CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[gyroprotagonist 2592]

36 minutes ago, Xian said:

This. 
everyone at work with a proper education is now vaccinated.  Both liberals and conservatives.  
 

NONE of my uneducated employees are willing to get the shot. This includes both whites and minorities. They all believe its going to cause liver and kidney failure in 10 years. 
 

 

reminds me of where i used to work.  it was in the microchip assembly sector and we used a couple of xray machines.  completely enclosed (lead lined) units and nothing like the dentist and doc office ones.  I lost a bet and was the prestigious Radiation Safety Officer and had to explain any risks and procedures on what to do the machines were malfunctioning.  I tired various factoids (rad dose from a 3hr flight is way more than using machine, inverse square law,etc...) and half the people that worked in the same room as the units said the machine did something to their blood when they were near it.  Showing them the rad meter reading from the break room vs 10cm from the active machine (the same reading) made no difference.

Dunno what it would take.  either money, right to work, right to enter certain places.    

[BrickHorn 18216]

20 hours ago, Okie State said:

I'm surrounded by Republicans where I work and all of them had the vaccine before I did. The only people I personally know who haven't got it are my conspiracy theory obsessed older brother and my youngest brother who listens to everything my conspiracy theory obsessed older brother says.

I had a bewildering conversation with a friend the other day. She’s a Democrat married to a Trumper. Her husband is fully vaxxed. She’s on the fence and doesn’t know if she’ll get the shot. Exception that proves the rule, maybe?

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

There you go:

 

https://www.wsaz.com/2021/04/26/west-virginia-governor-offers-100-savings-bond-for-young-people-to-get-covid-19-vaccine/the 

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

For those who don't want to click:

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CHARLESTON, W.Va. (WSAZ) - West Virginia Governor Justice is announcing a way to encourage those ages 16 to 35 to get vaccinated from the coronavirus.

He discussed it during a press conference Monday afternoon.

“We’re going to give every single one of these people, the people that already stepped up, our young people that have already stepped up and been vaccinated, and every single one of our young people, we’re going to give a $100 savings bond to every single one that steps up and takes their vaccines,” said Governor Justice.

The governor also said this is a way to motivate them to get vaccinated and the state to get over the hump.

The payments will be retroactive. According to the Governor’s office no specific plans about payments are available at this time. As soon as they are we will post them here.

Governor Justice says this will be funded using CARES dollars.

 

 

Better details here.

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CHARLESTON, W.Va. (WV News) — The state will give a $100 savings bond to each West Virginian from age 16-35 who takes a COVID-19 vaccine. West Virginia will use federal COVID-19 stimulus funding to finance the program.

Gov. Jim Justice announced the savings bond plan Monday in a bid to get more COVID-19 vaccine shots in arms in West Virginia. He said the plan had been "vetted [in] every way in the world." He added that he had made the decision "if we want to really move this needle, and we want to move it right now."

"I'm telling you, West Virginia, it's time to shut this thing down" unless state residents want COVID-19 to "linger forever."

The governor later in his news conference said he's hopeful the state will be able to give all those 16-35 savings bonds, and added that he believes a savings bond would be something meaningful to look at it in the future, rather than "just ... a dash in the pan and a couple of trips to Wendy's with your friends."

Justice estimates the initiative could cost $27.5 million if it's wildly successful. If there aren't enough savings bonds available, the state will hand out cash, Justice said.

"But if we did that ... it would be the best money ever spent, like you can't imagine," Justice said.

Justice also went over the many ideas submitted and kicked around to boost the numbers of those being vaccinated.

The governor indicated state officials have received "lots and lots of good ideas here, but I am telling you, we need to kickstart this, and kickstart this in a big way."

He added, "maybe just a real dose of patriotism from the standpoint of a savings bond" would be meaningful to the young. "Our young people should be really, really proud if they help us step up," Justice said.

He said without vaccine buy-in from many more people, he would be "reading names" of the pandemic dead every other day, "and also we're going to be faced with wearing these masks that nobody likes for a long, long, long time."

But if young people "step up in masses, we'll be done, and we'll be done soon" with COVID-19.

