negotiate.  Nor should they even if they were in such position.

But keeping an American airline sector is critical to our economy and our national security.

[MidTexHorn 822]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

I don't understand why they can't test.  Meaning they don't have access to the test?

No clue. It was a short conversation. I got the distinct impression that she is trying not to rock the boat and is trying to “follow orders” so to speak. Maybe the higher ups know they don’t have the tests and are keeping that info from the front line providers. Whatever it is she was mega frustrated. My daughter in law is a nurse at Dell Children’s and she said she was not surprised by what my client was telling me. 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13555]

DeVos will buy a cruise ship outta goddamn boredom.

[Gatorubet 30139]

Just now, gmr548 said:

Believe me, I hope so, but the more I think about it, the more I think direct payments will really help him even if it's Democratic legislation.

I still support them because it's the right move but I'm starting to see a world where Trump is basically responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands, everyone knows it... And he still gets reelected.

Well, since the best guess is closer to three to five million deaths, we'll see how many dead old people you can kill for 2K and come out on everyone's good side.

 

[Huckleberry 32710]

4 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Here's my 2 cents:

Airlines are critical, both for our national security, our commerce, and our way of life in general.  If 1 or more major carrier goes under, it's a problem.

If a hotel goes bust...well, somebody else will pick those properties up on the cheap.  The Hyatt downtown may not be a Hyatt anymore, but it will still be a hotel.

Fuck cruise ships.  If a cruise company goes bust, somebody else will buy their ships on the cheap, and cruises will still go on. 

 

2 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

The "other companies" that will emerge will not be American start-ups.  They'll be foreign state-owned airlines, such as Emirates or China Southern.  

Frankly, no--I don't want to fly Hainan Airlines from Austin to El Paso (if I could get there at all).  The airlines are critical infrastructure.  

If you want to put conditions on the bailout akin to Elizabeth Warren's (e.g., no stock buy-backs, limits on executive bonuses), then I think that's fine.  The airlines are in no position to negotiate.  Nor should they even if they were in such position.

But keeping an American airline sector is critical to our economy and our national security.

Both of these are accurate, but they certainly raise the obvious question: if they're such critically important infrastructure and the government is going to have to bail them out so frequently, why aren't they nationalized?

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13555]

Bernie should goad Trump into a bidding war.

[Ghost of LL 15495]

2 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

please elaborate

HB1 is the Democrats' election-security bill.  It expands voter registration, improves election security, gets rid of gerrymandering, and makes Election Day a national holiday, to name a few provisions.  It is critical to countering the Republicans' concerted efforts at voter suppression.  If passed, it would ensure that the GOP becomes a minority party for a generation . . . because it is a minority party.  It just catches the political branches up to the will of the voters.

[henrygandorf 29182]

Just now, Huckleberry said:

Both of these are accurate, but they certainly raise the obvious question: if they're such critically important infrastructure and the government is going to have to bail them out so frequently, why aren't they nationalized?

whoa, i just always assumed they were, what with names like u.s. air and american airlines.

those rascals.

[SimonBolivar 10949]

Not that it matters in the big picture, but I've been watching the amusement industry and SeaWorld/Busch, CedarFair, and Six Flags are all really hurting. SeaWorld has a market cap of only $800M, Cedar Fair is at $900M, and Six Flags is at $1B....we might see one of these regional parks company collapse.

Edited March 18, 2020 by SimonBolivar

[Ghost of LL 15495]

1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

 

Both of these are accurate, but they certainly raise the obvious question: if they're such critically important infrastructure and the government is going to have to bail them out so frequently, why aren't they nationalized?

American airlines have never been nationalized, but they were heavily regulated.  And today, you can get to more places for less money than you could under regulation.

Regulation created bloated corporations that provided poor service for an inflated price.  Shielding airlines from competition did not help the consumer; it hurt the consumer and aided only car manufacturers.

Nationalization would be no different.  There's a reason that virtually no developed country has a nationalized airline industry anymore.  It leads to poor service, high fares, and enormous losses for the carrier.

