CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Party_Taco 3883]

It’s truly breathtaking how much important shit Jared Kushner doesn’t accomplish. Seems every time I pick up a newspaper there’s another story about Kushner zooming from one massive unfinished project to the next. One day, he’s busy not bringing peace to the Middle East. The next, he’s parachuting in to make zero progress slowing down a global pandemic.  And now we’re reading that this wunderkind of unfinished business has been burning the midnight oil behind the scenes to scuttle billion dollar deals for critical medical equipment. 
Is there any task so big that Jared Kushner can’t not get it done? 

When you realize that all this “experience” is simply fodder for the GOP machine, and that outcomes matter significantly less than the graft that can be applied along the way, it all starts to make sense.

[wildcat09 29569]

1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

Why is it the one time he could throw his weight around and use his power for good is the one time he refuses to do so?

 

 

Maddening.

 

Because he’s 100% fine with residents of blue states dying.

[FondrenRoad 4378]

4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Because he’s 100% fine with residents of blue states dying.

How does that explain Louisiana?

[Jive Turkey 12931]

8 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

How does that explain Louisiana?

They went against him and re-elected a Dem governor is my best guess. 

[Pasken 1310]

19 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

How does that explain Louisiana?

Because it’s mostly New Orleans 

[tx 3 putt 78488]

36 minutes ago, Pasken said:

Because it’s mostly New Orleans 

 

winner, winner, chicken dinner !!!!!!!!

trump is going to get stomped in all metro / urban areas, so he gives zero fucks about them. when this starts winding down, he's going to point over and over how the city and county govt failed over and over again.  

[ChiTownDoc 21326]

[henrygandorf 29223]

1 hour ago, FondrenRoad said:

How does that explain Louisiana?

louisiana is basically a rounding error at this point. 

[Hookah Horns 3089]

This shit about the DPA continues to mind fuck me. Years from now people will be looking back on his conduct during this crisis in fucking wonderment. 

What is the downside to getting this shit going full bore? The downside to pussy footing around is massive. 

Edited March 27, 2020 by Hookah Horns

[Hookah Horns 3089]

6 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

Remember when CNN kicked off cable news by broadcasting the Gulf War on location?  Now they read random people’s tweets, make endless banal and overly hedged predictions on how things might affect polls for the election that is 8 months away, and let grifter hacks read talking points propaganda that goes unchallenged because you need someone to know how something really works in order to refute the bad information. 

WTF has happened to us?   

Fox News happened. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

So it’s coronavirus again and not “Chinese”?

[Pasken 1310]

6 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

So it’s coronavirus again and not “Chinese”?

 

Xi probably flattered him. 

[henrygandorf 29223]

22 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

So it’s coronavirus again and not “Chinese”?

 

it stopped being chinese a couple days ago. zero questions from the press about it. frustrating. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21523]

5 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

It’s truly breathtaking how much important shit Jared Kushner doesn’t accomplish. Seems every time I pick up a newspaper there’s another story about Kushner zooming from one massive unfinished project to the next. One day, he’s busy not bringing peace to the Middle East. The next, he’s parachuting in to make zero progress slowing down a global pandemic.  And now we’re reading that this wunderkind of unfinished business has been burning the midnight oil behind the scenes to scuttle billion dollar deals for critical medical equipment. 

Is there any task so big that Jared Kushner can’t not get it done? 

He's trump's Goering. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21523]

4 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

This explains a lot. I don't fault you for not moving to Boston.  Its cold as fuck for 8 months.  Montreal is 10x the city with roughly the same climate and I couldn't live there from October to April either.  But you turned down a lot of chances for a place that is "fine though."  You may be alive, but you have never been living.

The coronavirus is a bump for NYC and the world, for sure.  But NYC will be back.  People that took chances to move to places they want to be will be happy again.  And you'll still be "fine though."

Do you ever travel?

He's scared of his own shadow, like most trumpkins. 

[DixonHur 11943]

42 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

He's scared of his own shadow, like most trumpkins. 

Well, shadows are black, so...

[tantric superman 4668]

I billion for 80,000 ventilators?  That's $12,500 a pop.

I'd buy me and the wife our own ventilator for $12,500. 

They could offer a time share deal (you get priority and everyone else can use it when you aren't) and pay for those in the open market in a couple of days.

