CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[TexArcher 37521]

Donald Trump Cliff Notes:

I will allow states to reopen on their own timelines.  I am all-powerful, but I will cede some of my power to the governors, as if they are in charge of their states or something.

If the death toll ends up higher than the projections, the governors will bear full responsibility for their choice to reopen when they did.

And any states that don't reopen immediately will be sued.

[GreenspointTexas 9568]

14 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

Well, I wouldn't say "wasted".  There have been a lot of "non federal" /"non state" things that have happened to lessen the effect going forward. 

There is in fact more testing in place right now than then.  Not enough, but we are learning from it.  There have been two studies in California that indicate 3-4% of the population may have already had the virus and the benefits that come with that.  The virus has picked off a lot of "low hanging fruit", so one would think that might bode well for the CFR going forward.  Medical community has strengthened its supply chain.  The populous is more agreeable to restriction than in the beginning.  We have ruled out some snake oil treatments.  We have made some progress on the vaccine side of things and what was once an 18 month job is now 16 months.   We are at some unknown % of infection which brings us that much closer to the herd immunity % required, in theory. We have some different attack models from other counties and do not have to reinvent the wheel should we consider doing those in the future.

All of that stuff is not really quantifiable at this point, but in sum it is significant.

But we are in a difficult place.  We cannot keep doing what we are doing and we cannot yet move forward either, at least not without great risk or loss of life.  We simply have not done the work that needs to be done at this point.

Id fucking kill for 3 more weeks of quarantine. It would save us thousands of lives moving forward

[henrygandorf 29179]

for those tracking the numbers, worldometer just went over 45k.  we're gonna be at 50k before the weekend and probably 60k by may 1st.

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

52 minutes ago, Wanker Bob said:

...unless they just stop testing for it all together. 

In some areas, there will be testing, but based on what we've seen so far, it will be a haphazard whack-a-mole testing. No matter how organized a state is, without a coherent comprehensive national strategy administered by the states equally, it will end up like (see below):

32 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

The number of deaths won’t matter.  At some point the argument from Trump will be that those people were going to die anyways from something so maybe it wasn’t even Corona Virus.  We can’t really be sure what killed those 100K people over the last 6 months.  His base will eat it up and Fox News and the rest of his mouthpieces will spout that story to the masses.  

As pointed out in the Republican Party thread, this will subsumed into his re-election strategy. The protests funded by orgs sympathetic to him (and reported on by all media without analysis and verification for the most part), trumpeting the "overhype" by Democratic politicians and scientific "experts" who wish to control the populace because they are "socialists," the backing of the courts to ensure that voting will be compromised by forbidding vote by mail.

No matter how much they cheat, how many they kill, doesn't matter.

[Biff Tannen 45499]

1 hour ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

 

Photo is actually from a NZ beach a couple of years ago.  Point still made though.

[kevwun 15653]

The vaccine that is being developed by Oxford University is going to start human trials on Thursday.  The Brits may actually be on to something.

[Hank Scorpio 17723]

 

[Upgrayedd 5806]

1 minute ago, Hank Scorpio said:

 

And Georgia is throwing the football.

[Hookah Horns 3082]

32 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

Great piece there. Also a good Atlantic article with some funny Kushner bashing. 

[Jiggy-Z 3432]

2 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

for those tracking the numbers, worldometer just went over 45k.  we're gonna be at 50k before the weekend and probably 60k by may 1st.

Since we hit our daily high of new cases on April 4 of 34,403 the numbers have been hovering around 30,000 with that wonky weekend thing happening.  So this death rate is going to continue for awhile.  As New York slows down, the lower portion of the dance card is also filling in.  This thing just seems to want to stick around.

[Wanker Bob 379]

4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Photo is actually from a NZ beach a couple of years ago.  Point still made though.

Damn, I might have to become a New Zealand illegal immigrant

[cactusflinthead 27594]

 

[DixonHur 11228]

2 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

I mean seriously, what the fuck is wrong with these people?

[Dahobbs 17449]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

is this based on previous epidemics that required worldwide stay-at-home orders, followed by haphazard willy-nilly openings of states?

i think 60k by august is the best possible scenario if everyone stayed at home until august.  and even then it's probably more like 75k.  but that's not what's happening.

No, its based on epidemics without haphazard government intervention. But, if either the virus quickly ran through the population or if we truly shut everything down, a sudden decline like that wouldn't be surprising.

I was just making the point that plenty of models and scenarios could show something exactly like that, and in fact the IHME model does show that. But, as I said, I don't think that is what we will see here.

