CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[cactusflinthead 27,628]

23 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

 

These are the same Republicans who lobby against all forms of gambling, marijuana legalization, and gay marriage, right?  

Correcto!

[jimmyjazz 47,348]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Coming back to this, there is something else going on with Singapore's death rates.  Their case rates per capita exceed ours.  Either an issue related to attribution or something else entirely.

Damn, but that is a case study in too much information on one plot.

[Anastasis 23,718]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

Damn, but that is a case study in too much information on one plot.

It would be more digestible broken down by region, as he does with he US state plots. 

[Anastasis 23,718]

BTW Middle East not looking so good. 

[jimmyjazz 47,348]

Just now, Anastasis said:

It would be more digestible broken down by region, as he does with he US state plots. 

It definitely took me a few to find the curves you were referencing.  I'll have to stew on that one for a while.

[jimmyjazz 47,348]

Quick thought:  highlighting doubling time (~ inverse of slope) makes sense, but they need to strip out about 90% of the countries.

Re: Singapore:  was their doubling rate dramatically longer in the recent past or are they just late to the party?

Edited May 22, 2020 by jimmyjazz
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[Anastasis 23,718]

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Re: Singapore:  was their doubling rate dramatically longer in the recent past or are they just late to the party?

Looks to me that they have had a pretty aggressive growth rate that is just now flattening.  Which is why their mortality data should be viewed as highly suspect, unless the lag between case identification and mortality just hasn't caught up to them yet. 

[ChuckNorrisActionJeans 2,692]

6 hours ago, burntorangebongos said:

So it IS real. This snake in the grass was trying to divert funds.  And now people are telling her to go fuck herself. 

 

I believe the dep't officially gave a bullshit response of "we shouldn't assume that non-public students don't need help too." Um you're literally the department of public education...that's why you exist as a government agency....for kids who need a public education..godDAMN

[triplehorn 2,664]

There could be any number of explanations, but the simple one is that there's still an awful lot of potential burn time:

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by triplehorn

[NameAlreadyInUse 5,178]

On 5/14/2020 at 7:03 PM, Bama Chick said:

Y’all watch out for flying pigs.

 

Hmm, I’m some schmuck watching this from the sidelines on my cable teevee with some back up from the intertubes and I have a pretty fucking good idea exactly what went wrong and why. If this asshole, whose job it is to deal with this shot,  truly hasn’t seen enough to make a judgement, he should be declared incompetent and removed from office. Jesus Christ turning politics into a team sport was the worst fucking idea ever. 

[fattyflattie 4,640]

9 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Lots of conflicted Gumps out there today.

 

Hold on. You’re of the war eagle variety?

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20,953]

Michigan attorney general goes OFF on Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/21/politics/michigan-attorney-general-trump-ford-plant-cnntv/index.html

 

Trump said he didn't want to give the media "the pleasure" of seeing him wear a mask.

Incredible.  All the top Ford excecutives were wearing one. 

Edited May 22, 2020 by Horn Under a Bad Sign

[Longhorn_Fan68 34,108]

#winning

 

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Hold on. You’re of the war eagle variety?

Ew, no.

But I’m also not blind to the Gumps in my university’s fan base.

[tx 3 putt 78,789]

50 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

#winning

 

 

badge of honor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hiphopopotamos 21,192]

 

[Message Board User 12,409]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

Is that bad? It sounds bad. 

[cactusflinthead 27,628]

26 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

 

Yep. 

 

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Is that bad? It sounds bad. 

Not if Trump is actually taking it.

[Message Board User 12,409]

 

[Born to Run 6,601]

Complaining about people buying luxury cars and internet while getting in line for the food pantry.   Not spending their money in the “right way”

 

Just say the quiet part out loud.  We know you want to. 

This.

I'm sure that dude is fine with someone in an F 150 getting assistance because "work truck" nevermind even old trucks are expensive. You can buy a pretty nice looking Mercedes for 4k.

Also a lot of poors drive Uber as a second gig and that requires a decent newer vehicle.

 

Just perpetuating the myth of welfare queens. A handful of lower middle class people abuse the system so let's throw it all out. Meanwhile we have daily examples of wealthy corporations grifting million's.

 

[kevwun 16,450]

Triplehorn wants to see the latest study from a remote village in Kazakhstan that consisted of a group of 8 patients before he writes HCQ off.

Edited May 22, 2020 by kevwun

[Bama Chick 28,596]

The Trump Cocktail performed the worst.

For those given hydroxychloroquine, there was a 34 percent increase in risk of mortality and a 137 percent increased risk of a serious heart arrhythmias. For those receiving hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic — the cocktail endorsed by Trump — there was a 45 percent increased risk of death and a 411 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias.