 

[tantric superman 4668]

So we could have spent $3 billion in January, and had 240,000 ventilators to pass around by now?

That plus some masks and wipes and we could have all gone about our business?

 

Some government officials expressed concern about the possibility of ordering too many ventilators, leaving them with an expensive surplus.

 

Hmm, surplus or another huge bailout and more deaths?  Hard to choose which is worse.

 

 

Edited March 27, 2020 by tantric superman

[pyrohornIII 4845]

I don't go to the other thread.  I have enough trouble keeping up with this one.  So this might be there too.   Maybe this model is where the Houston prediction comes from?

 

[pyrohornIII 4845]

9 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Remember when Team GOP would bitch about every little thing that those nasty Dems would shove into a bill?

Yeah.

Fuck you Mitch:

 

 

 

We need a pork barrel thread.   I had to listen to a friend whinge about green new deal and kennedy center yesterday.  Would have been nice to throw some things back at him.  

5 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

winner, winner, chicken dinner !!!!!!!!

trump is going to get stomped in all metro / urban areas, so he gives zero fucks about them. when this starts winding down, he's going to point over and over how the city and county govt failed over and over again.  

He's counting on it not being very rampant in the rurals.  Keep thinking that Donny, your hunches pay off so well.

1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

He's trump's Goering. 

So damn spot on.

[pyrohornIII 4845]

Arrogant prick

Good article on the bill.  Written by the woman who asked the question in the clip above, LIsa Desjardins.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-the-2-trillion-coronavirus-relief-bill-means-for-you

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What the $2 trillion coronavirus relief bill means for you

Politics Mar 26, 2020 9:36 AM EDT

Racing against twin health and economic crises, the U.S. Senate passed an unprecedented $2 trillion coronavirus measure late Wednesday that would inject billions into the nation’s medical system, dramatically expand unemployment benefits and temporarily cover the entire payroll for many small businesses across the country.

In a rare show of unity, the chamber voted 96-0 to send the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security, or “CARES,” Act to the House, which is expected to pass the legislation Friday morning. It won support from the most conservative of lawmakers, such as Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas, and the most progressive, such as Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

Four senators missed the vote because they have either contracted the coronavirus, or are self-quarantining out of concern that they were exposed to it.

If signed by the president, the measure will be the largest one-time spending bill in U.S. history.

Read the full coronavirus bill here. Or continue below for highlights of what’s in it for individuals and companies.

HELP FOR PEOPLE

The bill aims to give some individuals cash to help them cover basic necessities. It also increases unemployment benefits for those who have been laid off.

A check for $1,200

• The bill would cut a check to most Americans, for $1,200 per person or $2,400 per married couple, plus $500 for each child.
• That money begins to phase out to those at a $75,000-income level for individuals and would not go to single persons (without children) making more than $100,000 or families making more than $150,000.
• These are called “recovery rebates” in the bill.

READ MORE: The essential coronavirus FAQ

Unemployment expansion

• Benefits would increase by $600 a week over the current level in each state. That is intended to raise benefits so they match the average weekly income in the U.S., and for many Americans cover their full pay.
• Unemployment checks will continue for a longer period of time: up to 39 weeks from the previous max of 26 weeks.
• Far more categories of people will be eligible, including freelance and contract workers.
• Benefits will begin rolling out sooner than usual, with the federal government paying for the usual one-week waiting period between applying for benefits and when they kick in.

Map: Watch the real-time spread of coronavirus in the U.S.

Giving to charities

The bill includes a $300 tax deduction for any American who donates at least that amount to charity.

Other: Student loans, evictions, foreclosures

• All federal student loan payments will be suspended through Sept. 30.
• The bill would block foreclosures on federally-backed mortgages for at least 60 days, if the homeowner stipulates that their finances have been affected by the coronavirus outbreak.
• The bill would also temporarily ban eviction filings at properties connected to the federal government.

