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I'd just like to point out that neither myself nor any of my fellow nurses, fellow advanced nurse practitioners, and other healthcare providers ever swore an oath that we would lay down our lives for

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Welp, it finally happened. I snapped in public today. I went into work for a bit this morning because I’m trying to figure out the safest way to host physicians we are recruiting given our CV-19 sit

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I don't really know what to say anymore tbh. What happened last night is hard to put into words for anyone who hasn't worked in a hospital healthcare setting. Just unreal. Everyone is getting fucked.

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49 minutes ago, Bullneck said:
 
Trump is using the release of COVID19 funds as a swing state campaign strategy. Florida, a state that won't even close its fucking beaches, got 100% of what they asked for. Oregon got 10% New Jersey got less than 6%. This evil motherfucker

That is very on brand for Trump. Probably why Gov. Newsome didn’t wait around to act in California; I’m guessing Trump would rather eat a vegetable  than send California money. 
Florida seems like it may have out done itself with how NOT to pandemic between the elderly and Spring Breakers ignoring the social distancing. Although, Mar-a-lago got a good disinfecting cleaning that we paid for so there’s that. 
 

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4 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

How though? It’s been here and has been spreading for months. If he cut off travel and started wide scale testing it might have helped. This did very little. 

I assume that was just something he was told he needed to mention, which he did not because he cares about pleasing Trump, but because he cares about trying to stay on the job so he keep the other fucksticks from killing even more Americans. 

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Trump is using the release of COVID19 funds as a swing state campaign strategy. Florida, a state that won't even close its fucking beaches, got 100% of what they asked for. Oregon got 10% New Jersey got less than 6%. This evil motherfucker

Any real data on this?  I mean did New Jersey ask for a billion and Florida asked for 25k?    Or are they asking for the same amounts? 

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My guess and he’s hinted at it is he doesn’t want to buy a stockpile of stuff that won’t be used. Remember last week when he said we wouldn’t need 5 million tests? He still thinks it’ll disappear like a miracle. Because he’s stupid. 

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My guess and he’s hinted at it is he doesn’t want to buy a stockpile of stuff that won’t be used. Remember last week when he said we wouldn’t need 5 million tests? He still thinks it’ll disappear like a miracle. Because he’s stupid. 

items sitting on the shelf is money wasted !!!!!!!!!

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do we have a clear answer on why this is happening?  seriously wtf.  why say it and not do it?  just for consistency sake?  is there a lie streak on the line?

Everything I've read said he invoked the act on Friday, so which of these is more likely:

1) There is great demand for PPE gear, ventilators, etc, yet none of our domestic manufacturers are making an attempt to produce these items because Trump won't tell them to.  They need fucking Trump to remind them that they're capitalists.

2) Domestic manufacturers are complying with the Act, but it takes a wee bit more than 36 hours to pivot to producing materials that they do not normally produce.

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2 hours ago, TriStone said:

Everything I've read said he invoked the act on Friday, so which of these is more likely:

1) There is great demand for PPE gear, ventilators, etc, yet none of our domestic manufacturers are making an attempt to produce these items because Trump won't tell them to.  They need fucking Trump to remind them that they're capitalists.

2) Domestic manufacturers are complying with the Act, but it takes a wee bit more than 36 hours to pivot to producing materials that they do not normally produce.

You’re wrong. There’s nothing that has stopped him from invoking the act and compelling industry to make more.

You forgot:

3.) He doesn’t want to actually compel industry to make more masks (the ones we need) and ventilators b/c it’s an easy metric that the public can see that the administration has failed to deliver on. Why else are they so squishy about testing and # of ventilators? And if he doesn’t compel industry, then he can always go back and blame them for not having enough.

1st it was # of tests, then test kits that supposedly had many tests. Then when they failed AT BOTH, somehow the numbers were actually not all that important. Wtf. 

He’s been lying. Yesterday he admitted he didn’t do it yet. Everyday it’s either “yes” its been done, but I don’t want to use it. THAT’S NOT A THING. 

Then yesterday it’s ‘No, they’re doing it themselves.” Well, NOT THE MASKS WE NEED. And the Ventilators are not even close to the # we need. 

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Mr. Trump has sent conflicting signals on how the federal government might solve the supply issues. On Saturday, he said that he had not used the Defense Production Act — which empowers the government to mobilize the private sector to increase the production of scarce goods — because companies were stepping up voluntarily. He cited Hanes and General Motors, which he said would make masks and ventilators.

