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I'd just like to point out that neither myself nor any of my fellow nurses, fellow advanced nurse practitioners, and other healthcare providers ever swore an oath that we would lay down our lives for

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Welp, it finally happened. I snapped in public today. I went into work for a bit this morning because I’m trying to figure out the safest way to host physicians we are recruiting given our CV-19 sit

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I don't really know what to say anymore tbh. What happened last night is hard to put into words for anyone who hasn't worked in a hospital healthcare setting. Just unreal. Everyone is getting fucked.

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3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Boris Johnson in ICU?

Yes, this is from the Guardian:
 

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It is understood Johnson was moved to the intensive care unit just short of an hour and a half ago.

The decision was made by his medical team after his condition worsened over the course of Monday. The prime minister is understood to be conscious and to have been moved as a precaution in case he needs ventilation.

 

 

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1 hour ago, EMAWesome said:

You mean like when the Democrats were calling Trump racist and xenophobic after he issued the China travel ban?  Or like the Democrats holding up a relief bill to put funding for the Kennedy Center and the National Endowment for the Arts into it?  I could go along with what you say if you would have phrased it as "for them, being a politician is more important than leading people to safety."  because both parties have done things in their interests instead of the country's interest.

No, more like trump issuing a travel ban that doesn't ban all travel to the us, then completely fails to set up proper forced quarantine procedures for all American citizens coming back home. Then even more where he failed to mention US citizens where are excluded from the travel ban forcing thousands upon thousands to flood the country all at once. Where he again failed on quarantine procedures and customs streamlining leading to every major international airport in the country being inundated with thousands of people all packed on top of each other with no testing, no PPE, and no quarantine. 

So yeah, you might want to just shut the fuck up and get the fuck out. 

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In Trump’s predecessors, for all their imperfections, I could sense the beat of a heart and see the glimmer of a soul. In him I can’t, and that fills me with a sorrow and a rage that I quite frankly don’t know what to do with.

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To which I answer: What’s the point of having a showman for a president if he can’t put on the right kind of show? Performances count, even if they’re just performances. And Trump clearly isn’t averse to artifice. Just look at his hair.

A cheap shot? I’m feeling cheap. A loss of life and livelihoods on this scale will do that to you.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/opinion/trump-coronavirus-empathy.html

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1 minute ago, Junior Miller said:

No, more like trump issuing a travel ban that doesn't ban all travel to the us, then completely fails to set up proper forced quarantine procedures for all American citizens coming back home. Then even more where he failed to mention US citizens where are excluded from the travel ban forcing thousands upon thousands to flood the country all at once. Where he again failed on quarantine procedures and customs streamlining leading to every major international airport in the country being inundated with thousands of people all packed on top of each other with no testing, no PPE, and no quarantine. 

So yeah, you might want to just shut the fuck up and get the fuck out. 

Yeah, my favorite story is the one where the passengers from the cruise ship which had a COVID outbreak is just dropped off in ATL to find their domestic flights home.  

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17 minutes ago, DigDug said:

Sorry to go back, but I heard this morning, and it's unconfirmed, that Karen's family has insisted on changing her cause of death from corona to unknown.  Apparently they don't accept corona as a cause.  

 

It's more accurate to change cause of death to either hubris or general stupidity.

Or God's plan.

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1 minute ago, Junior Miller said:

No, more like trump issuing a travel ban that doesn't ban all travel to the us, then completely fails to set up proper forced quarantine procedures for all American citizens coming back home. Then even more where he failed to mention US citizens where are excluded from the travel ban forcing thousands upon thousands to flood the country all at once. Where he again failed on quarantine procedures and customs streamlining leading to every major international airport in the country being inundated with thousands of people all packed on top of each other with no testing, no PPE, and no quarantine. 

So yeah, you might want to just shut the fuck up and get the fuck out. 

I guess the Evangelicals really have influenced the modern day GOP. Everything ends up with a begat.

It's a counter to the GOP blame game which also ends up with a string of begats. I am sometimes agog at how far back the begats go. It used to just be the emails, but now it has been stretching back to the early days of George W. Bush which begat Barak Obama which begat the tan suit which begat...you get the idea.