Signs are displayed on the window of a restaurant to inform customers that the dinning area is closed as Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker ordered all restaurants and bars closed at the end of the business day, as part of efforts to combat the spread of the novel coronavirus, in Chicago. Photo by Joshua Lott/Reuters

HELP FOR BUSINESSES

Small businesses and the self-employed

• In an attempt to avoid mass unemployment, the bill includes funding that would help small businesses cover payroll for eight weeks. This is called the “Paycheck Protection Program.”
• Small businesses could receive up to $10 million each to cover payroll, rent and utilities. The bill aims to cover eight weeks of those costs.
• Each business could receive up to 250 percent of its average monthly payroll.
• This would apply to businesses with fewer than 500 workers, including nonprofits and those who are self-employed.
• The money would initially be a loan, but would be forgiven and become a grant, if the company uses the loan solely for payroll, rent or utility costs.
• This program is retroactive to Feb. 15 and is available until June 30.
• This assistance is part of $377 billion set aside for all kinds of small business help during the COVID-19 pandemic.

READ MORE: How uninsured patients can get help during COVID-19 pandemic

Larger employers: $454 billion in loans, with requirements

This is the largest single piece of the bill.

• $454 billion in loans or loan guarantees. This may be doled out to companies by the Secretary of the Treasury.
• Low interest. The interest rate on these loans must be no more than 2 percent. No payments are due for at least six months.
• Must keep workers. Those businesses must use the money to keep 90 percent of their workforce on payroll through September. And they must intend to get back to the number of workers they had in February 2020 by the end of May.
• Executive pay is frozen. Those who made more than $425,000 in 2019 at these companies cannot get a raise in salary or any other compensation benefit for a year. Any severance package is limited to no more than twice what they made (total compensation) in 2019.
• Top executive pay may be cut. At these companies, those who made more than $3 million a year are further limited to no more than $3 million, plus half of whatever amount they earned over $3 million. Thus, at these companies, someone who made $5 million in total compensation last year would see that amount reduced to $4 million.
• These companies cannot engage in paying dividends to stockholders or buying back company stock while the loan is outstanding.
• In addition, the companies cannot outsource or move jobs overseas for two years.
• For the term of the loan, they cannot break any union agreements and must stay neutral in an attempt by a union to organize.

Airlines

• Passenger airlines are eligible for up to $25 billion in grants. This money would not need to be repaid directly, but airlines may offer the government some stock to compensate taxpayers. Cargo airlines are eligible for up to $4 billion. This money is meant to keep workers paid.
• No layoffs. The airlines could not lay off any workers until at least Sept. 30.
• The government can require airlines to continue flying certain routes as needed. The bill includes a clause making sure the needs of smaller, rural communities are considered as part of this.
• The airlines must meet many of the criteria as large employers (listed above) — namely. no stock buybacks and limits on executive pay — to receive the money.
• Airlines also can qualify for loans. The bill includes $25 billion for passenger airlines and $4 billion for cargo.

Other vulnerable, critical industries

• The bill includes $17 billion in loans and loan guarantees for businesses “critical to maintaining national security.”
• This is at the discretion of the Treasury Secretary, but could include companies like Boeing.

Oversight of the $500 billion to corporations and airlines

This was a critical part of negotiations over the weekend.

• An inspector general must be appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate to oversee this program. Their title will be “Inspector General for Pandemic Recovery.”
• The bill specifically says that the inspector general cannot have any previous business relationship with the president, vice president, any member of Congress, any of their children, nor any son- or daughter-in-law.
• There is also an oversight board of five people appointed by Congress. Each of the four party leaders (from the Senate and House) appoints a member. The speaker of the House and Republican leader in the House together chose a chairman.
• The treasury secretary, Steve Mnuchin, must disclose transactions to corporations within 72 hours.
• In addition, the secretary must answer questions Congress has about the use of this money.

Other programs for larger employers

• The “employer retention tax credit.” This provides a tax credit of up to 50 percent of wages to companies which must close, or have experienced significant losses, because of the virus. In addition, up to $10,000 in lost wages per worker is refundable to the company.
• Payroll tax delays for two years. The bill allows employers to delay paying 50 percent of this year’s payroll taxes as well as 50 percent of next year’s payroll taxes.

There are many additional tax incentives in this bill, ranging from net operating losses to changes in the corporate alternative minimum tax.

Tess Conciatori, Geoffrey Guray and Matt Loffman contributed to this story.

 

[achooloco 1086]

Is this just political talk? Or updates too? Just got text Boris Johnson has it 

 

Link

[pyrohornIII 4845]

I'd trust BBC content.