“We want them on the open market from the standpoint of pricing,” Mr. Trump said. 

A Hanes spokesman said the company had agreed to make up to six million masks a week along with a group of other yarn and clothing companies after Trump administration officials reached out about a week ago. The masks will not be the highly sought-after N-95 masks. Hanes is negotiating a contract with the U.S. government to supply the masks at market rates, the spokesman said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/world/coronavirus-news.html?referringSource=articleShare

Talk of market rates?

4.) He hasn’t found a personal way to make $ off this virus.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Xian said:

Any real data on this?  I mean did New Jersey ask for a billion and Florida asked for 25k?    Or are they asking for the same amounts? 

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The inability of the United States to deploy widespread testing for the coronavirus has further complicated how the supplies are being apportioned because health officials do not have a complete picture of where the virus is circulating most widely. But many states, worried that their case counts are about to soar and their hospitals will be swamped, have been unsatisfied with their allotment.

The system appears to roughly conform to states’ populations, rather than the size of their requests. Florida, a state of 21 million, got all 180,000 N95 masks it wanted. Oregon, a state of 4 million, only received 40,000 of the 400,000 masks it requested, and New Jersey, a state of 9 million, got 85,000 of the 2.9 million masks it feels it needs.

 

In a statement to ProPublica, HHS acknowledged that the population-based distribution system means that allocations are “likely less than what states are currently requesting,” but noted that “jurisdictions are receiving 100% of their allocations” under the government’s formula. The formula only applies to PPE, and not to ventilators, HHS said.

It’s up to the states to decide what they ask for, and the agency isn’t immune to political pressure. “If a governor jumps up and down and yells and screams, it gets attention,” said Nicole Lurie, former head of the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response under the Obama administration. “It probably helps to have a really loud megaphone.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/heres-why-florida-got-all-the-emergency-medical-supplies-it-requested-while-other-states-did-not/

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Pretty detailed explanation of the evolution of the predicament - we're at critical shortages and yet we're at a fraction of surge levels over the next 4-8 weeks.  It's hard to see how this won't prove catastrophic. 

APnews: Imports of medical supplies plummet as demand in US soars

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The critical shortage of medical supplies across the U.S., including testing swabs, protective masks, surgical gowns and hand sanitizer, can be tied to a sudden drop in imports, mostly from China, The Associated Press has found.

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The United States counts on receiving the vast majority of its medical supplies from China, where the coronavirus has infected more than 80,000 people and killed more than 3,200. When Chinese medical supply factories began coming back on line last month, their first priority was their own hospitals.

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Governors across the country are becoming panicked as states run out of equipment. President Donald Trump has urged them to buy masks on the open market, but few if any are available.

“Without adequate protection, more of our hospital staff could become ill, which would mean there wouldn’t be people to care for patients,” said Nancy Foster, the American Hospital Association’s vice president of quality and patient safety policy.  Some hospitals are down to just a day or two of personal protective equipment, she said.

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In mid-February, the World Health Organization warned that global demand for safety gear for medical providers was 100 times higher than normal. Prices were 20 times higher, stockpiles were depleted and there was a four- to six-month backlog. Despite this, federal contracting data shows there was no big effort at that point to submit orders.

Trade policies haven’t helped. Tariffs on medical supplies made them more expensive, and they were only lifted March 5, even though health care associations asked the administration last year to exempt items like masks, gloves and gowns. And now countries including South Korea, India and Taiwan are blocking exports of medical supplies to save them for their own citizens, leaving the U.S. with fewer options.

“The lag time could be weeks. It could be upward of months,” said Khatereh Calleja, CEO of the Healthcare Supply Chain Association.

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The only real chance we have is basically implementing a national shelter in place policy for an initial 6 weeks starting today.

 

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American industry’s reliance on Chinese factories over the last twenty years has left the country extremely vulnerable to China, who at any moment could cut off key supplies of thousands of products.

It is no coincidence that Trump has praised China and Xi in the last few days. They have obviously cut-off a lot of medical supplies, but no one wants to say that because it would cause a major panic here, and Trump would receive a ton of criticism.

This is what happens when you pursue an “America First” policy so blatantly and openly with little to no diplomacy. You make other countries even less willing to cooperate. And of course those countries will also adopt an “every man (country) for himself” mindset. And the shipment of equipment to Italy was China’s way to remind Trump they hold a lot of cards too.