Dr. Clay Marsh, who leads the state's medical response to COVID-19, said the state is "at a critical point in this pandemic response," with people choosing to be vaccinated, plus wearing masks and staying physically distanced, pivotal at this inflection point in Mountain State history. Marsh added that the vaccines are "incredibly effective" and "incredibly safe." All of his close loved ones have been vaccinated, Marsh added.

James Hoyer, who leads the West Virginia vaccine effort, said the state is "doing exceptionally well" with residents getting their second vaccine. He said it's key to get the second vaccine to have full immunity. 

Justice added that vaccines would be offered at the state basketball tournament in Charleston, via the Kanawha-Charleston Health Department, and likely would be added through mobile units at fairs, festivals and other events.

A total of 700,260 residents, about 52%, now have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose, while 558,785 are fully vaccinated. The state has about 1.792 million people in all, but only those who are 16 and older — about 1.47 million — are eligible to be vaccinated.

Justice fears that about 40%, or 588,000, of the 1.47 million are hesitant or just don't want to be vaccinated. He indicated the approximately 380,000 residents from age 16-35 are especially hesitant. Justice is hopeful the savings bond initiative with the young will result in an 80% participation rate, adding 275,000 to the state's total, and putting the overall vaccination rate in West Virginia at around 71%.

The state's variant numbers, according to Marsh: 471 of the United Kingdom variant, and it's spreading in the 10-35 age group' 215 cases of the Brazilian variant; and two cases of the South African variant. Marsh noted that as variants continue to mutate, they will come in "more and more and more deadly" forms.

Justice began by noting the loss of eight more individuals to COVID-19 since Friday's briefing.

"Considering where we've been, it's a good number, and we want to continue to be at this level, or less and less, and finally we'll get to zero," the governor said.

The state now has 2,821 deaths since the beginning of the pandemic in West Virginia in March 2020. However, that number will fall by 162 Tuesday, according to Dr. Ayne Amjad, state health officer. A review of deaths listed as COVID-19-related ended up not being attributable to the virus, Amjad said. She added that the state is continuing to work toward rolling out an electronic death reporting system.

 

 

[Beau Vine 54208]

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A private school in the fashionable Design District of Miami sent its faculty and staff a letter last week about getting vaccinated against Covid-19. But unlike institutions that have encouraged and even facilitated vaccination for teachers, the school, Centner Academy, did the opposite: One of its co-founders, Leila Centner, informed employees “with a very heavy heart” that if they chose to get a shot, they would have to stay away from students.

In an example of how misinformation threatens the nation’s effort to vaccinate enough Americans to get the coronavirus under control, Ms. Centner, who has frequently shared anti-vaccine posts on Facebook, claimed in the letter that “reports have surfaced recently of non-vaccinated people being negatively impacted by interacting with people who have been vaccinated.”

“Even among our own population, we have at least three women with menstrual cycles impacted after having spent time with a vaccinated person,” she wrote, repeating a false claim that vaccinated people can somehow pass the vaccine to others and thereby affect their reproductive systems. (They can do neither.)

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In the letter, Ms. Centner gave employees three options:

Inform the school if they had already been vaccinated, so they could be kept physically distanced from students;

Let the school know if they get the vaccine before the end of the school year, “as we cannot allow recently vaccinated people to be near our students until more information is known”;

Wait until the school year is over to get vaccinated.

Teachers who get the vaccine over the summer will not be allowed to return, the letter said, until clinical trials on the vaccine are completed, and then only “if a position is still available at that time” — effectively making teachers’ employment contingent on avoiding the vaccine.

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Leila Centner at an event in Miami in 2019.
Leila Centner at an event in Miami in 2019.
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Ms. Centner required the faculty and staff to fill out a “confidential” form revealing whether they had received a vaccine — and if so, which one and how many doses — or planned to get vaccinated. The form requires employees to “acknowledge the School will take legal measures needed to protect the students if it is determined that I have not answered these questions accurately.”

Ms. Centner directed questions about the matter to her publicist, who said in a statement that the school’s top priority throughout the pandemic has been to keep students safe. The statement repeated false claims that vaccinated people “may be transmitting something from their bodies” leading to adverse reproductive issues among women.

“We are not 100 percent sure the Covid injections are safe and there are too many unknown variables for us to feel comfortable at this current time,” the statement said.