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In a tweet, Mr Johnson said: "Over the last 24 hours I have developed mild symptoms and tested positive for coronavirus. I am now self-isolating, but I will continue to lead the government's response via video-conference as we fight this virus.     - from linked article.

 

[Brandywine 1326]

8 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

If Kushner is doing everything, maybe he should be President instead.  He'd be 1000 times better than Trump. And I say that as someone who thinks Kushner sucks and isn't qualified for any of the tasks assigned to him.

Funny though that these were supposedly "hard working business owners" who were working so hard to manage their companies to provide jobs for poor schlubs.  Yet Kushner and Trump Corps are still kicking while Trump Sr golfs, his kids do nothing, and Jared is busy doing a bunch of science fair projects.  Sounds like they are more useless to their companies than the groundskeepers are. 

True, but they’re milking every dime out of it they can. They are way over their head in all of this. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

1 hour ago, tantric superman said:

So we could have spent $3 billion in January, and had 240,000 ventilators to pass around by now?

Some government officials expressed concern about the possibility of ordering too many ventilators, leaving them with an expensive surplus.

Hmm, surplus or another huge bailout and more deaths?  Hard to choose which is worse.

Rather ironic isn’t it? Concern for surplus is what Don Jr, author extraordinaire, had until bailed out by the RNC. 

We’re watching “how the world works” according to the President and those of us who read Dickens, Hugo, Solzhenitsyn, et al in high school are thinking this is going down a dark path. 

[TornACL 7792]

Why wouldn't we have added one extra billion to the 2T stimulus package for ventilators? We elect the dumbest mother fuckers, probably only because you have to be an idiotic sociopath to get into politics. 

[LTbear 4209]

7 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Because he’s 100% fine with residents of blue states dying.

Honestly beginning to believe there's actual truth to this

[SameSame 1745]

5 minutes ago, LTbear said:

Honestly beginning to believe there's actual truth to this

I don't know if I would exactly phrase it like that, but there is no doubt that if this had kicked off by ravaging the midwest and sec country instead of New York and Washington State, it would have been a much more intensive response.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13712]

11 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Trump has already set up the excuse that no one could have known that coronavirus was going to explode like this so you can’t blame him. And since most of his supporters only watch TV channels that will agree, he won’t be touched by this issue.

[Post Oak 20551]

10 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Sean Maloney ain’t having it!

 

This guy can be my wing man any day

[DigDug 1735]

6 minutes ago, SameSame said:

I don't know if I would exactly phrase it like that, but there is no doubt that if this had kicked off by ravaging the midwest and sec country instead of New York and Washington State, it would have been a much more intensive response.

The only reason, THE ONLY REASON that he cares what happens in New York or other blue areas is because of what it does to the overall numbers.

He nor his administration care one iota what happens to those families on a personal human empathetic level.

[Mo Horn 8933]

8 minutes ago, DigDug said:

The only reason, THE ONLY REASON that he cares what happens to any person other than himself, regardless of if they live in red or blue areas is because of what it does to the overall numbers, and how it reflects on him. 

He nor his administration care one iota what happens to those families on a personal human empathetic level.

FIFY

[fuggled 576]

SIAP - Dallas County bringing in the National Guard to setup a temporary hospital.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/03/26/texas-coronavirus-hot-spot-dallas-county-bolstering-medical-response/

 

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The Texas county hit hardest so far by the new coronavirus is strengthening its medical response with a mobile hospital and by calling in health care workers from the National Guard, Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins said Thursday.

Dallas County, which has more than 300 positive cases, will eventually open the 250-bed hospital, Jenkins said, but it was unclear when. Doctors and nurses from the National Guard are also expected to assist with epidemiological detective work known as “contact tracing” to identify people who have been in contact with anyone who tests positive for the novel coronavirus.

“We’re asking for logistical support, you will see military vans moving around,” Jenkins said at a news conference Thursday evening, adding that the National Guard will be in the county on a medical mission — “they are not coming here to impose martial law.”

Jenkins said officials also plan to use the old Parkland Hospital building, which was replaced with a new facility a few years ago, to quarantine people.

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[mdmost 43857]

Country Strong Clay Jenkins isn't fucking around. Take notes, Abbott. 