[pacman 7330]

This as news comes out clearly linking covid spread to Wisconsin voting lines...

[Message Board User 12389]

14 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I mean seriously, what the fuck is wrong with these people?

It's about attempting to sow division and polarization in this country.

[skeeter 453]

47 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

With that mentality, we should just go extinct now.  After all, it is inevitable too.  May as well get it over with.

Heard an asteroid came close by this month ... missed, dammit.

[Message Board User 12389]

Just in time for Election Day?

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13547]

1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-reopening-economy-more-important-things-n1188911
 

 

jesus fucking christ

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2020/04/20/so-you-never-really-were-pro-life-were-you/

[Message Board User 12389]

 

[jimmyjazz 45560]

22 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I mean seriously, what the fuck is wrong with these people?

Well, you see, they have no empathy.  They don't care about anyone else.  They care about money and power.  They're essentially sociopaths.

[Tuco 5076]

25 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I mean seriously, what the fuck is wrong with these people?

They are completely controlled by the wealthy, who personally are able to isolate and could lose a lot of money in a recession.  

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20345]

 

[Message Board User 12389]

 

[GreenspointTexas 9568]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kentucky-record-spike-coronavirus-cases-lockdown-protests

[BrickHorn 18194]

1 hour ago, Message Board User said:

 

This shit misses the point.  Kristol bemoans the lunacy of the fringe, but assumes it’s representative of the majority of Republicans.  I get it. The GOP rank and file has adopted a lot of nutball shit recently.

But this seems different.  Polls show that the vast majority of even Republicans have sensible views on coronavirus and social distancing. This isn’t a typical partisan split.  For some reason, Trump and his surrogates are pushing an extreme agenda and trying to creat a new wedge issue.  But it’s not really taking.  At least not yet.

I think the better approach to these make-believe protests is to point out that both sides of the aisle largely disagree with them and view the protesters as dangerous morons.  This is a rare opportunity for both sides to unite on an issue opposite Trump. Many Republicans are finding their support of Trump cracking on this issue.  Welcome them into the fold.  If instead you find them guilty by association, that will only push them to side with Trump on something they otherwise might not.

[UDontKnow 10439]

Have officially crossed 45K deaths (Source: https://infection2020.com/). 60K deaths by month's end is feasible especially given these nutjob Trump supporter protests. 

[David Dennison 18661]

1 minute ago, UDontKnow said:

Have officially crossed 45K deaths (Source: https://infection2020.com/). 60K deaths by month's end is feasible especially given these nutjob Trump supporter protests. 

Just think where we'll be in September.

[A-Tex Devil 2445]

Some testing good, some testing not....

 

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

18 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

I dunno, but FUCK Ruth's Chris.  I am ashamed at myself for ever having dined there when I lived in Austin. Shit.

 

 

 

Pretty simple solution really. Don’t forgive the loans. Charge them a normal interest rate. 

When they bitch and sue that that wasn’t the deal. Request a jury trial.

They will cave. If they don’t?

That will be the shortest trial and jury deliberation in history. 

[Brisketexan 104628]

11 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Many Republicans are finding their support of Trump cracking on this issue.

With all due respect, I'll believe that when I see it.  Up to know, GOP support for Trump has been exactly that of a cult.  And cults stay in the building while it burns, they drink the poison kool aid, so forgive me if I don't expect them to see the light.

[Continental Op 3934]

"What does washing your hands mean?"  What a fucking moron.

[Hookah Horns 3082]

10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

With all due respect, I'll believe that when I see it.  Up to know, GOP support for Trump has been exactly that of a cult.  And cults stay in the building while it burns, they drink the poison kool aid, so forgive me if I don't expect them to see the light.

Yeah that post didn't ring true for me at all. 

Edited April 21, 2020 by Hookah Horns

[Ghost of LL 15492]

1 minute ago, Hookah Horns said:

Yeah that post didn't ring true for me at all. 

Well, I think some of the polling backs him up.  

[Bama Chick 28596]

Shockingly, Governor MeeMaw had a press conference today and she’s not even gonna consider opening things up until the state meets a bunch of metrics like 14 consecutive days of decreasing positive cases, a minimum threshold of daily tests, threshold for available ICU beds etc.

I guess she figures since she already won her primary that she has no chance of losing so she’s actually doing the right thing.

I cannot believe Georgia and Florida and Texas and effing Wisconsin are stealing our “Hold Mah Beer” trophy.

[hayden_horn 11360]

hahahahaha, holy shit. talking about closed golf courses and his resorts, he goes into an insane freestyle.

