CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Anastasis 23393]

3 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

The mental stress of being in that environment is something I cannot even begin to imagine. All I can do is pray for the nurses, doctors and other folks there who are trying to save lives while seeing people dying all around them right now. It's just so sad. We are going to wind up seeing a slew of suicides from people in the healthcare profession because of what they are dealing with if we do not get them some counseling and therapy.

Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

Jesus was misquoted.

The greatest love is that one lay down their life for a total stranger.  That is what our frontline healthcare professionals are doing every day. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

36 minutes ago, honolulu horn said:

He has textbook Narcissistic Personality Disorder, as Anastasis has noted. Sadly that's not uncommon in many high level politicians. And while it's been my contention that most high-level politicians also have higher levels of psychopathy (narcissism, glibness, lying easily, shallow emotions) than the general population, what separates Trump from the others is his malignancy with these characterological deficits. He's a 10 out of 10 on both. He's a narcissist's narcissist and psychopath's psychopath. He also embodies the scarier facets of narcissism and psychopathy -- winning at all costs, reveling in others' despair, callousness, law breaking, and a sense of divine purpose that borders on delusional. 

Every great politician has traces of it. But like you say,, trump is off the chart, and therefore dangerous. We will never emerge from this until he is neutralized.

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Look I don't actually expect any of your political compatriots to actually hold you to account.  Like I said, a certain poverty of expectations for certain posters around here. 

Thanks. I will get back to you. 

In the meantime, drinks are on the house. And if you are the kind of man who wants to know how is buying your drinks, it’s not a matter that should concern you. At least at this point.

[Anastasis 23393]

5 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

And if you are the kind of man who wants to know how is buying your drinks, it’s not a matter that should concern you. At least at this point.

Hey I don't judge. You do you man.

[TDunk 590]

15 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

Jesus was misquoted.

The greatest love is that one lay down their life for a total stranger.  That is what our frontline healthcare professionals are doing every day. 

I mentioned to a co-worker the other day that this is like entering a leper colony that has been brought to us.  But at least with the colony, we knew what each person was up against.  The anxiety and stress this has caused is comparable to PTSD and that is warranted.  

[elfenix 34171]

8 hours ago, horn4life said:

Again I come back to say the US is cooking the books on the number of infections.  30,000+ about every day, means we simply do not have testing. With a 30K increase daily I am guessing 100K in daily testing? We have 330,000,000, I bolded what I think we are testing daily, so in 3300 days we can all get tested at this pace?

Without testing how the fuck do we get the economy back on track?  Just have Mike Pence say a prayer, and hope for the best?

 I saw Yeti Jump 10% today along with a lot of the market, on the hope is that part of summer can be salvaged.  I don't think that's gonna be the case. This may be Pearl Harbor week, but in two weeks you are going to start to see the results of the Florida "come on down" economy before health experiment. Think I'm gonna short it if it moves a few more percent upward tomorrow.

seems like the last week we've been stuck at about 145,000 test results a day.  not sure how the big data dump that happened on april 4 fits in. 

https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily

 

 

 

[safe sex 11678]

I'd just like to point out that neither myself nor any of my fellow nurses, fellow advanced nurse practitioners, and other healthcare providers ever swore an oath that we would lay down our lives for strangers. We just ask that we be properly protected in order to care for our patients. We have always shown up, and our "higher ups" or "administration" or whatever you want to call them consistently fail to fulfill the duties and responsibilities they have towards us. This is just their most public failing, and hopefully something positive comes from it. But I have my doubts. 

[Anastasis 23393]

16 minutes ago, trauma babe said:

I'd just like to point out that neither myself nor any of my fellow nurses, fellow advanced nurse practitioners, and other healthcare providers ever swore an oath that we would lay down our lives for strangers. We just ask that we be properly protected in order to care for our patients. We have always shown up, and our "higher ups" or "administration" or whatever you want to call them consistently fail to fulfill the duties and responsibilities they have towards us. This is just their most public failing, and hopefully something positive comes from it. But I have my doubts. 