[Bullneck 19454]

8 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

Kushner is a bag man. He went to the MidEast to collect money. He was trying to set up back channels to Russia to collect money. 

I've been wondering about the money to be made on a pandemic that is allowed to go uncontrolled. Trump refuses to order supplies to be made after stalling the response. That drives up demand for ventilators and other supplies. 

Trump prefers a deal be made. He sends Kushner.  FEMA balks at the price. Why would the price be exorbitant? Excessive? Kushner was sent to collect money.

I have no link or evidence. I have only deductions. The states are in a bidding war for supplies. Money flows. Who could stop that? Trump. Why wouldn't he stop it? Money.

Trump is overplaying his hand. His lack of empathy blocks him from seeing the resentment he'll generate by subjecting so many citizens to gruesome illness and death. He can't escape the public statements and continued callousness. When people have family and friends suffering, they will focus. They will want to know why.

Wouldn't it be a crime against humanity to refuse medical help to your own countrymen? To actively block aid that could have been delivered?

Donald Trump is the worst man of my time on earth. He is rotten to his soulless core. He is the face of the United States of America right now.

Enormous shame and ongoing horror. So much suffering. So little sense to it.

What I haven't seen is any graphic pictures of the dead and dying, only illness numbers and talk about the economy.  I think that would change some people's minds.

[Fudge Nuggets 19409]

Not our politics, but looks like Boris Johnson done got him the 'Rona.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Kamala Harris bringing the truth that the WH will not heed. She is a powerhouse.

 

[EMAWesome 101]

On 3/25/2020 at 8:39 PM, cactusflinthead said:

Yeah, I even participated in the YouGov poll. Care to address what Nate has to say? 

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/300680/coronavirus-response-hospitals-rated-best-news-media-worst.aspx

 

 

 

Approval Ratings of U.S. Leaders' and Institutions' Handling of Response to Coronavirus

Do you approve or disapprove of the way each of the following is handling the response to the coronavirus in the U.S.?

	Approve	Disapprove	Does not apply (vol.)/No opinion
	%	%	%
^ Based on 536 employed adults; † Based on 262 parents of children under 18; (vol.) = volunteered response
GALLUP, MARCH 13-22, 2020
U.S. hospitals	88	10	2
Your child's school or daycare †	83	9	8
Your state government	82	17	1
Your employer ^	82	14	4
Government health agencies such as the CDC or NIH	80	17	2
Vice President Mike Pence	61	32	7
President Donald Trump	60	38	1
Congress	59	37	4
The news media	44	55	1

[EMAWesome 101]

https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/26/as-trumps-poll-numbers-rise-media-begin-censoring-press-conferences/

As Trump’s Poll Numbers Rise, Media Begin Censoring Press Conferences

Media continue to make their coverage choices based on whether they believe it will harm or help Trump.

 

By Mollie Hemingway

MARCH 26, 2020

 

When polls showed that President Donald Trump was receiving unusually high marks for his handling of the Coronavirus pandemic, the first stage of grief the media went through was denial:

 

The political media have been working extremely hard to craft a narrative that the spread of the coronavirus was essentially the fault of the man they had blamed for all other ills in recent years. How could the people not accept that narrative, particularly considering that most everyone in the media was pushing it?

Things got worse when additional polls showed Trump receiving high ratings at the same time that the media received poor ratings. A brand new Gallup study — “Coronavirus Response: Hospitals Rated Best, News Media Worst” — was particularly bad news. When Americans were asked about nine different institutions and political leaders, they gave majority approval to all but the media. President Trump has a 22-point net approval rating while the media’s net approval rating was negative 11 points. The RealClearPolitics approval average for Trump was its highest during his entire presidency.

In response, the media were angry and depressed and began blaming his press conferences. Their theory seemed to be that the more Americans saw Trump, unfiltered, they liked him and the more Americans saw the behavior of the media, they didn’t like it. This flies in the face of what many in the media assumed for years. They pushed for daily White House press conferences so that they could have the opportunity to be on camera and pressure the Trump administration. Now that they had daily press briefings with the president, no less, they weren’t happy. It was a weird response for a group of people whose ostensible job is to simply report the news of the day.