The Food and Drug Administration, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the World Health Organization and many other authorities have concluded that the coronavirus vaccines now in emergency use in the United States are safe and effective.

 

The Centner Academy opened in 2019 for students in prekindergarten through eighth grade, promoting itself as a “happiness school” focused on children’s mindfulness and emotional intelligence. The school prominently advertises on its website support for “medical freedom from mandated vaccines.”

Ms. Centner founded the school with her husband, David Centner, a technology and electronic highway tolling entrepreneur. Each has donated heavily to the Republican Party and the Trump re-election campaign, while giving much smaller sums to local Democrats.

In February, the Centners welcomed a special guest to speak to students: Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the prominent antivaccine activist. (Mr. Kennedy was suspended from Instagram a few days later for promoting Covid-19 vaccine misinformation.) This month, the school hosted a Zoom talk with Dr. Lawrence Palevsky, a New York pediatrician frequently cited by anti-vaccination activists.

 

[Anastasis 23463]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-has-created-a-perfect-storm-for-fringe-science/

 

COVID Has Created a Perfect Storm for Fringe Science

It’s always been with us, but in a time of pandemic, its practitioners have an amplified capacity to unleash serious harm

The explosion of disinformation about COVID has been a defining aspect of the pandemic. Alongside the virus itself, we’ve been shadowed by what the World Health Organization has called an infodemic. This is widely known, of course, but much less discussed is the role of ostensible “experts” in perpetuating dangerous fictions. Since the dawn of the crisis, a disconcerting number of eminently qualified scientists and physicians have propagated falsehoods across social media, elevating themselves to the status of gurus in order to lend a veneer of seeming scientific legitimacy to empty, dangerous claims.

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Ineffective treatments ranging from hydrochloroquine to ivermectin to vitamin D and alternative medicine have thrived too, endorsed by a rouge’s gallery of doctors and researchers. Even now, as the life-saving impact of vaccination begins to be felt across the globe, a new cohort of impressively credentialed contrarians has emerged, spreading mistruths about immunization. The grandiosely named “World Doctors Alliance” is a potent example, boasting amongst its membership physician Vernon Coleman (an anti-vaccine activist and author of a book insisting COVID is a hoax) and Dolores Cahill, the once-respected Irish scientist whose conspiratorial proclamations have become a staple of lockdown protests and COVID denialist disinformation across Europe.

In slickly produced videos shared relentlessly online, these fringe scientists are lauded as experts unafraid to speak truth to power. But it is crucial to note that these individuals, for all their formal credentials, extol a narrative completely at odds with reality, readily refuted by public health bodies the world over. These pseudoscientific, conspiratorial claims are archetypal arguments from authority, where a perceived expert’s support is used to justify positions unsupported by data. Scientific claims do not derive their authority by virtue of coming from scientists, but from the weight of the evidence behind them. Pseudoscience, by contrast, tends to focus on ostensible gurus rather than consensus opinion. The only authority a scientist can ever truly invoke is a reflected one, dependent on accurately representing the evidence base. If they embrace fringe positions and jettison the principles of scientific skepticism, then their qualifications, education and prestige mean absolutely nothing.

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The rise of pseudoexperts is perhaps symptomatic of a change in how we access information. As we become curators of our own media, the traditional gatekeepers and fact-checkers once implicit in most reporting have been increasingly sidelined. This in turn has made us more polarized, and reduced our ability to differentiate fact from opinion. Motivated reasoning, our human bias towards cherry-picking only arguments that chime with that we wish were true, most certainly plays a role. The impositions of COVID are manifold; it is not surprising that fringe scientists are inevitably invoked as sources for those with strong feelings against lockdowns, masks and vaccination. Even if we are not ideologically predisposed to such positions, these claims undermine public understanding, blurring perceptions of scientific consensus, nudging us collectively towards fear and distrust.

The dark irony is that these fringe figures weaponize the societal trust afforded to science, unduly amplifying their capacity to unleash serious harm. 