Thank you for what you are doing under these circumstances. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

This motherfucker here.

[shnsajax 3589]

6 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

This motherfucker here, fucks his poolboy.

fify

 

[UDontKnow 10439]

I guess pool boy-fucking junior is a slight upgrade from his daddy who fucked sheep. <Gasp!> Falwell Sr was an aggy!

[UDontKnow 10439]

1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

This motherfucker here.

 

https://www.toddstarnes.com/show/bro-bernie-is-done-listen-live-to-the-todd-starnes-show-april-8-2020/

Are those warrants even legitimate? Who did Falwell bribe to have warrants for trespassing? It's the lamest form of revenge he could have possibly sought. I'm no attorney at law, but the charges seem questionable. Sure Liberty University is private, but when the campus is open to some degree, it's reasonable to have other people (including journalists) on campus. 

P.S. Behind Todd Starnes's smug and satisfied demeanor is an angry incel. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by UDontKnow

[UDontKnow 10439]

5 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

Hey Doc.

Does Trump have narcissistic personality disorder? Yes or no. 

[Hookah Horns 3073]

5 hours ago, UDontKnow said:

https://www.toddstarnes.com/show/bro-bernie-is-done-listen-live-to-the-todd-starnes-show-april-8-2020/

Are those warrants even legitimate? Who did Falwell bribe to have warrants for trespassing? It's the lamest form of revenge he could have possibly sought. I'm no attorney at law, but the charges seem questionable. Sure Liberty University is private, but when the campus is open to some degree, it's reasonable to have other people (including journalists) on campus. 

P.S. Behind Todd Starnes's smug and satisfied demeanor is an angry incel. 

The NYT GC says the photog was invited by a student. If that can be corroborated, that'll be enough to beat the charge. 

But it's no doubt a pussy ass move by the pool boy fucker. The judge who signed the warrants is a cocksucker too.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Hookah Horns

[Bullneck 18987]

6 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

This motherfucker here.

 

I ventured down this worm hole for a few minutes.  Yes, by all means, "chip in with a generous contribution."  

Firing an AR-15 at the Green New Deal.  

 

 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Bullneck

[Kyrie Eleison 9312]

Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.
Jesus was misquoted.
The greatest love is that one lay down their life for a total stranger.  That is what our frontline healthcare professionals are doing every day. 

not misquoted...it’s a mistranslation.

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

1 minute ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

not misquoted...it’s a mistranslation.

Correct. The actual translation is "The greatest love is that one lay down their life for the stock market." - Dan Patrick

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

9 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

I ventured down this worm hole for a few minutes.  Yes, by all means, "chip in with a generous contribution."  

Firing an AR-15 at the Green New Deal.  

 

 

It's like watching a truck commercial during an NFL game. Why would anyone buy what she's selling when you know its schtick?

[cactusflinthead 27594]

20 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

I ventured down this worm hole for a few minutes.  Yes, by all means, "chip in with a generous contribution."  

Firing an AR-15 at the Green New Deal.  

 

 

Greene was asked about the fact that she originally began campaigning for Congress in the 6th Congressional District, which includes many of the northern suburbs of Atlanta and is represented by Democrat Lucy McBath. Greene said she had many supporters in the 14th District ask her to run here and she became convinced that a Republican probably could not win in the 6th District, so she and her family moved to the 14th District.

https://www.dailycitizen.news/news/local_news/potential-candidates-for-georgias-14th-congressional-district-seat-talk-to-dalton-tea-party/article_c326edd3-b472-5d02-be50-1b87f6dd59fc.html

Cook PVI R+27

 

[TXSG8R 3360]

11 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Look the federal government is a backup to the states who are a backup to the cities so you’re on your fucking own.

So, second wave is going to be worst than the first?

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

Be best when being best means you're dead? O'Reilly tells Hannity on Fox: "people who died from COVID-19 were on their last legs anyway."

