CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[TornACL 7,792]

I only have one theory as to why Trump is taking this suddenly so seriously. 

He has it. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

8 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I am very staunchly anti-death penalty, but the executives need to get dragged out in the middle of the street and get shot right between the eyes. Vietnam classic picture style.  Examples need to be made.  

So if I understood the article, Hatfield & Co was the middleman, but I wonder who the people with the inventory are? Hatfield wanted $6.3 mil for the order of a million masks with the option for the buyer of 2 million masks for $13 million.  The sales rep was cagey about where the inventory was, but someone is making some serious money off of this and the claim (not verified by the Tribune) that is was a doctor or consortium of doctors is just nauseating. Those health care providers in other states are falling ill so someone can charge over 6 dollars for a mask that should cost around a buck? The pursuit of money is the root of all evil.

[conVINCEd 21,477]

9 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

SIAP

 

From an insurance perspective that’s the right call.  It’s also why health insurance shouldn’t be a for-profit enterprise.

[Anastasis 23,704]

1 minute ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

So if I understood the article, Hatfield & Co was the middleman, but I wonder who the people with the inventory are? Hatfield wanted $6.3 mil for the order of a million masks with the option for the buyer of 2 million masks for $13 million.  The sales rep was cagey about where the inventory was, but someone is making some serious money off of this and the claim (not verified by the Tribune) that is was a doctor or consortium of doctors is just nauseating. Those health care providers in other states are falling ill so someone can charge over 6 dollars for a mask that should cost around a buck? The pursuit of money is the root of all evil.

Pride is the root of all evil. Greed is it's sidecar. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

I don't see how Trump could have COVID and keep that a secret. His ego wouldn't allow that as long as he is upright.

[Anastasis 23,704]

3 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

From an insurance perspective that’s the right call.  It’s also why health insurance shouldn’t be a for-profit enterprise.

The insurance companies are lobbying for open enrollment.

 

Also, most major insurance companies have waived cost sharing for testing AND TREATMENT related to COVID. CMS is still requiring cost sharing for COVID related treatment. Just for some reality-based context. 

Edited April 1, 2020 by Anastasis

[Michael Knight 13,197]

 

[kopp0e 1,135]

What the, the guy must be (clinicly) mad, I guess...

 

[UDontKnow 10,559]

16 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

SIAP

 

Reeks of petty partisanship in addition to the obvious pandering to the evil insurance corporations.

[TwiceHorn 31,996]

That's kind of misstated.

It's not the R/D that needs funding.  It's the testing.

While that may seem a facile distinction, it is the part that government and academia are not good at, while pharmas typically are.

[conVINCEd 21,477]

4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The insurance companies are lobbying for open enrollment.

 

Also, most major insurance companies have waived cost sharing for testing AND TREATMENT related to COVID. CMS is still requiring cost sharing for COVID related treatment. Just for some reality-based context. 

It makes no sense on the surface, but I suppose a short term economic loss is better than no longer existing under a single-payer system.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

6 minutes ago, kopp0e said:

What the, the guy must be (clinicly) mad, I guess...

 

The article was behind a paywall and I was over the limit, but I looked around and it seems he was being evicted from his office for failure to pay rent? I thought evictions were on hold for awhile? Our dentist called and postponed all the family appointments for the time being so I understand it would be hard to stay solvent.

[kopp0e 1,135]

3 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

The article was behind a paywall and I was over the limit, but I looked around and it seems he was being evicted from his office for failure to pay rent? I thought evictions were on hold for awhile? Our dentist called and postponed all the family appointments for the time being so I understand it would be hard to stay solvent.

Well, these are dark times indeed.... More than likely, the guy is used to the income (obviously) & snapped over stress...

[Message Board User 12,405]

 

[burntorangebongos 10,809]

39 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

SIAP

 

That is chapping Senator Chris Murphy"s (CT) ass. He seems ready to take a rolling guillotine to the WH.  My question is why did Trump say that the states should order ventilators for themselves 2 weeks ago and now FEMA is bidding on ventilators too? Did they decide to centralize that order after all?  WTF? 

 

[Dnaguy 12,582]

4 hours ago, burntorangebongos said:

Governor Inslee looks like a fucking genius for going 2 weeks earlier than the rest and they haven't had a uptick surge like other regions. He seems like an intelligent and effective leader.  Every state is different but he seems to have handled it right from the jump. Good on him and his peeps.

Maybe he should be presid......

Ohhhh.

😐

[Gengs1 2,583]

29 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

Of course, nothing will come out of the and China will continue to make cheap stuff for us. As soon as this is over, the same companies will go, look they can make it cheaper and we become richer, let them make our medical shit got us, nothing to see here 

[kopp0e 1,135]

Wow:

Edited April 1, 2020 by kopp0e

[otisdog 365]

Holy shit....280 million masks from US warehouses  were sold to foreign countries yesterday. And our doctors and nurses are dying due to lack of PPE.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34,084]

2 minutes ago, otisdog said:

Holy shit....280 million masks from US warehouses  were sold to foreign countries yesterday. And our doctors and nurses are dying due to lack of PPE.

not to call you out, but link (and apologize if it was somewhere above)?