[Continental Op 3,934]

Today in Totally Not Political COVID talk: Let's argue about why positing a tweet containing nothing but US death totals is inherently political and posting a tweet from Laura Ingraham is not.

[Hiphopopotamos 21,192]

Just now, Continental Op said:

Today in Totally Not Political COVID talk: Let's argue about why positing a tweet containing nothing but US death totals is inherently political and posting a tweet from Laura Ingraham is not.

DT is Surly's Texags.

[Bama Chick 28,596]

WELL. This I like.

[BrickHorn 18,451]

6 minutes ago, Continental Op said:

Today in Totally Not Political COVID talk: Let's argue about why positing a tweet containing nothing but US death totals is inherently political and posting a tweet from Laura Ingraham is not.

That thread is a bunch of Karens.

[Gap03 3,396]

10 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

The Trump Cocktail performed the worst.
 

Of course it did.  But just wait - the Trump supporters will be crying that you have to take it earlier and with the zinc!

[Anastasis 23,718]

1 hour ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

 

But what about the ZINC!!1!  It's an ionophore, what are these idiots doing?

 

BTW, here is the full text.

https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S0140673620311806.pdf

[Anastasis 23,718]

27 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Triplehorn wants to see the latest study from a remote village in Kazakhstan that consisted of a group of 8 patients before he writes HCQ off.

But did you know that in the punjabi region of southeast Asia they are giving all the police men HCQ?  They must know something we don't.  Fuck your analysis with 90k subjects. 30 days!

[Anastasis 23,718]

15 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

Of course it did.  But just wait - the Trump supporters will be crying that you have to take it earlier and with the zinc!

Wait until Peak Prosperity gets a hold of it and runs up a youtube video that the wingnuts can post here. 

[Aqua Buddha 14,810]

13 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

Large swaths of this country are like one giant Spirit Airlines flight.

[triplehorn 2,664]

1 hour ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

 

“The new analysis — by Mandeep Mehra, a Harvard Medical School professor and physician at Brigham and Women’s Hospital, and colleagues at other institutions — included patients with a positive laboratory test for covid-19 who were hospitalized between Dec. 20, 2019, and April 14, 2020, at 671 medical centers worldwide. The mean age was 54 years, and 53 percent were men. Those who were on mechanical ventilators or who received remdesivir, an antiviral drug made by Gilead Sciences that has shown promise in decreasing recovery times, were excluded.”

——> goddammit. hospitalized patients AGAIN. 

These are patients who largely have advanced illness by which point the window of benefits for quinine derivatives has passed.  So this study just reinforces what we already knew.

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by triplehorn

[Grandioso 2,592]

https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1263818537132531714

 

[Gap03 3,396]

31 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Large swaths of this country are like one giant Spirit Airlines flight.

So fucking true ...

 

Edited May 22, 2020 by Gap03
Didn't mean to quote the plagiarizing Twitterbro

[tx 3 putt 78,789]

if someone coughed on me, they're going down to the ground. male or female

[Hiphopopotamos 21,192]

1 hour ago, Gap03 said:

Of course it did.  But just wait - the Trump supporters will be crying that you have to take it earlier and with the zinc!

Yep...

35 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

“The new analysis — by Mandeep Mehra, a Harvard Medical School professor and physician at Brigham and Women’s Hospital, and colleagues at other institutions — included patients with a positive laboratory test for covid-19 who were hospitalized between Dec. 20, 2019, and April 14, 2020, at 671 medical centers worldwide. The mean age was 54 years, and 53 percent were men. Those who were on mechanical ventilators or who received remdesivir, an antiviral drug made by Gilead Sciences that has shown promise in decreasing recovery times, were excluded.”

——> goddammit. hospitalized patients AGAIN. 

These are patients who largely have advanced illness by which point the window of benefits for quinine derivatives has passed.  So this study just reinforces what we already knew.

 

 

[triplehorn 2,664]

3 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Yep...

 

 

This was a full two months ago, you know, back when the US had 400 deaths total:

Dr. Pier Luigi Bartoletti, Deputy National Secretary of the Italian Federation of General Practitioners

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The drug “is already giving good results,” Bartoletti says while Malaysia reveals they have been using it since the very beginning. Bartoletti further adds that the drug:

“Must be used with all the necessary precautions, it must be evaluated patient by patient. It can have side effects. But those that take it are responding really well. 

We have just understood that the virus has an evolution in two phases and that it is during the second phase, after a few days (about a week), that the situation can suddenly, in 24 or 48 hours, worsen and leads to respiratory failure requiring intensive care.

The results that we are starting to accumulate suggest that hydroxychloroquine administered early, gives the possibility of avoiding this evolution in a majority of patients and is also helping us to prevent hospitals from filling up.”

 

[Anastasis 23,718]

HCQSTAHP. 