 

[RPM 26215]

4 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

So, second wave is going to be worst than the first?

Hopefully we will have a legitimate leader a year from now that can save what's left of us.

[TXSG8R 3360]

25 minutes ago, RPM said:

Hopefully we will have a legitimate leader a year from now that can save what's left of us.

I meant the more immediate second wave, which I guess is technically still the first wave.  Philly, Baltimore, Texas, Colorado, etc.  All the states that are surging behind the initial hot spots.  

Edit:  I see this being worse not only because of the lack of testing support by the fed, but I expect a lot of people relaxing after NY starts coming down thinking that NY's crest somehow means randomtown USA has peaked as well. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by TXSG8R

[Biff Tannen 45491]

7 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

This motherfucker here.

 

Must be from the Devin Nunes school of frivolous lawsuits.

[DixonHur 11170]

1 hour ago, Bullneck said:

I ventured down this worm hole for a few minutes.  Yes, by all means, "chip in with a generous contribution."  

Firing an AR-15 at the Green New Deal.  

 

 

Yes, by all means let's save America from the horrors of socialism. 

I went to the emergency room here, in a country with that spooky socialized medicine, 2 days ago...and while it wasn't the most aesthetically pleasing place, there was no wait, the care was excellent, and my total bill was...wait for it...$3.60. 

[Biff Tannen 45491]

1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

Yes, by all means let's save America from the horrors of socialism. 

I went to the emergency room here, in a country with that spooky socialized medicine, 2 days ago...and while it wasn't the most aesthetically pleasing place, there was no wait, the care was excellent, and my total bill was...wait for it...$3.60. 

 

Yes, but they're cheating.

 

[DixonHur 11170]

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/fxoxti/coronavirus_deaths_vs_other_epidemics_from_day_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Can't figure out how to embed, but this is crazy, if someone could help.

Edited April 9, 2020 by DixonHur

[Gap03 3277]

Here you go.

[Thiefery 4965]

11 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/fxoxti/coronavirus_deaths_vs_other_epidemics_from_day_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Can't figure out how to embed, but this is crazy, if someone could help.

I tend to stay away from everything on Reddit but those graphs were incredible

[Anastasis 23393]

Anecdotes from non-quacks in the United States starting to come in. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/no-miraculous-recovery-some-icu-doctors-say-hydroxychloroquine-isn-t-n1177556

At least anecdotally, a handful of critical care physicians across the country have told NBC News they've seen no evidence the drug is helping their sickest patients in intensive care.

"We've been using it," said Dr. Hugh Cassiere, a pulmonologist and medical director of Respiratory Care Services at North Shore University Hospital in Long Island, New York, a hot spot for the pandemic in the United States. "But we really haven't seen any efficacy."

"I'm not convinced it works," said Lyn-Kew, adding, "I've not seen anybody have anything near what I would call a miraculous recovery because of hydroxychloroquine."

In Louisiana, Dr. Josh Denson, a pulmonary medicine and critical care physician at the Tulane University Medical Center in New Orleans, said that "many patients do fine and tolerate it, but I don't think it's making a difference."

I've not seen anybody have anything near what I would call a miraculous recovery because of hydroxychloroquine.

"We're using it; it's all we have," Denson added. Louisiana has also been hit hard by the coronavirus, with at least 16,284 cases and 582 deaths.

"I can't honestly say that I think that it's necessarily an effective agent at this point," said Diaz, of the Providence Regional Medical Center in Washington state. Diaz was involved in the treatment of the first patient in the U.S. diagnosed with the coronavirus.

[Captainant 27442]

2 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

I think this is more of an indication that the Federal Government sees the need for local governments to handle local testing and for the Feds to focus on the country-wide need to get the economy going/save jobs. And I hate the word "defunding". 

apologies for dragging you into CR, but I didn't want to upset anyone's sensibilities in the DT thread.