[tx 3 putt 76474]

10 minutes ago, MidTexHorn said:

No clue. It was a short conversation. I got the distinct impression that she is trying not to rock the boat and is trying to “follow orders” so to speak. Maybe the higher ups know they don’t have the tests and are keeping that info from the front line providers. Whatever it is she was mega frustrated. My daughter in law is a nurse at Dell Children’s and she said she was not surprised by what my client was telling me. 

I can easily see Midessa not wanting the 'bad press' from multiple corona cases out there. 

[Gil Bang 25901]

8 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

HB1 is the Democrats' election-security bill.  It expands voter registration, improves election security, gets rid of gerrymandering, and makes Election Day a national holiday, to name a few provisions.  It is critical to countering the Republicans' concerted efforts at voter suppression.  If passed, it would ensure that the GOP becomes a minority party for a generation . . . because it is a minority party.  It just catches the political branches up to the will of the voters.

Shit LL. 

I was thinking H1B, as in Visa, and I couldn't figure out your point.  

My dumb ass.  Thanks for responding.

[Huckleberry 32710]

6 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

American airlines have never been nationalized, but they were heavily regulated.  And today, you can get to more places for less money than you could under regulation.

Regulation created bloated corporations that provided poor service for an inflated price.  Shielding airlines from competition did not help the consumer; it hurt the consumer and aided only car manufacturers.

Nationalization would be no different.  There's a reason that virtually no developed country has a nationalized airline industry anymore.  It leads to poor service, high fares, and enormous losses for the carrier.

Uhh...

But more seriously, this all makes sense, but I guess I was thinking more along the lines of "nationalization" from the perspective of Warren's list. Permanently enacting such measurements considering that every decade they seem to need a multi-billion dollar bailout anyway. And I agree they're critical, but we've given them too much leeway in their business operations.

Edited March 18, 2020 by Huckleberry

[DDD Dad 14268]

It should be considered criminal negligence.
Btw, vaguely speaking, what neighborhood and city do you live where the junior high is?
Nvm Saw your other post in DT

I’m in the Lakewood neighborhood of Dallas (East of downtown).

[staboner 4959]

52 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Hell yes on that Booker/Brown plan. That's some good shit!!

[edit]

Bernie adds his emergency UBI plan

 

UBI is the only way IMO. everything else ends up being inefficient corporate welfare of some kind

(and for the record I hate UBI, but these ain't normal times)

[bad_teammate 13145]

 

[washparkhorn 9935]

Airlines shouldn't have spent $50 billion on stock buybacks when they now need $50 billion for bailouts. Should have saved that money for a rainy day rather than pumping up their stock prices for greedy shareholders and overpaid executives. The buybacks were part of the reason this asset bubble became so large.

Need a bailout? Turn over the keys and we will find RESPONSIBLE managers for these "too big to fail" behemoths. 

Edited March 18, 2020 by washparkhorn

[Captainant 27496]

16 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

American airlines have never been nationalized, but they were heavily regulated.  And today, you can get to more places for less money than you could under regulation.

Regulation created bloated corporations that provided poor service for an inflated price.  Shielding airlines from competition did not help the consumer; it hurt the consumer and aided only car manufacturers.

Nationalization would be no different.  There's a reason that virtually no developed country has a nationalized airline industry anymore.  It leads to poor service, high fares, and enormous losses for the carrier.

I get your argument, but it is undeniably wrong to let those fuckers make the selfish, short sighted decision that contributed to their fucked-ness, and then give them a fucking bailout because they're too big to fail.

We've done that before. Fuck that. Make some fucking heads roll and make changes so we never need to intervene to protect a private corporation from their own selfish profit seeking. They need the bailout? Make. Them. Earn. It. 

[jimmyjazz 45602]

Yeah, I have a huge problem with cash handouts via corporate tax cuts which are used to buy back stock in order to inflate value.  Investing is risky.  They fucked up.  No freebies.  Liz is on the right path.

I sure wish my 401K was too big to fail.