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For all their qualifications, fringe scientists fail this basic tenet of science, as they are united in their willingness to embrace conspiracy theory when their claims are refuted. Lack of evidence for their position is airily dismissed as a cover-up by everyone from the WHO to the entire medical establishment. But this performative outrage is so much sound and fury to distract from the inescapable reality that their positions are completely contradicted by the overwhelming weight of scientific evidence. This is scientifically reprehensible, and staggeringly irresponsible, conduct. 

[NameAlreadyInUse 5111]

 

On 4/25/2021 at 4:53 PM, Bookman said:

We’re a month or two away from Covid being a disease that mainly affects Republicans. At that point may we call it the “Republican Virus”?

 If they are ok with me doing the same thing to the Republican disease that they did to the gay disease for over a decade, and just not mention it, and not provide any research $'s to solve for it so they just start dying off as a class of people, I might be ok with that.  The problem is #1 mutations, and #2 breakthrough cases.  If it weren't for those 2 things, I'd be 100% ok with them just spreading it amongst themselves at this point.  

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

On 4/25/2021 at 6:55 PM, Bookman said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/20/vaccine-hesitant-republicans/

If you are found selling fake vaccine cards, it should be a felony.  Hell, I would say if you buy one and use it, same fucking thing.  You are endangering people.  This is why I am all about the digital vaccine passport.  You want to get back to normal, be a fucking responsible human being.

[4th&Five 41516]

 

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

“COVID: India to allow Amarnath pilgrimage despite surge in cases”

Is a vaccine resistant strain just doomer fantasy?  The situation in India seems like it might test the idea.

 

[Beau Vine 54208]

 

[Anastasis 23463]

12 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

“COVID: India to allow Amarnath pilgrimage despite surge in cases”

Is a vaccine resistant strain just doomer fantasy?  The situation in India seems like it might test the idea.

 

Less hypothetical variant talk, more real world evidence talk, imo.

 

[Anastasis 23463]

[whisper]But yeah, India is a bad fucking set up[/whisper]

[Biff Tannen 45665]

14 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Even if we are not ideologically predisposed to such positions, these claims undermine public understanding, blurring perceptions of scientific consensus, nudging us collectively towards fear and distrust.

This is the horrifying end result. Even the most rational among us are not immune (no pun intended) to this amplification of distrust. 

[Anastasis 23463]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

This is the horrifying end result. Even the most rational among us are not immune (no pun intended) to this amplification of distrust. 

Agree.  It is more subtle than the stuff that is easily recognized by people with expertise when the data mature (tripleHCQ, not looking at you). It's a pervasive undermining on a broader scale. Social media at the core of what is ripping our social fabric apart. 

[Anastasis 23463]

 

 

The thread explains the details and why it matters...

[jimmyjazz 45889]

Who could have predicted problems with a vaccine developed in Russia?

[Goredho 17397]

Should have named it Chernobyl II.

[Guest Lobo]

7 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Who could have predicted problems with a vaccine developed in Russia?

"What, you think our country's vaccine is so innocent?"  

[hookemATL 11702]

[Insert Yakov Smirnoff joke here]

[Captainant 27637]

From reading that thread, it sounds like it really comes down to either: russia fucked up (likely), or the manufacturers fucked up (likely)

 

Or it could be both!

[Anastasis 23463]

In Russia, Vaccine Infects You!

[jimmyjazz 45889]

Not a remotely "political" post, but I was just on hold with my HEB pharmacy and they said all HEBs (Austin?  everywhere?) are taking walkups M-F 3PM-5PM for first doses.

Edited April 28, 2021 by jimmyjazz

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

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Oregon Gov. Kate Brown announced Tuesday that she is designating 15 counties as “extreme risk” for COVID-19 spread, and imposing strict limits on restaurants, businesses, places of worship, and social gatherings. The restrictions are an attempt to curb a steep rise in cases and preserve hospital capacity statewide.

The new risk level designations will take effect Friday and last through at least May 6.

Most large cities in the state — Portland, Gresham, Eugene, Salem, Bend and Medford — are in extreme risk counties and will face the new restrictions.

Counties affected include: Baker, Clackamas, Columbia, Crook, Deschutes, Grant, Jackson, Josephine, Klamath, Lane, Linn, Marion, Multnomah, Polk and Wasco.

The extreme risk designation triggers stringent limits on many public activities, including an outright ban on indoor dining at restaurants.