There's a genuine issue that even if the local governments had their act together to get test collection and administration going - THERES STILL NOT ENOUGH FUCKING TESTS IN THE UNITED STATES! That's not something that local governments can fix, and frankly is exactly what the federal government should be responsible for. It's an issue that spans state borders and affects interstate commerce. Federal government is written all over it.

It's a fucking failure that they have not built the testing capacity, or bought/licensed it from another country, like South Korea or Germany that has its shit together. 

The lack of testing capacity is the biggest bottleneck, and that's something that really only the feds are equipped to solve on a national level.

[wildcat09 29225]

18 minutes ago, Captainant said:

apologies for dragging you into CR, but I didn't want to upset anyone's sensibilities in the DT thread.

There's a genuine issue that even if the local governments had their act together to get test collection and administration going - THERES STILL NOT ENOUGH FUCKING TESTS IN THE UNITED STATES! That's not something that local governments can fix, and frankly is exactly what the federal government should be responsible for. It's an issue that spans state borders and affects interstate commerce. Federal government is written all over it.

It's a fucking failure that they have not built the testing capacity, or bought/licensed it from another country, like South Korea or Germany that has its shit together. 

The lack of testing capacity is the biggest bottleneck, and that's something that really only the feds are equipped to solve on a national level.

It seems obvious that the administration has reverted back to its original plan, which was to pretend covid isn't a big deal and hope that the media pretends along with them. By refusing to expand tests, the thousands who contract covid and die without getting tested won't be included in the official count and Trump can pretend that we beat it. Obviously, the blue states won't go along with that bullshit but the conservative media will as will the red states.

We've got some of the lowest testing rates in the country. It'll be interesting to see what happens when Abbott tries to go along with Trump's plan but the cities tell him to fuck himself and stay locked down. 

[Anastasis 23393]

10 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It's a fucking failure that they have not built the testing capacity, or bought/licensed it from another country, like South Korea or Germany that has its shit together. 

The lack of testing capacity is the biggest bottleneck, and that's something that really only the feds are equipped to solve on a national level.

The testing strategy and roll out has been fucked.

Maybe the answer is not greater centralization of resources and decision making in Washington.  SK has an extremely homogeneous and dense population of 50+MM covering an area roughly the same triangulated by SA, Dallas, and Houston. Likewise you can fit two of Germanys inside Texas, and their population is much more dense. 

Maybe the answer is a distributed network of strong state departments of health equipped with both the appropriate staffing and resources necessary to formulate and implement a response that makes sense on a regional basis. 

Leading, coordination, communication and broad strategy is of course important, and the federal government should play a role in that. 

Over-reliance on a centralized federal response however, at both the CDC and the FDA, is a good measure of the reason why our testing has been fucked.  If we want to have the agility to respond like SK or Germany perhaps decentralization is the answer. 

[Biff Tannen 45491]

3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Over-reliance on a centralized federal response however, at both the CDC and the FDA, is a good measure of the reason why our testing has been fucked

If we had any kind of even REMOTELY competent administration, this would not be the case.

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

We've got some of the lowest testing rates in the country. It'll be interesting to see what happens when Abbott tries to go along with Trump's plan but the cities tell him to fuck himself and stay locked down. 

I don't know that many will, though. For example, even if Houston does stay locked down, people will still travel into the city even if some places stay shut. The pressure to open back up will be great. It  hurts the large cities and plays into the GOP plans: large cities have large numbers of blue voters, large hospitals that take in patients from rural areas, and bankrupts those cities in ways that are different than it does small rural communities.

[Captainant 27442]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

The testing strategy and roll out has been fucked.

Maybe the answer is not greater centralization of resources and decision making in Washington.  SK has an extremely homogeneous and dense population of 50+MM covering an area roughly the same triangulated by SA, Dallas, and Houston. Likewise you can fit two of Germanys inside Texas, and their population is much more dense. 

Maybe the answer is a distributed network of strong state departments of health equipped with both the appropriate staffing and resources necessary to formulate and implement a response that makes sense on a regional basis. 