"my children run these business, and i love them and i want them to do well, but i look forward to comparing my numbers to my children's numbers, and i think i'll come out on top."

[JimmyJames 12271]

6 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Shockingly, Governor MeeMaw had a press conference today and she’s not even gonna consider opening things up until the state meets a bunch of metrics like 14 consecutive days of decreasing positive cases, a minimum threshold of daily tests, threshold for available ICU beds etc.

I guess she figures since she already won her primary that she has no chance of losing so she’s actually doing the right thing.

I cannot believe Georgia and Florida and Texas and effing Wisconsin are stealing our “Hold Mah Beer” trophy.

So far Texas and Abbott haven’t done anything crazy. Opening up some state parks so long as people practice social distancing and allowing retail to have curbside delivery is pretty sane in my opinion. I realize the sensationalist headlines imply otherwise. 

Edited April 21, 2020 by JimmyJames

[TexArcher 37521]

5 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

So far Texas and Abbott haven’t done anything crazy. Opening up some state parks so long as people practice social distancing and allowing retail to have curbside delivery is pretty sane in my opinion. I realize the sensationalist headlines imply otherwise. 

I mean, he brings some of it on himself when he names it "Strike Force to Reopen Texas."  That's downright Trumpian.

But I agree that the moves have been surprisingly level-headed so far.  And he's got to be careful since we're such an undertested state.  If he rushes and it blows up, it's all on him and his fucktarded LG.

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

I mean, he brings some of it on himself when he names it "Strike Force to Reopen Texas."  That's downright Trumpian.

But I agree that the moves have been surprisingly level-headed so far.  And he's got to be careful since we're such an undertested state.  If he rushes and it blows up, it's all on him and his fucktarded LG.

Good point. But he’s playing to the dipshit trumpkins crowd while making ok decisions so far. I can live with that, especially compared to the shitshow that’s going on in the White House. 

[4th&Five 41461]

He’s doing a great job though. 

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

11 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

He’s doing a great job though. 

 

just unacceptable. the president is 100% responsible for this.

[Horn Dogg 3808]

34 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

hahahahaha, holy shit. talking about closed golf courses and his resorts, he goes into an insane freestyle.

"my children run these business, and i love them and i want them to do well, but i look forward to comparing my numbers to my children's numbers, and i think i'll come out on top."

What a dickhead.  What the fuck is he even talking about when he says “his numbers?”

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

just unacceptable. the president is 100% responsible for this.

Yep. Unlike trump, the numbers don’t lie. The man has blood on his hands and he don’t care.

The bigger problem is as long as he’s the president it will continue to get worse. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

Not to mention ruining the economy. I forgot to mention that one. 

[BrickHorn 18194]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

With all due respect, I'll believe that when I see it.  Up to know, GOP support for Trump has been exactly that of a cult.  And cults stay in the building while it burns, they drink the poison kool aid, so forgive me if I don't expect them to see the light.

Look at the polls. Here’s one example: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-81-percent-say-keep-social-distancing-despite-damage-to-economy/ar-BB12FzvF Social distancing enjoys bipartisan support.  

Assuming the Others disagree with you on every issue is a good way to guarantee continued divisiveness.  Republicans support some stupid shit these days.  But a sizable portion of them agree with Democrats on social distancing.  That presents a rare opportunity to reach across the aisle.  It won’t last forever.  And assuming the worst based on past experience despite data to the contrary will ensure it won’t last long. 

 

[Gengs1 2583]

4 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Pussies

We deserve everything trump is doing with these pussies.

I mean go on tv and say what’s needed and keep on pushing that message. Let the ppl at home know this is our plan, you citizens need this and hammer that message.

no wonder they let the Rs do whatever they want 

[JimmyJames 12271]

As a public service announcement I would like to advocate that all my fellow surlyhorn posters and lurkers should start looking into taking Vitamin D supplements. Most everything else you can get from eating good food, but not that one.

It’s not quite as important right now since we are currently maintaining social distancing (for the most part), and won’t be as important in the summer months (because of the sun and sunshine) but once the fall hits in certain places especially up north, and especially in the winter months (everywhere), it could be the difference between life and death with this new virus where most won’t have immunity. 

Yes, something as simple as that could and likely does make a huge difference. And no,  I have no financial interest in Vitamin D supplement companies. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

I got your vitamin D right here!

[gmr548 16517]

Your mom gets plenty of vitamin D amirite

[Ghost of LL 15492]

So was there not a daily presidential briefing narcissistic shitshow today?  Or did I just miss it?