The designation is based on county case rates and test positivity rates that indicate widespread COVID-19 transmission, as well as a statewide indicator that hospital capacity may be under strain: more than 300 COVID-19 patients hospitalized. As of Tuesday, 328 people were hospitalized for COVID-19.

Brown said she understands the impact of a closure yet again on businesses, and urged Oregonians to do their part by getting vaccinated.

“My goal is to lift these restrictions as soon as it is safely possible, and keep Oregon on the path for lifting most health and safety requirements by the end of June so we can fully reopen our economy,” she said.

 

https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/27/oregon-covid-19-surge-restrictions-hospitalizations/

 

Not too happy with Brown these days.  She manipulated the categories randomly to open schools.  And, yeah, I say this as a vaccinated person, but when I first signed up to get notified to get the vaccine it wasn't easy and there was a long wait.  Now there are walk in appointments available everywhere.  Perhaps I'm wrong, but if folks are making the choice at this stage to not get vaccinated I'm not sure that means it is OK to hurt businesses and their employees.  For many places this is going to be their third shutdown.

Edited April 28, 2021 by MC Fresh Breath
too, to, two, 2

[Dnaguy 11920]

5 hours ago, hookemATL said:

[Insert Yakov Smirnoff joke here]

In Russia, vaccine infects you!

 

@Anastasis

Shit. Beat me to it.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Dnaguy

[4th&Five 41516]

 

[Sbbruin 21829]

1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Came to post.  Holy shit, even if in the dark recesses of your mind you thought it was remotely possible, a little voice should tell you to keep that thought to yourself.

[gmr548 16576]

3 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

He should be ashamed. What a dumb fucking question.

 

Of course it does.

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

 

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

22 hours ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/27/oregon-covid-19-surge-restrictions-hospitalizations/

 

Not too happy with Brown these days.  She manipulated the categories randomly to open schools.  And, yeah, I say this as a vaccinated person, but when I first signed up to get notified to get the vaccine it wasn't easy and there was a long wait.  Now there are walk in appointments available everywhere.  Perhaps I'm wrong, but if folks are making the choice at this stage to not get vaccinated I'm not sure that means it is OK to hurt businesses and their employees.  For many places this is going to be their third shutdown.

 

Goddammit.

https://www.bendbulletin.com/coronavirus/surge-of-covid-19-cases-forces-quarantine-of-700-bend-la-pine-students/article_036ba306-a848-11eb-b190-f7b037ff70bc.html

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Surge of COVID-19 cases forces quarantine of 700 Bend-La Pine students

Nordquist says district may need 'a Plan B'

About 5% of Bend-La Pine Schools students are under quarantine orders due to the current surge in COVID-19 cases in Deschutes County, Superintendent Lora Nordquist told the school board Tuesday night.

There have been 58 COVID-19 cases connected with local schools in the past 10 days, which has prompted the quarantine of about 700 students, Nordquist said.

And even though she doesn’t believe the vast majority of these COVID-19 cases are being spread within schools, Nordquist said the district may have to take action soon to prevent additional quarantines, and support those students stuck at home.

“If our case counts don’t start going down fairly soon, we might need to look at a Plan B,” Nordquist warned at Tuesday night’s meeting. “Not sure what that is, but we have a lot of kids at home right now, and that’s a concern.”

District leadership also warned that in-person graduation might not be possible in June if community spread of COVID-19 doesn’t slow.

“We are going to have a graduation ceremony, but it may not involve many people,” said Deputy Superintendent Katie Legace at the meeting.

However, a districtwide reversal to online school is unlikely.

At Tuesday’s meeting, Nordquist said in-person school closures would be a school-by-school decision. And on Wednesday, Julianne Repman — the district’s director of safety — confirmed that.

“I don’t think distance learning for everyone is on the table at all,” Repman said.