[gmr548 16,704]

This is true.  And it's always been true.  I would hope that one of the silver linings to come out of this shitstorm would be that people might learn to live within their means and actually have an emergency reserve.  But if 2008 didn't do it, this won't, either.

This is mathematically impossible for nearly half the country and quite the tightrope for many more. I'm not sure this site, which skews whiter, more educated, and wealthier than America as a whole, really understands how different life in the top 20 percent or so (where most of us reside) is even from life at the midpoint, let alone below that.

Not a personal thing with you - I'm not attacking you for being rich or whatever. Just noting that it isn't that simple.

[wildcat09 29,601]

2 hours ago, Born to Run said:

This.

I'm sure that dude is fine with someone in an F 150 getting assistance because "work truck" nevermind even old trucks are expensive. You can buy a pretty nice looking Mercedes for 4k.

Also a lot of poors drive Uber as a second gig and that requires a decent newer vehicle.

 

Just perpetuating the myth of welfare queens. A handful of lower middle class people abuse the system so let's throw it all out. Meanwhile we have daily examples of wealthy corporations grifting million's.

 

The Fed had to make $4 trillion available to banks and major businesses basically the moment shit hit the fan, and that's ignoring the congressional bailout, but yeah let's focus on poor working class people not having a shitload of money saved up for a rainy day.

[TwiceHorn 32,113]

13 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

Complaining about people buying luxury cars and internet while getting in line for the food pantry.   Not spending their money in the “right way”

 

Just say the quiet part out loud.  We know you want to. 

That problem is in no way limited to those you imply.  And it extends further up the income ladder than the underclass, which is well known to be majority white.

People overspend and don't save.  It's a problem.  It becomes a serious problem when something like this pandemic hits.  They won't possess enough economic resilience to weather this.

WhatTheBuck is kind of a dick about religion, but I don't think he's actively racist (meaning we're all a little racist at some level if you're honest about it).

Maybe if he'd said "sell the lifted truck, the jet skis and the boat," we could dispense with your criticism, which is unwarranted, imo.

Edited May 22, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[burntorangebongos 10,826]

12 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Coming back to this, there is something else going on with Singapore's death rates.  Their case rates per capita exceed ours.  Either an issue related to attribution or something else entirely.

These are cases right? So in just trying to spitball an answer, I would think it is because they test a lot more than we do and we actually have way more cases than is reflected here. And we also have a higher percentage death rate because of underlying conditions due to unhealthy lifestyles. 

[wildcat09 29,601]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

That problem is in no way limited to those you imply.  And it extends further up the income ladder than the underclass, which is well known to be majority white.

People overspend and don't save.  It's a problem.  It becomes a serious problem when something like this pandemic hits.  They won't possess enough economic resilience to weather this.

WhatTheBuck is kind of a dick about religion, but I don't think he's actively racist (meaning we're all a little racist at some level if you're honest about it).

Our entire social and economic system was constructed to disincentive saving and encourage spending, arguably even to the point of coercion for some people. Not saying you're doing this, but it's obviously bad for a number of different reasons to try to blame individuals for systemic problems.

[burntorangebongos 10,826]

Wasn't there a study that showed that Americans don't have but an average of about $400 in our savings? The government shutdown hurt a lot of families and showed that even though they had a steady government job, they were unable to deal with a disruption of their pay for the 2 months they were furloughed. I recall some were getting into their 401ks and some were selling stuff off. We are in deep trouble with this situation for sure. 

[TwiceHorn 32,113]

5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Our entire social and economic system was constructed to disincentive saving and encourage spending, arguably even to the point of coercion for some people. Not saying you're doing this, but it's obviously bad for a number of different reasons to try to blame individuals for systemic problems.

Fair point, but I do think some blameworthiness extends to those who aren't coerced into spending like a drunken sailor.  Especially to those boomers who, for example, despite being given every advantage by their own parents, failed to provide most or any decent part of a college education to their own children.

Edited May 22, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[hayden_horn 11,403]

6 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Our entire social and economic system was constructed to disincentive saving and encourage spending, arguably even to the point of coercion for some people. Not saying you're doing this, but it's obviously bad for a number of different reasons to try to blame individuals for systemic problems.

 

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Fair point, but I do think some blameworthiness extends to those who aren't coerced into spending like a drunken sailor.

the problem is multifaceted. why save when interest rates are so low? on the other hand, i can get a car loan at 4%, so why not buy that car?  add in wage stagnation, and you have a situation where people will live paycheck to paycheck.

[jimmyjazz 47,348]

1 hour ago, triplehorn said:

These are patients who largely have advanced illness by which point the window of benefits for quinine derivatives has passed.  So this study just reinforces what we already knew.

 

You're serious.  You're actually serious.

Dude.

[triplehorn 2,664]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

You're serious.  You're actually serious.

Dude.

What are you talking about?  Please, say more.  I'm persuadable.