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

3 minutes ago, otisdog said:

Holy shit....280 million masks from US warehouses  were sold to foreign countries yesterday. And our doctors and nurses are dying due to lack of PPE.

Where are you seeing that?

[Pasken 1,310]

6 minutes ago, otisdog said:

Holy shit....280 million masks from US warehouses  were sold to foreign countries yesterday. And our doctors and nurses are dying due to lack of PPE.

Source?

[elfenix 34,662]

1 hour ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

So if I understood the article, Hatfield & Co was the middleman, but I wonder who the people with the inventory are? Hatfield wanted $6.3 mil for the order of a million masks with the option for the buyer of 2 million masks for $13 million.  The sales rep was cagey about where the inventory was, but someone is making some serious money off of this and the claim (not verified by the Tribune) that is was a doctor or consortium of doctors is just nauseating. Those health care providers in other states are falling ill so someone can charge over 6 dollars for a mask that should cost around a buck? The pursuit of money is the root of all evil.

i wouldn't be shocked if it was this asshole

 

Edited April 1, 2020 by elfenix

[Cairn Horn88 8,500]

14 minutes ago, otisdog said:

Holy shit....280 million masks from US warehouses  were sold to foreign countries yesterday. And our doctors and nurses are dying due to lack of PPE.

Link?

[sidis 9,992]

11 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

not to call you out, but link (and apologize if it was somewhere above)?

 

10 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Where are you seeing that?

there is a bit of cousin's neighbor's dog's friend's sister's teacher's ex-husband saw ferris at 31 flavors last night to this but...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2020/03/30/i-spent-a-day-in-the-coronavirus-driven-feeding-frenzy-of-n95-mask-sellers-and-buyers-and-this-is-what-i-learned/#31250f8d56d4

[Hank Scorpio 17,924]

 

[Biff Tannen 46,069]

32 minutes ago, Gengs1 said:

Of course, nothing will come out of the and China will continue to make cheap stuff for us. As soon as this is over, the same companies will go, look they can make it cheaper and we become richer, let them make our medical shit got us, nothing to see here 

For certain. Because we are incapable of learning and will never punish these companies. 

[F250 29,180]

24 minutes ago, otisdog said:

Holy shit....280 million masks from US warehouses  were sold to foreign countries yesterday. And our doctors and nurses are dying due to lack of PPE.

 

21 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

not to call you out, but link (and apologize if it was somewhere above)?

I saw this article earlier.

Last week, a Trump administration official working to secure much-needed protective gear for doctors and nurses in the United States had a startling encounter with counterparts in Thailand.

The official asked the Thais for help—only to be informed by the puzzled voices on the other side of the line that a U.S. shipment of the same supplies, the second of two so far, was already on its way to Bangkok.

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/31/pence-task-force-coronavirus-aid-157806

 

 

[otisdog 365]

Natasha Bertrand twitter, references a Forbes release

Sorry for the lack of  response, was dealing with Idaho earthquake issues. Thanks to all that posted link. Looks like Natasha was wrong in saying this happened yesterday, article is based on events that occurred last week.

Edited April 1, 2020 by otisdog

[Irieguy 1,059]

1 hour ago, kopp0e said:

Well, these are dark times indeed.... More than likely, the guy is used to the income (obviously) & snapped over stress...

The detective also found documents in Rafie’s house and office indicating he is having financial problems, including evidence that Rafie is “an avid gambler” at area casinos,  the charges say.

[wildcat09 29,567]

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

I am very staunchly anti-death penalty, but the executives need to get dragged out in the middle of the street and get shot right between the eyes. Vietnam classic picture style.  Examples need to be made.  

That’s too quick for them.

When this is all finally over, the profiteers and the officials who sat around with their dicks in their hands and allowed this to happen, and those who refused to provide aid to certain states for political reasons, need to be slowly dipped in acid. I’m also open to drawing and quartering, or anything else near that level of gruesome and painful.

[Party_Taco 3,883]

i notice florida just passed the 1000 new cases a day mark on bing's covid tracker

That is about to skyrocket... Worried about my friends in FL!

[cactusflinthead 27,626]

8 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

That’s too quick for them.

When this is all finally over, the profiteers and the officials who sat around with their dicks in their hands and allowed this to happen, and those who refused to provide aid to certain states for political reasons, need to be slowly dipped in acid. I’m also open to drawing and quartering, or anything else near that level of gruesome and painful.

Buried in an ant mound 

Staked out on top of bamboo shoots 

Good old fashioned flaying 

 

[Cairn Horn88 8,500]

[Degenerate Gardner 4,135]

17 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Do they only eat dairy?

[Burt 4,120]

Someone help me out with this.  So the US has 189,000 cases.  Roughly 4000 have died, and only 7100 have recovered.  Everyone keeps spouting that the death rate is around 2% (4000 divided by 189k).  But that would be the number only if every remaining case recovered. The way I'm seeing it, out of 11,000 resolved cases, 35% of those died and 65% recovered. 

I'm not suggesting a third of the people who catch this will die, but that number HAS to be more than 2%, right?  