 

 

[Gatorubet 30185]

Gullible twit! The tracker is already in the syringe when the vaccine is drawn. Let’s them say “no” to tracker being in the vaccine

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

 

 

https://fortune.com/2021/04/28/covid-vaccine-tracker-update-us-state-by-state-pfizer-moderna-johnson-and-johnson-data-coronavirus-vaccines-april-2021/

[MajorMajor 109]

 
Oregon Gov. Kate Brown announced Tuesday that she is designating 15 counties as “extreme risk” for COVID-19 spread, and imposing strict limits on restaurants, businesses, places of worship, and social gatherings. The restrictions are an attempt to curb a steep rise in cases and preserve hospital capacity statewide.
The new risk level designations will take effect Friday and last through at least May 6.
Most large cities in the state — Portland, Gresham, Eugene, Salem, Bend and Medford — are in extreme risk counties and will face the new restrictions.
Counties affected include: Baker, Clackamas, Columbia, Crook, Deschutes, Grant, Jackson, Josephine, Klamath, Lane, Linn, Marion, Multnomah, Polk and Wasco.
The extreme risk designation triggers stringent limits on many public activities, including an outright ban on indoor dining at restaurants.
The designation is based on county case rates and test positivity rates that indicate widespread COVID-19 transmission, as well as a statewide indicator that hospital capacity may be under strain: more than 300 COVID-19 patients hospitalized. As of Tuesday, 328 people were hospitalized for COVID-19.
Brown said she understands the impact of a closure yet again on businesses, and urged Oregonians to do their part by getting vaccinated.
“My goal is to lift these restrictions as soon as it is safely possible, and keep Oregon on the path for lifting most health and safety requirements by the end of June so we can fully reopen our economy,” she said.
 

https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/27/oregon-covid-19-surge-restrictions-hospitalizations/
 
Not too happy with Brown these days.  She manipulated the categories randomly to open schools.  And, yeah, I say this as a vaccinated person, but when I first signed up to get notified to get the vaccine it wasn't easy and there was a long wait.  Now there are walk in appointments available everywhere.  Perhaps I'm wrong, but if folks are making the choice at this stage to not get vaccinated I'm not sure that means it is OK to hurt businesses and their employees.  For many places this is going to be their third shutdown.
So schools should be closed but bars open? Or what do you think she should do when cases double in 2 weeks?

[jimmyjazz 45889]

So proud of Texas.  Roughly #36 out of 50 states in vaccine penetration.  I'm beaming. 

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

Just now, MajorMajor said:

https://www.opb.org/article/2021/04/27/oregon-covid-19-surge-restrictions-hospitalizations/
 
Not too happy with Brown these days.  She manipulated the categories randomly to open schools.  And, yeah, I say this as a vaccinated person, but when I first signed up to get notified to get the vaccine it wasn't easy and there was a long wait.  Now there are walk in appointments available everywhere.  Perhaps I'm wrong, but if folks are making the choice at this stage to not get vaccinated I'm not sure that means it is OK to hurt businesses and their employees.  For many places this is going to be their third shutdown.
So schools should be closed but bars open? Or what do you think she should do when cases double in 2 weeks?

IMO she should never have reopened the schools.  The original metrics for doing so were never met, so she lowered them.  The case count in Deschutes County has exploded and only one major thing has changed....

 

[Brisketexan 105071]

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

So proud of Texas.  Roughly #36 out of 50 states in vaccine penetration.  I'm beaming. 

You should be.  When it comes to battles over who can be the most retrograde stupid, we're typically neck-and-neck with Mississippi these days.  This is a huge win.

[wildcat09 29346]

20 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

People need to stop responding to shit like this without including "you fucking moron" in their responses.

[Beau Vine 54208]

21 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

HE WAS DEBUNKING!!!

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Wagner said he asked the question of Chau to debunk the absurd claim that has spread on social media.

“At this meeting, speakers made wild charges about vaccine ‘passports,’ forced vaccinations, travel restrictions, tracking, and that there were microchips in the vaccines. From the dais, I lead Dr. Chau through those charges and to have him debunk them,” Wagner said in a statement to The News.

“I knew they are not true but wanted the public to hear that directly from Dr. Chau. I got exactly the response from Dr. Chau I expected, with the same laugh at the absurdity of the charges that they deserve,” he said.

“He and I are in regular communication about these public myths, and when they persist for months on end, we work together to dispel them,” Wagner said.

“I am in no way concerned about trackers in the vaccine, and Dr. Chau knows this, as he administered my vaccine last month. I continue to encourage everybody to get vaccinated if they can,” he said.