This New York Times reporter began disparaging the public health briefings featuring some of the country’s top medical professionals:

 

Within a few days the groupthink had firmly spread. Suddenly addressing the American people day after day — the very thing the media had demanded for years — was a dangerous departure from norms:

 

An example of what they called a lie was Trump’s discussion of a potential treatment for those infected with the coronavirus. The proposed treatment has not gone through extensive clinical trials for the Wuhan coronavirus in particular, although it well established in use for malaria patients and many doctors are hoping to continue its use for the novel coronavirus. While New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is so bullish on the treatment that he authorized its use in his state, he has not received any criticism from the media. The absurdity of claiming that Trump was lying about this promising treatment plan was topped by the media blaming Trump when one individual seeking to prevent infection ingested fish tank cleaner because it contained similar ingredients.

Here an “All Things Considered” host at a public radio station funded by tax dollars, had this considered response:

After spending months demanding that the White House reinstate press conference, they are now demanding he shut them down as his performance is going better than theirs.

 

The Washington Post, whose tagline is “Democracy Dies In Darkness,” demanded that the lights on the presidential press briefings be turned off.

Kyle Griffin

 

✔@kylegriffin1

 

 

Margaret Sullivan: "The media must stop live-broadcasting Trump's dangerous, destructive coronavirus briefings." https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/the-media-must-stop-live-broadcasting-trumps-dangerous-destructive-coronavirus-briefings/2020/03/21/b8a2a440-6b7c-11ea-9923-57073adce27c_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter …

Perspective | The media must stop live-broadcasting Trump’s dangerous, destructive coronavirus...

He’s just using them as a substitute for his rallies. Put him on tape-delay so journalists can counter his rush of misinformation.

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While Americans might not appreciate the media censoring the public health briefings, Sullivan had one fan in Communist China. Lijian Zhao, the spokesperson & Deputy Director General of the Information Department in communist China’s Foreign Ministry retweeted MSNBC’s Kyle Griffin, who had tweeted out in support of Sullivan’s censorship plan:

Ted Koppel told the New York Times, “Training a camera on a live event, and just letting it play out, is technology, not journalism; journalism requires editing and context.” 

While it’s true that good journalists will provide context, that’s precisely what’s been missing in their histrionic and sensationalized coverage of this global pandemic. They share aggregate numbers to inflame passions, they highlight poor performing hospitals and blame the coronavirus, even though the same hospitals were overwhelmed previously, they peddle faulty models that incite horrific panic.

What the media instead are realizing is that they have lost control over the filtering that they are used to providing. They seek to spin the news rather than simply show it and report it. And they justify their bias as being part of a higher calling in the journalism profession as opposed to a glaring failure.

The media that was able to push impeachment while the coronavirus spread throughout the world, that claimed concerns about it were racist, and that attempts to control its spread were xenophobic, now wants even more control over the message. Their plan to keep Americans in the dark about what the country’s top political and medical officials say unless it is filtered through a group of people who botched the 2016 campaign, the Russia collusion narrative, and the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing is a demonstration of something very dangerous.

They don’t want to report the news. They want to control it. That is damaging and destructive to their own already hurting reputations but, more importantly, to public health itself.

[Fozzz 152]

This country fucking rules.

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A 17-year-old boy in Los Angeles County who became the first teen believed to have died from complications with covid-19 in the U.S. was denied treatment at an urgent care clinic because he didn’t have health insurance, according to R. Rex Parris, the mayor of Lancaster, California. Roughly 27.5 million Americans—8.5 percent of the population—don’t have health insurance based on the latest government figures.

“He didn’t have insurance, so they did not treat him,” Parris said in a video posted to YouTube. The staff at the urgent care facility told the teen to try the emergency room at Antelope Valley (AV) Hospital, a public hospital in the area, according to the mayor.

“En route to AV Hospital, he went into cardiac arrest, when he got to AV hospital they were able to revive him and keep him alive for about six hours,” Parris said. “But by the time he got there, it was too late.”

https://gizmodo.com/teen-who-died-of-covid-19-was-denied-treatment-because-1842520539/amp?__twitter_impression=true

[cactusflinthead 27626]

 

[cactusflinthead 27626]

15 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/300680/coronavirus-response-hospitals-rated-best-news-media-worst.aspx

 

 

 

Approval Ratings of U.S. Leaders' and Institutions' Handling of Response to Coronavirus

Do you approve or disapprove of the way each of the following is handling the response to the coronavirus in the U.S.?