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There’s a lot of shit in his word salad that’s bad, but there is definitely some military truth to some of it. Crozier’s letter leaking seems to be intentional, so he did that understanding he was sacrificing his career to bring this to the attention of people outside his chain of command. Modly can’t really speak well of a decision like that, but his choice of words are still over the top, especially in light of the send off the guy got on video. Know your audience bro. 

One thing that’s being overlooked by the outrage around Crozier is he did make a pretty significant OPSEC error. He told the world that one of our greatest military assets is not at battle readiness.  Again, Modly didn’t handle it well in the speech, but that kind of thing is a huge fuckup at every level of the military, and is unforgivable for a guy in Crozier’s position. That’s one place that Crozier moves from well intentioned to squarely wrong.

The rant by the twitter guy about the mission being more important than people?  Yea, that’s the military in a nutshell. You get one voluntary decision when it comes to the military, are you going to join willingly or not. After that, you’re a tool at the pentagon’s disposal, and you don’t get to say no unless the command is illegal.  That’s how it’s always been. I understand Crozier’s stance that this isn’t war and that we shouldn’t be losing sailors due to hubris, but Modly is correct that the military never gets to put the mission to the side. 

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2 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

There’s a lot of shit in his word salad that’s bad, but there is definitely some military truth to some of it. Crozier’s letter leaking seems to be intentional, so he did that understanding he was sacrificing his career to bring this to the attention of people outside his chain of command. Modly can’t really speak well of a decision like that, but his choice of words are still over the top, especially in light of the send off the guy got on video. Know your audience bro. 

One thing that’s being overlooked by the outrage around Crozier is he did make a pretty significant OPSEC error. He told the world that one of our greatest military assets is not at battle readiness.  Again, Modly didn’t handle it well in the speech, but that kind of thing is a huge fuckup at every level of the military, and is unforgivable for a guy in Crozier’s position. That’s one place that Crozier moves from well intentioned to squarely wrong.

The rant by the twitter guy about the mission being more important than people?  Yea, that’s the military in a nutshell. You get one voluntary decision when it comes to the military, are you going to join willingly or not. After that, you’re a tool at the pentagon’s disposal, and you don’t get to say no unless the command is illegal.  That’s how it’s always been. I understand Crozier’s stance that this isn’t war and that we shouldn’t be losing sailors due to hubris, but Modly is correct that the military never gets to put the mission to the side. 

Well, he's a retired CPO. 

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24 minutes ago, DigDug said:

Sorry to go back, but I heard this morning, and it's unconfirmed, that Karen's family has insisted on changing her cause of death from corona to unknown.  Apparently they don't accept corona as a cause.  

 

In all fairness to Karen, she was fat as an old horse.  So it could have been a number of things.

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9 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

It's more accurate to change cause of death to either hubris or general stupidity.

Or God's plan.

Someone should make a tribute vid for Covid Karen with some of her Facebook posts set to Drake.  I like the following part for her:

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God's plan, God's plan
I hold back, sometimes I won't, yuh
I feel good, sometimes I don't, ay, don't
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Bad things
It's a lot of bad things
That they wishin' and wishin' and wishin' and wishin'
They wishin' on me

 

 

I'm sure the family would appreciate that.

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Here's a recording from the vessel of the address, complete with sailors reacting in real-time in the background

What an absolute bag of shit. His use of the word "betrayal" triggers UCMJ concerns, since treason is punishable by death. And "betraying" your nation and brothers in arms certainly constitutes treason, if they really feel that strongly.

What a fucking shithead and a perfect representative of the Trump admin. Calls the beloved captain stupid. Says the media is biased against the Navy. Plays the victim card. Sounds like he was reading his speech off of a Trump bingo card.  

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That's extraordinary.  I am blown away that the crew of a capital ship in the United States Navy would be so enraged to loudly express that to the SecNav.
That ship has to be a tinderbox right now.

And wasn’t the Secretary’s point that even if the Captain didn’t deliberately release his letter, he’s too naive and stupid to keep command if he didn’t realize someone would leak it?

So, shouldn’t the Secretary be relieved of his command for being stupid and naive enough to make an inflammatory speech without realizing someone on that huge ship would leak his comments?
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And wasn’t the Secretary’s point that even if the Captain didn’t deliberately release his letter, he’s too naive and stupid to keep command if he didn’t realize someone would leak it?

So, shouldn’t the Secretary be relieved of his command for being stupid and naive enough to make an inflammatory speech without realizing someone on that huge ship would leak his comments?

