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I don't really know too much about Clay Jenkins, he might be as crooked and selfish as most Rep politicians but he's showing 1000x the leadership as Hot Wheels. 

I do know Clay.

He has his faults (don’t we all?) but he has been a pretty good county judge and is showing far more leadership than Abbott, Cornyn, etc.
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I'd just like to point out that neither myself nor any of my fellow nurses, fellow advanced nurse practitioners, and other healthcare providers ever swore an oath that we would lay down our lives for

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Welp, it finally happened. I snapped in public today. I went into work for a bit this morning because I’m trying to figure out the safest way to host physicians we are recruiting given our CV-19 sit

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I don't really know what to say anymore tbh. What happened last night is hard to put into words for anyone who hasn't worked in a hospital healthcare setting. Just unreal. Everyone is getting fucked.

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2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

These things are like soap operas for me. I talk about how I hate them, I yell at the bad man on tv, and I keep tuning in every day to watch and can't turn away. 

 

Shit, if there are Neilsen ratings for these, you know this fucker is probably going to start touting those as a metric of how great his presidency is.

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Hand sanitizer dispensers have been stolen from Kansas City International airport.

Airport officials posted Sunday about the theft on Facebook, stating that they will not be able to purchase replacements for “many months.”

“Acts like this impact many people,” the post stated. “We are doing all we can to protect the health of our customers. This act makes that difficult since this is the only way we can offer hand sanitizer since it is in dispenser bags, and bottled sanitizer is not available. If we transfer those into bottles those would likely disappear.”

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14 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

 

it says very clearly people!..."DO NOT DRINK" 

nothing about shoving it up the bunghole, however...

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13 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I don't see how you can still handle his voice.  It's grating.

I can't anymore. It makes my skin crawl. For whatever reason, a couple of days ago when his numbers were exponentially inflating mid-sentence... we saved thousands, tens of thousands, more!... I figured it was more productive to read the recaps later.

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I knew Hobby Lobby was from Oklahoma, but did not know Michael´s was from Texas, my duaghter loves shopping there...
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Anyways, I read a coment last night, on twitterville, where this map was shown & a reponse: ¨look at all the places ain´t no pandemic¨... Oy vey, bro...

Seems to me that if you live near a road or have access to a road your risk of exposure is greater than if you don’t.
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38 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

This situation we're in right now should tell everyone all they need to know about the idea of relying on philanthropy in times of crisis.

We’ve already lost so many billionaires after this latest stock market crash.

So many are now just lowly multi millionaires.

You can’t expect those who have lost so much to then turn around And solve the problem.

Wont anyone speak out for this small minority? 

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I think a lot of them actually would but they didn't make a billion dollars by just throwing $100mm at somebody and saying, "Go haphazardly solve this challenge!"  Most of them have no idea, and don't know anybody who has an idea, how/where ventilators are made.  They're not used to cutting checks to groups and saying, "Good luck, we'll check in next month!"  Bill Gates, for all the shit he gets, painstakingly and personally (along with his wife) researches the myriad health and educational issues his foundation is set to tackle.  He micromanages the shit out of them, just like he did at his software company.  Many of his directors fear him, but know comfortably that if they meet his benchmarks, they'll have an unlimited funding spigot for decades.  

Take the Pritzker family, for instance. Worth $30 billion as a family.  Most based in Chicago, a city certainly suffering right now.  One of them is the Governor of the State of Illinois.  He is one of the guys complaining about Trump and the Feds outbidding his state on equipment/supplies.  He knows more than anybody about the need for ventilators and masks.  He is in a position to deploy capital more effectively than anyone else on the planet given his hourly updates from every hospital and public health official in a very large state.  And his family has nearly unlimited resources.  To date, the Pritzker family empire has given absolutely nothing to directly combat the virus or give these specific resources to health care workers.  

That's a glaring example of philanthropic leadership on their part.  But yeah, wouldn't hurt Bezos to kick in a few bucks. 

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Meanwhile, over in the totally non-political corona virus thread . . . 

1 hour ago, Sgt Hulk said:

I want to give you all props. This thread is level headed full of knowledge and great discussion.  I made the poor error during my morning shitter to venture into the CR version of this thread and it was worse than watching inbreeding porn in college station.  Thank goodness the internet’s collection of idiots all remain in that one section.  Thank you all for being the voice of reason and knowledge here 

 

15 minutes ago, EuroHorn said:

Yea, it's pretty pathetic.  Lot of folks in the CR are happy when someone is tested positive for the virus.  

 

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Cuomo just stole trump’s thunder - we Seem to be headed to shelter in place if you’re high risk, everyone else get back to normal, if you get it you’ll survive 
 

Cuomo claims to have a group already researching this. Finding the right mix of public health v economy 

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11 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Cuomo claims to have a group already researching this. Finding the right mix of public health v economy 

Until we actually have reliable information on the current spread of the infection, which will require wide scale testing, I don't know how you make any reasonable analysis of what that balance would be.  With the lag between when people get infected and when they start checking into the hospitals with serious illness, it's really impossible to control.  

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4 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

that's terrifying. we're in trouble.

It means around 3% of positives require ICU.  That's not great....but also, remember....even in NY, we are FAR from testing everyone who actually has it.  So the ICU rate isn't 3% -- it's probably substantially lower.  That's GOOD news.  Still going to strain resources.  But not as bad as you might think.

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6 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

that's terrifying. we're in trouble.

Agree. But Cuomo said that was good news, because those numbers had gone down a bit. I guess it is all relative. 

3% of positives requiring ICU will bury hospitals. 

 

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3 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

that's terrifying. we're in trouble.

That's pretty consistent with the early CDC feedback from last week.  See bottom of the page here:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm

And, yes, it's absolutely terrifying.  A lot of people in the 45-54 range just assumed their odds of survival are pretty good - only 0.5-0.8% are dying.  Of course, that assumes you get a ventilator.  Otherwise, your mortality rate will be somewhere in the 5-10% range.  Not so remote ...

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It means around 3% of positives require ICU.  That's not great....but also, remember....even in NY, we are FAR from testing everyone who actually has it.  So the ICU rate isn't 3% -- it's probably substantially lower.  That's GOOD news.  Still going to strain resources.  But not as bad as you might think.

CDC estimates between 40-70% of the general population becomes infected...help me do the math...why is it not as bad as I think?

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1 hour ago, Dnaguy said:

We’ve already lost so many billionaires after this latest stock market crash.

So many are now just lowly multi millionaires.

You can’t expect those who have lost so much to then turn around And solve the problem.

Wont anyone speak out for this small minority? 

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Circulating in Florida - Senior Citizen Ground Zero:

In a July 2011 report completed by a U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ethics subcommittee, planners said the “principle of sickest first” for critical care might no longer apply during a severe pandemic because it “may lead to resources being used by patients who ultimately are too sick to survive.”

When there’s a severe shortage of life-saving medical resources “priority is given to those who are most likely to recover,” the report said.

Medics in war, for example, might first treat wounded soldiers more likely to return to health. Or emergency workers managing a cholera outbreak in a refugee camp will first give limited IV fluids to moderately dehydrated people because they are more likely to recover than sicker patients.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/zz/news/20200323/who-lives-and-who-dies-in-worst-case-coronavirus-scenario-ethics-guide-choices-on-who-gets-care

Based on CDC guide from 2011: https://www.cdc.gov/od/science/integrity/phethics/docs/Vent_Document_Final_Version.pdf

 

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