[Mdhorn 6,153]

8 minutes ago, Burt said:

Someone help me out with this.  So the US has 189,000 cases.  Roughly 4000 have died, and only 7100 have recovered.  Everyone keeps spouting that the death rate is around 2% (4000 divided by 189k).  But that would be the number only if every remaining case recovered. The way I'm seeing it, out of 11,000 resolved cases, 35% of those died and 65% recovered. 

I'm not suggesting a third of the people who catch this will die, but that number HAS to be more than 2%, right?  

It's a difficult problem because the numbers are suspect, which begins with nobody knowing the number of people that are carriers.  

[Grade of D as in David 13,255]

2 hours ago, Hank Scorpio said:

 

This was definitely better than the doodle.

[Mdhorn 6,153]

4 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

In just over a month, Trump went from no American will die from this... to a few Americans might die from this... to about a quarter of a million Americans are going to die from this and everyone should be thanking me because it’s not a few million, to it's Obama's/Biden's fault.

Try wrapping your head around that fucking shit. 

FIFY

[henrygandorf 29,223]

1 hour ago, Mdhorn said:

It's a difficult problem because the numbers are suspect, which begins with nobody knowing the number of people that are carriers.  

if only there was some sort of way to test people. ahh, nevertheless. 

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

1 hour ago, Mdhorn said:

It's a difficult problem because the numbers are suspect, which begins with nobody knowing the number of people that are carriers.  

Yeah, I'd guess the mortality rate among current confirmed cases is going to end up very high since it either got bad enough for them to seek care, or they are an asymptomatic infected celebrity. Once normal asymptomatic infected people are counted, if they ever are, the mortality rate will be much lower.  I would not be shocked if 10% or more of NYC is already infected since 45,000 are already sick enough to go to seek medical attention. For every one of those, there are probably 10 who think they have a minor cold or don't feel sick at all.

[Junior Miller 1,502]

2 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

if only there was some sort of way to test people. ahh, nevertheless. 

We'll never know where we stand on this because we'll never have enough tests. We need enough tests to properly sample hundreds of thousands out of a few million population area to get a proper evaluation. That'll never happen with this shit administration.

I wouldn't be surprised if this lingers, millions die in 12 months, and Biden is president and dealing with this shit 10 months from now. 

Edited April 1, 2020 by Junior Miller

[Mapache 1,117]

 

[jimmyjazz 46,990]

I can't believe the CDC isn't randomly testing in various locations across the country.  NYC, New Orleans, Los Angeles, various small towns.  I'm not a stats guy, but it just doesn't feel like the actual required # of tests to get a feel for CV19 prevalence would actually be 100's of thousands.

Actually, I can believe the CDC isn't randomly testing in various locations across the country.  It's 2020 in America.

[Dnaguy 12,582]

6 hours ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

 

6 hours ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

Do they only eat dairy?

[kopp0e 1,135]

7 hours ago, Irieguy said:

The detective also found documents in Rafie’s house and office indicating he is having financial problems, including evidence that Rafie is “an avid gambler” at area casinos,  the charges say.

Ahh, that explains it... A dentist owing monies to the mob loan sharks... Yikes...

 

[TXSG8R 3,362]

10 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

The article was behind a paywall and I was over the limit, but I looked around and it seems he was being evicted from his office for failure to pay rent? I thought evictions were on hold for awhile? Our dentist called and postponed all the family appointments for the time being so I understand it would be hard to stay solvent.

He had been missing rent since December.  

[jimmyjazz 46,990]

Interesting story about a company in Waxahachie that manufactures a breathing aid which appears to have good clinical value:

Sea-Long

[Tuco 5,093]

5 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

Yeah, I'd guess the mortality rate among current confirmed cases is going to end up very high since it either got bad enough for them to seek care, or they are an asymptomatic infected celebrity. Once normal asymptomatic infected people are counted, if they ever are, the mortality rate will be much lower.  I would not be shocked if 10% or more of NYC is already infected since 45,000 are already sick enough to go to seek medical attention. For every one of those, there are probably 10 who think they have a minor cold or don't feel sick at all.

...or who think they have COVID-19, but aren't eligible to receive a test, either because they can't document an exposure to a confirmed case and/or they aren't in an at-risk group. 

As far as the mortality rate, I doubt it is above 2% with proper medical care.  On the Princess Diamond, everyone got tested, the mortality rate is currently at 1.5% (11/712), and that is likely with a demographic skewed towards older, but not infirmed.  But the big variable is "with proper medical care." Who knows what that rate is when you have people in an overcrowded hospital ward without enough ventilators or at home without anything. 

[jimmyjazz 46,990]

I don't think they tested everyone on Diamond Princess, but they got well over half.  This article says "over 3,000 tests", with some individuals being tested more than once.

Some takeaways:

-- 18% who tested positive showed no symptoms

-- because of the high # of elderly people on the ship, they expect more developed symptoms than would ordinarily happen in the general population

-- case fatality rate (CFR) of 1.1%, well lower than estimated by WHO (3.8%), incorporating data from China

 

Diamond Princess