	Approve	Disapprove	Does not apply (vol.)/No opinion
	%	%	%
^ Based on 536 employed adults; † Based on 262 parents of children under 18; (vol.) = volunteered response
GALLUP, MARCH 13-22, 2020
U.S. hospitals	88	10	2
Your child's school or daycare †	83	9	8
Your state government	82	17	1
Your employer ^	82	14	4
Government health agencies such as the CDC or NIH	80	17	2
Vice President Mike Pence	61	32	7
President Donald Trump	60	38	1
Congress	59	37	4
The news media	44	55	1

Still not a response to the fact that his rally bump is weak. 

However, 58 percent of Americans said Trump was initially "too slow to take action to address the problem," while 38 percent said he "acted with the right amount of speed" and 4 percent had no opinion on the issue.

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Other recent surveys have also shown a similar uptick in the president's ratings, while voters remain mostly split on his handling of the outbreak. According to a POLITICO/Morning Consult poll released on Wednesday, overall approval of Trump's job performance increased from 43 percent to 45 percent in the previous week, with 52 percent still disapproving.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/27/poll-majority-approve-trump-coronavirus-response-151393

Bush was at 86%. It didn't last. 

Edited March 27, 2020 by cactusflinthead

[Biff Tannen 46069]

1 minute ago, cactusflinthead said:

Still not a response to the fact that his rally bump is weak. 

However, 58 percent of Americans said Trump was initially "too slow to take action to address the problem," while 38 percent said he "acted with the right amount of speed" and 4 percent had no opinion on the issue.

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Other recent surveys have also shown a similar uptick in the president's ratings, while voters remain mostly split on his handling of the outbreak. According to a POLITICO/Morning Consult poll released on Wednesday, overall approval of Trump's job performance increased from 43 percent to 45 percent in the previous week, with 52 percent still disapproving.

 

There's that 38% number again.  Weird how there's always, ALWAYS, about 38-40% approval NO MATTER WHAT.  It's almost like it's a cult or something.

[JimmyJames 12271]

I for one am getting tired of all the winning.

If trump weren’t such an incompetent lying boob his approval ratings would be in the 90s. 

Since he’s a complete piece of shit, they’re still underwater.

The cameras should shut off when he starts lying. That’s usually about 5 to 10 minutes in.

[gmr548 16681]

Why is it the one time he could throw his weight around and use his power for good is the one time he refuses to do so?





Maddening.

I'm not in the medical field bit a quick Google tells me $12.5k/unit isn't unreasonable for ventilators.

Also that's like 10 F-35's.

[cactusflinthead 27626]

Fuck'em. Do like the Italians and start 3D printing them. I'd like to see someone try to stop it.

[RomaVicta 30512]

39 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

What I haven't seen is any graphic pictures of the dead and dying, only illness numbers and talk about the economy.  I think that would change some people's minds.

We're preaching the same sermon. Preach on, brother.

The disease is still an abstraction to most of the people and it's not their fault. The story has not been properly told by the sources we rely on. Rachel Maddow is an exception here. Here story on supplies last night was outstanding.

[workswithseed 2201]

1 minute ago, cactusflinthead said:

Fuck'em. Do like the Italians and start 3D printing them. I'd like to see someone try to stop it.

This. 

[horn4life 3830]

Here is the EXACT plan to determine which counties may or may not be able to open up and return to work!

It's a very simple formula: IF a county has access to coronavirus testing, it is NOT a safe county.  IF a county does NOT have access to coronavirus testing, it is  a safe county.

As testing approaches the 4 million tests the Trump administration lied about having nearly 3 weeks ago, there will no longer be "safe" counties because we will have widespread testing.

Edited March 27, 2020 by horn4life

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Those lists, like the ones that sadly appear after every mass shooting with names and faces of victims, is one way. Since graveside services have been affected, funerals are solitary affairs. The obits in our local paper have been heartbreaking.

To overcome the dark, shine the light and keep shining it far and wide. Signs, words, actions, photos. Communicate with people however you can to get the word out.

By staying inside, we keep one another healthy but it also allows the powerful to operate at full throttle against the weak.