[NWBuck 8552]

3 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Gullible twit! The tracker is already in the syringe when the vaccine is drawn. Let’s them say “no” to tracker being in the vaccine

 

[4th&Five 41516]

 

[Biff Tannen 45665]

23 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

To quote the Buttercream Dream: THATS WHAT YOUR FUCKING CELL PHONE IS FOR!!!!

[jimmyjazz 45889]

1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Yeah, maybe a month ago they were saying the ratio of unknown to known infections was 4.6X, so at roughly 30M known cases, that implied 138M infections (~ 42%).

I think this is a big unknown in the herd immunity calculation.  Most definitely a lot of those people have also gotten vaccinated, but the overlap is nowhere near total.  We're closer than we "think".

[Anastasis 23463]

38 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Yeah, maybe a month ago they were saying the ratio of unknown to known infections was 4.6X, so at roughly 30M known cases, that implied 138M infections (~ 42%).

I think this is a big unknown in the herd immunity calculation.  Most definitely a lot of those people have also gotten vaccinated, but the overlap is nowhere near total.  We're closer than we "think".

Yep, we're at the end game. We could accelerate it if people would fucking line up and get their shots, but it's end game one way or the other. Maybe just more prolonged and more people get to FAFO than have to. 

[Biff Tannen 45665]

12 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Yep, we're at the end game. We could accelerate it if people would fucking line up and get their shots, but it's end game one way or the other. Maybe just more prolonged and more people get to FAFO than have to. 

This is what it feels like.  I think in June we will be maskless in most places.

[RomaVicta 29902]

19 hours ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

IMO she should never have reopened the schools.  The original metrics for doing so were never met, so she lowered them.  The case count in Deschutes County has exploded and only one major thing has changed....

 

We watched the president's speech and the answer by S. Carolina's Tim Scott. Senator Scott said schools should have been opened months and months ago. 

Of course, he also said that the Georgia voting laws were actually going to make voting easier.

His Momma prayed him to success. Godly man. I bet his soul was worth a lot when he sold it. Motherfucker.

It was party hackism all the way. Maybe this should be on the Death Cult thread.

[jimmyjazz 45889]

I applaud Senator Scott for pushing back on Joe Biden's executive order that closed all schools in the United States.

[Born to Run 6569]

I applaud Senator Scott for pushing back on Joe Biden's executive order that closed all schools in the United States.

Not me! My kid almost finished 8th grade before the Hidin Biden closures, that's gooder than I did, And he don't have to hear all that commie bullshit from the teachin lady.

[Brisketexan 105071]

17 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Yeah, maybe a month ago they were saying the ratio of unknown to known infections was 4.6X, so at roughly 30M known cases, that implied 138M infections (~ 42%).

I think this is a big unknown in the herd immunity calculation.  Most definitely a lot of those people have also gotten vaccinated, but the overlap is nowhere near total.  We're closer than we "think".

It raises an interesting question about population dynamics, and then the math.

Let's say the actual number of formerly infected people, thus with some level of immunity, is 33%.  If the population all behaves identically with respect to getting vaccines/not getting vaccines, then you would expect that exactly 1/3 of the people getting a shot already have immunity from prior infection.  So, only 2/3 of our vaccinated are giving us "newly" immune people.

In a population of 100 million, 33 million are immune from prior infection.  If 40% of adults get a vaccine, based on the above assumption, then around 26% of the population is "newly immune" (of that 40%, 1/3 -- about 14% -- was already immune).  So, you have 33% previously immune added to 26% newly immune, total of 59% immune.

BUT, the population doesn't behave randomly.  Of the 33% who have already been infected, is that group as a total more or less likely to be part of the 40% who have already gotten the vaccine?  A sound hypothesis is that people who are more likely to have not regarded COVID as a real risk (and thus more likely to have been infected) are also more likely to be vaccine hesitant.  So, the pool of "already infected" who are getting the vaccine is not 1/3 of the total number of vaccinated.  Maybe it's only 25%.  So, in my 100 million person breakdown above, we have 33 million already immune, and 30 million (75% of 40 million) newly immune -- we are now at 63% instead of 59%.

I have no idea what the real numbers are here, I just think it's an interesting question.

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