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I'd just like to point out that neither myself nor any of my fellow nurses, fellow advanced nurse practitioners, and other healthcare providers ever swore an oath that we would lay down our lives for

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Welp, it finally happened. I snapped in public today. I went into work for a bit this morning because I’m trying to figure out the safest way to host physicians we are recruiting given our CV-19 sit

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I don't really know what to say anymore tbh. What happened last night is hard to put into words for anyone who hasn't worked in a hospital healthcare setting. Just unreal. Everyone is getting fucked.

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28 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Look at the polls. Here’s one example: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-81-percent-say-keep-social-distancing-despite-damage-to-economy/ar-BB12FzvF Social distancing enjoys bipartisan support.  

Assuming the Others disagree with you on every issue is a good way to guarantee continued divisiveness.  Republicans support some stupid shit these days.  But a sizable portion of them agree with Democrats on social distancing.  That presents a rare opportunity to reach across the aisle.  It won’t last forever.  And assuming the worst based on past experience despite data to the contrary will ensure it won’t last long. 

 

That's from a week ago, before Trump started tweeting to "liberate" states. Will be interesting to see where these polls go from here. 

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11 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

This just in: the governor of Georgia continues to be a moron.

 

 

You don’t stop being one, same as one don’t stop being Short.

i always wonder, how do ppl keep on voting for these idiots 

 

what they are doing is saying, we are open, we can take your monthly premiums from you and you have to cancel in person 

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Questions on polling on Trump and what he's doing 

Rick Wilson's reply to the first one was 

"Old People Vote"

Rasmussen has him 18 points underwater. I don't know what the hell is happening over there, but that's a strongly atypical result from them. And those are LV. 

He can get up there and flap his jowls and it makes everyone crazy, but it ain't moving the needle up. Hogan of Md, I told y'all about him last week, he's completely out of fucks to give. He's taken to trolling. He doesn't care what Trump says. He's ain't skairt of Barr. He's going to get tests from SK and use them. 

Yeah, we're going to see DeSantis smell his finger and Dan Patrick endorse the blood sacrifice of his constituents. Both of which are not exactly going to be helpful in November. 

Trump can't get past the idea that if he shuts up his numbers improve. Because his ego won't let him. 

 

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9 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

every weekend people get excited about the numbers, then every tuesday we set a fucking record. 

It still hasn’t hit people here that the US is coronavirus central now in the world.  Like remember how bad we thought Italy got hit?  Yeah, we’re 10 times in worse shape than Italy.

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9 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

Were they stupid, gullible, lacking in judgment, or otherwise flawed?  Yeah.  But they’re willing to do the right thing NOW.  

who are these people willing to admit their mistake and do the right thing NOW?


answer: not Republicans.  

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At the end of the day, all of this was entirely foreseeable.

You elect a bankrupt corrupt narcissist to be the leader or your country, it shouldn’t be hard to foresee that your country would become just as bankrupt as every other endeavor the narcissistic president had done in the past.

America’s only saving grace is that it really didn’t elect this guy. It’s failure is that somehow he is still the president anyway. 

And going on. 

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So, with these governors deciding to reopen, I just to make sure I understand what the future holds...
1) shit goes well. Trump takes credit for knowing more than scientists. He urged the governors to open the economy back up and without his action, we would have gone into another Great Depression.
2) shit hits the fan. Trump blames the governors. The very first bullet point in his reopening plan is 14 days of declining illnesses and these governors didn’t wait for that.
Sound about right?

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1 hour ago, cactusflinthead said:

Questions on polling on Trump and what he's doing 

Rick Wilson's reply to the first one was 

"Old People Vote"

Rasmussen has him 18 points underwater. I don't know what the hell is happening over there, but that's a strongly atypical result from them. And those are LV. 

He can get up there and flap his jowls and it makes everyone crazy, but it ain't moving the needle up. Hogan of Md, I told y'all about him last week, he's completely out of fucks to give. He's taken to trolling. He doesn't care what Trump says. He's ain't skairt of Barr. He's going to get tests from SK and use them. 

Yeah, we're going to see DeSantis smell his finger and Dan Patrick endorse the blood sacrifice of his constituents. Both of which are not exactly going to be helpful in November. 

Trump can't get past the idea that if he shuts up his numbers improve. Because his ego won't let him. 

 

This is why people need to stop overreacting to these bullshit propaganda “protests.” They’re synthetic and don’t reflect public opinion. There is no groundswell in the GOP for reopening the economy. This is an issue where Trump is pushing for stupid shit that potential GOP voters oppose. He’s miscalculating. Dems need to take advantage of it.  Pretending the protesters reflect majority GOP opinion is counterproductive. 