Leading, coordination, communication and broad strategy is of course important, and the federal government should play a role in that. 

Over-reliance on a centralized federal response however, at both the CDC and the FDA, is a good measure of the reason why our testing has been fucked.  If we want to have the agility to respond like SK or Germany perhaps decentralization is the answer. 

States that give a shit about healthcare? You mean socialism? [/GOP]

Yeah, it sure would be great if our situation were completely different from how it is now, and everyone was acting in good faith. But the hand we've been dealt doesn't have a path that leads us to the outcome you postulate of an effective, but decentralized local response. That's just fantasy land.

[David Dennison 18652]

11 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The testing strategy and roll out has been fucked.

Maybe the answer is not greater centralization of resources and decision making in Washington.  SK has an extremely homogeneous and dense population of 50+MM covering an area roughly the same triangulated by SA, Dallas, and Houston. Likewise you can fit two of Germanys inside Texas, and their population is much more dense. 

Maybe the answer is a distributed network of strong state departments of health equipped with both the appropriate staffing and resources necessary to formulate and implement a response that makes sense on a regional basis. 

Leading, coordination, communication and broad strategy is of course important, and the federal government should play a role in that. 

Over-reliance on a centralized federal response however, at both the CDC and the FDA, is a good measure of the reason why our testing has been fucked.  If we want to have the agility to respond like SK or Germany perhaps decentralization is the answer. 

The above is a perfect example of why Ronald Reagan was the worst president of the 20th century.

[Anastasis 23393]

6 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

If we had any kind of even REMOTELY competent administration, this would not be the case.

Bureaucratic incompetence at CDC spans across administrations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/opinion/joe-nocera-failures-of-competence.html

The Ebola outbreak is not exactly enhancing the C.D.C.'s reputation for competence. At first, the agency reassured the public that American hospitals were ready to handle any Ebola cases that came their way. That has turned out not to be the case. When Thomas Eric Duncan was diagnosed with Ebola in Dallas, the C.D.C. did not immediately fly in an expert team — something that the C.D.C. director, Tom Frieden, now says it should have done. Most recently, the C.D.C. appears to have allowed one of the Dallas nurses who helped Duncan to take a flight from Ohio to Texas even though she had a slightly raised temperature. When it became clear that she had contracted the virus — the second nurse to do so — Frieden was forced to admit that letting her on the plane was a mistake.

Meanwhile, Frieden, a highly respected public health expert, had to walk back some of his remarks. Congress — including Democrats — appears dismayed by the mistakes. Perhaps the biggest one the C.D.C. made was that its voluntary guidelines for treating Ebola patients were too lax. In The Times a few days ago, Donald G. McNeil quoted several experts saying the protocols established by the C.D.C. were, in the words of one, “absolutely irresponsible and dead wrong.” One important protocol is having a “site supervisor” watching for errors. The C.D.C. has now included that guideline.

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

Laura Ingraham going hyperbolic over Dr. Fauci:

She is referring to a recent interview Dr. Fauci gave to the WSJ. Most of the interview (I listened to it) concerned how might society work post coronavirus restrictions. Here is his quote:
 

Quote

 

 "I don't think we're ever going to get back to free-flying lack of attention to what transmissibility of infections are. I think that people are going to be careful.

"I don't think we should ever shake hands ever again, to be honest with you. Not only would it be good to prevent coronavirus disease, it probably would decrease instances of influenza dramatically in this country."

 

Nice Laura. Reporter asks the top infectious disease specialist his opinion. Do you note the words, "I think" and "we should?"

Fox Entertainment tv for the triggered hate-ree-otts.

[4th&Five 41457]

Her picture should be next to Cunt in the dictionary.  Nobody encapsulates that word more.

[Red Five 40633]

I like how she immediately made the leap to “omg does he think shaking hands should be illegal??”.

[honolulu horn 6157]

47 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It's a fucking failure that they have not built the testing capacity, or bought/licensed it from another country, like South Korea or Germany that has its shit together. 