Just another example of disastrous policy in action.

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10 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

American industry’s reliance on Chinese factories over the last twenty years has left the country extremely vulnerable to China, who at any moment could cut off key supplies of thousands of products.

It is no coincidence that Trump has praised China and Xi in the last few days. They have obviously cut-off a lot of medical supplies, but no one wants to say that because it would cause a major panic here, and Trump would receive a ton of criticism.

And yet Trump has still failed to even deploy the Defense Production Act for action to create critical supply in this national emergency.  It sure looks like an attempt to maintain appearances while kicking the can.  Better off dead than having to live with the pain of admitting failure.  It's narcissism fueled suicide.

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5 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

There’s nothing that has stopped him from invoking the act and compelling industry to make more.

Why would industry not make more anyway and then show up to the White House and say, "here's more of what the country needs.  write us a check and it's all yours"?

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14 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Why would industry not make more anyway and then show up to the White House and say, "here's more of what the country needs.  write us a check and it's all yours"?

That makes way too much sense.  Maybe first send Trump's lawyers a proposal for 50% participation in all profits.  That should get the deal done.

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11 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

How though? It’s been here and has been spreading for months. If he cut off travel and started wide scale testing it might have helped. This did very little. 

The self congratulating over the China travel ban is so utterly ridiculous. 

It's like if your house caught fire and the FD was doing end zone dances on your driveway and celebrating how quickly they showed up. 

Yes, thank you. But I still have a big problem here. 

It's also funny that by constantly touting the China closure, and nothing else, they're ostensibly admitting that they have only taken one positive successful step during this entire fiasco. Good job, idiots. 

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The self congratulating over the China travel ban is so utterly ridiculous. 

It's like if your house caught fire and the FD was doing end zone dances on your driveway after they turn the hoses off. 

Yes, thank you for helping. But I still have a big problem here. 

It's also funny that by constantly touting the China closure, and nothing else, they're ostensibly admitting that they have only taken one positive successful step during this entire fiasco. Good job, idiots. 

The china ban bought time - and then he did absolutely nothing with it. 

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Gov. Cuomo on cnn (press conference not interview) talking like a real leader again.  In stark contrast to trump and abbott.  He has clear talking points with the points being listed on the right side of the screen at the same time.

and I understand that talking without action isn’t enough. But he appears to be following thru on his talks and projects confidence. And projects honesty in that he admits he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know.

is it too late to nominate him for the dem potus candidate?

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4 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

The china ban bought time - and then he did absolutely nothing with it. 

This. In parallel we should have been ramping up testing capacity, aligning resources to mitigation efforts, daily governor briefings on strategies moving forward, daily conferences with world leaders on global strategies, etc. Instead we got "it's contained and will go to zero soon, just a dem hoax". 

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Even with our pathetic testing, we managed to pass both Iran (21,638) and Germany (23,921) last night, with a "very strong and unprecedented" move upwards to 26,747, (description in Trump vernacular).  Tomorrow we will "very decisively" move past Spain tomorrow, with only Italy and China in our sights as we move forward. 

Hearing the circular answers from the administration's morning talk show representatives did little to make me thing we are doing anything other than reacting WAAAAAY after the information is already public.  HELL, this fucking thread presents the same information that the President calls" impressive progress" is around 3 days old by the time they pat themselves on the back for their great response.  I understand the desire to unify and not look backwards.  However ,when the Administration daily comes out and lies about their achievements TODAY, it requires a wise "look back.

For example this is the lie Mike Pence told Us Two weeks ago, tomorrow on March 10th. Read this link to see how fucked we are when we trust anything this administration says. 3-10-20 Millions of Coronavirus test kits available soon says Pence

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Over a million tests have been distributed," Pence said, and "before the end of this week, another 4 million tests will be distributed.

On today's shows, Not a single representative of the Trump administration gave ANY numerical factual information on ANY broadcast this morning. Questions on regarding protective gear, ventilators, face masks, number of tests, number of tests completed, and on and on, we simply deflected. Instead the replies were simply amorphous. So everybody grab a Make America Great bandana!  We will be #1 in no time.  IN great part due to the endless lying and misrepresentations of the Trump administration that have happened EVERY DAY SO FAR when addressing the corona (CHINESE!!!!) virus.

The good news for the Trump administration politically is I even wrote "Chinese" in the virus, so the attempts at distraction from the lying are indeed working to some extent.

Up to 26,977 during the time I was typing this

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