Why should SECNAV be fired? He defended the president above all else. That's what "serving your country" means now.

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4 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Who's next in line in GB?  I have no idea how it works.

 

2 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Yeah, I’m ignorant on their line of succession as well.

Is there a Vice Prime Minister? Would they be forced to hold another election?

Guess I need to do some Googling.

Apparently it's not clear in their governmental rules, which seems crazy. 

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The 9/11 Era Is Over

The coronavirus pandemic and a chapter of history that should have expired long ago

In retrospect, the clearest harbinger from the Obama years of the future we’re now living in came in the fall of 2014. At a time when the American people were in a full-blown panic about ISIS, in the aftermath of the tragic beheading of four American hostages, we were confronted with the outbreak of an infectious disease, Ebola, that threatened to kill millions of people. By deploying the U.S. military to West Africa, recruiting dozens of countries to contribute health-care workers and equipment, and integrating America’s public-health and national-security infrastructure under unified direction, Obama was able to lead a coalition that stamped out the Ebola outbreak close to its source. It was a high-water mark of Obama’s international leadership.

But the episode haunted Obama. He regularly told foreign visitors that fears of a pandemic kept him awake at night. By the time Obama’s presidency ended, he had established a directorate on global-health security at the National Security Council, developed a playbook for a future administration to use to combat pandemics, and used a Cabinet-level homeland-security exercise with incoming Trump officials to put them through the decision-making process of responding to an outbreak. But the president coming into office was intent not on building on Obama’s legacy, but on dismantling it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/its-not-september-12-anymore/609502/?utm_source=share&utm_campaign=share

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Apparently it's not clear in their governmental rules, which seems crazy. 

from what i could piece together, when he passes away everyone keeps their positions and the queen appoints a new pm

anyone else reading this ?

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Yeah, seems like the U.K. is a clusterfuck in terms of a succession plan.

UK prime minister Boris Johnson, who is battling Covid-19, is in intensive care. Johnson, 55, was diagnosed with the disease 10 days ago, and while UK officials say that the prime minister remains in charge, he has largely been absent from public life ever since.

In the UK, health officials advise people to stay at home if they experience Covid-19 symptoms. The specialist care in hospitals is largely for people who are having difficulty breathing. The prime minister is in St. Thomas’, one of London’s biggest public hospitals.

Johnson’s hospitalization raises a grim question: Who in the UK government takes over if the prime minister becomes incapacitated, or even dies? Some countries have succession plans that are set in stone. The UK does, too, but it’s reserved for its monarch. If Johnson is no longer able to carry out his duties, it’s not clear what happens next. He is not the head of state in the UK, and his role is a matter of convention rather than constitution.

If a prime minister departs suddenly for any reason, the party to which they belong elects a new leader and, after confirmation by the Queen, that person becomes the new permanent prime minister. That process could take days, or even weeks.

In an emergency, like the one the UK is facing right now, the baton would most likely be passed first to one of the three most senior government ministers: the chancellor (finance minister), home secretary, or foreign secretary. But there is no written rule that states which of those three would take charge. Dominic Raab, the country’s foreign secretary, is now chairing government meetings while Johnson is sick.

It is also possible, constitutionally, to have no prime minister. Senior ministers could take turns running meetings, while the delivery of their policies has always been a matter for Britain’s civil service. Nature abhors a vacuum, however, and a crisis probably needs a leader.


And let’s take a look at the illustrious past of Dominic Raab - the apparent acting Prime Minister.

Controversies

Libel case

On 30 January 2011, The Mail on Sunday published an article alleging that Raab, in his previous role as Chief of Staff to David Davis in 2007, had paid a female employee £20,000 in an out-of-court settlement as part of a confidentiality agreement to drop a claim of workplace bullying. Raab responded by stating: "This is a smear and any insinuation that I have behaved improperly is false and malicious". He subsequently sued the newspaper for libel. The Mail on Sunday's publisher Associated Newspapers' attempt to stop the action was denied by the High Court in December 2011.[53]

During these proceedings, it was disclosed that the employee had taken a claim against Raab to an employment tribunal, where it was settled with a compromise agreement which included monetary compensation and a confidentiality clause for both parties.[54][55] The newspaper issued an apology on 18 March 2012, stating: "We accept that our allegations were unfounded and we apologise to Mr Raab for the damage, embarrassment and offence caused".[56][57]