The lack of testing capacity is the biggest bottleneck, and that's something that really only the feds are equipped to solve on a national level.

[DigglerontheHoof 21053]

7 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Laura Ingraham going hyperbolic over Dr. Fauci:

She is referring to a recent interview Dr. Fauci gave to the WSJ. Most of the interview (I listened to it) concerned how might society work post coronavirus restrictions. Here is his quote:
 

Nice Laura. Reporter asks the top infectious disease specialist his opinion. Do you note the words, "I think" and "we should?"

Fox Entertainment tv for the triggered hate-ree-otts.

Doesn't she know her orange god is all for eliminating the custom of shaking hands?  I mean he's got tiny hands and is a germ-o-phobe.  It's a lose/lose for him.

[Guest Lobo]

Trump is lucky, at 6'3", his hands are those of a man who is maybe 5'7"...which makes Pence's cock look yyyyyuuuuuuuge.  

[TwiceHorn 31263]

25 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

If we had any kind of even REMOTELY competent administration, this would not be the case.

Not to defend the administration in any way, shape, or form, but from a "policy" or practical standpoint, I think Anastasis has a point.

Testing SITES is a different deal from testing CAPABILITY.  I think the capability issue is well within federal purview with its purchasing power and ability to influence federal agencies and national private industry, the sites probably ought to be left to the states and locals.

[NameAlreadyInUse 5106]

9 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I like how she immediately made the leap to “omg does he think shaking hands should be illegal??”.

It's a projection.  Republicans always want to outlaw things they don't think people should do, so they expect everyone else wants to do the same.  They don't realize that there are a huge fucking majority of us who would decide we don't want to do something, and think maybe other people shouldn't do it, but we're not going to pass any laws to make those things illegal.  Jesus Christ, it's like they don't want to live in a free country.

[Brisketexan 104558]

33 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The testing strategy and roll out has been fucked.

Maybe the answer is not greater centralization of resources and decision making in Washington.  SK has an extremely homogeneous and dense population of 50+MM covering an area roughly the same triangulated by SA, Dallas, and Houston. Likewise you can fit two of Germanys inside Texas, and their population is much more dense. 

Maybe the answer is a distributed network of strong state departments of health equipped with both the appropriate staffing and resources necessary to formulate and implement a response that makes sense on a regional basis. 

Leading, coordination, communication and broad strategy is of course important, and the federal government should play a role in that. 

Over-reliance on a centralized federal response however, at both the CDC and the FDA, is a good measure of the reason why our testing has been fucked.  If we want to have the agility to respond like SK or Germany perhaps decentralization is the answer. 

You know full well that with respect to infectious disease, a household is as healthy as its sickest member.

I think your plan of the rest of the Unites States relying on good decisionmaking from Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Kansas, Texas, etc. is a BRILLIANT plan that is a sure-fire path to success.  Wait.  I think the exact fucking OPPOSITE of that.

A virus doesn't give a single fuck about local jurisdictional boundaries.  Not only should the response be coordinated on a federal level, to the extent possible, it should be coordinated on a global level.  And if this crisis is exposing serious shortcomings in WHO (and it sure has), then we need to fucking FIX THOSE, not decide "fuck it, I think we should put all of our faith in Governor Cletus P. Dumbfuck to protect us all."

 

* Edit -- I had a typo misspelling "Dumbfuck," which is actually kinda perfect.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Brisketexan

[Pescado_Rojo 19331]

15 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Her picture should be next to Cunt in the dictionary.  Nobody encapsulates that word more.

I never thought I'd find a woman more hateful than Ann Coulter, but here comes Laura Ingraham to prove me wrong. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Pescado_Rojo

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

She's definitely Queen Bee around Fox. Carved out a little niche for smug self-righteous white nationalist self.

[henrygandorf 29174]

13 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I like how she immediately made the leap to “omg does he think shaking hands should be illegal??”.

making ridiculous leaps in logic is baked in if you want to be a part of whatever is going on over there.