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Questions on polling on Trump and what he's doing 
[/url] Rick Wilson's reply to the first one was 
"Old People Vote"
Rasmussen has him 18 points underwater. I don't know what the hell is happening over there, but that's a strongly atypical result from them. And those are LV. 
He can get up there and flap his jowls and it makes everyone crazy, but it ain't moving the needle up. Hogan of Md, I told y'all about him last week, he's completely out of fucks to give. He's taken to trolling. He doesn't care what Trump says. He's ain't skairt of Barr. He's going to get tests from SK and use them. 
Yeah, we're going to see DeSantis smell his finger and Dan Patrick endorse the blood sacrifice of his constituents. Both of which are not exactly going to be helpful in November. 
Trump can't get past the idea that if he shuts up his numbers improve. Because his ego won't let him. 
 

Are you suggesting that our seniors citizens are not out flocking to save the economy at their personal risk?
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21 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

3) Trump gets covid and dies.

There's no way that the writers are going to put it in. That's too pat an answer. They have several more months to milk this storyline. What if someone in the WH gets it and it goes sideways? There's a teaser that will hook us for a solid week. 

This timeline is not helping me to be less cynical. 

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This is why people need to stop overreacting to these bullshit propaganda “protests.” They’re synthetic and don’t reflect public opinion. There is no groundswell in the GOP for reopening the economy. This is an issue where Trump is pushing for stupid shit that potential GOP voters oppose. He’s miscalculating. Dems need to take advantage of it.  Pretending the protesters reflect majority GOP opinion is counterproductive. 

You’re caping really hard for the “sane silent Republican voters” today. Why?

 

For almost four years now, the kind of mythical creatures you’re lovingly defending have been nonexistent. They’ve fallen into line with Trump on hating Hispanic judges, thinking all Mexicans are rapists, seeing fine people in Charlottesville, needing a wall, needing a Muslim ban, thinking Kavanaugh is brilliant, being fine with sucking Russian cock, not believing in science, loving trade wars, loving national debt, not knowing what tariffs are, etc.

 

Excuse us if we find it hard to believe they’ve finally gotten their heads out of their asses.

 

Give it ten days and those poll numbers will flip to the normal 37-40% support of Trump’s idiotic positions.

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This is an issue where Trump is pushing for stupid shit that potential GOP voters oppose. He’s miscalculating. Dems need to take advantage of it.  Pretending the protesters reflect majority GOP opinion is counterproductive. 


I think this is a natural result of him firing everybody that doesn’t toe the line. He’s gotten rid of everyone that could have helped him lead right now so he’s relying on his cult
of personality. Unfortunately for him, he doesn’t even have competent “political strategist” advisors to help him with that.

Apparently his base doesn’t even support how he’s handling the most basic part of being president, but they still support him “in general.”

We’re all fucked.
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This is why people need to stop overreacting to these bullshit propaganda “protests.” They’re synthetic and don’t reflect public opinion. There is no groundswell in the GOP for reopening the economy. This is an issue where Trump is pushing for stupid shit that potential GOP voters oppose. He’s miscalculating. Dems need to take advantage of it.  Pretending the protesters reflect majority GOP opinion is counterproductive. 

I do agree with this - the fringe we see “protesting” is just that. I could spend some cash and rally 500 people to march at the capitol demanding that the govt allow the aliens to come anal probe us because anal proves cure COVID and cancer. There are nuts who will take any position.

That said, I have zero faith that the Trump supporters will ever leave him. Shoot a man in the face in the middle of 5th Avenue and all that.

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

These numbers presume access and scale of testing is equal across countries.  The testing shortages in United States is still a bigger problem than it is in several of those countries.  We are still flying blind for the most part. 

US still has major testing problem on per capita basis despite pumping sig absolute numbers of tests, yes.  If you would prefer an alternative metric to consider the claim that we are 10x worse off than Italy I am all ears. The death chart doesn't support that either.

There are multiple epicenters at various phases in their wave of infections, and a few emerging ones imo.  Northeastern US, Western Europe, Southern Europe. Probably still China, but who knows.  I think Russia gonna do a hold my beer on all of us though. Unless of course we go through with the dumbfuckery of staging re-entry too early.  All bets off in that case imo. 

 

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1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

You’re caping really hard for the “sane silent Republican voters” today. Why?

Because I’m a GOP troll, of course!!!1!111!1’

No. It’s because I fear this country is about to fall for a transparent propaganda play by the administration that will strengthen Trumpism. The goal of that play is to further divide us. We’re divided enough as it is. 