Westminster dossier

Main article: 2017 Westminster sexual scandals
In late October 2017, a dossier listing allegations of a mainly sexual nature against several dozen Conservative MPs made internally by party researchers was circulated at Westminster and amongst journalists.[58] Raab wrote on his website at the beginning of November that his entry made a false accusation of an "Injunction for inappropriate behaviour with a woman".[59] He commented: "I have never been served with any injunction for anything. Nor have I ever sought one". It was "false and malicious" to make "any insinuation that I have engaged in anything resembling sexual harassment, sexually abusive behaviour or lewd remarks". He believed the dossier itself was a "form of harassment and intimidation".[59] Raab said he was taking legal advice.[58]

Unpaid internship advertisement

In February 2018, Raab advertised for an unpaid intern just ahead of a Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS) publication responding to the Taylor review on insecure work. The BEIS report criticised "exploitative unpaid internships", saying "an employer cannot avoid paying someone the minimum wage simply by calling them an 'intern' or saying that they are doing an internship."[60]

Impact of immigration on the housing market

In April 2018, Raab said in an interview that immigration had "put house prices up by something like 20%" over the past 25 years.[61] The UK Statistics Authority asked Raab to publish the evidence for his claim. A document published by the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government shows that the finding was based on an out-of-date model that had never been intended for this kind of analysis. Raab defended the model and said: "I did indeed say care was needed with the data, and I was right that immigration put average prices up by 20%. We need a balanced approach."[62]


A history of allegations of sexual harassment, solicitation of “slave labor”, and misleading anti-immigrant rhetoric with a dash of insisting he’s correct even when facts prove otherwise.

The more things change.....
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3 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Probably belongs in the alt-right thread as well, but batshit gonna batshit:

 

 

Makes sense to me.

Wait, hold on a sec. Just how do we know, exactly, that Trump was chosen by an invisible man living in the sky? What if he was a huge Hillary supporter? How is Curt privy to that information in the first place?

 

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from what i could piece together, when he passes away everyone keeps their positions and the queen appoints a new pm

anyone else reading this ?

I think the queen makes the "official appointment", but after they are elected by parliament. 

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58 minutes ago, Junior Miller said:

No, more like trump issuing a travel ban that doesn't ban all travel to the us, then completely fails to set up proper forced quarantine procedures for all American citizens coming back home. Then even more where he failed to mention US citizens where are excluded from the travel ban forcing thousands upon thousands to flood the country all at once. Where he again failed on quarantine procedures and customs streamlining leading to every major international airport in the country being inundated with thousands of people all packed on top of each other with no testing, no PPE, and no quarantine. 

So yeah, you might want to just shut the fuck up and get the fuck out. 

Apparently some 450,000 travelers came from China after this tremendous travel ban.

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52 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

There’s a lot of shit in his word salad that’s bad, but there is definitely some military truth to some of it. Crozier’s letter leaking seems to be intentional, so he did that understanding he was sacrificing his career to bring this to the attention of people outside his chain of command. Modly can’t really speak well of a decision like that, but his choice of words are still over the top, especially in light of the send off the guy got on video. Know your audience bro. 

One thing that’s being overlooked by the outrage around Crozier is he did make a pretty significant OPSEC error. He told the world that one of our greatest military assets is not at battle readiness.  Again, Modly didn’t handle it well in the speech, but that kind of thing is a huge fuckup at every level of the military, and is unforgivable for a guy in Crozier’s position. That’s one place that Crozier moves from well intentioned to squarely wrong.

The rant by the twitter guy about the mission being more important than people?  Yea, that’s the military in a nutshell. You get one voluntary decision when it comes to the military, are you going to join willingly or not. After that, you’re a tool at the pentagon’s disposal, and you don’t get to say no unless the command is illegal.  That’s how it’s always been. I understand Crozier’s stance that this isn’t war and that we shouldn’t be losing sailors due to hubris, but Modly is correct that the military never gets to put the mission to the side. 

Well, you know if the republicans weren't just letting one of their greatest military assets rot away under attack from this virus he wouldn't have had to do any of that. 

It all goes back to republican incompetence and gross negligence under trump. Every fuck up does. 

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