And I don’t believe there are many sane silent Republican voters.  I do, however, know there are some who voted for Trump who regret that decision.  Some have given up on the GOP (like Brisket and other vocal anti-Trumpers here did only a short while before the 2016 election). Others remain hopeful (and in my view, naive) Republicans who have convinced themselves there’s some core of conservative principles to which the party will return after Trump. Either way, they’re the enemy of our enemy now.  It is to our benefit to accept them and not to drive them away merely because shunning idiots makes us feel superior.

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Hospitalizations due to covid would be a better metric than confirmed cases but without a good testing infrastructure or adequate hospital space, that number is hard to reliably produce.

Hospitalization is a pretty poor measure for international comparisons. Too many factors to influence.  I think deaths are probably the best we have at this time, but also vary from nation to nation. Death coding does not require a laboratory confirmation in the US and some other countries, only a clinical presentation consistent with COVID is necessary to code it as presumed or probable COVID on the death certificate. So looking at death should be able to reduce some of the bias related to testing capacity. 

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First American death was not on February 29 in Washington state.




Now why it took so long to identify these cases?

“These three individuals died at home during a time when very limited testing was available only through the [u.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention]. Testing criteria set by the CDC at the time restricted testing to only individuals with a known travel history and who sought medical care for specific symptoms,” the county said in a statement. “As the Medical Examiner-Coroner continues to carefully investigate deaths throughout the county, we anticipate additional deaths from COVID-19 will be identified.”


Curious if other medical examiners are going back to re-evaluate deaths previously classified as flu or other respiratory issues.
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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

That said, I have zero faith that the Trump supporters will ever leave him

“Trump supporters” is a spectrum.  Some are less enthusiastic than others and their support for Trump is not strong enough to survive a suicide pact. Even Jim Jones had his defectors.  And we just don’t need that many to dump him or stay home in November in order to evict him from the White House.

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6 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

So far Texas and Abbott haven’t done anything crazy. Opening up some state parks so long as people practice social distancing and allowing retail to have curbside delivery is pretty sane in my opinion. I realize the sensationalist headlines imply otherwise. 

yeah, Abbot's approach so far has been pretty sane. That is exactly why our friends at Texags are in full revolt saying that he is dead to them.

 

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3108116   

^^ Why is Colorado and Georgia reopening before Texas?

 

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6 hours ago, TexArcher said:

I mean, he brings some of it on himself when he names it "Strike Force to Reopen Texas."  That's downright Trumpian.

But I agree that the moves have been surprisingly level-headed so far.  And he's got to be careful since we're such an undertested state.  If he rushes and it blows up, it's all on him and his fucktarded LG.

Not to menton Texas has quite a few major cities (ie: potential hot spots) compared to other states.

4 - Houston

6 - San Antonio

9 - Dallas

11 - Austin

13 - Fort Worth

22- El Paso

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16 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Because I’m a GOP troll, of course!!!1!111!1’

Nobody is saying that. You're being unfair.

You say you know of reformed Trump voters. Introduce them to us. Let's hear them say they're going to vote for Joe Biden. Let's hear them try to talk sense to their fellow Trump voters. If these people exist who have seen the light then they should be the biggest activists against the Trump cult. 

Like I said before, all I've seen is secondhand reports of people I don't know from people I don't know who as far as I know are going to come up with an excuse to vote for Trump again in Novenber because "socialism!'" or some such. 

How is it that there's not one single reformed Trump voter on Surly or any other message board I frequent?

I hope you're right. I can only take your word for it, fellow anonymous internet poster, for what that's worth. 

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32 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

“Trump supporters” is a spectrum.  Some are less enthusiastic than others and their support for Trump is not strong enough to survive a suicide pact. Even Jim Jones had his defectors.  And we just don’t need that many to dump him or stay home in November in order to evict him from the White House.

I think what you're arguing is that maybe a few cultists will try to escape Jonestown Trumptown.

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12 minutes ago, Gengs1 said:

The same voters who “regret the decision” will vote for him again. Just wait till the socialism, guns, AOC and green deal get brought up by Fox News. They will be running to vote for him again.

 

it all hinges on the 2nd wave. if it's controllable, then fox goes full bore on socialism / aoc / the squad / new green deal / hunter biden / guns

if the 2nd wave blows up,  then fox goes full bore on china / dem controlled big cities / trump's perfect handling of the whole situation / trump acted quickly 

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1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

it all hinges on the 2nd wave. if it's controllable, then fox goes full bore on socialism / aoc / the squad / new green deal / hunter biden / guns

if the 2nd wave blows up,  then fox goes full bore on china / dem controlled big cities / trump's perfect handling of the whole situation / trump acted quickly 

They will go both fronts and tie them to China and wanting us to be like China.

the Trumptards will eat it up and go full R

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